If I Only Knew More Scales Than The Pentatonic... |
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If I Only Knew More Scales Than The Pentatonic... |
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May 27 2014, 04:53 PM |
Learning new scales can be a real eye-opener but it can also be a brick wall for some people. There are lots of scales to learn that you can find in books, tabs and off course at GMC Theory Board but the most important thing is to know how and where to use them.
Do you feel limited by your scales knowledge? Have you tried learning new scales? How did it work out? Please share your story here and we will be able to help each other. -------------------- My lessons
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May 28 2014, 07:35 PM |
Hey guys! Don't be shy and comment here!
I'll be talking about Phrygian Major Mode at the Vchat in some minutes. Feel free to join: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/chat/ -------------------- My lessons
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May 28 2014, 10:28 PM |
I do know a few but when speaking of this I prefer to get into a little detail, is it for jamming or composing manner. Cause when jamming you don't have the luxury to have time thinking of construction, but when composing one who has no idea of what (for example) modes are may use them as he/she probably heard it in a song or got familiar by practicing a solo. My idea of guitarist development is, practicing and learning (not memorise but using) new scales is a must until someone has enough experience to identify/construct musical ideas to songs. With enough experience it starts to become often that while composing a melody one might not have an idea what scale it is until he/she analyzes it, which is pretty interesting Most of the times, when I'm composing I just pay attention to what sounds in my mind, and I consider very important to have our ear trained to make the process or transposing ideas to guitar fast. Learning new scales doesn't only give us more tools for improvising, it also open our mind to new sounds and new combination of notes. I think that no matter if you forget the shapes in your guitar, if you feel the scale characteristic sound, and even more if you sing it, you incorporate new combinations into your mind library, don't you think so? -------------------- My lessons
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May 29 2014, 03:10 PM |
Heh, Gabi has pointed out an important aspect I for one am NEVER thinking in terms of scales when I am writing or improvising - I just want to play what I hear in my head. If I want to refine that, I will record the line and see how I can tweak it. But prior ear training in respect to a particular scale, is actually the core that triggers certain sounds in our mind and the whole magic occurs when our brain mixes and matches things in a subconscious way, giving birth to musical ideas based on what we have been feeding him before. Hah! This is magic Learn to HEAR and internalize the sounds of a scale rather then learning positions on the fretboard at first Listening to varied music and singing along the melodies is also another secret for this. I've been doing this since I was a child. -------------------- My lessons
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May 31 2014, 04:37 PM |
And this makes two of us I had NO clue of what I was singing - in respect to lyrics - but when I was about 8, the famous hit 'Zombie' by the Cranberries came out. Needless to say, I was in the bathtub and singing out loud to the chorus My mom and dad were crazy laughing hahaha another coincidence, I used to sing melodies without understanding a work of what I was singing... maybe this makes us focus even more on the melodic side of music. -------------------- My lessons
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May 31 2014, 10:51 PM |
I lack the chordal and progression knowledge to create a backing for the scales to be used over.
I need to look at some more interesting music and see what chord extensions and progressions are being used or how they put 2 chord vamps together in an interesting way to play more modally -------------------- My SoundCloud
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Jun 1 2014, 09:06 AM |
I lack the chordal and progression knowledge to create a backing for the scales to be used over. I need to look at some more interesting music and see what chord extensions and progressions are being used or how they put 2 chord vamps together in an interesting way to play more modally First of all you should understand modal theory and the way in which modes can be harmonized - you will then be able to discern modal progressions Take a look here: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=48825 Each mode derived from the major scale is described nicely and thoroughly Please tell us if you need more guidance! |
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Jun 1 2014, 03:45 PM |
Well said Cosmin. Go for that stuff Posterboy which is very rich and then let us know when you need more help.
At the same time, analyze the music that you like, check what progressions and songs they use and try to use the theory thread to understand why it works that good. I'm here to help you if you need it. -------------------- My lessons
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Jun 1 2014, 09:04 PM |
Well said Cosmin. Go for that stuff Posterboy which is very rich and then let us know when you need more help. At the same time, analyze the music that you like, check what progressions and songs they use and try to use the theory thread to understand why it works that good. I'm here to help you if you need it. I found this as well which is really good https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...?showtopic=6023 -------------------- My SoundCloud
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Jun 2 2014, 07:30 AM |
I found this as well which is really good https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...?showtopic=6023 Indeed man, there is valuable info here as well Read through and try to apply it in as many tonalities as possible! I feel like pentatonic, or 5 note scales, are the starting block to understand the role of a scale. The more I delve deeper into scales: I see that the major scale is the parent scale. Where a parent scale, is the building block of all possible scales. If you look at a scale in scale degrees, they are just variations of the parent scale a.k.a major scale. The minor and major pentatonic scales sit at the root of many other scales They are like a skeleton on which you can place other notes to form various modes for instance: Major pentatonic - 1 2 3 5 6 - if for instance you add the 4th and 7th you get the major scale Minor pentatonic - 1 b3 4 5 b7 - if you add the 2nd and b6th, you get the minor scale What other notes can you add to the minor and major pentatonic to create other modes? |
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Jun 2 2014, 06:55 PM |
Adding a #4 to the major pentatonic, would that be a major pentatonic lydian? 1 2 3 #4 5 6. No it wouldn't right? It has six notes. But I need the 3 to define if it's major or minor so I could do 1 2 3 #4 5 for Major Lydian Pentatonic? Pentatonic means 5 tones, so I wouldn't call Pentatonic to a 6 notes scale. I think that this lesson HERE, and this thread HERE, will give you a full coverage of this interesting variation of the Pentatonic Major. -------------------- My lessons
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Jun 3 2014, 07:22 AM |
Spot on addition from Gabi Korb, you just need to add the #4 and the 7 to get the Lydian
1 2 3 5 6 = major pentatonic 1 2 3 #4 5 6 7 = Lydian |
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