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Posted by: SinoMan Jul 23 2008, 02:40 PM

Just vote =]

Posted by: Nighthawk Jul 23 2008, 02:45 PM

Do you want to find out if the most guitarist a nicotine addicted ??!

Posted by: fatb0t Jul 23 2008, 03:37 PM

I'll be interesting to see the results of this one. Good polling idea...

Musicians and boogies...I seem to believe there is a relationship in there someplace.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jul 23 2008, 04:13 PM

hehe, all non smokers - cool

I light up occasionally

Posted by: kyldeee Jul 23 2008, 04:16 PM

I used to smoke alot for three years, but I got rid of it, and I've been a non-smoker for over an year now

Posted by: Muris Varajic Jul 23 2008, 04:16 PM

Addict here,cigarettes

Posted by: DeepRoots Jul 23 2008, 04:17 PM

I'm not a regular smoker- maybe i'll have one off a friend once in a while over a beer, strictly parties only.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jul 23 2008, 04:17 PM

I don't smoke or drink Well the first part is true at least

Posted by: SinoMan Jul 23 2008, 06:16 PM

Meep! I expected more people here would be smokers

Posted by: fatb0t Jul 23 2008, 06:32 PM

I think this forum probably has a lot of younger users. I didn't start smoking until I was older and more stupid =-(

Posted by: SinoMan Jul 23 2008, 06:37 PM

This is proof enough for me that all the cool guys smoke

j/k kids, don't start smoking :/

Posted by: mattacuk Jul 23 2008, 06:37 PM

I can just see it now, trying to look all sophisticated then coughing it all up

Posted by: Siggum Jul 23 2008, 06:45 PM

I quit smoking about 1.5 years ago, and im pretty proud that i havent smoked a cigeratte since then, i was really hooked

Edited for innapropriate content - Andrew

Posted by: blindwillie Jul 23 2008, 06:50 PM

Not really, The smokers wake up late
I'm a smoker

Posted by: Tolek Jul 23 2008, 06:52 PM

I never smoked and will never try it. That´s sure.

Posted by: SinoMan Jul 23 2008, 07:03 PM

I also thought that like 2 weeks ago. Now I puff away like a chimney

Posted by: audiopaal Jul 23 2008, 07:05 PM

I smoke cigarettes and I'm proud of it!

Posted by: Tolek Jul 23 2008, 07:09 PM

That´s your case. I´ll never do it. I want to live as long as possible and make music.

Posted by: chast Jul 23 2008, 07:10 PM

Strange
I just stopped smoking 19 hours ago
Till now I don't have a feeling that I want to have a cigarette so everything is going the right way, but I can't imagine having a beer without a lovely cigarette, that's not the same feeling

Posted by: Trond Vold Jul 23 2008, 07:25 PM

I gave up tobacco 3 years ago or something. I see now that it's a pointless and expensive (atleast if your in Norway) bad habit.
I dont mean to offend any smokers here by saying it's "pointless" I know how addictive and nessessary it is once your in it as i used to smoke quite alot for over 10-11 years.

Posted by: Siggum Jul 23 2008, 07:29 PM

Yeah, i heard the price for Tobacco in norway is like double the price in Denmark, anyhow grats on quitting as well

Posted by: Trond Vold Jul 23 2008, 07:40 PM

Thanks
I think the average price for a 20pack is 70 NKR now. 64.6632 in DKK

Posted by: SensE Jul 23 2008, 07:44 PM

I dont' smoke at all ! Non-smoker has to be proud of themselves

Posted by: Slammer Jul 23 2008, 07:45 PM

Nope, Never Have... Hopefully never will.
Besides, it's too expensive... I'd rather buy some Jazz III Picks

Posted by: SensE Jul 23 2008, 07:46 PM

HAHAHA...Good job slammer. I can save up and buy myself a tube amp in a long run

Posted by: Slammer Jul 23 2008, 07:48 PM

Posted by: Fran Jul 23 2008, 07:53 PM

I used to smoke but I quit three years ago. I never smoked much, just a couple packs per week, but I still miss it cause I really enjoyed cigarrettes, specially after meals, in pubs or playing poker...

