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Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 17 2008, 02:02 AM

Why do people think these are good quality guitars? EVERY SINGLE dean ive ever played, all 26 of the, have had something break WHILE IM PLAYING THEM. blink.gif and dont even get my started on the razorbacks, made in china? huh.gif forget it. im highly doubtfull that dime actually designed these things, and if he did he would be disappointed. so please, why are these things considered good?

Posted by: bsamn Feb 17 2008, 08:04 PM

Hey,

Hmm.... unsure.gif
Are u sure they were not low end models, i mean im sure the higher ones are very good.
A friend of mine bought a dean a year back, i played on it, and wasnt all that bad.
I mean im sure people wont just buy just like that.
Though im not big fan of dean, im sure they make some mighty fine guitars.

Posted by: visi0n Feb 17 2008, 08:10 PM

never played on the Dean guitars, i dont like the shape of the guitar himself .. so but i need to try one someday XD

Posted by: Pavel Feb 17 2008, 08:12 PM

Dean wouldn't have all those artists having their signature models made by Dean if it sucked so am 100% sure it was your bad luck smile.gif

Posted by: xucphra Feb 17 2008, 08:14 PM

I get what you mean. All the Deans I have played never seem.....right.

Posted by: SLASH91 Feb 17 2008, 08:49 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 17 2008, 01:12 PM) *
Dean wouldn't have all those artists having their signature models made by Dean if it sucked so am 100% sure it was your bad luck smile.gif


+1

Michael Angelo Batio, Rusty Cooley, Nile, The Scheckner Brothers, the list goes on and on. They can't be all bad.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 17 2008, 08:53 PM

Dean guitars are some of the worst guitars out there.

Posted by: swingline Feb 17 2008, 09:05 PM

QUOTE (SLASH91 @ Feb 17 2008, 11:49 AM) *
+1

Michael Angelo Batio, Rusty Cooley, Nile, The Scheckner Brothers, the list goes on and on. They can't be all bad.

+2 Don't forget Dime and Dave Mustaine. And I think Deans are great, but I did notice that at Guitar Center they are often very messed up because people who know nothing about guitars are instantly attracted to them and screw something up. I would say they're of the same quality as any other main stream company.

Posted by: Pavel Feb 17 2008, 09:06 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 17 2008, 08:53 PM) *
Dean guitars are some of the worst guitars out there.



laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Now that's the most argumented post i've ever seen laugh.gif laugh.gif If you are saying something THAT GENERAL at least post some "proof".

I'm sorry but the word of MAB and Rusty to me means a lot if you ask about shredding and Dean guitars wink.gif

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 17 2008, 09:09 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 17 2008, 08:06 PM) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Now that's the most argumented post i've ever seen laugh.gif laugh.gif If you are saying something THAT GENERAL at least post some "proof".

I'm sorry but the word of MAB and Rusty to me means a lot if you ask about shredding and Dean guitars wink.gif

Lets all buy Dean guitars just because Dimebag played one. They are useless pieces of junk and making money off a dead man. That is nice of them. I hate Dean with a Passion. I hope they go bankrupt and then at least they can't sell guitars that Dimebag would be embarrassed by.

Others may feel different. That is my opinion.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 17 2008, 09:10 PM

their playing on custom shop models. im mainly talking about the razorbacks and any of the other models dean has put out to make money off a dead man. if you want i could link all the deans ive played. in my opinion theyre just overpriced junk.

Posted by: swingline Feb 17 2008, 09:12 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 17 2008, 12:09 PM) *
Lets all buy Dean guitars just because Dimebag played one. They are useless pieces of junk and making money off a dead man. That is nice of them. I hate Dean with a Passion. I hope they go bankrupt and then at least they can't sell guitars that Dimebag would be embarrassed by.

Others may feel different. That is my opinion.


People turned towards Dean even long before Dimebag. For goodness sake, Kansas plays Dean Guitars.

Posted by: Pavel Feb 17 2008, 09:13 PM

Did i ever say a word about Dimebag?

Vinnie Moore just got his signature model this year and i wouldn't say he's a guy who would play a "piece of junk" wink.gif
Is MAB the guy who plays a piece of junk? Or Rusty? I don't think so...and as SLASH91 said: "The list goes on!"


Talking about Guitar Centers - even JEM sucks at guitar center because it is off the wall after all the transportation and temperature changes. I bought my JEM with an aweful setup, but after i got it home and did my own setup it turned into a shred-machine smile.gif

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 17 2008, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (swingline @ Feb 17 2008, 08:12 PM) *
People turned towards Dean even long before Dimebag. For goodness sake, Kansas plays Dean Guitars.

