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Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 6 2015, 06:15 AM

Hello guys! Creativity workouts are back! smile.gif

The idea of these workouts is to dedicate some time to activate our spiritual side. So let's forget about reason for a while, and search deep within for creativity.

This might sound weird to you, but I guarantee once you have got a hang of it, that it will open up new possibilities.

The first experiment consists in visualizing an image that I will share. Using your deeper perception - you should musicalize it with a note, a chord, a noise, a melody, an unfinished idea, a song or whatever you can create. The creation (music) must be original, recorded by yourself and shared here.

Each of us has a different perception of reality and it will be interesting to see different GMC:ers create different musical ideas for the same image. We will then analyze the results.

I will share the first pic soon.

Who is in?

Posted by: Rhida May 6 2015, 05:39 PM

I wanna try that!

Count me in!

Posted by: Evilvanhulin May 6 2015, 09:03 PM

Count me in too !!!

Posted by: Osedmen May 6 2015, 09:08 PM



Cool is a great way to compose something.

I would like to join!

great idea!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 7 2015, 03:48 PM

Cool guys! You're welcome.

This is the first photo for this workout:



photo by Chan Kwok Hung (from Hong Kong)

Close your eyes and get into the photo. Imagine being one of them, imagine being the one who took the photo, imagine being the director of a film and deciding the sound composition. There are different points of view that you can get, and the music that you'll imagine will be totally different.

Remember that just one chord, one note, a noise, a short progression or melody, a 20 seconds song, a complete song, everything is welcome here.

Posted by: Daeron May 7 2015, 04:30 PM

Woaw... this picture activate some opposite emotions in me. I don't know if I'll be able to translate it into music. I never intented this kind of exercise but it is very interesting.

Posted by: Chris S. May 7 2015, 07:07 PM

Hey Gab!

So this is something I've been slowly developing and I think it fits the picture:

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/hear-our-cries-idea-two

(Don't mind the terrible mix - I didn't spend too much on it)

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 8 2015, 03:43 PM

QUOTE (Chris S. @ May 7 2015, 03:07 PM) *
Hey Gab!

So this is something I've been slowly developing and I think it fits the picture:

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/hear-our-cries-idea-two

(Don't mind the terrible mix - I didn't spend too much on it)


Wou! It's beautiful! You're right, your composition is very cinematic and connect amazingly with the photo. I did the exercise of focusing on the pic and playing the music with headphones and I've really felt it. Even I discovered a lot of expression on the younger child eyes. It's awesome how music can makes us have a different or deeper perspective of an image.

Thanks for sharing this with us Chris. It's magic. smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 May 8 2015, 05:15 PM

Gab, I'm in for sure.

WOW! What a picture. I want to record the sound of tears falling from my eyes and landing on the open B minor 7 chord, (the saddest sounding chord I know)

Thanks Gab


Posted by: MisterM May 9 2015, 11:34 AM

QUOTE (Chris S. @ May 7 2015, 06:07 PM) *
Hey Gab!

So this is something I've been slowly developing and I think it fits the picture:

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/hear-our-cries-idea-two

(Don't mind the terrible mix - I didn't spend too much on it)


This music is beautiful, it's perfect harmony with the picture
sadness, suffering....

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 9 2015, 03:54 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 8 2015, 01:15 PM) *
Gab, I'm in for sure.

WOW! What a picture. I want to record the sound of tears falling from my eyes and landing on the open B minor 7 chord, (the saddest sounding chord I know)

Thanks Gab



Do it! I want to hear it! smile.gif

Posted by: Chris S. May 9 2015, 05:04 PM

Thanks Gab and MisterM!

The chorus I had done for a while but never took it anywhere but the picture gave me a sense of direction. Glad you guys liked it cool.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 10 2015, 09:16 PM

QUOTE (Chris S. @ May 9 2015, 01:04 PM) *
Thanks Gab and MisterM!

The chorus I had done for a while but never took it anywhere but the picture gave me a sense of direction. Glad you guys liked it cool.gif


Wou, that's a great result for this experiment. It's awesome how a picture can give direction to a composition.

Anybody else would like to participate on this one? Remember that you can provide very short ideas, even a chord, or a noise are welcome.


