U.s. Supreme Court Legalizes Gay Marriage In Every State |
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Jul 8 2015, 09:53 AM |
Great post Mudbone.
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Jul 8 2015, 10:56 PM |
Personally I don't care about where a bloke wants to stick his willy or where a woman wants to place her chuffer. As long as they are nice, helpful, considerate people that's all I need to know.
This post has been edited by Phil66: Jul 9 2015, 08:46 AM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Jul 8 2015, 11:49 PM |
How the hell did we go from gay marriage to Mexicans, blacks, ISIS, and gay cakes? +1 As far as ISIS... Great post, I live in a muslim country and didn't know any of that Before commenting on islam further, every religion has blood in its history some way or another. Budism seems to be the most peaceful (from tv etc.) but they are killing muslims Burma, Myanmar... Islam in Turkey might be helpful for members to gain perspective on what it is. Struggles aside, there is democracy here and as with relations its one of the first members of NATO...also check out how Iran was in the 70's with a google search and research how it become what it is today; https://www.google.com.tr/search?q=iran+in+...mp;ved=0CBoQsAQ As for Isis, the violence they do is beyond my understanding and hated here. Isis to some here is more of a conspiracy, the north of ıraq was a complicated place (kurd's, turkmens, yezidi's...) before isis and now only Kurd's are left there. This leads some to believe this war between them is helping to form a kurdish country. Also 75% of the Turkish army is settled on north boarder of Syria, we're are worried of being involved in such war |
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Jul 9 2015, 12:05 AM |
I don't think anyone (except a small percentage of fringe cases) cares whether gays are married or not. Did anyone read Scalia's dissent, or just listen to MSNBC et.al. mock his tone and misrepresent what actually happened?
Scalia's Dissent Prior to this ruling, we were a representative government ; meaning social issues not covered by the Constitution needed to be voted on by the population - debating issues in the civil realm is how we the people learn. The process is supposed to be a LONG process, to prevent mob-mentality judgments. Instead, 9 jurors representing perhaps 1% of the population, decided to take the case and actually change the meaning of a word that for over 200 years in America, and thousands of years worldwide, meant - thereby imposing that meaning via dictate. That is NOT how a Republic is supposed to work. The threat here is that now an un-elected group of robes have done the job of the Judicial and Legislative branches of government, bypassing the reason for their existence in the first place - separation of powers! Keeping the King in check! That is the *only* issue in this debate. Anyone importing hate of gays is just trolling or naive. Ben: 9 judges became the King of America! - watch out England -> we're on way back to the motherland for that cup of tea! Love you all! *snip*
Personally, I don't really care if gay people can get married. *snip* This post has been edited by SirJamsalot: Jul 9 2015, 12:08 AM -------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
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Jul 9 2015, 09:08 AM |
And Phil: "Chuffer" I look forward to your posts because I am always learning new words from you In other areas of this land it is just "chuff", as in ; "I couldn't give a monkey's chuff" This post has been edited by Phil66: Jul 9 2015, 12:52 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Jul 9 2015, 03:00 PM
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Sadly, no. to quote crsn again (all in good fun and with no malice intended) .."Being born nude and being born black are the same thing".... I guess you guys are trying to go to deep with the question .The intent that I meant it was in both circumstances the being can not change how it was "Being born". You can not change being born , being black, being white and since you can not change, in that way, that is how I meant it was the same. Sorry for the confusion, But for the life of me I can not figure out how else it could be interpreted But I will clarify where I was going, I don't think Sexual preference is in the same league of needing civil protection as , Race , Color,Sex or Creed (which is in the 64 ruling). And as bigoted as it might be, it is not illegal to put up a sign that says no gays http://www.everyjoe.com/2015/07/01/news/ma...d-store-sign/#1 , but as the article says let his busines rise or fall based on this This post has been edited by jstcrsn: Jul 9 2015, 07:16 PM |
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Jul 9 2015, 09:58 PM |
You are aware that Turkey is a very bad representation of the muslim world? Depends on view point, why not more ideal instead of bad? no ones hands are chopped off cause of stealing bread or no woman is stoned to death etc. here...also other muslim countrys though may not approve (I guess), so many visit here (specially İstanbul) for ramadan or vacation. I understand what you mean politically by that sentence but culturally Turkey is not so alien to them either. In order to change Ottoman Empire into a "western style" country, there was death penalty even for using traditional clothes. Turkey is nice, because it left as much Islam as possible behind. It couldn't be left behind completely, because how strongly religion is intertwined with culture. And even before that Ottoman Empire was very unorthodox in compare too other muslim states. True, changing the laws, entire alphabet and separating politics etc. from religion wasn't easy. The traditional