I'm curious.
I wonder if anyone has any information on the science behind what makes a good pickup.
I am a Physics teacher and so understand the principles behind how they work and in fact a pickup is very simple device, a coil of wire and some small magnets.
Zak has excellent knowledge of the market but what I want to know is the science behind why one pickup leads to a better sound than another. My guess is that it is down to output and impedance matching but if there is an accepted optimum then why dont all manufacturers meet it and produce optimum pickups? Having said that output is one thing but sound quality is another, why do some pickups ring clear while others sound muddy?
Lets keep it simple for now and consider only a single coil pickup, is there an optimum number of turns, guage of wire, resistance, flux density of magnet etc. Why should hand wound be considered any better than machine wound. Is it simply a matter of output voltage and so on.
Can anyone shed light on this for me?
Great thread. I'm really curious about this as well. *sits back and waits for the knowledge to come flowing*
I am no expert in the pickup winiding itself bur despite it being a simple thing with few mechanical parts the composure of the parts can change the outcome drasticly! I will write everything I think I know about the construction of a pickup, please correct me if I am wrong!
-Magnets
First of all there are several types of Magnets with diffrent tonalities. The most frequently used magnets are Alnico 5 and Ceramic magnets but there are also Alnico 2,4 and 8 used with pickups. Ceramic gives a lot of output, the tone is clearer and less dynamic and also less warm while Alnico 2 Magnets have a very good sonic spectrum but they have a very low output...
Also the size of the magnets differs from small ones to hugh blade-magnets that fill the entire coil!
-Potting
To keep the pickups from humming and creating feedback they need to be shielded with hot wax to keep them from making unwanted noise - too much or wrong potting will decrease the sound performance though! The choice of wax is important too!
-Winding
This determines how the pickup sounds! Less winds result in a more open sound and more dynamics but it will be less loud, a lot of winds gives the pickups more compression and more output.
-Material
The baseplate materia on which the pickup is wound also directly affects the tone in terms of brightness (mostly nickel, zinc and steel)... The covers on some pickups alter the tone too!
What makes a good pickup? The answer is the rest of the guitar!
Pickups are very subjective, anyone who thinks that a decent set of pickups alone make for good tone are living in a dreamworld. Its the combination of the whole instrument that gives a good tone, everything from the resonance of the wood, the contact points of the strings, the materials used, the construction methods, all these come into play way before a pickup even gets to see any vibrations, then you've got internal wiring, cable quality and signal loss, set up preferences, then into the minefield that is your amplification device.
Ive heard very good stock chinese pickups that suit instruments really well, ive seen top of the range dimarzios put into high priced ESP guitars and compltely ruin them. I use EMG's for blues and everyone thinks im mad but they sound great in that guitar.
As ever its what sounds good to your ears, not what people are telling you what is good, just because it cost 300 quid doesnt mean it'll sound any good in any guitar, ignore the hype, trust your ears and you wont go far wrong.
I keep such things very simple... a good pickup is the one that gives me my sound, in combination with my prefered amp and guitar
i don't really know, i used to have a strat made exactly from my white strat, same wood, electronics, pickups etc, and the thing sounded SOO different , so i dont really know anymore.
I have thought about this a lot today and the more I think about it the more I am drawn to the conclusion that Sed is right.
For example thinking about the magnets. A magnetic field is a mgnetic field, it can vary in its shape and intensity but it does not matter what material produces it, it is still a magnetic field. So if there is a difference in sound produced by an alnico magnet and a ceramic magnet pickup it must be due to the field shape and flux density around the strings. But i still come back to the thought that these things will change the output level but not really the tone or quality.
However no matter how good the pickup if the string does not vibrate properly even the best pickups in the world will not produce a good sound.
So the guitar itself and its setup are much more important.
could be, but sometimes -i don't know why- with a crappy guitar you can get some good sounds with the right pickups, guitars combination (pickups, strings, effects, amps, mics) are like a roulette for me, anything can happen.
(how to define good tone, steve vai or jack white? to me both are good)
The best pickup in the world can't make a bad guitar sound good but the right pair of pickups can improve the tone of a guitar drastically!
I have tried a lot of pickups in diffrent guitars and they make a hughe diffrence in sound!!!
I tried a high output Alnico 5 pickup in an all mahagony Flying V once and it sounded terrible! The pickup wasn't able to cut through the massive wood and it resulted in a very dull and muddy tone with almost no top end, just like you would put you amp in another room and close the door - the same guitar with a high powered Ceramic Humbucker was like night and day: tight lows and singing lead sounds!
Said ceramic pickup was in a basswood Ibanez before and it was too bright with not enough bass to get a good chugging sound from the guitar. The stock Ibanez pickups before that were pretty bad: muddy bass, no articulation and not much sustain...
Pickups can for sure be a tricky thing, it really depends on the guitar that you want to put them in, and the amp too of course. I once put a Jeff Beck in one of my Les Pauls, a friend of mine had it in a strat type guitar and I liked the tone, but with my Les Paul it sounded horrible, it lasted only a couple of days, until the replacement for it was shipped to be precise
I guess it must have to do with picking up as much from the actual vibration and as loyal as possible,
I wonder if there other methods besides pick ups of doind this
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