Oh well, I hope my lungs are thankful!

Posted by: MickeM Jul 23 2008, 08:03 PM

Never, never and No

Cos I'm a quitter! I rather spend that money on gear

Posted by: swingline Jul 23 2008, 08:11 PM

When I turned 18 and could legally smoke my brother-in-law gave me a Cuban (which are highly prized here in the states due to the embargo with Cuba) I smoked that and turned so green I almost threw up. Never again after that.

Posted by: Henry Dietzel Jul 23 2008, 08:23 PM

I gave up cigs a while back but still loved a good cigar more than once in a while. I recently had to give these up also due to health problems but was a daily smoker for well over 10 years

It was never a habit I was proud of

Posted by: SinoMan Jul 23 2008, 08:26 PM

You're not supposed to inhale those man...

Posted by: DeepRoots Jul 23 2008, 08:28 PM

LOL

Where i come from, you're not a man unless you inhale cigar smoke...

...yeh i stay away from them nowadays as my breath would turn black

Posted by: Siggum Jul 23 2008, 08:30 PM

I once inhaled a whole cigar, i cant explain how bad that makes you feel, but im 100% sure i'll never do it again

Posted by: JVM Jul 23 2008, 08:32 PM

I smoke a hookah every now and then. But cigarettes, cigars, no.

Posted by: Henry Dietzel Jul 23 2008, 08:34 PM

On top of smoking cigs I have smoked Dunhill cabreras for over 10years inhaling, prob why I have issues. Since quitting I have great energy and can smell and actually taste my food. Still miss a good smoke when I'm having a pint though

Posted by: Tjchep Jul 23 2008, 08:35 PM

Cigarettes are nasty.

A good cigar every once in a while with my brother and friends while playing poker is fun. Or have one with my Father on the links. (Golfing.)

Other than that. I don't have the money for it.

Posted by: Siggum Jul 23 2008, 08:39 PM

You inhaled cigars for 10 years? wow must be great to have quit then

Posted by: Tuubsu Jul 23 2008, 08:40 PM

cigarettes, but am I the only one who smokes Cigars daily? And I'm the poor one here well, I guess that's where it all goes then, eh.

Oh, and ofcourse inhaling the cigars, not ALL of them but like half of it or something

Posted by: swingline Jul 23 2008, 08:41 PM

I didn't, I'm just a pussy.

Posted by: Tjchep Jul 23 2008, 08:48 PM

Lol. .

Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Jul 23 2008, 09:07 PM

I never smoked and never will ! I hate that , its really a bad habit which doesn't bring anything good into your life

Posted by: Joe Kataldo Jul 23 2008, 09:14 PM

Looks like most of us are real health fanatic

Posted by: superize Jul 23 2008, 09:30 PM

Never tried and will hopefully never trie

Posted by: vintageplaya666 Jul 23 2008, 10:02 PM

I'm non-smoker now I smoked over 20 cigarettes a day. But I gave up. Been packed in for a good few weeks now And i'm already starting to feel the benefits of it

Posted by: SinoMan Jul 23 2008, 10:38 PM

Well yeah, most cigars smokers DON'T smoke daily.

And I once tried inhaling like 2 puffs from a small vanilla cigar. Made me feel like vomiting :/

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jul 23 2008, 10:45 PM

Never and never here!

Posted by: Tuubsu Jul 23 2008, 10:50 PM

Well, not ofcourse huge 1 hour cigars everyday, that would be CRAZY money! you can get big cigars from this pub around here and the cheapest one is 12€ one cigar, I go 1-3 times a week there to get myself one. But if we talk about small vanilla cigars you can go decent money to smoke a 10 pac or alittle more a day, personally I think their not that strong with or without a filter...

Posted by: shellshock1911 Jul 23 2008, 11:16 PM

Smoke: No
Drink: Yes

I will never smoke because my boss smokes in the work truck and frankly I think it smells really bad and I almost choke.

