Trying To Learn How To Mess With The Eq, dont know what all this does |
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Trying To Learn How To Mess With The Eq, dont know what all this does |
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Jul 10 2013, 07:15 AM |
hi, ive got some stuff ready for the rec, today ive been messing with a different way for my to record. Ive been using a blackstar amp's emulated output, the sound i think sounds very good, and its easy to get the sound into my computer and levels are so easy to get right very quickly.
while im at this im trying to make it sound better and make the guitar fit into the mix more, after messing with EQ, low cut, high cut, and compressor plug ins i just sounds like i make it worse, but i think if i learn it this will become very usefull, heres the sound cloud of my take and a screenshot of what i did to all the things i mentioned above. and by the way i accidently had the low cut bypassed on this recording i think, i noticed it when i was about to take a screen shot then turned it on, but was turned on after the recording Suggestions? https://soundcloud.com/rockmusic-915/eq-skatepunk This post has been edited by dcz702: Jul 10 2013, 07:39 AM
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Jul 10 2013, 03:24 PM |
In a professional environment, plug-in's are considered as only problem solvers rather than shaping. The (main) reason big budget studios have so much outboard is creating the best sound for recording, not after. Plug-in companys market these as it they make everything sound better the moment its inserted but thats pure wrong. Seriously, the best mixes are %90 made of good recording tone, pan and level balance. Its actually ok if they sound a little separate since they glue on the mastering process. I listened to the mix and seems its mudded with too much bas/low-mid which is usually caused by not enough room treatement or too much compression (either on individual tracks or master channel). Don't try replicating the albums sound exactly on the mix process, remember they are mastered and for the last 10 years too much loudness process is happening on the mastering stage of production. I usually advice replicating good live sound, go to as many concerts as possible even classical music and try obtaining a reference naturally. This is exactly what I think based on my recording experiences. If the sound that you are recording isn't killer, you won't be able to make it amazing with EQs and Compression. You can give the final touch, or make audible something that is not good. But the only way to get a killer guitar sound is to generate it from your amp, and the mic position is also very important. The adjustments that I do during the mix depends on many things like the amp that I used, the guitar and the sound that I'm looking for. But I usually add a low cut, make narrow cuts of frequencies that I don't like (most of the times around 1.5 and 3 KHZ), increase harmonics also around 3 KHZ and if it's a emulated amp, I add a high cut filter for the higher frequencies. Darius suggestions about giving it one day to recheck with your ear fresh is the way to go! -------------------- My lessons
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Jul 10 2013, 05:07 PM |
If you are recording/mixing more than one instrument/vocal then what is important is thow well they sit together and that is not the same as making each instrument/vocal sound its best in isolation of each other.
As for how you use a comp and/or eq... I've written several forum threads here on GMC about this albeit you might have to dig to find them. I have to disagree with with the use a multiband comp when you mix - broadband is more than sufficient particularly if you side chain. If you use an MBC/splitband you run a very real risk of introducing phase issues and unbalancing individual instruments/vocals. The 'cure' is worse than the 'illness'. Rather like Mertay says MBCs tend to be more marketing hype pushed by vst manufacturers. Mastering engineers more often than not have to do what we are told by the producer. The volume wars are not the fault of mastering engineers and many of us are opposed to it. I'd also say that more often than not in my experience that the mix nowadays is smashed BEFORE it's sent to the mastering engineer. This is partly as more and more mix engineers have started to do their own 'mastering' and believe that it is all about slapping a comp and limiter on the 2 bus to get volume. VST manufacturers also have a role to play here as some of them publish marketing rubbish that pushes this nonsense. It is not what mastering is. Just to add following on from Mertay's comment that very few of us professional engineers use vsts for character/colour. Very true and it's also worth noting that we tend to use the hardware rather than software emulations. I come across a lot of people who, for instance, say they have and use an API 2500 compressor but mean they have and use a vst. We own and use the real hardware unit and we've compared it with the vst and the two are not the same. If they were the same then us pros would all have bought a vst rather than spend 10 X more on the hardware. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
