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Jul 29 2013, 05:58 PM
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Hi Todd! this is a very interesting thread. I'm curious about the details that your secret sauce. What direct box are you using before the software and what difference do you note?
Also... what happens with dynamics when you are playing rhythm guitar mostly in metal? -------------------- My lessons
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Jul 29 2013, 09:14 PM
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Todd, can you please not keep the secret sauce secret any more?
 I'm really in need of good tone please 
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Jul 29 2013, 09:30 PM
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The direct box is a CHEAP behringer ULTRA DI PRO rack mount, active unit. It has a 20 DB boost on it (the secret sauce is that it's a full range clean boost, it doesn't have a mid range hump like a stomp box so it boosts all frequuencies evenly, from deep bass to high treble)
Link to their web site (These run about $100) http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/DI4000.aspx  *****This is CRUCUAL imho for working with sims. You need to hit the front end of a software amp sim pretty hard to get the kind of high gain sound you would from a big amp. Not to say a tubescreamer won't do the trick. It will!!! But, overdrive pedals are very mid range focused and for 7 and 8 string/downtuned stuff, the mids can sometimes get in the way. So for ERG (extended range guitar) stuff, I prefer the DI BOX. For 6 string stuff, I have JOYO/NUX/PRO TONE overdrives (any of which work fine). But thats not all!!!!!! SUPER SECRET SAUCE  (PRE EQ)As many folks know, adding an eq before you go to your sim/amp is a game changer. Without cutting some of the lows at the front end, sims can easily sound flubby/boomy/crappy and not very tight. So after the 20db clean boost, I use the EQ on my Interface/Mixer to shave 25% off of 100HZ (the LOW knob is set to 100) This creates a very TIGHT djenty sound. So thats the secret to getting your sims/plugin amps to sound spiff IMHO Works for me!!  Here are a couple of demos. Here is a DJENTY sort of high gain patch. Notice that it's not flubby/boomy. https://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/six-demon-bag-preview-presolo This is a VAN HALEN type sound I built. The preset is in my preset thread in my personal board. https://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/vanhalenish-patch-overloud-th2 So yeah, Secret Sauce! 1.)Full Range Boost, 10-20 DB (for ERG) 2.)Cut 100 HZ on input before sim, about 25%. GET THIS!!! YOU CAN SKIP THE RACK DI AND THE MIXER!!! IF......... You can do all of this with one piece of gear if you have one. It's called a SANSAMP PARADRIVER. I just ordered one! It has the full range boost and a parametric EQ built in!!! Used they are about $150 U.S.  DON"T FORGET DYNAMICS!!!! As gabe mentioned, "what do you do about dynamics? Playing high gain?". Good question!!!! The good news is, if you apply the secret sauce, you can use the volume knob on the guitar itself to starve the chain of just a smidge of gain and the amp sim will react like a tube amp would since it's getting plenty of signal, it just adds in some sag/bounce when you pull back. Here is a sample of a BRUNETTI tube amp setup with the volume knob pulled back a bit. Very dynamic https://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/overloud-th2-brunetti-head-and  So you can use this thing live with an amp, or with your laptop/plugins. It takes the place o my rack mount di box and takes the place of my mixer doing the pre eq. And it's a handy small stomp box. QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 29 2013, 12:58 PM)  Hi Todd! this is a very interesting thread. I'm curious about the details that your secret sauce. What direct box are you using before the software and what difference do you note?
Also... what happens with dynamics when you are playing rhythm guitar mostly in metal? This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Jul 29 2013, 09:40 PM |
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That SansAmp DI I can probably get my hands on it for around $100 used here, I'm gonna look around 
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Jul 30 2013, 05:29 AM
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Hey Todd, just curious, do you have a recording of the iPad generated tone you are wanting to emulate in your rig, I'd be interested in knowing.
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Jul 31 2013, 02:24 PM
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I have found the trick with getting amp sims to sound good is to run proper impedance into your interface. A quality direct box with a variable impedance will do a lot of good.
Still have not found a sim I like as well as the real amps. Although they do have their place. I have AxeFX, Guitar Rig 5 and Eleven (full TDM version). -------------------- company contact
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