Don't know who to believe https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57214596

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/05/3...indian-variant/

This is newer news it should be more clear in the following days but definitely a sign not to get too comfortable yet.

I'm still being as careful as I was last year

I'm also interested to know, when they say "the Indian variant" they mean it was first discovered there BUT, does that mean the other countries that have the Indian variant have had it brought in from India OR is the variant in other countries and was only name after the country that first discovered it?

Does that make sense?

This post has been edited by Phil66: May 31 2021, 08:30 PM

I didn't understand the second part of the question

I had my 1st Moderna shot today

They say the Indian variant is called that because that's where it was first identified. Could that mean that other countries, for example the UK had the same variant that had mutated within the UK but hadn't been identified or have all Indian variants within the UK been brought in from India?

It's likely carried, they couldn't find any of the variants original source but its suspected (specially the Indian) was mutated in an animal then cought and spread by human.

I also heard it started (originally )in a lab in China

Sadly the indian variant is proving resistant to vaccine. They are trying other methods now. It's more transmissable than the othe variants and evidently the effects are worse as well. It's very scary thing. Here is some news from Reuters. One of the few news sources I actually trust.

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/science/i...ise-2021-05-28/

From the bbc article phil shared

The Pfizer vaccine was found to be 88% effective at stopping symptomatic disease from the Indian variant two weeks after the second dose, compared with 93% effectiveness against the Kent variant.

The AstraZeneca jab was 60% effective against the Indian variant, compared with 66% against the Kent variant.



This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Jun 1 2021, 12:32 AM

Received my first Moderna shot. Same thing, arm feels super bruised. Not sure when I'll get second shot because I think they are delayed here in Canada.

Glad you got the first one! Yeah I had "covid arm" as well. Don't make any plans after the second shot, some folks feel a bit ill for a few days.

Should be 3 or 4 weeks when you can get a 2nd dose. If it's as long as 3 months or so, you have to start over. This is what I was told after my 1st jab. My arm was the same as yours after the 1st one.


88% effective is pretty damn good considering that some vaccines weren't even that good against the original strain.

First shot of biontech today.

Here they decreased the age limit radically fast these past 4-5 days, it was crowded cause the computer system they used was having issue's. Took me 1.5 hours from start to finish

Anyway, its been 9-10 hours since the shot and aside the needle left-over pain in my arm (can move it without a problem) I didn't experience any symptom as of yet...but I did eat and sleep well 2 days prior to the shot and mostly resting today like a sunday not even playing guitar.

Congrats on getting stabbed! I heard that Prez Biden was going to give away millions of shots to countries that needed them as we have so much extra supply that it's starting to go bad on the shelf. Millions of folks here are refusing to take the shot at all for fear of various conspiracy theories (tracking chip/infertility/etc.) so we have way more than we need. Sadly, having such a huge chunk refusing to get vaxed keeps us from reaching herd immunity as quick as we would have. Some states are giving out incentives to get folks to vax up.

Symptoms are worse for folks on the second shot but the first one should be fine



This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Jun 18 2021, 12:30 AM

Thanks

I saw a few who got in-line then soon left after realizing the wait would be just too long, I also thought about that to be honest but since my house wasn't close decided to wait anyway. Who knows when/if those who left will return to get vacced.

EU brought travel restrictions internationally, these restrictions may get localized (like being able to use a public bus etc.) depending on the country. If the carrot doesn't work there's always the stick

My take away from that is that it could just as easily (if not more often) happen if you have gotten covid than it will from the vaccine. About 1:23 in. At least according to those specialists.

I think I'm understanding that correctly.

Yes, more importantly though this Delta variation (by the way recently delta-plus emerged again from India, might be even worse) has become troublesome. Despite having a good vaccination rate, England still can't open and a spike has recently started even though its summer.

Here in Turkey though we don't need a local vaccine as they're outsourced, still there are vaccines being developed (one is at phase 3 now). The reason is incase a dominant mutation of covid arises where current vaccines doesn't work, then the world can respond faster to modify according to the mutation if needed to be. Many countries and firms are preparing themselves for this.

So the current vaccines work against current mutations but covid itself is getting more and more contagious/dangerous. This is why such small risks are worth taking. It's an easy to cure side-effect by the way.

...And no one should bet on herd immunity either, specially the un-vacc.ed. Newer mutations arrive from an under-vacced country in a matter of days and spreads in weeks as we see in the Delta example. Covid will only go away once the 3.rd world counties are also properly vacced.

Sadly the 'herd immunity' thing is totally misunderstood, both the how and why of it.
A community can't reach it until at least (conservatively) 75% of the population has immunity from either getting Covid or getting vaccinated.
For fast and easy spreading diseases like Measles - 95% of a population needs to have the antibodies. Polio - 85%.

It will either take YEARS or ... we may never get there(?).

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/herd-immunity
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vac...0this%20disease.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2
https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/home...ty-and-covid-19

This post has been edited by klasaine: Jun 24 2021, 10:57 PM

I'm glad that we are rolling out vaccine and making progress on getting a handle on this thing. It could be going a bit better though. Still, there are places in the world like india that are so far from where we are now that it's hard not to be a little grateful for the progress so far. I do hope we get our vax numbers up in every state though.