Posted by: Canis Jul 23 2008, 11:43 PM

Never, never, no.
I've never smoked a cigarette, and never will. Strong words by a teenager some say
Well, I have motivation:
Each day I wake up to the gorgeous sound of my stepdad coughing and wheezing, going through the house. It sounds like he's trying not to cough up his lungs... Same thing with my mom, just a little lighter...

Posted by: SinoMan Jul 24 2008, 12:02 AM

Those small vanilla Villiger cigars kick ass =)

Posted by: sam47 Jul 24 2008, 12:47 AM

I've smoked for the better part of 30yrs. Hell of a thing when I think of it. Actually today I got a script for Chantix. Alot of people I know quit smoking taking it. It's covered under my insurance now and I REALLY want to quit. Only bad habit I have left. There's 3 or 4 drugs competing for 1# WORST and tobacco is definitly one of them. In anticipation of haveing money not spent on cigs I bought a Line6 Toneport UX1 a couple days ago. There's a lot to learn about using all of it so ,my mind and hands will have plenty to keep occupied on other than smoking. (Well ,that's my intentions!) If anyone's interested I'll let ya'll know how it's all going.

Posted by: VinceG Jul 24 2008, 12:53 AM

haha, well as for me. I don't really smoke it on a daily basis. I only smoke when I need to ease my mind or calm down or something or if there is a big test or paper that I need to buckle down on. Nicotine does that to me. But as for smoking it daily? No never. I think I smoke about a maximum of 6 cigs a year or something.

Posted by: JVM Jul 24 2008, 01:13 AM

No other hookah smokers?

Posted by: Tuubsu Jul 24 2008, 01:26 AM

whats hookah?

Posted by: VinceG Jul 24 2008, 01:35 AM

A fancy word for huge bong

Posted by: Canis Jul 24 2008, 01:51 AM

Wasn't that the "trend" in the '70s? Making bongs out of everything?

Posted by: Danilo Capezzuto Jul 24 2008, 02:08 AM

Nice to see so many healthy men here!! Me too!

Posted by: JuanMV Jul 24 2008, 03:11 AM

That's a fallacy Danilo... not smoking does not necessarily mean that you are healthy

I quit smoking 3 years ago... it was probably one of the best things I have ever done... I also quit Coke last January... the beverage I mean ... it feels great also.

Posted by: Tryton Jul 24 2008, 06:43 AM

I have never smoked a tobacco product in my life....

Posted by: Xose Pineda Jul 24 2008, 07:18 AM

20 cigarrettes per day here.

(Sadly, I'd add)

Posted by: Enucleation Jul 24 2008, 07:18 AM

I'm happy that I can say I don't smoke or drink and I never will. I don't have anything against drinking, I don't believe at all in getting drunk (religion thing) but I don' think even the occasional drink is for me.

Posted by: Xicoria Jul 24 2008, 07:54 AM

I used to drink a lot and smoke a lot (more than 30 cigarretes/day).

But I am far from tobacco and alcohol ...hum... 5 years?!? yes... 100% true for tobacco... eventually I drink some whisky.

I am sure that I will never ever smoke again. Nothing againt smokers.

Posted by: Juan M. Valero Jul 24 2008, 08:12 AM

I was a non-smoker before knowing my girlfriend... now I smoke few cigarettes per week. But never more than 20 in a week

Posted by: mattacuk Jul 24 2008, 08:21 AM

I dont smoke, or drink, or even drink coffee !! I like to try and live as healthy as possible

Posted by: Xicoria Jul 24 2008, 08:32 AM

I am a coffee addicted!

I almost dont sleep (2-3 hours day)! So when I am not with a coffee mug, I am drinking energy drinks (red bull or alike)

Posted by: Fsgdjv Jul 24 2008, 03:38 PM

I don't smoke, and I've only had the occasional cigar due to lost bets etc. And it tastes horrible.

Posted by: SinoMan Jul 24 2008, 03:53 PM

What did you just say?!

You need someone to introduce you to the world of cigars.

