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Apr 27 2008, 03:14 PM |
I know you are very busy,
but when you can check my previous post out! All the best... Eddie |
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Apr 27 2008, 11:34 PM |
Sorry for delay Eddie,busy as you said
I understand you problem but that's sweet problem I would say. And it's mostly related to inversion/note orders of particular chord,extended one. You can also notice that many guitar players do not play every note in chord, only most important ones. This is also related to tuning system as you already know. So,my suggestion is next. Try to learn some tunes with extended chords,from tabs or by ear,doesn't matter. Them slowly exam those chords/shapes to realize why do they sound like that. And then you simply apply some of those rules into your own playing/composing. I'm encouraging you to record some examples of your thoughts tho and then we can discuss and analyze it . -------------------- Youtube
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Apr 28 2008, 01:05 PM |
As Muris says it's very common to see players drop some of the notes in an extended chord. Part of the thing with extended chords is to use those notes that emphasise the chord and its extension rather then play all the possible theoretical notes of the chord Eddie. This becomes an even bigger deal as most of us are limited to six strings AND have to come up with a comfortable fingering of an extended chord. If you play with other musicians just playing some of the notes becomes important, for instance if a bass player is covering the root note you can drop the root from the chord and play the 3rd, 5th and extension, or change the inversion. Sometimes both of you playing he root just ends up over emphasising it and it starts to sound too busy/congested - sometimes less is more as it sonically makes the listener fill in the gaps.
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Jun 6 2008, 05:04 PM |
Hi Muris, me again... I was studying some chord shapes and I bumped on a Cdim on the 4 top strings. Now, Cdim is built with the following notes: C, Eb, Gb, A. The distance between all of these notes is 3 semitones. But this means that C dim, Eb dim, Gb dim and A dim share the same notes! Hence when I play one of these chords I'm also playing an inversion of the other three! In theory the same should work for aug chords, but this time only three notes: (in C) C,E,G#. So Caug, Eaug, G# aug share the same notes! Is it so? Ciao Eddie Only one small mistake Eddie, Cdim7 has Bbb as 7th,not A. Of course it sounds just the same but if you write it down in notation you'll get Bbb cause 7th from C has to start with B,so Bbb is double flat 7th. And spot on,just like those Diminished 7th chords we have similar thing with Augmentative chords. Only difference is that we have 4 dim7 chords with same sounding notes and 3 aug chords with same sounding notes. Well done Eddie,good conclusion!! No worries about hijacking tho Oxac,you're doing just fine -------------------- Youtube
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Jun 6 2008, 06:52 PM |
I was not actually talking about scales,
harmonic minor or any locrian, I was talking ONLY about dim7 chords. In other words,C Eb Gb and Bbb is C dim7, C Eb Gb and A is A dim7 but in first inversion. Hope I didn't make huge confusion tho. -------------------- Youtube
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Jun 6 2008, 07:27 PM |
The point is,Bbb IS 7th from C,
double flatted tho cause that's what 7th looks like in dim7 chord. note A would be 6th,just take a look at notation. -------------------- Youtube
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Jun 7 2008, 01:33 AM |
Ok,I'm gonna try to keep it simple.
You are saying that A OR Bbb is 7th in C diminished 7. Well,it can be just one note I'm afraid and that would be Bbb. Main notes(no sharp or flat) are C D E F G A and B. It's fine setup cause we were talking about C dim7. Now,those 7 notes are degrees/intervals as follows: C-C prime (perfect) C-D second (major) C-E third (major) C-F fourth (perfect) C-G fifth (perfect) C-A sixth (major) C-B seventh (major) I guess you have read some notation Oxac cause this approach is mostly related to notation. Each note,as you go up using C major scale per example, is another spot higher in notation sheet. That defines intervals as well. So if you're counting from C as a root then you have few options in 7th interval, major 7th,minor 7th,sharp 7th(rarely used tho cause it's just like octave) flat 7th etc. But each of these seventh has to start with letter B, this is pure theory tho,you can call it whatever you want but in well educated circle of musicians it goes like this. -------------------- Youtube
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Jun 7 2008, 02:19 PM |
You're welcome.
Yeah,it's mostly related to notation and it's good to know these things,specially for sight reading as you said. Many self-thought musicians play all these chords without knowing this theory topic including lots of flats or sharp. But still they are very good and doable players which is most important. -------------------- Youtube
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