Well not me. I stay well clear.

Posted by: Pavel Feb 17 2008, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 17 2008, 09:10 PM) *
their playing on custom shop models. im mainly talking about the razorbacks and any of the other models dean has put out to make money off a dead man. if you want i could link all the deans ive played. in my opinion theyre just overpriced junk.


I never look at low-priced guitars because in my opinion, the only low-priced guitar that is good is Ibanez RG series.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 17 2008, 09:15 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 17 2008, 08:13 PM) *
Did i ever say a word about Dimebag?

Vinnie Moore just got his signature model this year and i wouldn't say he's a guy who would play a "piece of junk" wink.gif
Is MAB the guy who plays a piece of junk? Or Rusty? I don't think so...and as SLASH91 said: "The list goes on!"


Talking about Guitar Centers - even JEM sucks at guitar center because it is off the wall after all the transportation and temperature changes. I bought my JEM with an aweful setup, but after i got it home and did my own setup it turned into a shred-machine smile.gif

They probably just couldn't get an artist model from anybody else. biggrin.gif

Posted by: swingline Feb 17 2008, 09:16 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 17 2008, 12:14 PM) *
I never look at low-priced guitars because in my opinion, the only low-priced guitar that is good is Ibanez RG series.


What is your definition of "low-priced"?

Posted by: SLASH91 Feb 17 2008, 09:16 PM

Look at all of these http://www.deanguitars.com/home.php, There's no way that they can be pieces of crap.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 17 2008, 09:16 PM

Seriously, for $1,100 a razorback should be made in the U.S.A and have an original floyd rose, not some crappy tremolo arm made in china by prepubescent children shackled to chairs working for 12 cents an hour.
Edit:all those artists are playing on custom shop models. maybe dean should just cater to pros!

Posted by: Pavel Feb 17 2008, 09:17 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 17 2008, 09:15 PM) *
They probably just couldn't get an artist model from anybody else. biggrin.gif


Rusty had his contracts with Jackson and Ibanez, MAB had 3 of his signature guitars made by Charvel so i think your theory is falling apart wink.gif

Posted by: Pavel Feb 17 2008, 09:17 PM

QUOTE (swingline @ Feb 17 2008, 09:16 PM) *
What is your definition of "low-priced"?


Everything below 500$

Posted by: SLASH91 Feb 17 2008, 09:19 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 17 2008, 02:15 PM) *
They probably just couldn't get an artist model from anybody else. biggrin.gif


Yeah, I'm sure that Dave Mustaine couldn't get his artist model with any one else. tongue.gif

I mean come on, I watched an interview in which he said that Deans were the best guitars that he had ever played, And he has played a guitar from like every major company out there. I'm not saying that he's right, but it's a professional ooppinion. smile.gif

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 17 2008, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 17 2008, 03:17 PM) *
Everything below 500$

my jackson is priced $450 and its not crap.
ANOTHER edit; again, all these artists are playing CUSTOM MADE GUITARS.

Posted by: swingline Feb 17 2008, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 17 2008, 12:17 PM) *
Everything below 500$


Alright I thought you meant like $1200.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 17 2008, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 17 2008, 08:17 PM) *
Rusty had his contracts with Jackson and Ibanez, MAB had 3 of his signature guitars made by Charvel so i think your theory is falling apart wink.gif

I was just joking tongue.gif I really dislike Dean. A lot of artists use Dimebag guitars and it annoys me. Those other custom artists don't but they have their own custom guitars. The standard series of Dean are poor quality instruments I always find. I much prefer my Parker and Caparison guitars as they always seem to be lovingly crafted and are worth every penny.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 17 2008, 09:21 PM

QUOTE (SLASH91 @ Feb 17 2008, 08:19 PM) *
Yeah, I'm sure that Dave Mustaine couldn't get his artist model with any one else. tongue.gif

I mean come on, I watched an interview in which he said that Deans were the best guitars that he had ever played, And he has played a guitar from like every major company out there. I'm not saying that he's right, but it's a professional ooppinion. smile.gif

Again I was just joking but Dave has probably annoyed every other company to the point of them not dealing with him tongue.gif He's been through every company smile.gif I love Megadeth and Dave but he can be annoying at times biggrin.gif

Posted by: swingline Feb 17 2008, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 17 2008, 12:16 PM) *
Seriously, for $1,100 a razorback should be made in the U.S.A and have an original floyd rose, not some crappy tremolo arm made in china by prepubescent children shackled to chairs working for 12 cents an hour.


