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Mar 21 2017, 10:25 PM |
What program are you talking about AK?
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Mar 24 2017, 05:05 PM |
Donations always surge when the threat of a cut is proposed.
The sustainability of the public funding is tough as those programs will now have to spend more money and time on 'fundraising activities' and less on actually helping people. The amount of money that the govt. gives to the arts and food for the hungry is fucking minuscule. The NEA gets on average about $146 million per year (.012 of the fed 'discretionary' budget). That's about $1.07 a year on your personal fed tax bill (based on approx 136 mil people filing fed tax). Fed food programs (SNAP) cost us all maybe $36.00 on our fed return. Most of that, 83%, goes to kids, retirees and disabled folks ... and there already is a work requirement (18 to 59 yr old's in good health - since Clinton in '96). Arts and food. Come on. This post has been edited by klasaine: Mar 24 2017, 10:38 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Mar 26 2017, 06:26 AM |
The basic divide seems to be that myself and kris and Ken seem to think it's just not right to cut out what's left of the budget, after military spending and social security/etc. and slice it up even further and give it to the Pentagon. The bits that are being slices off are very small portions of the budget. Then again, that's what voting is for. After all, the folks in power and in both houses of congress have the ability to destroy all discretionary programs by defunding them and give all the money the pentagon. I think this is beyond the pale in terms of simple morality. Those programs are a miniscule slice of the budget and they go to help those who need it the most. I think we should take a HUGE slice out of the military budget personally. We overspend on the military by billions. The Military Industrial Complex has become a monster that sucks up about half of every tax dollar. To make it worse, the people we are fighting have no NAVY, no AIR FORCE, just guys with guns in light trucks and whatever they can steal from what we left behind. Spending billions on stealth jets and anti submarine warfare seems ludicrous. But again, just to me. Maybe you and others thing we need massive expansion of the military and to do away with social programs for the poor, disabled and aged. I think you would change your mind if you found yourself poor, disabled, an or aged.
As for the funding for Meals on Wheels, they get most of their state money from Community development block grants, a $3 billion program that started in the Ford administration to give states and cities more flexibility in how they combat poverty. If this get's cut, many programs that depend on it would simply go away. These are state level monies. However, Meals on Wheels programs get most of their federal funding through the Administration for Community Living, an agency of the Department of Health and Human Services that serves the elderly and disabled. That agency has a $227 million line-item for "home-delivered nutrition services." This represents the bulk of their federal funding. Those programs are authorized though the Older Americans Act, Still, they get the overall bulk of their funding from Corporations and Foundations who use it as a tax write off. Individual contributions are just a small portion of the overall budget but they have been rising as people are afraid Trump will cut fundin and leave many elderly people with nobody to bring them a meal. http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-budge...-funding-2017-3 MEALS ON WHEELS SAVES THE US 34 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN NURSING HOME COSTS BY KEEPING ELDERLY PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN HOMES. That would be incorrect. The majority of Federal funding may come from HHS but not the majority of their total funding. Where are you getting your info? It's simply not so. And at this point there have been no cuts announced for the OAA itself as far as I can tell.
