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Posted by: draftzero Feb 21 2009, 08:45 PM

I have a set of klipsch speakers 4 speakers + the subwoofer, they use the standard home stereo speaker connection.

I also have a podxt live, is it possible to interface these equipment together? Would it sound good? Or am i better off buying a new amp.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 21 2009, 08:52 PM

QUOTE (draftzero @ Feb 21 2009, 07:45 PM) *
I have a set of klipsch speakers 4 speakers + the subwoofer, they use the standard home stereo speaker connection.

I also have a podxt live, is it possible to interface these equipment together? Would it sound good? Or am i better off buying a new amp.


You can play but that's not really designed for that. You have a risk of burning your speakers.

Posted by: draftzero Feb 21 2009, 09:02 PM

Ok selling them off and buying an amp it is! thanks!

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 21 2009, 09:10 PM

QUOTE (draftzero @ Feb 21 2009, 08:02 PM) *
Ok selling them off and buying an amp it is! thanks!


Well that's good for listening music but not to plug your instrument directly. You can however use them for computer and play through your soundcard. Studio monitors work better in this case but your speakers would also do the job.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Feb 21 2009, 10:08 PM

If you use POD XT Live it is better to use those speakers than guitar amp. If you plan to use the POD Live with those speakers you can do it no problem IMO. Just find appropriate cables and adapters, and connect the out from POD to the speakers.

If you wanna hear a really good sound, I suggest that you sell those speakers and get good audio monitors. This will not color the sound, and you will hear the POD modeling well.

Posted by: draftzero Feb 22 2009, 02:50 AM

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Feb 21 2009, 03:08 PM) *
If you use POD XT Live it is better to use those speakers than guitar amp. If you plan to use the POD Live with those speakers you can do it no problem IMO. Just find appropriate cables and adapters, and connect the out from POD to the speakers.

If you wanna hear a really good sound, I suggest that you sell those speakers and get good audio monitors. This will not color the sound, and you will hear the POD modeling well.


Do you mind recommending some good audio monitors? I don't even know what they really are ><.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 22 2009, 02:58 AM

You can go both ways but you should know that computer speakers (regular ones) are not meant to have effect units run trough. One thing is to play back music and basic sounds, but its totally other thing to blast some shredding with tons of distortion at insane level. Point is , when you use POD in regular speakers you have no control over frequency that goes into those speakers.
My suggestion, get amp and run your effects unit trough amp wink.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 22 2009, 03:24 AM

I agree with Pedja at some point but the POD it self is an amp modeler. Therefore studio monitors will do the job as the POD will process the signal like through an amp. This is of course the solution for home recording and playing. If you need to play live then of course you need an amp smile.gif

About the monitors there are some good cheap ones. I use these active monitors, they really work good for £99

http://turnkey.co.uk/product.php?itemid=5284

Posted by: kahall Feb 22 2009, 06:05 AM

QUOTE (draftzero @ Feb 21 2009, 07:50 PM) *
Do you mind recommending some good audio monitors? I don't even know what they really are ><.


I have a couple of http://www.guitarcenter.com/Mackie-MR5-Active-Studio-Monitor-104786603-i1386321.gc that work nicely with anything Line6 I have plugged into them. One of them by itself sounds just fine for those quiet times.
I did not know what monitors were either when someone here recommended I get some. They look like speakers to me. ;-)

Posted by: draftzero Feb 22 2009, 06:32 AM

Thanks a bunch guys... man i love this site.! I plan on selling my old home theater system (i think i can get $500-$700 for em) so thats my price range... can these be used by themselves? Also i've heard of people talking about getting a PA system... what would be the difference between the two? Which is better?

Posted by: kahall Feb 22 2009, 07:16 AM

QUOTE (draftzero @ Feb 21 2009, 11:32 PM) *
Thanks a bunch guys... man i love this site.! I plan on selling my old home theater system (i think i can get $500-$700 for em) so thats my price range... can these be used by themselves? Also i've heard of people talking about getting a PA system... what would be the difference between the two? Which is better?


They can be used by themselves. I do not know anything about PA systems but it's probably about the same only bigger. I don't want to talk you out of getting an amp either..;-) It depends on your situation.....how you plan to use your guitar in the near future.

Posted by: draftzero Feb 22 2009, 07:23 AM

QUOTE (kahall @ Feb 22 2009, 12:16 AM) *
They can be used by themselves. I do not know anything about PA systems but it's probably about the same only bigger. I don't want to talk you out of getting an amp either..;-) It depends on your situation.....how you plan to use your guitar in the near future.


