American/european Notation Difference? Grrrr..., Why H instead of B? Should I re-learn everything? |
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Sep 27 2008, 11:31 AM
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I just started taking live guitar lessons.. And I stumbled on quite a few problems with theory. Not only they name the modes in ohter ways - Ijol instead of Aeolian, Lydic instead of Lydian (they put stres on letter "c") etc.
But the main issue I have is, that They have note H instead of B - and B is Bb in Czech Republic ( i guess that we are not the only country in Europe with this error..). To be exact, the notes are C,Db,D,Eb,E,F,Gb,G,Ab,A,B,H,Cb,C Also, 7b5 chord is called "the average" and instead of Em7 (for example), my teacher writes it as E-7. He notes Minor as minus sing.. What the heck is that? I know, that theory differs, but why that much? Why diffent notes? And he (my teacher) totally destroyed me, when he argued that for example notes Eb and D# are actually different notes - that they somehow differ on fretless instruments, so when talking about intervals, in C Major scale, augumented 4th would be F#, and diminished 5th would be Gb. I feel like total guitar noob... What should I do now? Relearn everything?  My guitar self-esteem is on bottom, because I have problems with playing single chord now..
This post has been edited by Jakub Luptovec: Sep 27 2008, 11:34 AM -------------------- my youtube account with riffs and ideas: https://www.youtube.com/user/Phoenygzus
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Sep 27 2008, 12:03 PM
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Thats one of the reasons why I prefer to use my ears instead of my eyes when it comes to music
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Sep 27 2008, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Sep 27 2008, 01:03 PM)  Thats one of the reasons why I prefer to use my ears instead of my eyes when it comes to music I know what you mean 
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Sep 27 2008, 01:45 PM
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Maybe you could find another teacher. I never realised music was written differently in some places.
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Sep 27 2008, 02:51 PM
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I actually don't believe it's a mistake,
more like some mixed approach. Alphabet goes like A B C D E F G. But if we take C as a starting point and still wanna keep A, then we have C D E F G H ,with A between G and H. Confusing indeed but notation is luckily still the same, problem is just in pronouncing. 
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Sep 27 2008, 03:43 PM
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Thanks guys:) At least I know, that I am not the wrong one, cos my teachers opinion on the B/H Issue was that "those stupid americans always have to have something different"..
@Marcus Siepen / good advice:P The only problem is, that my ears really cant hear difference between notes => i dont have perfect pitch:( This post has been edited by Jakub Luptovec: Sep 27 2008, 03:44 PM -------------------- my youtube account with riffs and ideas: https://www.youtube.com/user/Phoenygzus
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Sep 27 2008, 03:53 PM
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Well it can make quite a racket, especially, when you are supposed to improvise over backing track, and teacher gives you chords (including
 and then yells at you, that you cant play in key
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Sep 27 2008, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE So, your saying that H is a whole different note than the B huh.gif I always thought that it was just that the name that we referred the note with, but the note stayed the same, what ever you called it sad.gif Oh man, I'm screwed Well, I for me, B is B, for my teacher, B is A#
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Sep 27 2008, 05:08 PM
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About the note names here is a link that could explain some of your doubts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Note#History_of_note_names And here is a link about what is the real tuning of the notes in a couple of different systems of intonation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_intervals I hope it was useful.
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Sep 27 2008, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE (kjutte @ Sep 27 2008, 05:44 PM) that's called relative pitch. perfect is being able to hear any note without comparison. Again, the guitar only has 12 notes so this doesn't matter at all. Well.. Altough this doesnt matter on paper, in theory.. still 12 tones, but the trick is the double meaning of the note "b" which means, that in middle/eastern europe you always have to think, who you are talking to - if he uses american-correct (having B note) or european (having H note)set of notes. To show you it from my own experience... Imagine some improvisation gig, where you get chords of the backing right on stage, and you have some B chord there - this situation actually happened to me - and you start wondering, if the bassist is flat-tuned by mistake, or there is misprint in the chord or they just ment A#. While it doesnt "make or brake", its still disturbing and annoying.. @ Jose Mena (sorry for misspronouncing:P): No need to be sorry for science class:P I wanted an answer which you are giving:) Thanks for your input (and everybode else as well, ofc )
This post has been edited by Jakub Luptovec: Sep 27 2008, 05:36 PM -------------------- my youtube account with riffs and ideas: https://www.youtube.com/user/Phoenygzus
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Sep 27 2008, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE (kyldeee @ Sep 27 2008, 04:56 PM) So, your saying that H is a whole different note than the B  I always thought that it was just that the name that we referred the note with, but the note stayed the same, what ever you called it Oh man, I'm screwedH and B are the same note.
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