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Jun 3 2009, 05:53 PM
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Since I'm getting a tube amp soon, I'm thinking about getting some stomp boxes, and wonder which one swould be good, here' what I was thinking:
Boss chorus (there are two, I don' know which one sounds best) Boss delay DD7 Those two I know are good. Now comes the hard part: The amp is a Vox Ac4tv. I guess it won't have enough gain to play metal. Maybe enough for AC/DC, maybe even enough for Maiden too. Now, what would be a good pedal to push it a bit further into high gain territory? Would an overdrive be enough?.. I've thought of a tubescreamer, metal muff, maybe even a DF-7. I don't like boss MT2 much. And the last thing, and this is where I'm totally lost, what would be a good reverb? -------------------- Guitars:
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Jun 3 2009, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Jun 3 2009, 07:15 PM)  -Why buy the Ac4tv? To play a cranked tube amp at home? 4 Watts are still too loud cranked for home use, believe me, even the 1watt switch doesn't help much... It also has a 0.25 Watts option  That's the main reason I'm getting the vox. Besides I don't usually play high gain stuff, just now and then try some buckethead or GMC high gain lesson, but a maiden-like distortion is what I use the most even in my POD. I'd get a JCM800 if only I could crank it  QUOTE (VictorUK @ Jun 3 2009, 07:29 PM) Metal Muff and Metal Zone wouldnt suit this amp at all imo, when buying pedals you have to stay within the realms of the amp otherwise it will sound rubbish... I'll have to try them first then. I mean I don't expect it to sound like a triple rectifier , just add some more punch in certain occasions.
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Jun 3 2009, 07:24 PM
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Can heartily recommend the Hardwire RV-7 reverb mate, their other pedals are looking very good too (The delay is an award winner here) check 'em out!!
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Jun 3 2009, 08:09 PM
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I got an EBS Dynaverb today, havn't tested it yet but got a good deal on it in the shop so I grabbed it. It's a premium brand so my guess is that it's good. I'll let you know.
I was on the hunt for the Digitech hardwired one but they didn't carry it. Hi-gain distortion pedals isn't my strong side but if I needed one I'd get the Rat2 pedal or the two Marshall dist pedals, one for vintage and the other for modern dist. A delay is a must. I guess any will do. I'm using one from Ibanez - delay/echo A Wah is fun ;-) -------------------- My bands homepage
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Jun 3 2009, 10:40 PM
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With Boss you can expect transparency - the sound will come out with effect but not affected too much.
Boss Chorus is good choice, not the best but very solid for first buy, I had Boss CE5 Chorus Ensemble. It's digital chorus, and sounds good on clean. It's not a deep chorus, it's mainly for spicing up your clean work a bit with some thin shimmer. Where this stomp shines is on drive channel in the FX loop. It goes along with overdrive great, and you can get excellent fusion sounds. Think Eric Johnson. Regarding DD7 I don't really know. I've used DD3 and it's great. Very very solid digital delay with nice almost warm sound. Very precise and transparent delay effect. DD7 can only be even better. Regarding overdrive and reverb pedals, the choice is veeeeery wide. Can you first tell us the budget for it? This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Jun 3 2009, 10:41 PM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Jun 3 2009, 10:50 PM
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For overdrive/distortion I'd go for Goudie FX Pedals
I just ordered some, and I got the same Vox as you as well.. They also got great Chorus, Compressor, Boost etc. I got to try them out and... Wow!  Check out the homepage: http://www.goudiefx.com/ Listen to the soundclips on each pedal too, great clips
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Jun 3 2009, 11:57 PM
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Thanks all for your input, lots of ideas there
One thing I didn't mention is that I'm a bit concerned about the pedals not "sucking" my tone. I have a crybaby wah which literally eats half the tone away when switched off  Not nice.So I wonder if boss, etc., pedals have true bypass. QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jun 3 2009, 11:40 PM) ...I had Boss CE5 Chorus Ensemble. It's digital chorus... ... choice is veeeeery wide. Can you first tell us the budget for it?... Now that you mention that, if Boss chorus & delay are both digital, why not use a digital multifx like ME-70 then? Isn't the "holy analog" chain broken, if you know what I mean? As for budget, around 80/120 euros per stomp I guess. Although I could spend a bit more on a good distortion if it's really worth it. I guess I'll take my time, slowly building a nice collection. Unless I end up choosing the easy way: ME-70 hehehehe. It's tempting. I love the convenience of changing patches instantly. -------------------- Guitars:
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Jun 4 2009, 12:33 AM
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Fran,
if your budget per stomp is 100Euros or so and you are looking at individual reverb, DDL and chorus pedals (plus a distortion) - 300 just for time processing - then maybe look at a rack effect like a TC Major. If you don't want a rack effect then for bypass consider putting them on to a bypass loop pedal like a Radial loop controller. Boss make one as well, though I can't remember the model number off hand. Distortion - for 100 plus Keeley modded TS09, Snarling Dogs Black Dog, Maxon OD9, and as Micke suggested Proco Rat. More overdrive and less distortion - Keeley modded Blues Driver or Fulltone OCD. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Jun 4 2009, 04:29 AM
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I have to say, I am loving the ME-70. You really should try to see one in person, I think you would be happy with it. The delay is dead quiet, as are the other sections. The secondary delay, which allows you to use the looper and delay at the same time is very cool. Even on the the highest gain settings, the noise level is lower than any other box I've got.