clothes things is a bit complicated though and still is debated here. Usually in many country's, symbols indicate a persons political or religions beliefs like a cross or nazi symbol. Religious fanatics or any form of terrorists here in the past and today (usually) preferred common things like a certain shape of mustache or traditional cloths...makes it harder to identify who's the enemy inside and who's innocent specially a century ago, so the style had to change completely. Not the best solution, even failed in many ways I'd say but it was very complicated matter back then and still is... Also there is no such thing as "killing muslims" in Burma or Myanmar. There is a civil war there, and even if I don't know for sure I will blame muslims. Buddhists have no difficulty to coexists with others, so it is easy to assume which group "started" the war. I also didn't remember the details and had to make a web search; http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22356306 Anyway, to me problem of muslims is the Kur'an is extremely specific in life style (%80 of it is actually all about lifestyle). Considering the Arab world almost 1500 years ago, it was a huge improvement but now outdated today of course. I believe as time past its more manipulated than evolved today. More importantly, something like a French revolution never happened in the muslim world to "balance" things. Or (maybe) closest thing to it is the conversion from Ottoman Empire to Turkey. This post has been edited by Mertay: Jul 10 2015, 01:17 PM |
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Jul 11 2015, 01:09 AM |
Yup! Believe it or not, In 28 states it's perfectly legal to refuse service based entirely on bigotry. Of course, just like marriage equality and the right for women to vote, it's something that just takes time for everyone to admit that it's just plain wrong
-- http://www.dailydot.com/politics/tennessee-no-gays-sign-law/ In Tennessee, just as in 28 other U.S. states, it's perfectly legal to post a "no gays" sign in the window of a store. It's legal to tell an LGBT person to get out of a public park, to refuse to serve them a meal in a restaurant, to deny them care at a doctor's office, or to decline to open a bank account for someone because they are gay or transgender. In those states, it's all 100 percent legal. Also legal in 28 states: denying housing to LGBT people. A landlord can legally send an eviction notice that says "you have to leave because you're a lesbian." A real estate agent can say, "sorry, but I won't sell this house to a gay couple." A broker can blatantly tell you there's no apartments for rent for transgender folks. Guess what else is well within the legal rights of residents in 28 U.S. states? Firing an employee because they are LGBT—or simply not hiring them. It's entirely legal to say, "No thanks. You're qualified, but we just don't want your kind working here." ----- I guess you guys are trying to go to deep with the question .The intent that I meant it was in both circumstances the being can not change how it was "Being born". You can not change being born , being black, being white and since you can not change, in that way, that is how I meant it was the same. Sorry for the confusion, But for the life of me I can not figure out how else it could be interpreted But I will clarify where I was going, I don't think Sexual preference is in the same league of needing civil protection as , Race , Color,Sex or Creed (which is in the 64 ruling). And as bigoted as it might be, it is not illegal to put up a sign that says no gays http://www.everyjoe.com/2015/07/01/news/ma...d-store-sign/#1 , but as the article says let his busines rise or fall based on this |
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Jul 11 2015, 11:33 AM
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Yup! Believe it or not, In 28 states it's perfectly legal to refuse service based entirely on bigotry. Of course, just like marriage equality and the right for women to vote, it's something that just takes time for everyone to admit that it's just plain wrong -- http://www.dailydot.com/politics/tennessee-no-gays-sign-law/ In Tennessee, just as in 28 other U.S. states, it's perfectly legal to post a "no gays" sign in the window of a store. It's legal to tell an LGBT person to get out of a public park, to refuse to serve them a meal in a restaurant, to deny them care at a doctor's office, or to decline to open a bank account for someone because they are gay or transgender. In those states, it's all 100 percent legal. Also legal in 28 states: denying housing to LGBT people. A landlord can legally send an eviction notice that says "you have to leave because you're a lesbian." A real estate agent can say, "sorry, but I won't sell this house to a gay couple." A broker can blatantly tell you there's no apartments for rent for transgender folks. Guess what else is well within the legal rights of residents in 28 U.S. states? Firing an employee because they are LGBT—or simply not hiring them. It's entirely legal to say, "No thanks. You're qualified, but we just don't want your kind working here." ----- Bigoted or not, I think we need to tread carefully on giving a "preference " the same civil liberties as race ,creed, sex as these can not change , but preference changes. Like I said if it changes it won't affect me as I did work for a mixed black couple and bid a bathroom remodel for a gay couple, I don't understand why a business would want to loose money. I would much rather let the states handle a changeable preference issue than the supreme court force . I will ask you though, should A minister be forced to marry someone whom he does not want to marry? |
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