Those are Licensed Double-Locking Floyd Rose. I pulled it right of the site.

Posted by: SLASH91 Feb 17 2008, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 17 2008, 02:21 PM) *
I love Megadeth and Dave but he can be annoying at times biggrin.gif


Tis true tongue.gif

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 17 2008, 09:27 PM

QUOTE (swingline @ Feb 17 2008, 03:24 PM) *
Those are Licensed Double-Locking Floyd Rose. I pulled it right of the site.

their made by Ping in china. i talked with a tech at guitar center while he had an explosion razorback pulled apart. the tremolos are complete crap, although im surprised deans site doesnt say "official floyd rose". i have a real floyd rose, theres a HUGE difference.

Posted by: swingline Feb 17 2008, 09:30 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 17 2008, 12:27 PM) *
their made by Ping in china. i talked with a tech at guitar center while he had an explosion razorback pulled apart. the tremolos are complete crap, although im surprised deans site doesnt say "official floyd rose". i have a real floyd rose, theres a HUGE difference.


I have a real FL and there is no difference.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 17 2008, 09:35 PM

QUOTE (swingline @ Feb 17 2008, 03:30 PM) *
I have a real FL and there is no difference.

Really? its made by floyd rose corporation? the chinese made ones are made of low quality metal and warp after repeated use. i know someone whose razorback's floyd rose warped and broke after 2 weeks. there is no way a chinese product will ever match an american one.

Posted by: SLASH91 Feb 17 2008, 09:37 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:35 PM) *
there is no way a chinese product will ever match an american one.



I do agree with that...

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 17 2008, 09:39 PM

im not trying to start a war here, im just stating my opinion. i really dont like dean. now im going to go eat some toast, feel free to flame me while im gone.

Posted by: Pavel Feb 17 2008, 09:45 PM

I'll let you know how my RC7 works and plays after i get it wink.gif

Posted by: SLASH91 Feb 17 2008, 09:46 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 17 2008, 02:45 PM) *
I'll let you know how my RC7 works and plays after i get it wink.gif


When are you supposed to get that, Pavel?

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 17 2008, 09:47 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 17 2008, 08:45 PM) *
I'll let you know how my RC7 works and plays after i get it wink.gif

The RC7 is a good model tongue.gif



biggrin.gif

Posted by: SLASH91 Feb 17 2008, 09:51 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 17 2008, 02:47 PM) *
The RC7 is a good model tongue.gif



biggrin.gif


That's pretty hillarious laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Pavel Feb 17 2008, 09:58 PM

Oh i love those! wub.gif

But mine is a bit more expensive wink.gif tongue.gif laugh.gif


EDIT: spelling

Posted by: at lights end Feb 17 2008, 10:13 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 17 2008, 08:45 PM) *
I'll let you know how my RC7 works and plays after i get it wink.gif


you're getting an RC7? ohmy.gif wub.gif i love those guitars! they look so cool!

Posted by: ZakkWylde Feb 17 2008, 10:27 PM

Rusty signature is still not there Pavel?!

Posted by: Pavel Feb 17 2008, 10:32 PM

QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Feb 17 2008, 10:27 PM) *
Rusty signature is still not there Pavel?!


Unfortunately not! May is the next deadline they set...i hope they will keep it real. You would already know if i had it here wink.gif

@at lights end : yeah i ordered one - waiting for them to get in stores across the world.

Posted by: Tjchep Feb 17 2008, 11:09 PM

Well, I'm thinking..

Birth Day's in may, so.. do you want my address? I'll pay for shipping if thats fine with you..

Posted by: RIP Dime Feb 17 2008, 11:55 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 17 2008, 09:16 PM) *
Seriously, for $1,100 a razorback should be made in the U.S.A and have an original floyd rose, not some crappy tremolo arm made in china by prepubescent children shackled to chairs working for 12 cents an hour.
Edit:all those artists are playing on custom shop models. maybe dean should just cater to pros!


Or at least Japan, I'm not happy at all with Dean's Dimebag line of guitars, they are way overpriced because Dime had a huge endorsement deal with Dean right before he passed(I think it was some sort of record), and Dime's estate gets a big cut of what you pay(compared to other sig models). Dime did design the Razorback ML and Razorback V, but now Dean are making guitars that aren't even designed by Dime, and selling them in the Dimebag Darrell line of guitars. I do think they should lay off over advertising Dime, but Dime's partner of over 20 years is fine with it so I'm not going to boycott Dean just yet.