Posted by: FrankW Jul 24 2008, 05:17 PM

I have never smoked...cigarettes.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jul 24 2008, 05:37 PM

People close to me have died in cancer caused by tabacco - I really hope that those of you who are still using this drug will quit as soon as possible, as I really don't want the same to happen to you!

edit - if there are poeple who aren't aware of the danger in smoking - here are some pictures of what cigarettes can do to you:









http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_and_health:

As you can see - this is serious stuff.

Posted by: g-forcelover Jul 24 2008, 05:38 PM

wait, wait, wait. How do you not inhale a cigar? But I will never smoke. never ever. my aunt does and smells really weird and gross and I don't want that going through my lungs a lot.

Posted by: Fsgdjv Jul 24 2008, 05:40 PM

Kris: I'm sorry, but posting those pictures is not something I think is decent. Link to them sure, but to make them show up like this from reading a thread is horrible, I'd rather see the F word or other things that aren't allowed here. Yes I think people know it's bad and I agree, but just use text for it, there's no need to show that. I know it's your forum so I'm in no place to critizise your posts, but I did not want to see that, so please remove the pictures.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jul 24 2008, 05:47 PM

I disagree with you - the tobacco industry has (and still is!) been making billions of dollars by selling a highly cancerogeneous product killing people and destroying families.

These pictures reveal the truth and I would much rather disgust some GMC:ers than see them die in cancer.

Posted by: Xicoria Jul 24 2008, 05:55 PM

One great thing nowaday, at least here in my city is that young people are not smoking as they do when I was sixteen. The mask of tobacco industry feel when they start to show the consequences in television.

Everyone knows that smoke is bad for health and that it grant you a great chance to acquire cancer. I think that the choice is obvious!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jul 24 2008, 06:00 PM

I am very happy to hear this about your city - unfortunately everyone does not know about the risks of smoking. Once again according to wikipedia:

"In the developing world, tobacco consumption is rising by 3.4% per year."

So those of you who live in a part of the world where this knowledge is widely spread are lucky! I really hope GMC can be used to spread this extremely important information about the dangers of tobacco.

Posted by: Fsgdjv Jul 24 2008, 06:05 PM

Ok, then I know how you respect other peoples opinions. Well no problem then

Posted by: chast Jul 24 2008, 06:11 PM

It's exactly the opposite here which is kinda sad.
The people know about the dangerous of smoking, and the kids try smoking very early (12 years, at that age I didn't even think about smoking), continue smoking, because it's cool and in no time they are addicted.
I also don't know what the parents do with their kids, because if someone smokes a lot you smell it even if they use chewing gum and all that stuff.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 24 2008, 06:21 PM

I've never seen photos and I think that it's ok to show what this drug can do to a person. Why should we hide this? It's very important to keep the people informed about this.

I'm glad to say that I never smoked. but I'm sad to say that a lot of friends of mine do it and they are having several health problem.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jul 24 2008, 06:26 PM

I am very sad to hear this!

It's great to hear that you don't do it though - I have got one thing less to worry about!

Posted by: Enucleation Jul 24 2008, 06:43 PM

My oldest brother smokes, I don't think he does a lot, but when he was around my age he did drugs and stuff. I am glad he stopped with that so maybe there is hope for him.

Posted by: SinoMan Jul 24 2008, 07:51 PM

ROFL Kris. I know your intentions are good but you're taking it too seriously.

Feeling depression that cigs are bad for you and you still smoke is MUCH worse than having a few cigs per day and enjoying them. IMHO.

So just chill out and enjoy the smoke.

Posted by: fatb0t Jul 24 2008, 07:52 PM

Sinoman - dude that's me man. I still smoke but I feel like GUILTY. It's soooo annoying.

