Creesenator's Composition Workout, for Gab's Army |
HEY MAN, I really need your help...
...the thing is, I need you to start progressing faster then ever, but to achieve that I need your help:
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Sep 26 2017, 02:33 PM
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Hi creesenator! Welcome to your thread for working on composition!
Before we start please share here: - Your 5 favorite bands. - 10 songs that you like. - What do you know about music theory? - Share your own compositions or songs in progress if you have any. -------------------- My lessons
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Sep 26 2017, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 26 2017, 01:33 PM)  Hi creesenator! Welcome to your thread for working on composition! Before we start please share here: - Your 5 favorite bands. - 10 songs that you like. - What do you know about music theory? - Share your own compositions or songs in progress if you have any. - Your 5 favorite bands. This is a tough one of course probably don’t have 5 favorite, but here are are 5 bands I have liked over the years probably the longest. 1. Pearl Jam 2. RHCP 3. RATM 4.Muse 5.Soundgarden Other bands I have liked more recently - System of A Down, Five Finger Death Punch, Three days Grace, Shinedown, Chevelle and some older stuff would be Foo Fighters, Collective Soul, STP, Audioslave, Iron Maiden, Aerosmith, Metallica, Megadeath. - 10 songs that you like. Another tough one but I will give it a shot, both new and old. They are all over the place. Muse - Hysteria Chevelle - Vitamin R (Leading Us Along) Velvet Revolver - Slither Breaking Benjamin - Polyamorous System of A down - Chop Suey Pearl Jam - Even Flow RHCP - Can’t Stop Collective Soul - Shine Audioslave - Show me how to live Volbeat - Fallen - What do you know about music theory? I feel pretty good about music theory. I wish I could play as well as I knew music theory. I know all of the modes, major, minor, and pentatonic scales and can find my way around the fretboard pretty good. I know all my chords and in the past worked on some exotic scales and chords that I have since forget because I never use. - Share your own compositions or songs in progress if you have any. I haven’t really spent much time in the past putting together songs. But here are a couple I have been focusing on the last little bit. https://soundcloud.com/crees-enator/get-back-up - this one has maybe a cult of personality vibe https://soundcloud.com/crees-enator/stoner - This is not mine(it’s yours). I took your stoner rock 2 lesson and re arranged it a little bit and came up with this. |
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Sep 27 2017, 02:27 PM
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Excelent! I've enjoyed that Living colour style tune! It's also interesting to hear how you took my lesson to compose your own track. That's a very good trick to practice composition. What are you using to record your ideas? Which daw and drum vsti?
It seems that you have enough knowledge to start analising some songs and then applying the concepts learn. I consider esential to know all the details behind our favorite music to find out which elements and concepts are used to get those sounds that we like. The first taks is to analise son structures. Please write down the structure of each of the 10 songs that you've shared here. By structure I reffer to parts like intro, verse, pre chorus, chorus, bridge, and so. -------------------- My lessons
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Sep 30 2017, 04:04 PM
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Fantastic work mate! The more you get into the songs, the more you'll understand how they are composed. Then, you'll have lots of elements, and concepts in your mind to be applied in your own songs.
The next steps are: 1. Write an arrangement description for each part. 2. Write the chord progression for each part. This can be a lot of work because we are working on many songs. I recommend you doing this with all of them, but feel free to start with a few and then keep on completing it. -------------------- My lessons
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Oct 1 2017, 09:59 PM
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Exactly! Well done with this one. That's what I meant.
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Oct 9 2017, 02:12 PM
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Awesome! Have you compared the songs? Are there any elements that are related or the same? Have you noted any elements that make some of those songs unique?
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Oct 10 2017, 03:56 AM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 9 2017, 01:12 PM) Awesome! Have you compared the songs? Are there any elements that are related or the same? Have you noted any elements that make some of those songs unique? It seems like for the most part they all follow some sort ABABCB or a variation of it. All of the songs for the most part are built around different riff ideas that repeat in the different sections of the songs. Other than that they all are different tunings, major and major keys, and different BPMs for the most part. I did notice the Main riff of shine and fallen are very similar, i never had noticed this before. System of a Down - Chop Suey is probably the song most different from the others in song format. I looked at a couple of their other songs and they seem very unique in song structure. Here is another song I have been working on the last few weeks, since I started analyzing these songs. I took some riffs/chord ideas I had learned from other songs change them around and tried to arrange them following the format of some of the songs I analyzed. I am trying to figure out how to work better with Logic Pro X as well as getting a better sound with my Helix. https://soundcloud.com/crees-enator/dont-run This post has been edited by creesenator: Oct 10 2017, 03:20 PM |
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Oct 10 2017, 04:20 PM
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Hi mate, great job with the analysis. You need to know that the more you do this, the more elements and concepts you'll get. I've done this for many years, by myself and with private students (as well as live streams here).
Your analysis is good, but consider that you could go deeper getting more into arrangement, and melodies. One thing that helped me a lot to train my ear and to start paying attention to things that I wasn't is this Beatles songs analysis done by Allan Pollack: LINK. That man is crazy! and getting into that whole analysis can be tricky, but I like to check a song from time to time because there is always something new to learn from The Beatles. Check it out and let me know what you think. I've checked your song in progress and I think that it's interesting. I recommend you to try to add other instruments, as bass, any vocals, or anything else that emulates the lead melody. I also recommend to keep on improving the arrangement by working on drum fills, adding hi hats, cymbals and so. It can be very inspiring the hear a better sounding song. As soon as you work on lead melodies, you'll notice if there is the track is lacking some more chord progression movement. -------------------- My lessons
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Oct 11 2017, 07:16 PM
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Hi mate, those are two different things but that are very related.
The first one is about lead melody. That's what the vocalist would do on a standard song, or any other instrument on instrumental songs. Your analysis haven't reached lead melodies yet so dedicating some time to this will give you ideas on the type of rhythms, and scales used in your favorite songs. Another important thing about melodies is the note choices over each chord, and how these notes are related harmonically to the chord sounding at each moment. Regarding chord movement, this is a very personal opinion but I have the feel that your song is a bit "quiet" talking harmonically, most of the parts are based on riffs around the root chord. This can be tricky when creating melodies, but it doesn't mean that it's wrong. That's why I've said: "As soon as you work on lead melodies, you'll notice if there is the track is lacking some more chord progression movement." Maybe you work on lead melodies and you like what you get. Does it make sense? -------------------- My lessons
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