That said, I own two Deans, a TEVO(220$), and a Vendetta 4F(700$). I would recommend that any guitar player give them a try. I don't own a Dimebag line guitar, or a ML, I've only ever tried a 79 series ML(469$), and felt good for the price, but the Dean pointies are HUGE!! I would personally not buy one, but I know some bigger dudes that love the size. I think too many people focus on Deans pointy guitars, especially the Razorbacks because they are so eye catching, those Deans are meant to be huge and obnoxious so you get noticed on stage(look at the freaking headstock!).

I don't think enough attention is given to their Vendetta, EVO, Soltero, and Hardtail models, they are great guitars, and are fairly priced IMO.

Where did you play the guitars? Really the only reason I see that any guitars would break every time they are played is if they are set up poorly, or not set up at all.

Posted by: KloCkWorXx Feb 18 2008, 12:36 AM

my dean sounds nice as hell and is the most comfortable of mine to play, n i dig the v neck.. and if you wanna put a real floyd rose on u just have to change the mounts.. but i dont see a diff from my real floyd to liscensed floyd

Posted by: RIP Dime Feb 18 2008, 12:53 AM

QUOTE (KloCkWorXx @ Feb 18 2008, 12:36 AM) *
my dean sounds nice as hell and is the most comfortable of mine to play, n i dig the v neck.. and if you wanna put a real floyd rose on u just have to change the mounts.. but i dont see a diff from my real floyd to liscensed floyd


Yea man, I have a guitar with an OFR, and Dean's LFR is just as stable as the OFR, the only difference I is the pop in arm, and my LFR's is a screw in arm.

Posted by: KloCkWorXx Feb 18 2008, 12:57 AM

i prefer the screw in arm... stays where i wanna keep it... with the pop in always gotta change those brushings kinda gets annoying

Posted by: Pavel Feb 18 2008, 10:34 AM

QUOTE (Tjchep @ Feb 17 2008, 11:09 PM) *
Well, I'm thinking..Birth Day's in may, so.. do you want my address? I'll pay for shipping if thats fine with you..


You may also want to take the rest of the price on your expense?? tongue.gif laugh.gif


Posted by: Goliath Feb 18 2008, 01:37 PM

I wasn't impressed with the deans I played, and I know that they set up their guitars at the Sam Ash I was playing them at. I played a razorback and a V (not a razorback V, just a V) and neither guitar really grabbed me. The neck on the V was too slow because of the thick lacquer.

Posted by: DeepRoots Feb 18 2008, 01:55 PM

Havent played a dean- would love to though as some of them are rather good looking wink.gif

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 18 2008, 02:46 PM

Anyone who thinks a licensed floyd rose is as good as an American made official floyd rose needs a trip to a chinese factory.

Posted by: Pavel Feb 18 2008, 02:49 PM

"Licensed" is not the same as "original" but on most guitars you meet a "Licensed" Floyd Rose.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 18 2008, 02:51 PM

Exactly. like i said, the floyds dean uses are complete crap. if you find a good one, your a very lucky person.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 18 2008, 02:53 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 18 2008, 01:51 PM) *
Exactly. like i said, the floyds dean uses are complete crap. if you find a good one, your a very lucky person.

My Floyd Rose is licensed but a really great one. I actually prefer it to the real ones. At least I think it's licensed. It is on my Caparison TAT2. Great guitar but 1700 pound. Well worth it though.

Posted by: Pavel Feb 18 2008, 02:57 PM

It is engraved on the floyd saying "licensed" or "original" so it's easy to check wink.gif

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 18 2008, 02:58 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 18 2008, 01:57 PM) *
It is engraved on the floyd saying "licensed" or "original" so it's easy to check wink.gif

I will check when I'm home. My friend got a guitar with a Floyd Rose on it and it said on the floyd rose "Licnsed Floyd Rost" lol. And no spelling mistake by me. That is what it said biggrin.gif

Posted by: Pavel Feb 18 2008, 03:00 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 18 2008, 02:58 PM) *
I will check when I'm home. My friend got a guitar with a Floyd Rose on it and it said on the floyd rose "Licnsed Floyd Rost" lol. And no spelling mistake by me. That is what it said biggrin.gif


Hahahaha man that's a good one! laugh.gif Did he even look at the guitar before buying it?? laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 18 2008, 03:03 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 18 2008, 02:00 PM) *
Hahahaha man that's a good one! laugh.gif Did he even look at the guitar before buying it?? laugh.gif laugh.gif

He's a drummer normally biggrin.gif It was only 150 pound at least. Many laughs had by the band though smile.gif

Posted by: Melvyn Feb 25 2008, 12:27 AM

Hey Pavel, how much is your RC7 costing you, is it the USA Custom or mass produced one?

