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Posted by: Kapto Nov 30 2008, 06:58 PM

Hi
Maybe this question has been posted before. Anyway I'll go ahead
OK I open Cubase and load a vst..... bass, synth or drum. The thing is that I get like 0.5 sec delay that's a lot. While playing the second note I hear the 1st note I hit previously. Do I need to buy some software or hardware to hear the sound almost at real time?
Thanx for any advice given

Posted by: Hisham Al-Sanea Nov 30 2008, 10:05 PM

i think you dont need any software to buy. & i think this problem is ordinary to the midi keyboard, so you have to move the track by mouse to reset the delay between tracks.

Posted by: Kapto Nov 30 2008, 10:54 PM

huh so there's nothing that can be done in real time?
Thank you

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Dec 1 2008, 12:03 AM

What keyboard and sound card do you have mate?

Posted by: Ramiro Delforte Dec 1 2008, 12:39 AM

In Nuendo (Cubase is almost the same, they are from the same company) you have in the Menu-Devices-Device Setup-VST Audiobay
There you have different drivers, if you change them the latency time will change, you can try that. If that doesn't work could be that you need a better sound card.

Hope that will help you.

Posted by: Kapto Dec 1 2008, 03:27 AM

Lol The soundcard is the one that comes with the motherboard Realtek so nooothing special.

I guess Ramiro & Ivan are right. A better sound card might do the trick.
Thanks again

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Dec 2 2008, 12:18 AM

Definitely get a better soundcard, the MIDI latency is probably due to the poor integrated soundcard. It's time for an early Christmas shopping mate.

Posted by: Dejan Farkas Dec 2 2008, 12:23 AM

Sometimes before I tried to connect MIDI keyboard on Realtek on-board sound, but it was not working well, even with Asio4all drivers, at that time I bought Creative Audigy2 ZS sound blaster to be able to use the MIDI keyboard, it's not the best option but just a low-budget one

Posted by: Kapto Dec 2 2008, 12:59 AM

Well as long as it works fine that's ok.
Thx I'll check it out

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Dec 2 2008, 01:36 AM

It should work, I used this card for some time. I think it only enables 96000 sampling, Dejan could confirm that.

Posted by: Dejan Farkas Dec 2 2008, 01:57 AM

Yes, it has 24bit, 96kHz and works fine with asio4all drivers, I think the latency was about 10ms, which is ok.

I used it also for some guitar recording, but the trouble was when I wanted to have more than one audio track with guitar rig inserted on each, then few midi tracks with vst's.. this card could not handle it so I had to move to M-Audio Audiophile 2496.

For MIDI controller the Audigy will work fine, but if you plan to use like I mentioned above, you'll have to consider something better

Posted by: Kapto Dec 2 2008, 10:05 AM

Yeah, I think I'll go for the Audigy. I record guitar on the GNX4. I just wanna mess about with the midi controler as it's something new to me.
Thank you guys. I appreciate the help

Posted by: Emir Hot Dec 2 2008, 11:10 AM

I remember long ago when I had a 486 computer I connected very cheap keyboard into my SB AWE 32 sound card. It worked great. Midi doesn't have any conversion and every midi controler is designed to work the same. It just sends a simple information to program. Because there is no conversion to audio signal the latency shouldn't be a problem with midi. There must be something in settings. I remember I had to change something in the keyboard setup and I was able to record.

Posted by: Dejan Farkas Dec 2 2008, 11:34 AM

I agree with you Emir to some point, MIDI input is not a problem here.. the latency appear when assigning VSTi to a MIDI channel since today's VSTi are actually real audio samples, and onboard audio cards cannot hadle it, especially if you have drums, bass and keys as VSTi, and also monitoring the recording track, while playing back the other tracks

The easiest way to check if keyboard input is ok is to recording something simple with cubase metronome (not paying attention to latency), and then check in MIDI editor if the MIDI lines are aligned to the grid.. if the timing of MIDI lines is ok, then the keyboard input is ok, and the problem lies in reproduction.