Posted by: Smikey2006 Jul 24 2008, 08:07 PM

A few years back (when i was a nieve teenager) i picked up smoking.. i never got too into it never went through a pack a day.. maybe in a week id go through a pack.. or id bum off of people at parties and stuff.. but i had one friend who got really into it.. and he went downhill.. his hands and teeth were always yellow and he smelt of smole all the time.. as well smoking opened him up to a whole group of people i didn't want to associate with and hes gone downhill since and i put them down and said id never buy a pack again.. Im very healthy concious now and will probably never smoke cigarettes again.. at the same time i have no problem with people smoking and i don't mind being around smokers or having the occasional cigar with a group of friends... i would probably even smoke a dart again sometime if i was content i wouldn't make it a regular habit.. like all things i think anything in moderation is not too bad or too good for you.

Posted by: uberIbanez Jul 24 2008, 08:08 PM

GMC is not supporting discussions about drugs. Contents removed.
/Micke

Posted by: mattacuk Jul 24 2008, 08:23 PM

At this point in the thread may I remind everyone to keep on topic, and refrain from discussing Illegal Substances as it is against http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=5086 - thanks!


Matt

Posted by: Henry Dietzel Jul 24 2008, 08:26 PM

It's a good achievment for me quitting and I do feel great, sticking with it for life is the tough part. After looking at those pictures Kris put up I feel like vomiting, that 1st pic is brutal. I really don't crave a cig at the moment or anytime soon

Posted by: Xicoria Jul 24 2008, 09:09 PM

I had a cold and take the momment to stop smoking. 5 years ago.

It was one the best things I did. Today I dont stand the smell of cigarretes, I think that my body created his own protection against this.

The most notable things were: taste... it was deeeeeply improved after a while without smoking... and the smell of my pillow. Before it smells like an ash tray.

Posted by: SinoMan Jul 24 2008, 09:23 PM

Well feeling guilty is much worse to your health than those actual cigs.

So my advice: switch cigs for cigars and don't inhale them. And start cutting down until it's like 1 a day. That's OK =)

Posted by: Canis Jul 24 2008, 09:39 PM

A little motivation:

My stepdad, who I was talking about earlier in this thread, smoked a lot.. He started smoking when he was 13 years old. Since then he has been smoking at least three cigarettes every single day, or a entire pack ++, the last couple of years. He's 50 now. (Except his hardcore coughing, de doesen't look that bad, so the pictures Kris put up is for the really unlucky.)
The last couple of months he has joined some of his friends on a pokernight once a week, where every last one of them was smokers. He came home some weeks ago and said that he had scared the crap outta himself, since he brought two 20-packs of cigarettes with him, and those were gone within the night.
After that, he has cut down on his smoking like a god. He's down to two-three cigarettes a day, maybe not even that. He lighted one up before going to work this morning, and still had some of that cigarette left when he came home.
His goal is to stop completely in the next months ^^

No matter how long people have been smoking, it's never too late to stop =)
I'm not gonna tell people to stop smoking though, since it's all up to themselves. If a person don't want to stop smoking, it's not really much to do about it.

Edit for language - Smells

Posted by: Xuestor Jul 24 2008, 10:26 PM

I don't smoke, but sadly I use snus. A really bad habit, and I have tried quitting several times. The brain plays you pranks when you've been away from it a while....

Posted by: swingline Jul 24 2008, 10:35 PM

I saw this guy in real life at a promotional speaking thing at my school, he is a very nice guy but you could tell he had a lot of regret. Also I think he is dead now.


Dang 30 a day, good for you for kicking the habit.

Posted by: Hisham Al-Sanea Jul 24 2008, 11:22 PM

smoker and in the same time athletic !!

Posted by: blindwillie Jul 25 2008, 07:33 AM

If someone of you want to make a serious attempt to quit I would recommend that you first read a book by Allen Carr, don't remember the name of it.
It's not a miracle cure (which the marketing tends to make you to believe). It gives you his views on quitting and an insight in how your body works and is effected buy the drug and how your mind uses every trick it has to fool you into continuing smoking.

Posted by: Siggum Jul 25 2008, 07:52 AM

If think if you seriusly want to quit, you will make it, but you have to be 100% motivated to do it, ive had several failed attempts in the past, untill a few years ago i was dedicated enough to quit, and then it was less struggle than i anticipated.