I guess the order of importance would be:

1. Sound (The best sound)
2. Recording (Just for fun... for vocals and guitar)
3. Possibly Gigging (probably not tho as my church's band that i just joined already has a system in place, but who knows i may need an extra amp, which i'm fine buying later on in the future)... I think the Studio Monitor would be my best option? I mean if i really had to, in theory, i could just lug the whole system (Monitor and Podxt) to gig right?)

Posted by: kahall Feb 22 2009, 07:33 AM

QUOTE (draftzero @ Feb 22 2009, 12:23 AM) *
[..]

I mean if i really had to, in theory, i could just lug the whole system (Monitor and Podxt) to gig right?)


Yes! I have a laptop, guitar port, and monitors and I can move quickly if I need to. You don't even need the laptop with the Podxt.

Posted by: draftzero Feb 22 2009, 07:58 AM

QUOTE (kahall @ Feb 22 2009, 12:33 AM) *
Yes! I have a laptop, guitar port, and monitors and I can move quickly if I need to. You don't even need the laptop with the Podxt.


Woot ok, that answers my question! I guess Studio Monitor it is... I guess PA system would be over doing it... especially if i'm not gonna be mainly performing...

*sigh* now time to research on which SM i should get.

Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Feb 22 2009, 12:58 PM

QUOTE (draftzero @ Feb 22 2009, 07:23 AM) *
I guess the order of importance would be:

1. Sound (The best sound)
2. Recording (Just for fun... for vocals and guitar)
3. Possibly Gigging (probably not tho as my church's band that i just joined already has a system in place, but who knows i may need an extra amp, which i'm fine buying later on in the future)... I think the Studio Monitor would be my best option? I mean if i really had to, in theory, i could just lug the whole system (Monitor and Podxt) to gig right?)


Hmm studio monitors won't be good for gigs, they are not that powerful and are meant to be used in studio or at home...For gigs you need to use an amp or possibly go from POD to speakers system club has in place where you are gigging.

If you have such a good home theater system I would try connecting from POD with appropriate cables and see if I like the sound I'm getting...Very possibly you will get a very good sound and be satisfied.

Usually when you are getting active studio monitors you want a good sound card to go with them too.


Posted by: dusty Feb 22 2009, 02:23 PM

I use my POD XT with my computer speakers plugged in the the headphone jack, works ok and is handy when i want to break from study or work but for a proper session i will use my amp. if you are going to use the main audio outputs from the POD then do use the right equiptment (monitors) or you will damage your speakers.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Feb 22 2009, 05:00 PM

You can use POD XT Live with various devices, here are some generalized clarifications:

POD XT Live with GUITAR AMP:
Since guitar amp speaker is basically a mid frequency device, the whole sound spectrum is note covered, so it doesn't give an actual representation of the sound that you put through him. For example if you plug in a CD player into guitar amp, the sound will be muffled and only in mids and lows, while lot of frequencies, specially the high end ones will be cut off. If you plug the POD device into guitar amp, which is a digital modeler, the sound will also be cut off in some areas, so you don't have exact representation of the modeling that the POD is creating. The sound will be there, but not too accurate. However guitar speakers are different in construction than other speakers, which means they are purposely build to handle high peaks that guitar amp can create when you play the guitar. This means the guitar speaker has lots of headroom and it is more robust, so you can crank it and nothing will happen to it, and you will have a better dynamic response playing a guitar.

POD XT Live with KEYBOARD AMPS OR PA GEAR:
Keyboard amps and PA gear have some things in common. They are made to represent and amplify the sound of keyboards, microphones, and all other gear to large SP levels in a fairly accurate manner. In other words they have robust speakers with robust power amplifiers that can cover the whole frequency range. If you play POD through Keyboard amp, or into Mixer and than PA system, you will hear the sound of the POD fairly accurately (depending on the quality of the gear of course), and get it to high SP levels. This solution is very good if you wanna use processor live, however, using robust audio devices at home on bedroom levels is overkill, and you loose the dynamics of the sound.

POD XT Live with Hi Fi Speakers (and Hi Fi amp):
Since Hi Fi speakers have good sound quality over the whole sound spectrum, all the subtle details of the POD device will be heard, so from that perspective it is good. But since these speakers are specifically made to have small amounts of headroom, unlike the guitar speakers, they are very sensitive when they get a peak from the amp. Also Hi Fi amps are not built to handle big signal peaks at input, they are made for to conform a line level signals from audio devices note instruments, so if you crank the POD loud enough, you can risk damaging the amp or speakers or both. But again, if you keep the volume at reasonable levels on POD, don't crank the preset or master volume too much, and instead of that use the volume on the Hi Fi amp, the sound will be good.