I also did not have any problem with 586 machine with SB AWE 32, but I was just using integrated general midi soundbank

But that's only my opinion

Posted by: enforcer Dec 2 2008, 11:58 AM

If your latency problem is not solved, you may as well try to record your take in Microsoft SW Synth (windows built-in) and after recording it, you'll send it to a VSTi by simply changing the MIDI output.. Remember it always work

Posted by: Emir Hot Dec 2 2008, 12:02 PM

Ok now I understand Dejan. Thanks for explanation.
In this case i would record with integrated GM sounds and there should be no latency. It's not really fun to listen to these sounds but it can help in an emergency After I can apply VST instrument to the same track. He said he is using onboard sound card so he must have integrated GM.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Dec 2 2008, 12:02 PM

I had this problem. Make sure you're using ASIO drivers in your recording suite as they run better and give a better latency value so you can record without the delay. I'm not sure whether it will still be bad with your onboard sound but it'll make it better.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Dec 2 2008, 08:25 PM

Did you get the Audigy card mate? They should be around 10/15 bucks these days.. You can even get Audigy SE this is really cheap and it does all the work Dejan did with his Audigy card when he was using it.

Posted by: Kapto Dec 3 2008, 02:57 AM

Lol no that cheap about 30/40 the Audigy 2 zs. I'm bidding on one on Ebay. 16hrs remaining
BTW
The recording is fine I see the recorded tracks with a right timing it's just that I like to hear what I play with the shortest delay possible.
I'll keep you updated on this one, no worries

Posted by: enforcer Dec 3 2008, 04:15 AM

man I remembered times when I was trying to mix near 50 tracks with an audigy platinium (that I spent nearly $200 a few years back) it was a real torture. I am happy nowadays with my $150 spent used M-Audio Delta 1010LT, not the greatest jewel on the market for sure but it suits my needs

Posted by: SensE Dec 3 2008, 04:48 AM

I'm using a firewire interface and Realtek on-board soundcard. Do I need to purchase an extra soundcard to overcome the latency issue?

Posted by: Dejan Farkas Dec 3 2008, 08:15 AM

Would you please tell us what do you mean by "using firewire interface"
- you connect your MIDI keyboard to firewire connector, or
- you have an external audio interface where you connect your MIDI keyboard, connected to firewire connector

Posted by: Nemanja Filipovic Dec 3 2008, 08:47 AM

Delta is a great card.

Posted by: Gerardo Siere Dec 3 2008, 10:04 AM

In cubasen there is at the left of everytrack a clock icon where you can compensate the deley for the track, you can record and then use it, then you can fix somo wrong notes using the piano-roll.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Dec 4 2008, 02:09 PM

Do you use firewire for video camera mate or for MIDI keyboard?

Posted by: SensE Dec 5 2008, 03:07 AM

Im using the Presonus firebox. I cannot connect my keyboard into this firewire interface because my keybaord doesnt have the spdif output. What I did was connecting the keybaord to my computer straight away via USB port. It has quite a bit of latency issue.

Posted by: Dejan Farkas Dec 5 2008, 09:03 AM

OK, first make sure your system is connected this way:



And secondly, to connect your MIDI to MIDI/SPDIF you need a breakout cable, like this (such cables are usually packed with devices)



Ane then just connect MIDI OUT on keyboard to MIDI IN on the breakout cable, with MIDI cable (assuming that you have MIDI OUT on your keyboard):



The other option is connecting the MIDI keyboard via USB, and leaving the rest of the system as described on the Hook-up diagram. Try all this, and let us know if it works

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Dec 5 2008, 08:15 PM

THat's really strange mate, this interface of yours should not have any latency issues with the keyboard. What DAW software do you use? Did you choose ASIO Firebox drivers as default drivers in your DAW?

Posted by: Kapto Dec 12 2008, 05:35 PM

OK just recieved the Audigy SE soundcard today. Installed it and it does the job. There's a liiiitle delay (which I guess is normal) but nothing compare as before.
Thanks for the help guys!

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Dec 13 2008, 09:31 AM

No problem mate, glad you got your problem fixed. I worked with Audigy SE card for some time, and it's a good card to start with.