Posted by: visi0n Jul 25 2008, 08:51 AM

cigarettes

Posted by: Rooks Jul 28 2008, 10:49 AM

I never smoked, and never will. But I respect if people want to, it's their choice. Does not mean I will put up with people smoking near me when I have dinner. I'm a very calm person but if people disrespect me and smoke in my face or close to me when eating I snap Has happened more than once, that I have stepped up and crushed a cigarette with my hand while someone having it in their mouth

A little something to share too:
I had a course in measuring car exhaust carbonoxide levels with a machine .. And we tried for fun to lit a cigarette and stuff it in the measure vacuum sensor... It read A 100 times more than the legal level for a CAR exhaust Of course, this test smoked the entire cigarette without break in about a minute. But gives you something to think about.

Posted by: JVM Jul 29 2008, 05:36 PM

I have to say though, I do agree with Kris. Smoking has killed off my aunt, two of my grandparents and friends of the family. It's not good stuff. To take a lighter note, I agree with whoever said that coke and soda in general is terrible too, and I've also felt much better since I stopped drinking that filth!

Posted by: SinoMan Jul 29 2008, 09:07 PM

Kick ass

Posted by: WRADA Jul 30 2008, 04:22 AM

Right on audiopaal!

Posted by: fkalich Jul 30 2008, 04:58 AM

I believe audiopall is British, so ok with me. But you impact my medical costs, as you live in the US.

I am happy if you smoke, so long as you agree to pay your own medical costs for your entire life, and not force non smokers to share that burden with you.






that is like comparing being bitten by a mosquito to being bitten by a crazed Pit Bull.

Posted by: Maximus Jul 30 2008, 04:59 AM

I once smoked a turkey. Boy was it delicious!

Posted by: fkalich Jul 30 2008, 05:13 AM

I saw this bumper sticker, thought it was cute, it said....

Having a smoking section in a restaurant is a little like having a peeing section in a pool.

Most places in the US ban it in public places, for sure in my town. You can carry a handgun though.

Posted by: Smikey2006 Jul 30 2008, 05:23 AM

my addiction is coffee .. i must say tho.. again i come back to my moderation comment.. i think that smoking in moderation is perhaps not as bad as we seem to think.. a pack a day is not moderation.. i will ask the question against soft drinks.. a case of coke a day would probably kill you faster than a pack of cigarettes a day.. high sugar levels + high amounts of caffinee.. huge intake of calories i would be willing to guess both are very bad in high amounts

Posted by: fkalich Jul 30 2008, 06:49 AM

Very few people smoke in moderation indefinitely. A lot think they will, but few don't increase the level after some time, way past moderation.

I don't know why people even put something like caffine or soft drinks here. I have exercised all my life, pretty serious. Always kept in shape. People with problems due to food have it more due to their overall unhealthy lifestyle, lack of exercise more than anything else. I don't eat fast food anymore, basically I have reached the age where I need to think about diet, exercise alone does not cut it anymore. But having had my smoking best friend die young of colon cancer, well, I don't think anything belongs in the subject of smoking, other than maybe hard drugs or sado masochistic kink. One of my sister's high school friends died of that.

They are legal because corps make money, and politicians are in their pockets. But cigarettes are just as insidious as anything out there. Jeeeze, you are putting hot toxic gas into your lungs when you smoke, why is that not crazy?

Posted by: Tuubsu Jul 30 2008, 08:02 AM

I remember this man around here, an ald acquaintance of mine, heavy smoker, something like 35 years old said>
"Life after 40 years sounds bad, but if theres life after 50 years... I don't want to know about it!"


I hate arguments about smoking, cos I have nothing to say that would make it sensible, I just like having a smoke.
But one thing I just don't get (propably I'm stupid) is people who feel so strongly against smoking, out here you can't smoke in public buildings anymore, so that leaves your own home and outside, and outside, the air ventilation is pretty damn good.

I for one don't care at all about my health and never understood why some people want to live long lives, but your own choice just like smoking.

Now, I'm going to roll my self a Pall Mall, without a filter, MMMmmmm... smooth!