POD XT Live with STUDIO MONITORS:
Same story as with Hi Fi gear, except the purpose of studio monitors is to give neutral transparent sound of anything you feed them with. This is ideal for processors, so you can hear exact representation of the signal that is coming from POD. However, not all monitors are doing the job well, so the more you pay, the more you get, like always.

Recommendations for active studio monitors in 500-700$ range:

Tannoy Reveal 5A ~700$ pair


Mackie MR8 ~280$ each


Yamaha MSP5 Studio ~250$ each


JBL LSR2328P ~350$ each


Yamaha HS80M ~350$ each


I suggest the Yamaha HS80M pair

Posted by: draftzero Feb 22 2009, 09:34 PM

Thanks Ivan..

what you think of the http://www.guitarcenter.com/KRK-VXT-4-Powered-Studio-Monitor-104404777-i1175385.gc?


Must i get them in pairs or can I deal with just 1?

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Feb 22 2009, 11:01 PM

You need a pair of them for stereo image. It's of little use to buy one. I would suggest something with a bit bigger woofer, 4" sounds a bit small to me. I recommend Yamaha MSP5 Studio in that range.

cheers mate,

Posted by: draftzero Feb 23 2009, 06:16 AM

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Feb 22 2009, 04:01 PM) *
You need a pair of them for stereo image. It's of little use to buy one. I would suggest something with a bit bigger woofer, 4" sounds a bit small to me. I recommend Yamaha MSP5 Studio in that range.

cheers mate,


Well the plan was to buy one for now... mainly just for playing (no recording) and then eventually buy another one once i want to start recording... would that be alright? I mean playing with one monitor... in my head it would just operate like an amp right?

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 23 2009, 06:54 AM

QUOTE (draftzero @ Feb 23 2009, 05:16 AM) *
Well the plan was to buy one for now... mainly just for playing (no recording) and then eventually buy another one once i want to start recording... would that be alright? I mean playing with one monitor... in my head it would just operate like an amp right?


But you will need the speakers to listen to music from your computer as well since they will be your output source from the soundcard. You need L and R in order to listen music properly.

Posted by: draftzero Feb 23 2009, 07:03 AM

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Feb 22 2009, 11:54 PM) *
But you will need the speakers to listen to music from your computer as well since they will be your output source from the soundcard. You need L and R in order to listen music properly.


Oh...? I thought I could just hook up the PodXT Live to the Studio Monitor (for right now just the mono output) and it would be fine, until i get the whole system.... as of right now i'm not totally concerned with stereo sound or recording (as i'm not that good on the guitar yet)... i'd be fine with mono... just as long as the podxtlive/studio monitor (single) setup would work just as well as buying a new amp... (i figure since i have the podxt... buying a new amp would be redundant)

Posted by: 29a Feb 23 2009, 11:47 AM

One thing to consider: The speaker simulation of the podxt is imho not that great. It doesn't really give you the resonances and other craziness of guitar speakers. Now you can use the pod with a power amp and a guitar cab, which sounds better than through studio monitors. But it's also less flexible, as you won't be able to use the different speaker simulations of the pod anymore. Atomic Amps offers combos that have a tube power stage and guitar speakers but let you plug in a podxt for effects and amp modeling: www.atomicamps.com/.

Jonas

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Feb 23 2009, 11:51 AM

It could work for that purpose, of course mate. If you want to hear only mono sound from the POD and don't want to use them in recording at all, then buying one is OK I suppose.

Again I note the fact that monitors are designed in a similar fashion as Hi Fi audio gear. They have a certain threshold where they start to clip sharply. If you keep it bellow that threshold on both POD volume and monitor volume it will be OK.

Posted by: draftzero Feb 24 2009, 05:35 PM

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Feb 23 2009, 04:51 AM) *
It could work for that purpose, of course mate. If you want to hear only mono sound from the POD and don't want to use them in recording at all, then buying one is OK I suppose.

Again I note the fact that monitors are designed in a similar fashion as Hi Fi audio gear. They have a certain threshold where they start to clip sharply. If you keep it bellow that threshold on both POD volume and monitor volume it will be OK.


Thanks again Ivan, ya i'm just gonna get the studio monitors... i think they might work better for me as i'm mainly (95% of the time) going to be using them at home only at low to mid range volumes...

have you heard of the KRK Rokits? After digging around lots of people have been saying they are great compared to others... (around the $200 range... for single).




Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Feb 24 2009, 08:40 PM

Yes, Rokit series have great price/performance ratio, I've heard only good things about them, and have seen Rokit 8 in one high end studio as part of a main monitoring system, so I think they are a good buy. I think there are 3 models 5, 6, and 8, and they are all good, but I would recommend if you can pull out 6, or possibly 8, cause of the better frequency response.

Posted by: draftzero Feb 25 2009, 01:22 AM

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Feb 24 2009, 01:40 PM) *
Yes, Rokit series have great price/performance ratio, I've heard only good things about them, and have seen Rokit 8 in one high end studio as part of a main monitoring system, so I think they are a good buy. I think there are 3 models 5, 6, and 8, and they are all good, but I would recommend if you can pull out 6, or possibly 8, cause of the better frequency response.


Ya i think i'mma get the set of KRK Rokit Powered 8 G2. Thanks again Ivan you rock.

Posted by: Roadside Feb 25 2009, 09:42 AM

I don´t wanna start a new post, but this topic sounds pretty interesting for me, too.

I´m going to buy a Pod XT Live and I´ve got a budget of 800€ left - something like 1000 $.

At the moment I´m playing through a Marshall MG 100 DFX, that I never really liked. So I thought about putting the POD XT in front of the amp and just plug my guitar in to get a much better sound. Would it be like that? IMO the amp just cuts off high notes and high bends, I don´t know if it´s broken, but the sound is just not good for the price I payed.

So there are different ways to go:

1.) Buy a new amp and the POD
2.) Stay with the old amp and the POD
3.) Buy Studio Monitors and the POD ( as I jsut read )

I just need a really good sound for homepractice and recording @home.
I would also think about getting a new soundcard for a better quality recording.

What would you suggest? And can anyone tell me a bit more details about the MG 100 DFX than being a Stereo Combo with 100 Watt and a 1x12 speaker with 2 channels!? Maybe it´s just that I bought a really shitty amp some years ago?

Thanks!!

And cheers cool.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 25 2009, 10:12 AM

You can buy a lot of stuff for $1000. My soundcard is great and costs just about $70. It's EMU 0404. My monitors are Edirol MA-15D and they cost less than $200 (pair). Really good sound. Ivan did a good research for more monitor models (see previous posts). I use Amplitube 2 plugin for home playing and recording and that thing also works great. I don't need a POD. Guitar Rig 3 is also a good one. If you have a good computer with 2 or more GB of ram and a newer processor then you're good to go. Even 1GB will work ok. The amp is not going to help you much if you don't plan to play live. The setup I have is really loud enough. The only thing you might find unacceptable is that your computer needs to be on when you want to play smile.gif My one is on 24/7 so it's ok for me.

Posted by: Roadside Feb 25 2009, 10:18 AM

That´s pretty much the same in my case! biggrin.gif Uhm, it´s pretty funny you mention the computer, ´cause I just bought all things to build my own customized comp and it´s ready smile.gif So the 4Gb should be enough.

Did I understand you correctly? Your recording, the one I can hear in your lessons, is done with Amplitube 2 ( which is something like the POD? ) a pair of studio monitors and that soundcard?

thanks in advice:)

EDIT: Is it possible to play through the monitors and at the same time listen to music? So that I can play along?

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 25 2009, 10:52 AM

QUOTE (Roadside @ Feb 25 2009, 09:18 AM) *
Did I understand you correctly? Your recording, the one I can hear in your lessons, is done with Amplitube 2 ( which is something like the POD? ) a pair of studio monitors and that soundcard?


Amplitube 2 is just a software plug in that has pretty much all that POD has. Less cables in my room smile.gif Yes all my lessons are recorded using that plugin.

QUOTE
Is it possible to play through the monitors and at the same time listen to music? So that I can play along?


Of course you can smile.gif

Posted by: Roadside Feb 25 2009, 11:08 AM

Thank you very much, Emir. Sound pretty interesting and decent:) Gear is always hard to decide about though:(

EDIT: Another question! smile.gif My combo sounds better if i crank it up, as you probably know! How do the monitors work at low volumes?

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 25 2009, 12:08 PM

QUOTE (Roadside @ Feb 25 2009, 10:08 AM) *
Thank you very much, Emir. Sound pretty interesting and decent:) Gear is always hard to decide about though:(

EDIT: Another question! smile.gif My combo sounds better if i crank it up, as you probably know! How do the monitors work at low volumes?


