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[lcsdds]

Will do.

I don't write anything for the current band. Yet. Someday....

I want to write real interesting stuff. But I always end up with some basic greasy rock powerchord thing that bores me senseless....

I'll email you the latest one.

I'll check it out. Do you know the progression? Jeremy listen to some EVH 'Dance the night away", "5150", "the dream is over", etc. All that stuff is just EVH riffing on triads, mostly on the D, G and B string shapes. You can get some cool stuff going when you play these with distortion and arpegiate them while muting them etc.

Pick a powerchord progression you have been fiddling with and let me know what it is. Or better yet, come up with a new progression in the Key or A major or any of the related modes, B dorian, D Lydian etc. and lets start working on some riffs just using triads combined with the box shapes for the diatonic and pentatonic scales. Once you see how this works you have all kinds of ideas.

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[jer]

lets use the one I emailed. The intro is in some form of C. Not real sure how to determine key honestly. Its a Cmaj Cmin thing if I'm thinking correctly...

Also, I'm getting confused on what our assignments are.

1. 2 licks in the kaz-box goodness thread. Due by the end of the month.
2. my electric eye licks. Ongoing.
3. ________ Seems that there was something else.....
4. You asked about 2 things I wanted to improve, there will be exercises/lessons based on these yes?
5. Working on my riff I submitted. Making it "more awesome"

I'm confused.... There is content all over the place here, its hard to keep it all straight.

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This post has been edited by jer: Mar 2 2009, 06:57 PM

[lcsdds]

lets use the one I emailed. The intro is in some form of C. Not real sure how to determine key honestly. Its a Cmaj Cmin thing if I'm thinking correctly...

Also, I'm getting confused on what our assignments are.

1. 2 licks in the kaz-box goodness thread. Due by the end of the month.
2. my electric eye licks. Ongoing.
3. ________ Seems that there was something else.....
4. You asked about 2 things I wanted to improve, there will be exercises/lessons based on these yes?
5. Working on my riff I submitted. Making it "more awesome"

I'm confused.... There is content all over the place here, its hard to keep it all straight.

You are right. I'll post on the main board so everybody can keep it straigh!!

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[jer]

whats #3?

Am I missing one?

Ahhhhh the D Lydian collab.

Got it.



Jer's updated list.

1. 2 licks in the kaz-box goodness thread. Due by the end of the month.
2. D Lydian constructed solo. Due by the end of the month.
3. my electric eye licks. (ongoing)
4. You asked about 2 things I wanted to improve, there will be exercises/lessons based on these, yes? (ongoing)
5. Working on my riff I submitted. Making it "more awesome" (ongoing)

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[jer]

Correction

Triads-All 3 Major and Minor positions

Diatonic Boxes-Know the Ioninan, Dorian and Phrygian positions

Pentatonic boxes-Know positions 1, 2 and 5. I know this is out of order but I'll show you why later.

Kaz-Box licks-2 Monthly Kaz-Box licks with the parameters set in the "Kaz-Box" thread.

Monthly Collab-"D Lydian this month".

For this:

Diatonic Boxes-Know the Ioninan, Dorian and Phrygian positions

Take Ionian for example. I'm not clear on what exactly you are asking. These are scale shapes right? Are you wanting the entire Ionian scale over the entire fretboard? Or just 1 position starting on the 6th string root?

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[lcsdds]

Correction



For this:



Take Ionian for example. I'm not clear on what exactly you are asking. These are scale shapes right? Are you wanting the entire Ionian scale over the entire fretboard? Or just 1 position starting on the 6th string root?

Just the first 3 boxes from the tab. I labeled all 7 positions. Obviously the names correspond with the starting note on the low E. Ionian starts from A, Dorian starts from B etc,. Just the first 3 box shapes for now.


Jer make sure you check out the general discussion thread, we are talking about pentatonics.

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I cant view the GP files here at work, is this what you are talking about? (fingering on the 3rd one may be off, I'll go off the GP file if its different.)


forget that D on the 10th fret, E string....