.. This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Mar 26 2017, 06:39 AM |
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Mar 26 2017, 05:11 PM |
The basic divide seems to be that myself and kris and Ken seem to think it's just not right to cut out what's left of the budget, after military spending and social security/etc. and slice it up even further and give it to the Pentagon. The bits that are being slices off are very small portions of the budget. Then again, that's what voting is for. After all, the folks in power and in both houses of congress have the ability to destroy all discretionary programs by defunding them and give all the money the pentagon. I think this is beyond the pale in terms of simple morality. Those programs are a miniscule slice of the budget and they go to help those who need it the most. I think we should take a HUGE slice out of the military budget personally. We overspend on the military by billions. The Military Industrial Complex has become a monster that sucks up about half of every tax dollar. To make it worse, the people we are fighting have no NAVY, no AIR FORCE, just guys with guns in light trucks and whatever they can steal from what we left behind. Spending billions on stealth jets and anti submarine warfare seems ludicrous. But again, just to me. Maybe you and others thing we need massive expansion of the military and to do away with social programs for the poor, disabled and aged. I think you would change your mind if you found yourself poor, disabled, an or aged. As for the funding for Meals on Wheels, they get most of their state money from Community development block grants, a $3 billion program that started in the Ford administration to give states and cities more flexibility in how they combat poverty. If this get's cut, many programs that depend on it would simply go away. These are state level monies. However, Meals on Wheels programs get most of their federal funding through the Administration for Community Living, an agency of the Department of Health and Human Services that serves the elderly and disabled. That agency has a $227 million line-item for "home-delivered nutrition services." This represents the bulk of their federal funding. Those programs are authorized though the Older Americans Act, Still, they get the overall bulk of their funding from Corporations and Foundations who use it as a tax write off. Individual contributions are just a small portion of the overall budget but they have been rising as people are afraid Trump will cut fundin and leave many elderly people with nobody to bring them a meal. http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-budge...-funding-2017-3 MEALS ON WHEELS SAVES THE US 34 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN NURSING HOME COSTS BY KEEPING ELDERLY PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN HOMES. I'll address the last paragraph in your post first. That is exactly what I have said and at first you seemed to dispute it , now you agree that the majority of their funding comes from donations. Corporations and Foundations as well as the general public who donate and do volunteer work represent the majority of the funding for MOW. Now on to military spending. The first and foremost role of the Fed Gov is to "Provide For The Common Defense." Obama dramatically reduced funding to the military. Under Obama the production of most advanced fighter jet the world has ever seen, the F-22 Raptor was halted. Under Obama we saw in FY 2015 that spending on social and economic programs was over 4 times greater than the spending on national defense. Federal spending on national defense was less than 16% of federal spending in that year. If you look at the graph I have provided you can easily see the spending on social and economic programs has been the bulk of federal spending for quite some time. In 2010 America spent well over 3 times as much on transfer payments to individuals than it spent on the entire national security budget including the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And over the next 4 years the entitlement spending was set to increase another $700 billion. While Obama was gutting our military and bases where being shut down across the country we saw a buildup in the military of countries like China and Iran and we saw Russia walk all over Crimea and Ukraine. That's not quite as innocuous sounding as some guys in the desert with Ak-47's is it? If you watched the recent hearings with Comey and Rogers we saw at least one democrat (her name escapes me at the moment) claim that Russia's role in our election was an act of war. So maybe we need to worry about them too? Are Democrats going to bring us into a war with Russia because they are so butthurt over loosing an election that they thought was in the bag? https://ca.news.yahoo.com/iran-denies-haras...-190717179.html http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/02/asia/us-chin...-sea/index.html http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/c...saber-rattling/ I think you might change your mind about military spending if this country is attacked while our defenses have been compromised for entitlements. Entitlements that if left to continue on the course they are on will consume all federal revenue. There is the possibility that you can kiss all those entitlements goodbye if these nations (Iran, China, Russia, N. Korea) and other nations decide they want to gang up on the US. [attachment=45991:FBIP_MAIN_16.jpg] [attachment=45990:FBIP_MAIN_28_1.jpg] http://federalbudgetinpictures.com/[/url] This post has been edited by AK Rich: Mar 26 2017, 06:15 PM |
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Mar 26 2017, 06:17 PM |
The US spends as much on military expenditures as the next dozen countries in the world combined. The US accounts for about a third of worldwide military spending.
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Mar 27 2017, 12:25 AM |
China owns most of our debt. Contrary to popular belief it is we, the grand old USofA that owns most of our debt. U.S. citizens and American entities, such as state and local governments, pension funds (including soc. sec.), mutual funds, and the Federal Reserve, domestic and private investors, etc. Together they (we) own the vast majority - 67.5% of the debt. Foreign nations only hold 32.5% of the total. Of that, China - about 1.24 trillion. Japan is at 1.15 (though they jockey back and forth - Japan led in Dec of 2016). Ireland of all places is in 3rd place with about 271 billion in held US debt and the UK in general has ALWAYS owned a ton of US debt. *UK and Canadian persons, entities and corporations have also always owned a lot of US real estate. Overall more than any other country historically. Don't freak out about the debt - domestic or foreign. This post has been edited by klasaine: Mar 27 2017, 12:27 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Mar 27 2017, 12:45 AM |
Having substantial portions of our debt held by foreigners is cause for celebration. Todd is correct about this: just like globalization of the world's economy, it links the economic fates of nations together. In the history of mankind, there has never been a greater force for peace than having nations dependent on each other for economic prosperity.
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