The same as with the loud volume. They are not your amp, just the output device through wich you listen stuff. If you play it really loud they might distort a bit but that's just the speaker, not the actual input signal from your guitar.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Feb 25 2009, 12:48 PM

I agree with Emir, getting a reasonably good sound card, pair of monitors, and modeling software will be a lot better solution for you instead of getting the POD.

Marshall MG100 DFX is a Marshall amp that is not even being assembled in GB, so it's not the same quality as other Marshall amps. Also Marshall is known for that characteristic "buzzing" type of sound in it's tube legacy amps of the 60ties, 70ties, and 80ties, and solid state amps of today are definitely not something that can reproduce it. My best and most sincere advice that I can give you regarding the amp is to sell it and never loop back. If you do like British voicings, I advise you check out this:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--BLABH5HS
It's a EL84 tube 5 Watter, great for bedroom play.

As for recording 1000$ you really have a wide choice of options available, so I can possibly give you some recommendations:

EMU 1616m Audio Production System ~ 350e
http://www.thomann.de/de/emu_1616_pci.htm

what is great with this sound interface is that you have awesome bundle that comes with it: Cakewalk SONAR LE
Steinberg Cubase LE
Wavelab Lite
Ableton Live Lite 4 for E-MU
IK Multimedia AmpliTube LE
T-RackS EQ, Minnetonka
diskWelder BRONZE
SFX Machine LT
plus E-MU's Proteus X LE Desktop Sound Module


M-AUDIO BX5A DELUXE ~250e
http://www.thomann.de/de/maudio_bx5a_deluxe.htm

These are good monitors in the low budget category, but if you want you can stretch out a bit more and check out monitors in that previous post on the first page.


BTW, Since you have another 300e in your budget left, you can really get the premium stuff and buy a Guitar Rig 3 modeller fro 288e:

http://www.thomann.de/de/native_instruments_guitar_rig_3_software_ed_e.htm




This kind of gear will definitely raise the level of your audio quality, cause it is in the semi-professional category. In other words, people use this stuff in semi-pro studios.

Posted by: Roadside Feb 25 2009, 01:15 PM

Okay, okay, I´m a bit confused right now and overwhelmed by your help:)

I thought about the POD XT, a soundcard and the monitors... Ivan, you mentioned the Software guitar rig 3. Does it do the same job as the POD? Is it like a preamp with which I can create all the effects and sounds I like!?

About the Pod I especially liked the fact that you can use/download presets from other users. Is this possible with guitar rig 3, too? Probably it is!

The whole setup looks pretty difficult to deal with. May I get into it with a bit of work? I´ve realy no experience with recording until now.

Edit: Want to play stuff from Hardrock to Blues to Metal / Nu Metal Neo-Classical. I´m kind of into bands like Alter Bridge, Trivium, Guns n Roses and guitarists like moore, malmsteen. Just to show you what I´m looking for

and again thank you so much;)

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Feb 25 2009, 02:06 PM

I see your problem mate! biggrin.gif But don't worry, although it may seem a bit confusing, once you start working with the setup it all makes sense fast, and you will get use to it.
I just gave you some possibilities for 1000$ budget, which is a pretty good budget after all, so it's reasonable that you get a lot of good gear for it.

About Guitar Rig, I can safely say that it's one of the best software modelers. You can make presets, store presets, exchange presets with other users, have tuner, loop machine built in, and lots of other cool features, some of them not available with POD. You can even send signal from 1616m to the guitar amp and use Guitar Rig 3 effects as you would use POD.


Posted by: Roadside Feb 25 2009, 02:58 PM

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Feb 25 2009, 02:06 PM) *
I see your problem mate! biggrin.gif But don't worry, although it may seem a bit confusing, once you start working with the setup it all makes sense fast, and you will get use to it.
I just gave you some possibilities for 1000$ budget, which is a pretty good budget after all, so it's reasonable that you get a lot of good gear for it.

About Guitar Rig, I can safely say that it's one of the best software modelers. You can make presets, store presets, exchange presets with other users, have tuner, loop machine built in, and lots of other cool features, some of them not available with POD. You can even send signal from 1616m to the guitar amp and use Guitar Rig 3 effects as you would use POD.


So after all, it´s hard to test these things in a musicstore all together:D What would you suggest? Get them and try them out? It´s a bit risky smile.gif



Posted by: draftzero Feb 25 2009, 06:56 PM

Gah! I wish I knew about guitar rig way back before i bought my pod...