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This post has been edited by jer: Mar 2 2009, 08:28 PM

[lcsdds]

I cant view the GP files here at work, is this what you are talking about? (fingering on the 3rd one may be off, I'll go off the GP file if its different.)


forget that D on the 10th fret, E string....

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The middle one is wrong...

SHould be..

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[jer]

Nice catch Dan.

You passed the test.



Cool. I've got Ionian down to memory already. I'll get the others down here shortly.

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Triads-All 3 Major and Minor positions

For this, the 3 positions are the string groupings correct? Not inversions or anything yet, right?

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For this, the 3 positions are the string groupings correct? Not inversions or anything yet, right?

All the inversions are there. If you take one of the positions and play the triad on the G-B-E strings then you drop the note on the High E and play it on the D instead to where you triad is now played on the D-G-B strings. So now you are playing an inversion. Same three notes just a different order.

If I played an A maj triad---A-C#-E....with the A on the G string...C# on the B string....E on the E string. That is the root position for that string grouping because the root is on the lowest string. Now staying on those 3 strings...GBE....If I slide up the neck and now I have the C# on the G string....E on the B string .....and A on the E string.. I have just played what is called the first inversion. You could do the same thing staying in the box and just shifting string groupings so I would play a triad on these string groups.. GBE...DGB..ADG...EAD. That is all inversions are. Just changing which note is played where in the string grouping.. Get it???

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I get it, I'm just not sure what you mean by:

Triads-All 3 Major and Minor positions

Arent there a LOT more than 3? Which 3?

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I get it, I'm just not sure what you mean by:



Arent there a LOT more than 3? Which 3?

If you learn the A shapes and the C# minor shapes then you know ALL you Major and Minor shapes. Just a matter of sliding them up and down the neck to find which one you want. Think of the three boxes as a scale. For A major...if you start on the low E and find A (5th fret) there is a box or triad shape starting from there. So there would be and A on the E string.....C# on the A string...E on the D string....back to A on the G string....C# again on the B string.... and E again on the high E. Now shift up to C# on the low E and do it again....Same thing from E on the low E. So three positions or boxes, one starting from each note in the triad. These can be played as chords or arpeggios. Lots of cool stuff to do with triads!!!

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wouldnt there be 4 shapes though?

1 for strings 6,5,4
1 for strings 5,4,3
1 for strings 4,3,2
1 for strings 3,2,1

Or do we only count 3 since the 1st 2 are the same?

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wouldnt there be 4 shapes though?

1 for strings 6,5,4
1 for strings 5,4,3
1 for strings 4,3,2
1 for strings 3,2,1

Or do we only count 3 since the 1st 2 are the same?

Four when going vertically up the neck and 3 when going horizontally. Just like you can play a scale all on one string ala Yngwie, you can play triads like you listed them or stay on the same string set and slide them up. With the four like you listed it though you will get a repeat of the order but it will be in an octave higher or lower.

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yeah, I didnt follow that.

if we are playing a triad/chord, we are playing 3 notes simultaneously.

There are 6 strings.

So there are 4 possibilities for playing 3 strings at once.

strings 6,5,4
strings 5,4,3
strings 4,3,2
strings 3,2,1

So isnt that 4 possible triads for any given key?

In each position?

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yeah, I didnt follow that.

if we are playing a triad/chord, we are playing 3 notes simultaneously.

There are 6 strings.

So there are 4 possibilities for playing 3 strings at once.

strings 6,5,4
strings 5,4,3
strings 4,3,2
strings 3,2,1

So isnt that 4 possible triads for any given key?

In each position?

That is right Jer!! But what I was saying was that you can also just play the triads found on treble strings in the first box, then slide up to the shape on the treble strings in the 2nd box and then slide up to the shape on the treble strings in the 3rd box. So moving horizontally between the three boxes BUT staying on the same string grouping there are 3 shapes. If you just stay in the box like you are saying and move vertcally IN THE SAME BOX then there are 4 possiblities like you said.

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Right, you can slide up and down the neck, holding the same shape. I get that of course.

So what does this mean?

Triads-All 3 Major and Minor positions

Major triads, minor triads, I understand that.

Isn't position where you are on the neck? What do you mean by "3 positions?"

Dont we have like 22 or 24 positions?

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