Posted by: Pavel Feb 25 2008, 10:20 AM

QUOTE (Melvyn @ Feb 25 2008, 12:27 AM) *
Hey Pavel, how much is your RC7 costing you, is it the USA Custom or mass produced one?


It's 1900$ - USA Custom is only built for Rusty himself. The "mass" model is built in J-Custom shops so i don't have to worry about the quality of it wink.gif

Posted by: Trond Vold Feb 25 2008, 12:03 PM

I've only tried one or two of the lower priced Dean's in the local musicstores.. but my first impression by the 10 minutes i used it wasnt that bad.

Played good and felt ok. But i thought the similar priced Ibanez models were far better.

Posted by: Melvyn Feb 25 2008, 12:21 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 25 2008, 09:20 AM) *
It's 1900$ - USA Custom is only built for Rusty himself. The "mass" model is built in J-Custom shops so i don't have to worry about the quality of it wink.gif


1900? thats £950 over here...hmm...

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 12:31 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 25 2008, 04:20 AM) *
It's 1900$ - USA Custom is only built for Rusty himself. The "mass" model is built in J-Custom shops so i don't have to worry about the quality of it wink.gif

Thats what ive been saying. all the artists you listed are playing on custom models. the regular production deans are crap.

Posted by: Melvyn Feb 25 2008, 12:49 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 25 2008, 11:31 AM) *
Thats what ive been saying. all the artists you listed are playing on custom models. the regular production deans are crap.


Thats quite true, ive been interested in buying a Dean Cadillac or V, so i went to my local music shop and played Both models i dont know what Cadillac and V models they were) and both played like a chocolate teapot :|

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 25 2008, 12:51 PM

I tried a few more Deans at the weekend and they are incredibly bad guitars. Some of the custom artist models are ok but the standard models are rubbish.

Posted by: Pavel Feb 25 2008, 06:14 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 25 2008, 12:31 PM) *
Thats what ive been saying. all the artists you listed are playing on custom models. the regular production deans are crap.


I'm sorry - JEM is made in J-Custom shop - if you call JEM a crap than any other guitar is a piece of garbage...
RC7 for mass is also made in J-Custom shop in Japan so it will be at least as good as JEM.

Posted by: Melvyn Feb 25 2008, 06:17 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 25 2008, 05:14 PM) *
RC7 for mass is also made in J-Custom shop in Japan so it will be at least as good as JEM.


My mouth waters laugh.gif

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 06:22 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 25 2008, 12:14 PM) *
I'm sorry - JEM is made in J-Custom shop - if you call JEM a crap than any other guitar is a piece of garbage...
RC7 for mass is also made in J-Custom shop in Japan so it will be at least as good as JEM.

first off, did i mention the jem anywhere? secondly, J-Custom shop has CUSTOM SHOP in the name.
comparing deans and ibanez is like comparing chocolate and crap. which would you rather eat?

Posted by: Owen Feb 25 2008, 06:28 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 25 2008, 09:22 AM) *
first off, did i mention the jem anywhere? secondly, J-Custom shop has CUSTOM SHOP in the name.
comparing deans and ibanez is like comparing chocolate and crap. which would you rather eat?


Depends on the conditions of the simile, if I was a dog for example I'd probably prefer the latter wink.gif

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 06:30 PM

QUOTE (Owen @ Feb 25 2008, 12:28 PM) *
Depends on the conditions of the simile, if I was a dog for example I'd probably prefer the latter wink.gif

if you were a dog, you wouldn't be playing guitar. wink.gif

Posted by: Owen Feb 25 2008, 06:31 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 25 2008, 09:30 AM) *
if you were a dog, you wouldn't be playing guitar. wink.gif


Prejudice! laugh.gif

I do think your're being a bit harsh though, tone it down a bit, dogs dont like arguments smile.gif

Posted by: Pavel Feb 25 2008, 06:31 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 25 2008, 06:22 PM) *
first off, did i mention the jem anywhere? secondly, J-Custom shop has CUSTOM SHOP in the name.
comparing deans and ibanez is like comparing chocolate and crap. which would you rather eat?