I might buy a soundcard so I can have it rigged up as you guys discussed... and contemplate on why i would even need to keep my podxt. I mean its not like i even gig or what not...

I might get this:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/KRK-KRK-Monitor-and-Mic-Package-B-483367-i1400870.gc

and

the EMU 0404 that Emir suggested.

Posted by: tonymiro Feb 25 2009, 07:02 PM

QUOTE (Roadside @ Feb 25 2009, 02:58 PM) *
So after all, it´s hard to test these things in a musicstore all together:D What would you suggest? Get them and try them out? It´s a bit risky smile.gif


You can very often get a trial version of the major pieces of software. NI's GR3 is http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=guitarrig3 (click the 'demo' link in the LHS menu bar and then fill in your details) smile.gif .

Posted by: Roadside Feb 25 2009, 07:55 PM

Hm, I just went to my local musicstore and discussed the topic with a friend of mine there.

He told me that I would not get a real better sound by POD XT or Guitar Rig and Monitors nor with my MG and POD XT. He suggested to spend a bit more money and showed me the Marshall JVM 215c Combo. It just blew me away! What a nice sound!! Though the price is pretty high with 1300-1400€. He told me that it might be stupid to buy a POD XT to improve my sound for like 5%-10% instead of keeping the money and get "the real sound". I may regret the 400€ for the POD XT in 2 years, if I would get a good tube amp in the future anyway.

What do you think about the JVM?

I´m CONFUSED=(

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 25 2009, 08:31 PM

He is right but you will still need a sound card, monitors and Guitar Rig if you want to record smile.gif If you want to record with that amp then you don't need Guitar Rig but a microphone. Also you would need to tell neighbours to get ready for some serious noise smile.gif In order to get a good sound from an amp you need to play it quite loud.

Posted by: Roadside Feb 25 2009, 08:53 PM

Living in the cellar:) But afaik they are better at low volumes, too..

Posted by: draftzero Feb 25 2009, 09:10 PM

Well to me this is how I look at it:

Marshall JVM 215c:
Good
- Top notch sound (mono)
- Well rounded capabilities
- Looping
- Portable (for lugging around)
- Can get loud (but do you really need to?)
Bad
- Recording Capabilities? (not sure... doesn't look like it tho)
- Expensive
- Probably will require maintenance in future (tube amps...)


Sound Card (or Podxt)/Studio Monitors/Guitar Rig:
Good
- Overwhelming amount of effects/amp/capabilities (obviously more than marshall)
- Studio Recording Capabilities
- Decent Sound (Stereo)
- Affordable biggrin.gif (Emir's setup would run you around 500-600...)

Bad
- Can't get really loud
- Certain points will cut out (based on what Ivan was talking about)
- Not really portable (compared to an amp)

For my uses.. i think this would be fine... its not like i'm gonna ever be gigging.

Do you guys know if Guitar Rig works with the podxt? I mean can i still try out the effects and what not?

Posted by: Roadside Feb 25 2009, 09:27 PM

But did you ever play on such a Marshall? I mean it´s realy just MINDBLOWING!

I can´t imagine that I´ll get such a sound with something that models amps. But I´m not too experienced in this. My way of thinkin´ is based on what I´ve heard.

Posted by: draftzero Feb 25 2009, 10:20 PM

No never played, but i've heard what they sound like biggrin.gif...

Again... for me i like having the extra cash to buy other stuff... and the only thing i really expect out of my Studio Monitors is no/low noise... basically i want decent cleans... at least better than what i get out of my frontman lol.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Feb 26 2009, 03:29 PM

QUOTE (Roadside @ Feb 25 2009, 09:27 PM) *
But did you ever play on such a Marshall? I mean it´s realy just MINDBLOWING!

I can´t imagine that I´ll get such a sound with something that models amps. But I´m not too experienced in this. My way of thinkin´ is based on what I´ve heard.



Here's my view on the whole thing mate:

I have Marshall JCM 2000 TSL601 for live use. It's a decent and flexible all tube amp with 3 channels that has a DI Out (which I never use at home). It can be played at home, and I use it for practice before gigs, and for occasional playing, but the sound is not that good, unless you crank it hard. And since I've played almost 10 years now here in the apartment, my neighbours got used to hearing all that terrible moaning and scretching, so I play pretty loud, I crank the tubes so I get at least some dynamics out of them, but it's not enough really - so for any serious practicing I have to go into the studio, and carry my amp there, so I can make the sound I want for gigs. The settings change quite a bit when you crank it so you have to find new sound all together, tweak the EQ, balance the volume on channels, even reverb and all my effects act a bit differently on higher volume.