Posted by: Phil66 May 10 2015, 09:58 PM

Tomorrow hopefully. I'll try my best wink.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 11 2015, 04:12 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 10 2015, 05:58 PM) *
Tomorrow hopefully. I'll try my best wink.gif


Promising.... smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 May 11 2015, 08:26 PM

Ok, I went with my original idea of the Bmin7 chord and then played over it. I didn't go for a tune exactly, I just stared at the picture and came up with a more atmospheric piece rather than melodic. Hope you like it and can give some good advice.

Sorry for the abrupt ending. I tried to work out how to fade the chord picking out and somehow ended up chopping it off, couldn't get it back sad.gif
Is there a way to fade out the end of a track on a DAW?

Cheers

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cw-1

Phil

Posted by: Chris S. May 11 2015, 09:44 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 11 2015, 07:26 PM) *
Ok, I went with my original idea of the Bmin7 chord and then played over it. I didn't go for a tune exactly, I just stared at the picture and came up with a more atmospheric piece rather than melodic. Hope you like it and can give some good advice.

Sorry for the abrupt ending. I tried to work out how to fade the chord picking out and somehow ended up chopping it off, couldn't get it back sad.gif
Is there a way to fade out the end of a track on a DAW?

Cheers

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cw-1

Phil

Nice one Phil! biggrin.gif

What DAW do you use? I use reaper and to fade out a track I just right click it and hit properties and there is a fade in / fade out option.

Every DAW is different though rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Phil66 May 11 2015, 10:07 PM

Thanks Chris.
I use guitar tracks 4 by Cakewalk (Roland). It's nice and simple, 32 tracks and came with http://www.roland.com/products/v-studio_20/

I guess I'll have to read the help files rolleyes.gif

Cheers

Posted by: Chris S. May 11 2015, 11:14 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 11 2015, 09:07 PM) *
Thanks Chris.
I use guitar tracks 4 by Cakewalk (Roland). It's nice and simple, 32 tracks and came with http://www.roland.com/products/v-studio_20/

I guess I'll have to read the help files rolleyes.gif

Cheers

I don't have any experience with it but I did a quick search and saw a thread (not sure if this is what you use):

http://forum.cakewalk.com/m/tm.aspx?m=2241320&p=1

Seems like the easiest way would be to bump the tracks down to one track (render all the tracks into a wav / mp3 file and then import the file back into the DAW so you only have to apply the fade to one track vs every track), set a marker at the point you want the fade to start and then another where you want the fade to end and select the type of fade.

The post were very ambiguous as to where these functions actually are located blink.gif

Posted by: Phil66 May 12 2015, 08:30 AM

Thanks Chris,
I'll check it out when I get home. I only really need to fade the chord picking track because the other track finishes earlier.
Cheers buddy

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 12 2015, 08:12 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 11 2015, 04:26 PM) *
Ok, I went with my original idea of the Bmin7 chord and then played over it. I didn't go for a tune exactly, I just stared at the picture and came up with a more atmospheric piece rather than melodic. Hope you like it and can give some good advice.

Sorry for the abrupt ending. I tried to work out how to fade the chord picking out and somehow ended up chopping it off, couldn't get it back sad.gif
Is there a way to fade out the end of a track on a DAW?

Cheers

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cw-1

Phil



Hi Phil! This is fantastic! Great job with this tune! This is beautiful because you created music for the image, you didn't worked on a tune that shows knowledge or technique, it's a tune that transmits a feeling, a message, and that's what's music is about for me. Guitarists use to put more focus on techniques, weird chords, scales than the music itself, and here you did it brilliantly.

You keep on surprising me Phil, great job!

There is surely an option to automatize levels or to do some kind of fade out, just check the help or use google search.



Posted by: Phil66 May 12 2015, 08:48 PM

Thanks Gab,

I'm really happy that you like it smile.gif
I managed to sort out the fading thanks to Chris. I used the envelope method with nodes. The result is below.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cw-1


Posted by: Chris S. May 13 2015, 01:38 AM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 12 2015, 07:48 PM) *
Thanks Gab,

I'm really happy that you like it smile.gif
I managed to sort out the fading thanks to Chris. I used the envelope method with nodes. The result is below.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cw-1

Glad I could be of at least a little assistance! tongue.gif

Diggin' it the more I listen to it - it has that sad quality to it but at the same time I find it extremely relaxing - great counter to a rough day at work today!

