Rec Grading Tweaks #2 |
|
Rec Grading Tweaks #2 |
|
|
|
|
Jun 12 2015, 01:00 PM |
Hello everyone after another long break of mine! As a "veteran" of GMC I remember the old REC grading system, and would like to share my thoughts... I didn't like the old system because: I feel that learning how to play the lesson is many times more valuable and difficult than being or not being relaxed, and choosing an appropriate tone or not. Of course good posture is important, and playing stoner rock with a jazz tone makes no sense, but accurately playing the lesson with a satisfactory technique is on a wholly different level of importance IMHO. When the old system worked, the overall level of lessons that passed was lower than it is now, because it was "easy" to get good grades for tone, posture/being relaxed, so it counterbalanced the poorer grades for technique:/ I remember that the change from the old grading system to a new one, resulted in many lessons that didn't pass, and students soon started to present a higher level of preparation before posting a take. I don't know what is the best solution, also because it depends on the people involved. For example I always feel down when I don't pass, and I don't think that it gives any additional motivation to me. Maybe because I practice one lesson for too long so when I post a REC take I "hope" to move on to new stuff to practice, but when I fail I am "sentenced" to additional practice of a lesson I am already too familiar with. What would be ideal for me is as much constructive criticism as possible in REC comments, also with maybe links to lessons that could help with overcoming my problems, but with quite a "friendly" grading system. For me "winning" a REC take is motivating to practice another lesson and aim to "win" again, while "losing" strengthens my REC anxiety and depressive thinking After all no matter what the grades are, it is all left to the student to use the constructive criticism he received, and it is connected with his personality, that we don't have an influence on. With a more strict grading, maybe the passmark of 7.5 should be reconsidered? Like in school 51% most of the time is a pass. So while the student gets not so great grades, like 5.5 or 6.0, and those grades are telling the student that he still has much place for improvement, it still is a positive grade, not a "negative" grade that basically means - the take didn't pass, you failed to pass. Maybe we could also consider opening the REC forum to everyone, and instead of voting, admin would have to read the instructor comments to check what grade they give (so they would have to write it in a post instead of the current way of grading). That way more people could comment and contribute. Very interesting. Maybe there should be a grading system rather than pass or fail. D pass = 5 points, C = 6, B = 7, A = 8 A+ =9, A* =10. It could be said that you can move on to another lesson with a pass BUT not recommended until you get a B. I put the A at 8 because in Darius's video he said 8 is very very good, 9 and 10 are very special. Is all food for thought for the admin Cheers Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Jun 12 2015, 11:06 PM |
Marek this is excellent feedback, some key points here are: * failing grades don't encourage * Building a list of passing lessons does encourage After all the goal is both to guide/help you towards a great take, but also to help you remain inspired every day (that's the only way to spend a lot of time with the instrument). What do other think about this? https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&p=713125 -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Jun 12 2015, 11:23 PM |
Lowering the pass grade is good but it needs to be a low level pass imho. As long as it is a pass at a low level it will be still motivational to the student, rather than a consistent 7
Edit: Don't know what I meant here. To much beer and wine when I posted this This post has been edited by Phil66: Jun 14 2015, 05:59 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Jun 14 2015, 06:05 PM |
The thing with just a pass or fail is that you don't see your progress, you can't see yourself getting closer. If the instructors are going to start using 1 2 3 4 etc I will definitely post rec takes more often purely for assessment and opinions of other instructors as well as Gab. I think that getting a 1 is fine, you can strive for a 2 within a few weeks and I actually think having more smaller achievements will, for me anyway, be more including and encouraging
This post has been edited by Phil66: Jun 14 2015, 06:06 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Jun 14 2015, 07:03 PM |
I can see your point too Scott. The thing is we can both use it how we want. You can submit a take when you think it's ready to pass, or when your mentor thinks it is, you will then probably get at least a 7, I can submit a take when I have it under my fingers at full tempo even though I know it might only get a 3 so that I can get advice on how to improve from more than one source. Some instructors spot things others miss or, have a different take on what to do to improve
This post has been edited by Phil66: Jun 14 2015, 10:30 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Jun 15 2015, 04:35 PM |
I don't believe there is a correct or incorrect time to post a REC take, just use REc as you see fit.