For home recording, I have EMU 1212m system, very similar to that 1616m, except 1212m doesn't have the external dock with preamps and a bit less features (less I/O support). I had to get separate mic preamp and DI box. I use Guitar Rig at the moment for all recording purposes on the PC, because it's easy and plug and play, and it is a hassle for me to turn on the amp and let it warm up every time I wanna record something. Yes the sound is better, but it's a hassle, and Guitar Rig is not that bad - you can make a preset that sounds very decent for home recording, so practically tube amp is a bit of a overkill for plug&play home recording purposes if you ask me. If I had some flexible tube preamp like Marshall JMP1 I would possibly use it more often to get the Marshall sound right, but the use of the whole amp is an overkill IMO, unless you really want to record Marshall sound and nothing else. With Guitar Rig I can have all kinds of sounds on a very decent level.

I agree that both things should be bought for different purposes, but what is the most important thing when spending you hard earned money is the USE of that gear. So think hard, and try to imagine if you would use the amp that often for live use and studio playing so you really need it. Also imagine if you really use that often a proper sound card+guitar rig+monitors system for audio recording. What you will use more often is I think what you should consider getting mate.

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 26 2009, 05:54 PM

I agree with Ivan here 100%.

Posted by: Roadside Feb 26 2009, 06:22 PM

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Feb 26 2009, 03:29 PM) *
Here's my view on the whole thing mate:

I have Marshall JCM 2000 TSL601 for live use. It's a decent and flexible all tube amp with 3 channels that has a DI Out (which I never use at home). It can be played at home, and I use it for practice before gigs, and for occasional playing, but the sound is not that good, unless you crank it hard. And since I've played almost 10 years now here in the apartment, my neighbours got used to hearing all that terrible moaning and scretching, so I play pretty loud, I crank the tubes so I get at least some dynamics out of them, but it's not enough really - so for any serious practicing I have to go into the studio, and carry my amp there, so I can make the sound I want for gigs. The settings change quite a bit when you crank it so you have to find new sound all together, tweak the EQ, balance the volume on channels, even reverb and all my effects act a bit differently on higher volume.

For home recording, I have EMU 1212m system, very similar to that 1616m, except 1212m doesn't have the external dock with preamps and a bit less features (less I/O support). I had to get separate mic preamp and DI box. I use Guitar Rig at the moment for all recording purposes on the PC, because it's easy and plug and play, and it is a hassle for me to turn on the amp and let it warm up every time I wanna record something. Yes the sound is better, but it's a hassle, and Guitar Rig is not that bad - you can make a preset that sounds very decent for home recording, so practically tube amp is a bit of a overkill for plug&play home recording purposes if you ask me. If I had some flexible tube preamp like Marshall JMP1 I would possibly use it more often to get the Marshall sound right, but the use of the whole amp is an overkill IMO, unless you really want to record Marshall sound and nothing else. With Guitar Rig I can have all kinds of sounds on a very decent level.

I agree that both things should be bought for different purposes, but what is the most important thing when spending you hard earned money is the USE of that gear. So think hard, and try to imagine if you would use the amp that often for live use and studio playing so you really need it. Also imagine if you really use that often a proper sound card+guitar rig+monitors system for audio recording. What you will use more often is I think what you should consider getting mate.


You´re right. Thanks again for the work you put into your posts. I didn´t record often until now, ´cause I´m playing a lot with friends of mine, who can give me the critique or the support I need to notice what´s wrong with my playing! So first of all I´ll get the tubeamp. And then I´ll save money for some months and see what can be done to record the tubeampsound in its best way smile.gif

I hope everything will work fine, I´m excited laugh.gif

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Feb 26 2009, 07:22 PM

No prob mate, we're here to help. Glad to hear you are getting tube amp, and let us know what you got! Buying a new amp is always cool! smile.gif

Posted by: Roadside Feb 26 2009, 08:17 PM

I´ll have a small audition with Zakk at 9 o´clock - We´ll see if he has got some advices after buying the stack smile.gif

Posted by: draftzero Feb 27 2009, 05:12 AM

Hehe... you're going the amp way.. i'm going w/ studio monitors... I'm getting the KRK RP6 pair... they also come with mic, cables, stands... 400 US bones.