Did you even read my previous post?

Both JEM and RC7 are made by same people in the same shop. J-Custom is a shop which makes guitars of a higher price range.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 06:32 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 25 2008, 12:31 PM) *
Did you even read my previous post?

Both JEM and RC7 are made by same people in the same shop. J-Custom is a shop which makes guitars of a higher price range.

Im not talking about the super expensive deans, im talking about the HUGE amount of crap guitars they market towards average players. you know, the ones made by starving chinese children shackled to chairs.

Posted by: Pavel Feb 25 2008, 06:38 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 25 2008, 06:32 PM) *
Im not talking about the super expensive deans, im talking about the HUGE amount of crap guitars they market towards average players. you know, the ones made by starving chinese children shackled to chairs.


Yeah that's exactly the point - the cheap models are made in cheaper factories. The higher priced models are made in custom shops and sure don't suck.

Posted by: Owen Feb 25 2008, 06:39 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 25 2008, 09:32 AM) *
you know, the ones made by starving chinese children shackled to chairs.


See, you keep saying that, but you bought a chinese manufactured BC Rich Bronze Warlock, you cant really put down something you've actively participated in the upkeeping of... huh.gif

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 06:40 PM

QUOTE (Owen @ Feb 25 2008, 12:39 PM) *
See, you keep saying that, but you bought a Chinese manufactured BC Rich Bronze Warlock, you cant really put down something you've actively participated in the up keeping of... huh.gif

Ah, but i bought it secondhand, the Chinese don't get my money.
edit: also, thanks to world consumer "culture", its pretty much impossible not to buy Chinese made products, which is why companies like dean can get away with producing crap for the vast amount of their inventory and call them "the worlds finest guitars", its just out of control consumerism with no quality control.

Posted by: Pavel Feb 25 2008, 06:52 PM

The funny thing is - you never know what you're buying...how do you know where your amp was built? How do you know where those oranges you're eating are coming from? How do you know the gas you're buying for your car is actually a high-quality gas and not mixed with water at, let's say, 50-50 ratio? Are you sure that's actually a cow meat you're eating?

Please let's not turn GMC to "Matrix" - "should i take the red pill or blue pill..."


Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 07:14 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 25 2008, 12:52 PM) *
The funny thing is - you never know what you're buying...how do you know where your amp was built? How do you know where those oranges you're eating are coming from? How do you know the gas you're buying for your car is actually a high-quality gas and not mixed with water at, let's say, 50-50 ratio? Are you sure that's actually a cow meat you're eating?

Please let's not turn GMC to "Matrix" - "should i take the red pill or blue pill..."

i agree. im really not trying to start a war so ill let it go. oh, and i respect your opinion. you ARE a far better guitarist than me anyway. wink.gif

Posted by: Melvyn Feb 25 2008, 07:15 PM

Lol Wut :| Calm down kids

I know a few dogs that play guitar...

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 07:16 PM

QUOTE (Melvyn @ Feb 25 2008, 01:15 PM) *
Lol Wut :| Calm down kids

I know a few dogs that play guitar...

wut. one of my favorite words ever. tongue.gif

Posted by: Melvyn Feb 25 2008, 07:18 PM

Lol Wut :| Calm down kids

I know a few dogs that play guitar...

Posted by: Melvyn Feb 25 2008, 07:18 PM

damn my double posts >.<

Posted by: Pavel Feb 25 2008, 07:20 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 25 2008, 07:14 PM) *
i agree. im really not trying to start a war so ill let it go. oh, and i respect your opinion. you ARE a far better guitarist than me anyway. wink.gif


It's all cool m8! It has nothing to do with guitar skills - just a real view on things! Rock on buddy! smile.gif

Posted by: botoxfox Feb 25 2008, 07:38 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 25 2008, 06:14 PM) *
I'm sorry - JEM is made in J-Custom shop - if you call JEM a crap than any other guitar is a piece of garbage...
RC7 for mass is also made in J-Custom shop in Japan so it will be at least as good as JEM.

So you mean that they're made at the FujiGen factory?

Posted by: Pavel Feb 25 2008, 07:41 PM

I don't know the factory name - i'm not THAT informed laugh.gif

Posted by: botoxfox Feb 25 2008, 07:45 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 25 2008, 07:41 PM) *
I don't know the factory name - i'm not THAT informed laugh.gif

FujiGen is where all MIJ Ibby's are made.

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