If you would like to hear examples of specific settings, I'd be happy to post them. This goes for anyone reading here. It also has a "solo" boost setting which should be perfect for driving tubes into the sweet spot. This post has been edited by jdriver: Jun 4 2009, 04:34 AM -------------------- "I dreamed a lot when I was younger.. I'm older now but still I hunger For some understanding. There's no understanding, now. Was there ever? ...Joe Puerta (Ambrosia)... Finally got a YouTube page going. |
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Jun 4 2009, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE One thing I didn't mention is that I'm a bit concerned about the pedals not "sucking" my tone. I have a crybaby wah which literally eats half the tone away when switched off Not nice.So I wonder if boss, etc., pedals have true bypass. I don't think Boss pedals have true bypass, possibly some of them, but I never really experienced problems with sucking the tone, I don't think it is something to worry about if you keep number of stomps bellow bellow 4-5. It depends on the pedals of course, but with Boss you're probably safe. QUOTE Now that you mention that, if Boss chorus & delay are both digital, why not use a digital multifx like ME-70 then? Isn't the "holy analog" chain broken, if you know what I mean? Because the sound is much better. Holy analog chain is something that is not for everyone tho, and lots of people that are searching for it don't even know what they are searching. With complete analog signal path you will get very warm tone full of (sought after) artifacts. Digital units offer precision and transparency as oposed to analog ones. Can't compare them they are different, you can just combine the best of both worlds. QUOTE As for budget, around 80/120 euros per stomp I guess. Although I could spend a bit more on a good distortion if it's really worth it. I guess I'll take my time, slowly building a nice collection. If you are searching for a nice overdrive pedal, check out products of several different companies like MXR, Fulltone, Boss, Radial.For starters I don't recommend any boutique overdrive pedals cause if you don't know exactly what you are looking for it is best to stay away from them cause they are expencive and can turn into a bad shopping very quickly. All of these companies have nice pedals and you simply have to try them in the store yourself, preferences are extremely different as far as overdriven tone goes with humans. So it is best to check out whats out there and how it sounds and then choose the best one for you. let us know if you need any more questions mate. Cheer QUOTE Unless I end up choosing the easy way: ME-70 hehehehe. It's tempting. I love the convenience of changing patches instantly. ALthough the sound is not that great with multiFX units they are very convenient, and people often use them just because of this great option. So considering this and comparing with stomps is not a mistake, just see what will finish the job the best for you. ME-70 does have decent effects but don't expect good distortion/overdrive, specially if you play loud. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Jun 4 2009, 10:46 AM
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I guess I will have to spend a while trying diffrent pedals!
The problem is, as many as my local shop carries, there will be some they don't have. So I might try a distortion I like but always doubt wether any of the other recommendations you guys suggested would have been better. Buying online is a bit risky. Sound samples vary depending on the guitar/amp. I guess I'll have to give the ME70 a try too. I don't play loud, I play at home, so I play as loud as I can without bothering my neighbours (or going deaf myself ). -------------------- Guitars:
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Jun 4 2009, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE (Fran @ Jun 4 2009, 11:46 AM) I guess I'll have to give the ME70 a try too. The ME70 could be a solution for effects like Chorus, Delay, Flanger etc. But forget about distortion, that just has to be analog. Now... I'd put the ME70 in the loop and Wah + distortion infront of the amp. What puzzles me a bit is that this amp hasn't got a loop, right, so you'd have to put the analog dist before the ME70. I'm not so sure about this.. that's something I'd try out before doing. Never mixed analog effects with a digital myself but I'm in doubt 
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Jun 4 2009, 01:36 PM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Jun 4 2009, 12:17 PM) The ME70 could be a solution for effects like Chorus, Delay, Flanger etc. But forget about distortion, that just has to be analog. Now... I'd put the ME70 in the loop and Wah + distortion infront of the amp. What puzzles me a bit is that this amp hasn't got a loop, right, so you'd have to put the analog dist before the ME70. I'm not so sure about this.. that's something I'd try out before doing. Never mixed analog effects with a digital myself but I'm in doubt That's exactly what I was thinking, and I have the same doubt... would a dist stomp work before the ME70? Who knows... Not very well I guess And that's why effect loops exist, you see, I'm learning so much even BEFORE I receive the amp -------------------- Guitars:
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Jun 6 2009, 11:36 PM
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QUOTE (Fran @ Jun 4 2009, 02:36 PM) That's exactly what I was thinking, and I have the same doubt... would a dist stomp work before the ME70? Who knows... Not very well I guess And that's why effect loops exist, you see, I'm learning so much even BEFORE I receive the amp If the amp doesn't have FX loop you can use ME70 only on clean settings on the amp. For overdriven sound you will need a OD stomp, and it should work nicely before ME70, but not sure how the transients will sound after going through AD/DA converters of ME70. Digital unit is a digital unit, and ME70 is not hi grade unit. It doesn keep a signal transparent so you will probably not notice that much of a difference in tone, but the subtle difference is there. Fran, my man, first check out stomps in shops, then see what you like/dislike. There are couple of stomps that you should definitely tryout as they often serve as reference to other stomps out there. Even if you do not need them, try them out, it will definitely be a valuable experience. those are: Boss DS1 Boss SD1 Boss MT2 Boss OD1 EHX Big Muff TS9 (if you have a chance, TS808 or modded versions) Fulltone OCD -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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