So do you guys know if Guitar Rig would work with this setup? Connecting Studio Monitors -> PodXTL USB-> Computer

Or will i need to buy a Sound Card to use Guitar Rig? (was thinking 1212m)

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 27 2009, 06:48 AM

QUOTE (draftzero @ Feb 27 2009, 04:12 AM) *
Hehe... you're going the amp way.. i'm going w/ studio monitors... I'm getting the KRK RP6 pair... they also come with mic, cables, stands... 400 US bones.

So do you guys know if Guitar Rig would work with this setup? Connecting Studio Monitors -> PodXTL USB-> Computer

Or will i need to buy a Sound Card to use Guitar Rig? (was thinking 1212m)


1212 will take care of the input latency and good sound output while the power of your computer processor is used for Guitar Rig real time processing. You don't need POD for this setup but you can still use it if you like its sounds.

Posted by: Roadside Feb 27 2009, 10:21 AM

As far as I know, about the XT and GR3 you just need one of these things. Especially if you play with Monitors. The POD might be more useful in front of an amp, because you can´t have a software running in front of your amp afaik:D

anyway good luck and have fun with your new gear smile.gif

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Feb 27 2009, 03:04 PM

As Emir said 1212m will take care of the latency and ensure that you hear what you play in real time. Also sound quality will be better. But Guitar Rig is using CPU for processing. Any dual core will do the job nicely. However when I transferred from Toneport UX1 to 1212m card, I did notice improvement in Guitar Rig performance. I can't say for sure if this has something to do with the new card, but it definitely feels like it takes a lot less to drive the Guitar Rig. I couldn't even use all the presets before if they had too many components, and now I can use all of them no problem.

Posted by: draftzero Feb 28 2009, 08:42 AM

Cool deal... thanks for the input. Initially i just want to try guitar rig.. w/o a soundcard... my computer is a beast... so i think it will handle it just fine (processing wise).

Maybe later down the road ill get a soundcard.

Posted by: draftzero Mar 11 2009, 06:01 AM

Just got my KRK Rokit 6 Pair... it also came with some additional accessories, 2 mics, cables, stands and headphones. $400 +shipping

I AM SO HAPPY WITH IT! It sounds so much better than what i had before (frontman 15)

clears come in crystal w/o any hiss or noise...

only thing i don't like about em is that you have to turn em off manually (each one)... i remedied this by hooking everything up to a powerswitch...


Thanks to everyone for there inputs... especially you IVAN THANKS!

Posted by: Roadside Mar 11 2009, 06:13 AM

Hey Draft, congrats so you finaly got there too smile.gif Enjoy your new gear!

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 11 2009, 09:13 AM

Cool man, now you're ready to rock smile.gif

Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Mar 11 2009, 09:36 PM

QUOTE (draftzero @ Mar 11 2009, 06:01 AM) *
Just got my KRK Rokit 6 Pair... it also came with some additional accessories, 2 mics, cables, stands and headphones. $400 +shipping

I AM SO HAPPY WITH IT! It sounds so much better than what i had before (frontman 15)

clears come in crystal w/o any hiss or noise...

only thing i don't like about em is that you have to turn em off manually (each one)... i remedied this by hooking everything up to a powerswitch...


Thanks to everyone for there inputs... especially you IVAN THANKS!


That's a great piece of gear man!! Glad you got it!! May it serve you well! smile.gif

Posted by: helo92 Mar 11 2009, 10:01 PM

Is it possible to record with PODxt without a soundcard??

Posted by: Fran Mar 11 2009, 10:06 PM

QUOTE (helo92 @ Mar 11 2009, 10:01 PM) *
Is it possible to record with PODxt without a soundcard??


PodXT is a soundcard, when you plug in to your computer it becomes the soundcard, so yes smile.gif

Posted by: helo92 Mar 11 2009, 10:08 PM

thanks smile.gif

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Mar 12 2009, 12:32 AM

QUOTE (draftzero @ Mar 11 2009, 06:01 AM) *
Just got my KRK Rokit 6 Pair... it also came with some additional accessories, 2 mics, cables, stands and headphones. $400 +shipping

I AM SO HAPPY WITH IT! It sounds so much better than what i had before (frontman 15)

clears come in crystal w/o any hiss or noise...

only thing i don't like about em is that you have to turn em off manually (each one)... i remedied this by hooking everything up to a powerswitch...


Thanks to everyone for there inputs... especially you IVAN THANKS!


It's my pleasure to help mate, cheers smile.gif

Posted by: blindwillie Nov 19 2009, 08:46 AM

Very good explanation of the different speakers. Thanks Ivan, I haven't seen this thread before

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