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Bb7b9 Chord Theory, What scale is this chord based on?

Nihilist1 View Member Profile	Nov 24 2011, 07:40 AM
Nov 24 2011, 07:40 AM	Learning Apprentice Player Posts: 977 Joined: 1-September 11 From: Chino Hills, California	Could someone kindly tell me what scale is this chord based on? I looked at the actual shape, and I know the notes involved, but maybe I am missing something, as I do not know what scale helps to give this chord its shape. Thank You! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- All the elders have fallen down... Heal her now... All the elders have fallen down... Heal her now... Grandfather elk Turned to me And spoke: Light the fire deep inside. Light the fires!

Cosmin Lupu View Member Profile	Nov 24 2011, 09:47 AM
Nov 24 2011, 09:47 AM	Instructor Posts: 22.808 Joined: 14-June 10 From: Bucharest	QUOTE (Nihilist1 @ Nov 24 2011, 06:40 AM) Could someone kindly tell me what scale is this chord based on? I looked at the actual shape, and I know the notes involved, but maybe I am missing something, as I do not know what scale helps to give this chord its shape. Thank You! Good morning mate! The 7b9 chord can be combined with the Phrygian Dominant scale -> 1 b2 3 4 5 b6 b7 8 it will have that oriental sound because of the flat second - look it up, it's very popular You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My lessons We can work on YOUR GUITAR and MUSIC development TOGETHER. Write me a private message if you wish to! Please subscribe to my Youtube Channel Days Of Confusion Facebook Page Mozart Rocks My facebook page

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Nov 24 2011, 11:04 AM
Nov 24 2011, 11:04 AM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	If we presume that "Bb7b9" is from phrygian-dominant scale, we would have to presume that it has both major third and perfect fifth, which is a bit unclear from the description of the chord. Phrygian-dominant is the 5th mode of the harmonic minor scale. Harmonic minor scale also features 7 modes (like regular minor scale), and also features 7 chords, build from those modes. For example A harmonic minor, and the set of 7th chords for it: CODE Chord Notes Formula Am(maj7) A, C, E, G# 1-b3-b-7 Bø B, D, F, A 1-b3-b5-b7 C7(#5) C, E, G#, B 1-3-#5-7 Dm7 D, F, A, C 1-b3-5-b7 E7 E, G#, B, D 1-3-5-b7 F7 F, A, C, E 1-3-5-7 G#o G#, B, D, F 1-b3-b5-bb7 And here's the pattern: If you take a look at the E-F relation, you'll see it's minor 9th interval, which brings us to "b7b9" chord or shortly: E7b9 However, since there is no description for third and fifth, we could easily fit the Bdiminished chord into this category too, since it also features b7b9 notes. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Nov 24 2011, 11:05 AM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

Daniel Realpe View Member Profile	Nov 24 2011, 06:22 PM
Nov 24 2011, 06:22 PM	Instructor Posts: 5.655 Joined: 11-October 09 From: Bogota	I thought he meant Bb but yeah that's correct if it's B with a b7 and a b9 You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Visit my: INSTRUCTOR PROFILE "If a composer could say what he had to say in words he would not bother trying to say it in music." Gustav Mahler Subscribe to my Youtube Channel here

Nihilist1 View Member Profile	Nov 24 2011, 06:40 PM
Nov 24 2011, 06:40 PM	Learning Apprentice Player Posts: 977 Joined: 1-September 11 From: Chino Hills, California	QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Nov 24 2011, 10:04 AM) If we presume that "Bb7b9" is from phrygian-dominant scale, we would have to presume that it has both major third and perfect fifth, which is a bit unclear from the description of the chord. Phrygian-dominant is the 5th mode of the harmonic minor scale. Harmonic minor scale also features 7 modes (like regular minor scale), and also features 7 chords, build from those modes. For example A harmonic minor, and the set of 7th chords for it: CODE Chord Notes Formula Am(maj7) A, C, E, G# 1-b3-b-7 Bø B, D, F, A 1-b3-b5-b7 C7(#5) C, E, G#, B 1-3-#5-7 Dm7 D, F, A, C 1-b3-5-b7 E7 E, G#, B, D 1-3-5-b7 F7 F, A, C, E 1-3-5-7 G#o G#, B, D, F 1-b3-b5-bb7 And here's the pattern: If you take a look at the E-F relation, you'll see it's minor 9th interval, which brings us to "b7b9" chord or shortly: E7b9 However, since there is no description for third and fifth, we could easily fit the Bdiminished chord into this category too, since it also features b7b9 notes. Thank you very much Ivan! Now I can continue studying "My Funny Valentine" QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Nov 24 2011, 05:22 PM) I thought he meant Bb but yeah that's correct if it's B with a b7 and a b9 I am sorry for the confusion. I did mean B b7 b9. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- All the elders have fallen down... Heal her now... All the elders have fallen down... Heal her now... Grandfather elk Turned to me And spoke: Light the fire deep inside. Light the fires!

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Nov 24 2011, 09:54 PM
Nov 24 2011, 09:54 PM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	Yes, I saw the Bb7b9, but it sounded a bit confusing without the third or fifth displayed. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

Nihilist1 View Member Profile	Nov 25 2011, 02:27 AM
Nov 25 2011, 02:27 AM	Learning Apprentice Player Posts: 977 Joined: 1-September 11 From: Chino Hills, California	QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Nov 24 2011, 08:54 PM) Yes, I saw the Bb7b9, but it sounded a bit confusing without the third or fifth displayed. Do you think you could explain how the scale(mode) would possibly fit in the key of Eb Major/C minor, if the chord in question is Bdim? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- All the elders have fallen down... Heal her now... All the elders have fallen down... Heal her now... Grandfather elk Turned to me And spoke: Light the fire deep inside. Light the fires!

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Nov 25 2011, 11:13 AM
Nov 25 2011, 11:13 AM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	There's no B note in Eb key, here's the pattern (notes are with #, so D# should be Eb here): B dim is from C major key. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

Nihilist1 View Member Profile	Nov 25 2011, 07:29 PM
Nov 25 2011, 07:29 PM	Learning Apprentice Player Posts: 977 Joined: 1-September 11 From: Chino Hills, California	QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Nov 25 2011, 10:13 AM) There's no B note in Eb key, here's the pattern (notes are with #, so D# should be Eb here): B dim is from C major key. Thank you for the help Ivan. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- All the elders have fallen down... Heal her now... All the elders have fallen down... Heal her now... Grandfather elk Turned to me And spoke: Light the fire deep inside. Light the fires!

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