Sound Proffing A Room |
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Sound Proffing A Room |
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Dec 13 2008, 03:24 AM |
Good question. I've been wanting to do the same thing. Ideas guys?
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Dec 13 2008, 03:33 AM |
I'd also be interested.
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Dec 13 2008, 04:07 AM |
I'd also be interested. Google is your friend. I think Mr. Cockburn's done it though! |
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Dec 13 2008, 06:01 AM |
You know your stuff, Enforcer! Glad to have you on GMC!
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Dec 13 2008, 06:04 AM |
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Dec 13 2008, 10:05 AM |
Hmm, I'm afraid sound profing a room is not that easy mate, but there are several techniques at your disposal that can help you to diminish the expenses. IT is a lot easier to build a acoustically treated room from inside than to make a real-deal sound isolating room from outside as well. Unfortunately, not any solution for inner isolation that is a bit cheaper does not allow a complete isolation. The sound will still be heard from outside a bit, specially the drumset.
The base sound isolator is - air. You will need to make a room within a room that will have air pockets between walls. Inner wall can be of special sound isolating material like these on the pictures: Also some bass traps and corners: The more cheaper version of this is to use egg boxes like this: Another important thing to know is that heavy means - good. The more denser your isolation material is, the harder it will vibrate and the better it will stop the sound. Doors needs to be heavy and with some isolating foam like this: Very important thing to have in the room in order to make it more sound isolating to external environment is drum floor. There are many projects on how to do it on the web and here are a few pictures: -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Dec 13 2008, 12:39 PM |
The only thing here I wont agree with you Ivan with all respect, density is a bad thing for soundproofness. I am sure that Ivan meant here that density of air pockets in a material expands its soundproofing properties. As its known, sound waves propagates more than 3 times faster for solids more than 2 times faster for liquids than they propagate in air. And do do not propagate in the space, where theoretically the density is 0. Cheers mate No problem mate, glad you corrected me there, I didn't explained well. I think we're actually on the same line here, except we had some interpreting issues. The density of the walls is crucial for keeping the sound energy within the room. This of course doesn't mean that one concrete wall that has a bunch or foam glued on it will prevent the sounds go externally. There must be at least 2 walls, one internal and one external and one air pocket between them. The inner wall must be constructed out of solid mass material in order to absorb the sound energy better and get it away in other directions, cause the air pocket should prevent it from continuing the path outside. Also the best way to make a door is to make a double door, and fill them with sand. This should prevent the sound going through there. Low density and mass materials can be used, but they will not absorb to much of the sound energy. Their roll is better in absorbing reflections withing the room, but as far as going out of the room is concerned the low mass walls will not prevent high energy sound waves (like from drumkit) to go out. Big mass walls help with containing that energy within the inner structure before it reaches the outer one, so the more air pockets and less firm contact with external environment - the better the sound waves will be contained within. These are just some generalized rules for sound proofing, I'm no expert in this field, so can't go in depth than this. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Dec 13 2008, 05:58 PM |
Thanks for the good info guys.
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Dec 26 2008, 01:23 AM |
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Dec 26 2008, 01:38 AM |
And going with the exact description fom enforcer of how to build a soundproof room I'd like to add that the different layers of sound proofing material should differ for the best result. So you could make one layer of material X then a small pocket of air followed by a layer of material Y.
This is because what sound X lets through will Y filter out even better, and the air pocket does its part in the process aswell since the sound will have to traver through different material, where air is one. We used to rehearse in one of these rooms with a floating floor, double doors and all and it's really sound proof... and it gets really warm inside. For a garage band it's good ideas to start from and maybe simplify to keep below a pro budget and "house"-standard. Try to think of the room withn the room with as few connection points with the outerworld as possible (and air pocket inbetween) -------------------- My bands homepage
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Dec 26 2008, 05:47 PM |
Andrew?
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Dec 26 2008, 10:04 PM |
I'm here!
Actually, I didn't soundproof my studio as it is already underground - Regarding the discussion on density, its not what the material is, air or otherwise, its how it interacts with the soundwaves that matters. Air is not a good sound insulator as we all know, it propagates sound just fine. Solid things can also propgate soundwaves. In fact, blocking high and low frequencise works differently. High frequencies have low energy and can be blocked with a wall or something similar - in this case airtightness is the most important consideration. Low frequency waves however have enough energy to move things, and when they move things like walls they are in effect transmitting their enegy outwards. The trick with bass is to tire the soundwaves out by allowing something to move with them and thereby leech the energy out - this is the purpose of materials like rockwool or absorbent foam that are used in bass traps. The more you have of this the better - this is where the room within a room comes in - you fill the intervening area with a material that takes the energy out of the soundwaves. And as Ivan said, mass helps a lot here - my studio is buried underground and little sound gets out apart from theough the cieling which isn't covered with earth! Now, bear in mind that soundproofing a room is different to acoustically treating it. Putting various types of foam on the walls won't block the sound significantly - that is doen in studios to even out the response of the room to prevent boominess inside. All of the soundproofing goes on inside the walls, and with the double doors etc. If you want to get serious about this I would reccomend a book I bought when setting up my studio - its called "Home Recording Studio - build it like the pros" by Rod Gervais - a great read. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Dec 28 2008, 04:40 PM |
If you want to get serious about this I would reccomend a book I bought when setting up my studio - its called "Home Recording Studio - build it like the pros" by Rod Gervais - a great read. I have that book too! Great reading, my vote on that as well -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Dec 28 2008, 06:40 PM |
Awesome replies guys, thanks
Pretty informative stuff! |
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