Posted by: blindwillie Jul 30 2008, 08:10 AM

Then you must agree that anyone into sports should pay their own medical care? Car drivers? People who enjoy a beer now and then? Weapon owners? Owerweight people? Everyone that deviates a bit from ... I don't know which... standard?


That's true. You don't smoke moderatly. If you smoke, you smoke. It's a drug and you are an addict. You will increase the intake over time.


In any conversation about misuse of your body there is room for caffeine and suger too.


Yes, spot on. IMO cigarettes and alcohol shoud be classified as drugs and not allowed for anything else but medical use, and I really can't see any medical benefits from cigarettes.

Posted by: swingline Jul 30 2008, 08:24 AM

I disagree with you about the alcohol, my friend whom I've known almost all of my life, is fiftyish and drinks a glass of wine every night with supper not to mention that he has never been drunk a day in his life. Alcohol, if used responsively, is nothing to worry about IMO.

Posted by: blindwillie Jul 30 2008, 08:59 AM

I didn't mean that those SHOULD be outside general care. On the contrary, those who need help should get it, regardless of what reason. I just tried to give examples of things that, with the previous reasoning, also should be excluded. Which I think is wrong.

Alcohol can have some positive effects, but alcohol also cost society enourmous amounts and human tragedies by it's side effects.

Posted by: fkalich Jul 30 2008, 09:05 AM

just if you smoke, make sure you quit by 40. and get exercise even if you do smoke. I smoked when I was younger, mostly bummed cigarettes to keep the number down. and drove people nuts who I bummed them from all the time. but I always exercised, mostly swam. I think that cleaned me out a bit, countered it. so at least if you smoke, get good exercise.
I still have good endurance, and lung capacity. A resting heart rate in the 50's. If I had not exercised when I smoked, I think it would have done me a lot more damage.

Posted by: Tuubsu Jul 30 2008, 10:12 AM

Well, those are some words I can relate to! I smoke pretty heavily, but I also run and go to the gym, so it really doesn't noticably weaken me in any way!

btw. is noticably a word? or did I just make it up?

Posted by: SinoMan Jul 30 2008, 09:10 PM

Noticeably IS a word. Noticably is NOT.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jul 30 2008, 09:12 PM

The difference is noticeable!

Posted by: Nighthawk Jul 30 2008, 09:20 PM

So the vast majority doesn't smoke hm?! Very sensibel I am proud of you GMC family

Posted by: SinoMan Jul 30 2008, 09:46 PM

LOL @ that one Kris!

BTW: best smoking video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98bt4z3pUeo

Posted by: Tuubsu Jul 30 2008, 09:58 PM

hmm... it seems I need more english lessons

and btw. that vid, it's the Coolest thing I have ever seen anyone do in my life!

Posted by: botoxfox Jul 31 2008, 08:38 AM

WTF was that? Esp. the last scene.

Posted by: fkalich Jul 31 2008, 09:16 AM

yes it does. you are kidding yourself. this is just simple science. it does several things that without question, will weaken you.

constricts your blood vessels for one. but even more importantly, your red blood cells latch on to carbon monoxide, and become useless for transporting oxygen. you are probably young, and your body gets by, but don't kid yourself.

I used to do triathlons when I was a smoker. and that is the reason I never got better than middle of the pack competitively. Wish I had never smoked, I missed out on some things because of it. I could have been competitive. But I understand how it is enjoyable to a smoker, and very very hard to quit once you are hooked.

Posted by: Tuubsu Jul 31 2008, 09:39 AM

Well, yeah gotta hand it out to you, maybe I used wrong words. Let me say it like this>
It doesnt prevent being in good shape but it does hold you back. One thing is for sure, you can better your running shape for example even if you smoke, but indeed it does hold you back.

I'm young, 18, been smoking for 1,5 years and excersicing at the same time, and for my own exoerience, right now I'm more scared of the "Ravages of old"(no offense to older gmcers), than smoking, eventhough it's not current for me right now. I don't really know why...