Shall We Discuss Bugera?, and their presumed quality problems |
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Shall We Discuss Bugera?, and their presumed quality problems |
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Jan 8 2010, 05:51 PM |
Great review of the amp Ivan. I would have gussed that the chassi was plastic, like Zakk said knobs were falling off. But I would have expected more of the sound. That model is a copy of Peavey XXL I belive (and that other similar looking amp of JSX, or the other way around)
Zakk's experience of the sound was different. An other model maybe. Or the models shift a lot between eachother and don't sound the same. People on youtube, one who traded his 5250 for the Bugera ripoff claiming it sounded better, they raise the amps to the sky such as great sound for less price. But then, maybe it's not only the chassi where they saved money but also used cheaper parts inside. How good the quality is still remains an issue then. Perhaps you can ask next time your inte store if the got the newly sold Bugeras back -------------------- My bands homepage
All time favourites: B. Streisand - Woman in Love, M. Hopkin - Those were the days, L. Richie - Hello |
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Jan 8 2010, 06:26 PM |
Thanks a lot for the review Ivan!!
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Jan 8 2010, 08:13 PM |
Micke, I'll be back to tell you what I think of them! Looing forward to it, put the thumb screws on him! -------------------- My bands homepage
All time favourites: B. Streisand - Woman in Love, M. Hopkin - Those were the days, L. Richie - Hello |
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Jan 9 2010, 05:13 PM |
I will in the future test another of these heads if I find them, one head doesn't mean they are all bad sounding ofc, but from what I tested, it was enough to convince me that this one stands for its pricing in a very unbalanced way. Also, getting a proper voiced cab for the head is equally important, so perhaps the good ol 1960 cab wasn't good for that particular head.
So people who don't have money for buying proper tube head, should IMHO stay away from this head. It just doesn't feel right giving 550$ for something that does not do the job well. The clean channel was decent, as long as it was clean, distortion was messy, so practically all of the pricing go for the decent clean channel. For the money, I think there can be found a better tube amp, sure it will be smaller wattage no doubt, but at least all the variables will be included in the price with a higher degree of balance between each other. This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Jan 9 2010, 05:14 PM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Jan 9 2010, 11:53 PM |
Great, leave us all hanging...
I don't think that it's the dealers to blame, these amps simply have bad reputation, same as with other Behringer gear. If they don't earn money on Behr stuff, it's because people really don't want to buy them. And regarding the small price-small profit theory, I think it's not true. Stores sell low-priced Marshalls/Peaveys in vast quantities to young players. Every player that wants to get a tube amp knows that he has to invest lot of money into one. So I guess people think that 500e Bugera head is not worth it, it's better to get a smaller tube amp for the same price, like a Fender or Peavey combo. At least that's what I would do (I wouldn't get Peavey tho). Hey! What's wrong with Peavey combos? The Classic series has a pretty good reputation, and I love my Delta Blues. -------------------- "I dreamed a lot when I was younger.. I'm older now but still I hunger For some understanding. There's no understanding, now. Was there ever? ...Joe Puerta (Ambrosia)... Finally got a YouTube page going. |
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Jan 10 2010, 12:06 AM |
with a little surprise too!!! Oh no you didn't!!! You bought one! I'm guessing the 1960 ...or from what I've heard so far it's more likely one blew up in your face -------------------- My bands homepage
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Jan 10 2010, 01:48 AM |
Hey! What's wrong with Peavey combos? The Classic series has a pretty good reputation, and I love my Delta Blues. Nothing wrong with them mate. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Jan 10 2010, 03:14 PM |
Awesome review Jonesy! I agree on pretty much everything you said about the 333 head, decent cleans and light crunch, after that it starts to get messy. Since I used 1960 Marshall cab when testing and came to very similar results, I conclude poor result for 333 head (and I guess 333XL as well, since the head is basically the same, except it has some additional features).
I would still like to test 1960 Bugera head, it would be interesting to find out how it behaves. While we are on that topic, there is one person who calles himself Tone King on YT, and made some good (although unbiased IMO) shootouts between 1960 Bugera and a vintage 1959 JCM800. The difference is clear even on these videos, but again, the price is very low on the Bugera, so it is a justified difference to some extent: EDIT: I just have to comment on how this guy compared the built, it's pretty unbiased to me. He accents the great built with Bugera, but speaks no such thing on the JCM. He even says that wiring on the Bugera "nice job", "color coded, and "wrapped correctly", which to me is a bit strange thing to say. Of course it needs to be color coded and wrapped correctly. On the other hand, I look at this JCM amp and see the wiring is way better, but he speaks no good things about it? Also, you can clearly see that he says that caps on the Marshall are "on the outside" which sounds to me like it is a bad thing. I don't know how this can be a bad thing at all. Also, the caps on the Bugera are so tiny, and again no words there. he didn't even mention that the tube sockets are printed on the PCB on the Bugera, as opposed to the chassis-mounted sockets on the JCM, which is by many a bad construction decision made to cut costs in production. EDIT2: one more thing, in the first video, he mentions how he payed the JCM much more than Bugera. That is OK, but JCM is a vintage amp that has been around for decades and it needed maintenance, so included that in the price and compared the sum. I'm not sure if that is a good way to compare them. I would like to see Bugera in some 20-25 years of abuse, how it sounds then. This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Jan 10 2010, 03:27 PM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Jan 10 2010, 04:32 PM |
Great review SJ! And nice find with that Ashton, never heard of it before, what a gold nugget!
About The Tone King, I keep watching his reviews since some time back. Overall interesting and enjoyable but I wonder why he's stubbornly recording through the mike of the camera instead of miking the cabs. Should sound so much true. Yeah, I also think he commented on the Bugera as a surprise there were wires and tubes inside and not bricks only to add weight. I do also wonder if 1960 and 1990, like the other Bugera models fail when pushed. They are newer models from 2009 and question is if Bugera improved or have settled for good enough. -------------------- My bands homepage
All time favourites: B. Streisand - Woman in Love, M. Hopkin - Those were the days, L. Richie - Hello |
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Jan 11 2010, 08:21 PM |
I agree a lot with the Marshall, they are to me even worst then Behr these days, putting out lousy amps that cost a fortune. They should really cut down prices. But the reliability and tone image is on their side, so they can do this.
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