Be friends on facebook with us here. We use professional, mastering grade hardware in our mastering studo. Our hardware includes: Cranesong Avocet II Monitor Controller, Dangerous Music Liasion Insert Hardware Router, ATC SCM Pro Monitors, Lavry Black DA11, Prism Orpheus ADC/DAC, Gyratec Gyraf XIV Parallel Passive Mastering EQ, Great River MAQ 2NV Mastering EQ, Kush Clariphonic Parallel EQ Shelf, Maselec MLA-2 Mastering Compressor, API 2500 Mastering Compressor, Eventide Eclipse Reverb/Echo. |
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Jul 11 2013, 02:49 AM |
This guy has a lot of good tutorials and I learn a lot from him.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL26855E6BFEA3AA9A |
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Jul 11 2013, 05:08 AM |
This guy has a lot of good tutorials and I learn a lot from him. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL26855E6BFEA3AA9A Thanks fireball. Ill check this out. I didn't mention the amp I was using is a 1 watt ht1 it has no eq on the amp that's why I was trying to mess with eq in the daw. |
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Jul 11 2013, 11:41 AM |
Hi Darius,
yes there are some, albeit very few, occassions when a splitband is a good tool for a job whilst mixing. Nonetheless those are very specific instances and what I'm objecting to is the overuse of them for every and all occassions where a broadband comp could do a much better job and cause fewer issues. Splitbands tend to get marketted as a' band aid' that people can use anytime, anywhere: they're not and when they are treated as such they almost always do more harm than good. I also think that it's worth remembering that many people struggle with understanding how to use compressors and which are appropriate for particular situations. Splitbands are much more complicated than the majority of broadband compressors. So I think most people would benefit more by learning how to broadband comp first. For what it's worth and just based on your description of your particular mix issue it sounds like there are other ways of approaching it. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
Be friends on facebook with us here. We use professional, mastering grade hardware in our mastering studo. Our hardware includes: Cranesong Avocet II Monitor Controller, Dangerous Music Liasion Insert Hardware Router, ATC SCM Pro Monitors, Lavry Black DA11, Prism Orpheus ADC/DAC, Gyratec Gyraf XIV Parallel Passive Mastering EQ, Great River MAQ 2NV Mastering EQ, Kush Clariphonic Parallel EQ Shelf, Maselec MLA-2 Mastering Compressor, API 2500 Mastering Compressor, Eventide Eclipse Reverb/Echo. |
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Jul 11 2013, 12:22 PM |
Yes dynamic eq is one if you automate it. Also automated fader riding, trying different VCA comps and attack and release times, post mix spectral editing and so on are othe possibilities. What works thugh really depends on the mix.
-------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
Be friends on facebook with us here. We use professional, mastering grade hardware in our mastering studo. Our hardware includes: Cranesong Avocet II Monitor Controller, Dangerous Music Liasion Insert Hardware Router, ATC SCM Pro Monitors, Lavry Black DA11, Prism Orpheus ADC/DAC, Gyratec Gyraf XIV Parallel Passive Mastering EQ, Great River MAQ 2NV Mastering EQ, Kush Clariphonic Parallel EQ Shelf, Maselec MLA-2 Mastering Compressor, API 2500 Mastering Compressor, Eventide Eclipse Reverb/Echo. |
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Jul 11 2013, 04:33 PM |
To be clear my use of multiband is simialr to dynamic eq. I'm turing off the compression on all other frequencies and setting high ratio for cutting only the "clips". I always try to not affect the signal while nothing bad happens. ... Good to hear that . It's surprising how many don't turn off the bands they aren't using. Anyway it might be a goodi idea Darius for you to have a chat with your mastering engineer and see if they have some suggestions, particularly if they've heard a 'before' and 'after' examples. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
Be friends on facebook with us here. We use professional, mastering grade hardware in our mastering studo. Our hardware includes: Cranesong Avocet II Monitor Controller, Dangerous Music Liasion Insert Hardware Router, ATC SCM Pro Monitors, Lavry Black DA11, Prism Orpheus ADC/DAC, Gyratec Gyraf XIV Parallel Passive Mastering EQ, Great River MAQ 2NV Mastering EQ, Kush Clariphonic Parallel EQ Shelf, Maselec MLA-2 Mastering Compressor, API 2500 Mastering Compressor, Eventide Eclipse Reverb/Echo. |
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Jul 11 2013, 05:19 PM |
This guy has a lot of good tutorials and I learn a lot from him. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL26855E6BFEA3AA9A Interesting stuff. I bookmarked it. Thanks for sharing. -------------------- My lessons
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