Then again if you post a take that you suspect is not really good, maybe be realistic and expect to fail and get some nice input from the instructors to play it better. These years 7.5 has been the pass grade because less than 5 was considered "too many mistakes", and 5-7.5 was getting there but not enough to consider it played well enough. Then from 7.5-10 the lesson take was good enough, and the higher the better, of course This post has been edited by Fran: Jun 15 2015, 04:36 PM -------------------- Guitars:
Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster, Ibanez RG2570MZ, Epiphone SG G-400 Amp: Vox AC4TVH head + V112TV cab Effects: Vox Satchurator, Vox Time Machine, Dunlop CryBaby, Boss MT-2, Boss CE-5, Boss TU-2, Boss ME-70 Recording: Line-6 POD X3 + FBV-Express, Pandora PX5D GMC wants YOU to take part in our Guitar-Wikipedia! Have a good time reading great articles and writing your own with us in our GUITAR WIKI! Share your playing and get Pro-advice from our Instructors: Join REC |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Jun 17 2015, 04:20 PM |
From my point of view, the grade is just a reference to monitor your progress. The most important thing of REC is the feedback that you receive from different instructors so even when you know it won't pass it's very recommendable to share it there and receive the necessary feedback to know how to continue, which things you are doing right or wrong.
It's true that you can also open a new thread to receive feedback, but REC is more organized, and you are totally sure that will receive different points of views and the grade to check how much room to improvements is and also to check the progress. This new adjustment helps us to make a better use of the 1 to 10 grades, to let you monitor your progress even clearer. I don't think that a student should feel frustrated of getting a 2, then a 3, then a 4... this means progress! However if you get, 3, then another 3, then another 3. Something must be wrong with your practice, and you definitely need to contact us. The same is applicable to other grades, if you keep on the same grade and it's low, you must be doing something wrong, or misunderstanding the feedback. -------------------- My lessons
Do you need a Guitar Plan? Join Gab's Army Check my band:Cirse Check my soundcloud:Soundcloud Please subscribe to my:Youtube Channel |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Jun 17 2015, 07:28 PM |
Darius, my post is one day older than the feedback that I recieved from instructors, so I wrote it before! The tone comment was connected with the older system of grading on GMC. Check for example this take of mine posted 6 years ago (holy crap so long ago...)
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=28019 There was "sound" and "posture" that affected the overall grade in a big way, and in consequence a medicore take could pass, because of nice tone/posture. EDIT: concerning my latest REC uploads, yes I hoped for a bit higher grades, and feel a bit down about getting 7.3 -> not passing by such a small margin. But on the other hand I wasn't too happy with these takes myself, so it's not that big of a deal. I hope to "amaze" all of you in the following week, with a take of a different lesson This post has been edited by Marek Rojewski: Jun 17 2015, 07:32 PM |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Jun 17 2015, 07:54 PM |
Got it! Thanx for the clearance I didn't suspect You're going that far to the past of REC
|
|
|
||
|
|
|
Jun 18 2015, 06:06 PM |
Please admins & instructors, let me know when I can re-start closing and wiki-ing those REC takes, as you know I'm always keping an eye on the REC board
-------------------- Guitars:
Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster, Ibanez RG2570MZ, Epiphone SG G-400 Amp: Vox AC4TVH head + V112TV cab Effects: Vox Satchurator, Vox Time Machine, Dunlop CryBaby, Boss MT-2, Boss CE-5, Boss TU-2, Boss ME-70 Recording: Line-6 POD X3 + FBV-Express, Pandora PX5D GMC wants YOU to take part in our Guitar-Wikipedia! Have a good time reading great articles and writing your own with us in our GUITAR WIKI! Share your playing and get Pro-advice from our Instructors: Join REC |
|
|
||
|
|
|
Jun 20 2015, 11:07 AM |
BumP!
Keep those RECs coming! -------------------- Guitars:
Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster, Ibanez RG2570MZ, Epiphone SG G-400 Amp: Vox AC4TVH head + V112TV cab Effects: Vox Satchurator, Vox Time Machine, Dunlop CryBaby, Boss MT-2, Boss CE-5, Boss TU-2, Boss ME-70 Recording: Line-6 POD X3 + FBV-Express, Pandora PX5D GMC wants YOU to take part in our Guitar-Wikipedia! Have a good time reading great articles and writing your own with us in our GUITAR WIKI! Share your playing and get Pro-advice from our Instructors: Join REC |
|
|
||