Thanks Phil biggrin.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 13 2015, 04:00 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 12 2015, 04:48 PM) *
Thanks Gab,

I'm really happy that you like it smile.gif
I managed to sort out the fading thanks to Chris. I used the envelope method with nodes. The result is below.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cw-1



The same here, the more I listen to it the more I like it. Well done Sir!

Posted by: Phil66 May 13 2015, 08:21 PM

Really really happy that you both like it. It means a lot to me, for someone of my level of theory/technique to create something someone actually likes is really encouraging.

Thank you.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 14 2015, 05:00 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 13 2015, 04:21 PM) *
Really really happy that you both like it. It means a lot to me, for someone of my level of theory/technique to create something someone actually likes is really encouraging.

Thank you.



This shows that the most important thing to create music is inside us. Learning theory, technique and all that stuff gives more tools, but if you don't prioritize feelings, you won't touch listened hearts, music will be a bit empty. I'm sure that when you listen to music, there are some musicians and pieces of music that touch you while there are others than not. This is the essence of creation and all of us are capable of doing it. Some people says that music is already in the air, and that we just have to catch it and transposing to real music. It sounds like a fantasy but I like what it means and tries to describe.


Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 17 2015, 06:40 PM

Ok guys! It's time for a new photo. This time is dedicated to a great musician who left us this week. The great BB King.

I'm really curious to know what you get from this one.






Remember that just one lick, chord, one note, a noise, a short progression or melody, a 20 seconds song, a complete song, everything is welcome here.

More details about this workout: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=54319&view=findpost&p=710891

Posted by: Phil66 May 17 2015, 07:32 PM

Thanks Gab,
This is in fact quite hard. The first thing that comes to mind is obviously the blues. But the picture is very symbolic given that he died this week. I'm struggling to think of anything other than a 12 bar and his amazing "butterfly" vibrato.
Need to think hard about this one.

Posted by: Chris S. May 17 2015, 09:33 PM

Gone too soon sad.gif

Looking forward to what develops when I get back in the studio.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 18 2015, 04:14 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 17 2015, 03:32 PM) *
Thanks Gab,
This is in fact quite hard. The first thing that comes to mind is obviously the blues. But the picture is very symbolic given that he died this week. I'm struggling to think of anything other than a 12 bar and his amazing "butterfly" vibrato.
Need to think hard about this one.


yeah, I think that a blues lick with that unique vibrato, or even a more cinematic idea can work here. Looking forward your work!

Posted by: Phil66 May 18 2015, 08:49 PM

Well I sat here for an hour and a half tonight just noodling along with a few backing tracks. For me personally, it's not enough for this workshop to just play a little bit of blues, I don't have many blues licks anyway, I'm not saying others shouldn't do that, whatever this picture throws at you you have to throw it out there but, I want to do something that relates to the whole picture not just the subject. I have an idea but can't make it happen at the moment rolleyes.gif . I might get my ES339 out tomorrow, may make me feel a bit different cool.gif .

Sorry for not doing anything else tonight Gab, I got locked into this and have worn my fingers out a bit wacko.gif I enjoyed it though, sometimes a change is as good as a rest eh?

Phil

Posted by: Chris S. May 19 2015, 04:39 PM

Hey guys!

So with this picture - I didn't want to do a blues song because I felt like it would be a little cliche' so instead I came up with this:

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/when-the-king-comes-home

I wanted to use piano and bells to make it sound "heavenly" and then I just played what I felt (the last solo was 100% improvised).

And now my fingers hurt and I must take a break tongue.gif

RIP Mr. King sad.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 19 2015, 04:49 PM

QUOTE (Chris S. @ May 19 2015, 12:39 PM) *
Hey guys!

So with this picture - I didn't want to do a blues song because I felt like it would be a little cliche' so instead I came up with this:

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/when-the-king-comes-home

I wanted to use piano and bells to make it sound "heavenly" and then I just played what I felt (the last solo was 100% improvised).

And now my fingers hurt and I must take a break tongue.gif

RIP Mr. King sad.gif


Very nice work Chris! The tune has a very special feeling which is a mix of melancholy and suspense. There is a mix of sadness of loosing such a legendary musician but I also feel that feeling of... what happens next? Where do we go?

Is he joining other heroes? Is he now meeting Hendrix, Vaughan, Harrison? is he now a star in the sky?

Your tune make me think on these things... thanks mate. and RIP BB KING.



QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 18 2015, 04:49 PM) *
Well I sat here for an hour and a half tonight just noodling along with a few backing tracks. For me personally, it's not enough for this workshop to just play a little bit of blues, I don't have many blues licks anyway, I'm not saying others shouldn't do that, whatever this picture throws at you you have to throw it out there but, I want to do something that relates to the whole picture not just the subject. I have an idea but can't make it happen at the moment rolleyes.gif . I might get my ES339 out tomorrow, may make me feel a bit different cool.gif .

Sorry for not doing anything else tonight Gab, I got locked into this and have worn my fingers out a bit wacko.gif I enjoyed it though, sometimes a change is as good as a rest eh?

Phil



Sure mate, as I said on the mentoring thread, dedicating time to creation is esential for a musician. And you'll discover that sometimes this time seems to be "wasted" because we have days in which we don't get anything, but trust me that it's not wasted, it's part of the training. We are connecting with our creating side.

Have you read this book?

https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/catching-the-big-fish-meditation-consciousness-and-creativity.html




Posted by: Phil66 May 19 2015, 08:51 PM

Nice work Chris, I couldn't get most of my idea into my fingers but your piece gave me a bit of inspiration.

Gab I haven't read that book but I think I will, thanks wink.gif

Ok, my piece is below. Not how I wanted it but, such is life.
The playing could have been much better executed but as I was improvising I kept messing up here and there. I can't spend any more time on it, I have to get back to my proper lessons.

Hope you get what I'm trying to do here.

BB Has Left The Building
https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/bb-has-left-the-building

Posted by: Chris S. May 19 2015, 09:14 PM

Nice one Phil!

I can picture BB riding the escalator up to the sky with this tune playing in the background smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 May 19 2015, 09:26 PM

Thanks Chris,

Posted by: Chris S. May 19 2015, 09:42 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 19 2015, 08:26 PM) *
Thanks Chris,
Without giving too much away, how did the ending hit you?
Cheers

DOUBLE EDIT:

No spoilers here

Posted by: Phil66 May 19 2015, 09:44 PM

Brilliant. I wanted people to have that sense of loss sad.gif

Cheers

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 20 2015, 04:59 PM

Wou! It is fantastic! Once again I won't give spoilers, but let me say that it had an important impact on me. Your talent, creativity and soul keep on surprising me.

Thanks for this piece of music Phil.

Posted by: Phil66 May 20 2015, 08:05 PM

Wow,

Thanks so much for your comment Gab, really means a lot coming from someone of your skill/knowledge level to someone of my skill/knowledge level. wink.gif

I really appreciate it. biggrin.gif

It wasn't what I had in mind but I couldn't get that to work with my current skill set so I went for this route instead.

I'll get back to the other stuff now.

Thanks again, very very pleased. biggrin.gif


Posted by: fzalfa May 21 2015, 12:20 AM

hi

i replay with a too late train, i juste start to read the topic, but not entierely, it's late now, i think sleeping is requiered

so about the sad pictures i have done two track , one shoot for each, full of errorsn faults , bad notes.... but it reflect a certain inner state in presence of these pictures and words.... (hohoho i listen too much dream theater, people who know maybe notices some words in my sentence)

this is the first one, the end is out of the track, i do not understand...

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/sad

the next one is more metal, maybe a good riff, an idea beneath my head's skin.

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/sad-metal

it's time to go to bed 1.30 late at night

Laurent

Posted by: HiimAlex May 21 2015, 01:12 PM

I will give this workout a try smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 May 22 2015, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ May 21 2015, 12:20 AM) *
hi

i replay with a too late train, i juste start to read the topic, but not entierely, it's late now, i think sleeping is requiered

so about the sad pictures i have done two track , one shoot for each, full of errorsn faults , bad notes.... but it reflect a certain inner state in presence of these pictures and words.... (hohoho i listen too much dream theater, people who know maybe notices some words in my sentence)

this is the first one, the end is out of the track, i do not understand...

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/sad

the next one is more metal, maybe a good riff, an idea beneath my head's skin.

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/sad-metal

it's time to go to bed 1.30 late at night

Laurent


Nice work Laurent cool.gif I like both pieces smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 22 2015, 07:55 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ May 20 2015, 08:20 PM) *
hi

i replay with a too late train, i juste start to read the topic, but not entierely, it's late now, i think sleeping is requiered

so about the sad pictures i have done two track , one shoot for each, full of errorsn faults , bad notes.... but it reflect a certain inner state in presence of these pictures and words.... (hohoho i listen too much dream theater, people who know maybe notices some words in my sentence)

this is the first one, the end is out of the track, i do not understand...

