Where's Our Civil Rights Going?! |
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people (i hope) are smart enough to never let it go too far
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Jan 9 2009, 07:58 AM
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As I understand it he is right. There is a decision in EU about it and EU is now encouriging (yes, there are other ways to spell that
 ) all it's members to enforce that decision. GB is ofc fast to follow and I'm pretty sure Sweden will be next.I haven't read it in any reliable sorce yt though. Just in the news. Like in this link: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/poli...icle5439604.ece And you are right anyway. Our rights are being degraded day by wit obscure motivation. The true reason is to protect the money and the illusion of living in a safe democracy. /edit: omg the spelling! TEH SPELLING! This post has been edited by blindwillie: Jan 9 2009, 07:59 AM -------------------- Schecter C1 Hellraiser EMG 81/85, replaced with JB/Jazz (SH4/SH2n) w. coilsplit Schecter Revenger HB-105, replaced with EMG 81/85 Stratocaster Deluxe Players Noiseless Ibanez 2550z Blackstar HT5H, Blackheart BH5H w. BH112, Laney LX35D, Line6 Pod XT, Marshall MS-2 Headphones: Sennheiser RS120 Stay tuned... |
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Jan 9 2009, 08:39 AM
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A man (or nation) who gives up freedom for security will lose both.
That's my only thought on this subject. |
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Jan 9 2009, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE (Tono Fyr @ Jan 9 2009, 08:39 AM)  A man (or nation) who gives up freedom for security will lose both. That's my only thought on this subject. Well said. I have a similar thought about this 
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Jan 9 2009, 02:03 PM
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I don't think we will be wearing bracelets, but microchips in our heads or hands.
This is the ultimate control plan, cause then it allows for much better, cheaper and easier access than hacking computers and such. I wouldn't bet on privacy too much these days, everything will become public in the years to follow, specially with VR. Whole world will become public and software, and coding/decoding will be the only barrier. Unlike the real world, decoding someones mail can be done a lot easier than braking into someones house and stealing letters. 
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Jan 9 2009, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Jan 9 2009, 06:08 PM) Great thread ! As far as I know, Serbia is not going to be struck by any of the laws mentioned in years to come. Usually everything that happens in USA then Europe, Serbia follows couple of years later - which in this case I consider to be good news I feel in this world there will always be crime and if somebody decides to commit it there is very little we can do to prevent it - even with all the security measures and tracking. So I would vote for both freedom and "control" but at the end I am happy it doesn't influence my life in Serbia , yet:) Well recently here in Serbia have been announced and maybe already in action the law that allows State services (police etc) to access our Emails and surfing data stored in ISP's...There is a big hype about it since internet providers need to buy (on their own cost) equipment that allows that kind of "spying"... Generally I'm ok with that if it will allow for a safer community...I don't mind them reading my emails if they think I'm a threat and helping them to find "the bad guys" ...But than again it diminishes privacy and boundaries must be set somewhere.I just get a feeling that those boundaries will never be set , and from time to time we'll loose even more privacy... This post has been edited by Bogdan Radovic: Jan 9 2009, 11:14 PM -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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Jan 10 2009, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE (Ajmurrell @ Jan 9 2009, 03:33 AM) I'll be honest straight away. I know very little on this subject! But it seems to me like our civil rights here in the Uk are slowly being erased. Most recently I heard the Police are getting rights to be able to access anyones computer via hacking, and today I read that ALL emails, both sent and recieved, will be stored by our ISP's for 12 months for public service access, including police, health authorities, local councils etc. Our phone call data is also already stored. I wish I knew more on the subject of politics. Especially when it comes to things like this. Any thoughts? They take away your civil rights and give you imaginary protection against a (partially) imaginary threat. And it's actually very sad to see this. Because it's quite clear where we'll end up when we'll follow that path. Orwells 1984 is a great book on the topic (and generally a great book) I think. Protection against terrorists is needed, sure. But do something effective, like bringing education to "terrorist countries" instead of taking away privacy and other civil rights that are required for a working democracy. One more thing to think about, how many people have been killed by terrorists in the last 100 years, and how many have been killed by governments going nuts? - Jonas PS: I hope this post does not offend anybody, it's only meant to express my opinion and I'm not aware of all the nuances of the English language (yet). -------------------- My Website | My Gear | Elixir Nanoweb Strings Review | Installing Schaller Security Locks
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Jan 11 2009, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE (blindwillie @ Jan 9 2009, 07:58 AM) As I understand it he is right. There is a decision in EU about it and EU is now encouriging (yes, there are other ways to spell that ) all it's members to enforce that decision. GB is ofc fast to follow and I'm pretty sure Sweden will be next.I'm glad Norway isn't a part of the EU.. And hopefully never will QUOTE (VinceG @ Jan 9 2009, 08:22 AM) As you grow up more, you start to really realize that because of fear or any acts of terrorism (may it be physical or psychological), the government have the right, especially in US doctrine, that rights must be violated in order to protect the greater good. As you see, the constitution has many loop holes in the system. We may have rights, but those true rights are only in our heads. (Disclaimer; the following opinion/speculation is entirely my own, and does not hold GMC responsible for anything provoked!) Or in the case of the US government, they blow up some of their own buildings and claim their own rights to do and say whatever they like, as long as they slap a "Because of 9/11" on the plans. -------------------- GMC is not just a website... It's a lifestyle!
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Jan 11 2009, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE (Canis @ Jan 11 2009, 06:20 PM) I'm glad Norway isn't a part of the EU.. And hopefully never will That won't save you/us. Regarding Internet surveillance this is very clear, just look where all of your cables are going - into the eu. The next thing the EU is able to put a huge amount of pressure on other European countries to force them to do what they dictate. And finally, if there's a fourth Reich raising we'll all suffer...
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