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Oct 30 2008, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Oct 30 2008, 12:10 PM)  G Min7b5 sorry Minor already has flattened 3rd in it  Correct. Many people call Db and Eb (C# and D#) which in the case of Ab major scale is wrong. Well done. QUOTE (jer @ Oct 30 2008, 12:10 PM) Here's where I get stuck. I know the harmonizing the scale concept. And it makes perfect sense. But how does one use it efficiently? Meaning this. Say I'm a guitar player and someone says play a I-III-VI in Gb. I know what the answer is. But it'll take me about 10 minutes to come up with it. First I gotta find paper, then a pencil, then sit down.... ok, carry the one.... Do you more experienced players have all of this memorized? If you know all the notes on the fretboard instantly on the spot then it shouldn't be that difficult. You can visualise the fretboard instead of memorizing all those letters. That's what helps me most of the time. Many people find it easier to visualise piano keys. -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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Oct 30 2008, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Oct 30 2008, 12:24 PM) I've done classical music theory and sheet music so I know you need a note including A-G in a scale rather than using C and C# in the Ab scale for instance. The trick is that there are no sharps in Ab major scale. Cycle of fifths C major = no accidentals G major = 1 sharp D major = 2 sharps A major = 3 sharps E major = 4 sharps B major = 5 sharps F# major = 6 sharps C#major = 7 sharps Cycle of fourths C major = no accidentals F major = 1 flat Bb major = 2 flats Eb major = 3 flats Ab major = 4 flats Db major = 5 flats Gb major = 6 flats Cb major = 7 flats You can see that Cb major, Db major and Gb major are the same as B major, C# major and F# major. People use the one with less accidentals to write music for easier reading. -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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Oct 30 2008, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Oct 30 2008, 12:38 PM) I thought Cmaj is the one that is all naturals.  Abmaj and Cmaj cannot contain the same notes. Organised Confusion gave you correct answer. I said that Ab major scale doesn't have sharps but it does have 4 flats. QUOTE (jer @ Oct 30 2008, 12:53 PM) yeah, thats confusing. I thought Ab and G# were the same note. Do you guys have the circle of fifths/fourths memorized? It'd be easier if the notes went in order but they dont. C D G A E B F# C# And how do you memorize which notes in each scale are sharp/flat? Or do you just keep a copy of the circle of 5ths in your pocket? Just keep it in the pocket  It's not that difficult.Ab and G# sound the same but there is no key of G# major. There is only a key of Ab major -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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Oct 30 2008, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE (Toroso @ Oct 30 2008, 01:10 PM) Speaking of the circle of fifths. Is there a lesson here that explains this or can someone point me to a source that does? What exactly would you like to know about the cycles? There is not much to be said. Cycle of fifths gives you major scales with shaprs and cycle of fourths major scales with flaths. Both starting with "C". You can easily get all minor keys from there. Just go down a minor third (or up a sixth) and you'll get the relative minor key or scale with the same numbers of accidentals. For example Bb major has 2 flats and G minor also has 2 flats. It's actually the same scale. You can look at Bb major as Ionian mode while G minor would be Aeolian (realative to the Bb root). That's really all to be said about it. QUOTE (jer @ Oct 30 2008, 01:21 PM) 13 people spectating right now. It seems that I'm not the only one thats confused. What I am specifically inquiring about is how to get from "Yeah, I know how to find the answer" to being able to come up with it quickly. Follow me? Like playing a scale. We memorize patterns and shapes. We dont pick a root note and then start thinking ok, whole step, then a whole step, then a half...... We recall in our heads the shape and just let her rip! (at least I do anyway, the shape. I cant really rip yet.... )I do as well. I never think of steps in the scale when playing, maybe sometimes. I know the shape and that's enough. Just learn shapes and of course you always have to know where your root is in any moment. I don't think of too much theory when playing. It just comes with experience that I know my shapes and I am confident that I will not play a wrong note. When it comes to explaination of why you played this and not that, there is where you can use theory for better understanding. But generally just learn scale shapes and you'll be fine. I have just seen that my new lesson about chords is live. Check it out, there are some crazy chord names and intervals explained. -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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Oct 30 2008, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE (jer @ Oct 30 2008, 02:21 PM) What I am specifically inquiring about is how to get from "Yeah, I know how to find the answer" to being able to come up with it quickly. You do that by first memorizing the formula of chord types in relation to scale degrees: I-------II----III-----IV------ V------VI-------VII - scale degrees major minor minor major major minor diminished - quality of chords So when somebody tells you play : ii-V-I you pretty instantly know its going to be : minor-major-major Next step is to visualize the major scale on fretboard to see what notes are going to be the roots of the chords..It shouldn't be quiz questions , you can start playing the first chord and while you are there in relation to the first chord in progression find and play V and I..By identifying what are chord types going to be-you know which shapes to hold over the root. It will come in time and practice when you'll start recognizing similar/same progressions...And also you will be able to do it vise versa when you see progressions chords (you will be able to spot chord types and than see if its ii-V-I or what every progression it is and in which key is it). -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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Oct 30 2008, 03:43 PM
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Circle tells you how many sharps or flats you have but not which ones you have in the scale.
In the case of shaprs the first sharp is F# (key of G major) and you move that up a fifth and that's the right order of shaprs. So 3 shaprs would be F#, C# and G# which is the key of A major. Flats are the same but you move them up a fourth. The first flat to be written is Bb which is written in the key of F major. 2 flats would be (Bb and Eb) and they show you the key of Bb major. 3 flats would be (Bb, Eb and Ab) = key of Eb major etc... This post has been edited by Emir Hot: Oct 30 2008, 03:44 PM -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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