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Playing Stuff Like Cliffs Of Dover
lcsdds
Nov 25 2008, 02:59 AM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Nov 24 2008, 05:46 PM) *
Some things do look light years away, and it is a slow process indeed but it is always shorter than we think, so it is best to learn what you can for now, and just feel comfortable playing that now. Speed will come in time just like anything else. EJ is very tricky with those fast alternate 16th runs, but not for him - he practiced those techniques his whole life, so it's no wonder he can play them so cleanly. If you wanna play it, you must built his technique in roughly the same time he did, so it's no wonder you can't do it in week or so. So don't worry mate, just enjoy the tune, and practice practice practice smile.gif



Well said Ivan!!! I think it is natural for us to want to be able to play like these virtuosos instantly. All we ever see is them on stage ripping it up. We don't see the years they spent woodshedding to get their chops to where they are now. I think the only way to learn a song like this is one bar even one beat at a time. YOU HAVE TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO SMALL BITE SIZE PIECES!! After that it is just perseverance!!! Stick with it OC, you'll get it.

Monte

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Nov 25 2008, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Nov 24 2008, 07:23 PM) *
I don't really know lol. I guess if somebody could look at my video in the november challenges and tell me what I do that'd be great as I have no idea tongue.gif laugh.gif


Well I can't see anything wrong at your picking technique (I watched the video). But when I needed more speed, Metallicas "That Was Just Your Life" -main riff helped me. It's something like

(Palm mute the open E-string here)
A------------7----------------------
E-000--5-6----6-5-6------------- 3x

and then

A-----------------------------------
E-5-3-5-6-5-3-1-0--------------

Listen it from the youtube if you don't know the tempo.

Hope this helps smile.gif

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Nov 25 2008, 01:56 PM
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What album is that Metallica song from? I'm guessing it's Load/Reload era?

QUOTE (Wabba @ Nov 25 2008, 12:50 PM) *
Well I can't see anything wrong at your picking technique (I watched the video). But when I needed more speed, Metallicas "That Was Just Your Life" -main riff helped me. It's something like

(Palm mute the open E-string here)
A------------7----------------------
E-000--5-6----6-5-6------------- 3x

and then

A-----------------------------------
E-5-3-5-6-5-3-1-0--------------

Listen it from the youtube if you don't know the tempo.

Hope this helps smile.gif

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Wabba
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Nov 25 2008, 02:56 PM) *
What album is that Metallica song from? I'm guessing it's Load/Reload era?


No... It's from the Death Magnetic, the first song on the whole album.

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QUOTE (Wabba @ Nov 25 2008, 01:00 PM) *
No... It's from the Death Magnetic, the first song on the whole album.

That's why I haven't heard of the title biggrin.gif

I will give it a listen but I really dislike the production on the album. It's awful to listen to.

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Nov 25 2008, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Nov 25 2008, 03:17 PM) *
That's why I haven't heard of the title biggrin.gif

I will give it a listen but I really dislike the production on the album. It's awful to listen to.


Yeah... What ever. Well, tell then did it help, after you tried.

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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Nov 24 2008, 02:50 AM) *
Problem is that some parts I can't even consider playing I just don't know where to start. I am seriously the slowest player ever. Any tips on building up solo speed as I really can't pick at all fast sad.gif


OC,Cliffs Of Dover is VERY advance song to play,specially the into
if you wanna play it same way Eric did on the record.
And that part is kind a "no tempo" part or rubato.
So I suggest you to eventually make some of your own licks
that would sound similar but not the same as Eric's.
Even Eric plays the intro different every time he plays it live.
So go for Em pentatonic licks,lots of positions shifting and bands,
it doesn't have to be 100% the same imo. smile.gif

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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Nov 25 2008, 02:27 PM) *
OC,Cliffs Of Dover is VERY advance song to play,specially the into
if you wanna play it same way Eric did on the record.
And that part is kind a "no tempo" part or rubato.
So I suggest you to eventually make some of your own licks
that would sound similar but not the same as Eric's.
Even Eric plays the intro different every time he plays it live.
So go for Em pentatonic licks,lots of positions shifting and bands,
it doesn't have to be 100% the same imo. smile.gif

Thanks Muris. That's exactlly the same advice that kjutte gave to me on msn. It's all about getting licks down in different positions in different keys and being confident in playing them and piecing them together. I really do need to get that done and then hopefully I can improve smile.gif I need to improve my bends, muting and vibrato also I think smile.gif

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Muris Varajic
Nov 25 2008, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Nov 25 2008, 04:05 PM) *
Thanks Muris. That's exactlly the same advice that kjutte gave to me on msn. It's all about getting licks down in different positions in different keys and being confident in playing them and piecing them together. I really do need to get that done and then hopefully I can improve smile.gif I need to improve my bends, muting and vibrato also I think smile.gif


Sure thing,it takes time and practicing
but you'll get it. smile.gif

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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Nov 24 2008, 02:59 AM) *
Problem is that if you just keep playing something over and over and keep making the same mistakes then all you are training your fingers to do is make mistakes.


Monte


This is so true.

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