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/sad

the next one is more metal, maybe a good riff, an idea beneath my head's skin.

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/sad-metal

it's time to go to bed 1.30 late at night

Laurent




Hi Laurent! Thanks for joining this workout! I enjoyed listening to your music. This two compositions sound really good! Both are sad and related to the picture but each of them generates a different feeling on me. The first one is more introspective, it makes me feel things inside, while the second one sounds more like a soundtrack for me. Both are very tasty and enjoyable and what it's even more important both are deep.

Are you used to compose this kind of music? These are VERY promising ideas.


QUOTE (HiimAlex @ May 21 2015, 09:12 AM) *
I will give this workout a try smile.gif



Awesome! Looking forward your ideas!

Posted by: fzalfa May 22 2015, 08:19 PM

QUOTE
Are you used to compose this kind of music? These are VERY promising ideas.


really no, i try to play what i feel inside, now i can easyer as never "tell" what i want to mean, cause i start to know my fret board, it's not perfect for now, that's why i do errors.

these two tracks where recorded as one shoot for each some minutes before i post them on soundcloud.

but everythnig i play is from the inside, and it's really frustrating to do not be able to really play as i like to play, i'm a real noob !

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 26 2015, 04:03 PM

Ok guys! This is the new photo for this workout. This time it's a happy photo. smile.gif


Posted by: fzalfa May 26 2015, 05:25 PM

hi Gab !!

i'm on ! smile.gif

edit: song singed in my head, recording tomorow...... héhéhéhé ;D

Laurent

Posted by: Phil66 May 26 2015, 07:37 PM

So many elements to this one, difficult to do a cinematic track, for me anyway unsure.gif Hopefully something will pop into my head soon.

Cheers Gab

Posted by: Phil66 May 26 2015, 09:02 PM

Struggling with this one. Can't think of a melody. Here's what I have so far.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/paradise-in-progress


Posted by: fzalfa May 26 2015, 09:25 PM

licky guy !!

i promise to my wife to do not play guitar tonight.......... arrggghhhhhhhh

maybe i'll get up during da night to record my track smile.gif

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 27 2015, 02:55 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ May 26 2015, 05:02 PM) *
Struggling with this one. Can't think of a melody. Here's what I have so far.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/paradise-in-progress


hehe you did it again! I really like the feeling of your track! and I also like the fact that you called "in progress" because I feel that it's lacking a flute melody to be perfect! don't you think so?

You can take some inspiration from here:

https://youtu.be/S5N2VPGWGZ4
https://youtu.be/erBTbeyJ3Mc


QUOTE (fzalfa @ May 26 2015, 05:25 PM) *
licky guy !!

i promise to my wife to do not play guitar tonight.......... arrggghhhhhhhh

maybe i'll get up during da night to record my track smile.gif

Laurent



hahaha did it happen? biggrin.gif

Posted by: fzalfa May 27 2015, 03:01 PM

in fact no, but i'm now on the way to do something.....

between your exervices, the GMC collab and my friend Yann i have a lot to do !!

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 27 2015, 03:22 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ May 27 2015, 11:01 AM) *
in fact no, but i'm now on the way to do something.....

between your exervices, the GMC collab and my friend Yann i have a lot to do !!

Laurent



heheh nice to know that all is full of music! smile.gif

Posted by: fzalfa May 27 2015, 03:38 PM

re

this is a quick idea throw..... a small lick, i have record a whole track (7min) but not really clean in term of play, i do not reallt know this style of music, but it speak to me when i look the picture.

excuse me for the false notes.......

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/test-happy

i return to work on my homework.....

Laurent

edit: i have listen it back again, and it's crappy...... i suck

Laurent

Posted by: Phil66 May 27 2015, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 27 2015, 02:55 PM) *
hehe you did it again! I really like the feeling of your track! and I also like the fact that you called "in progress" because I feel that it's lacking a flute melody to be perfect! don't you think so?

You can take some inspiration from here:

https://youtu.be/S5N2VPGWGZ4
https://youtu.be/erBTbeyJ3Mc


Thanks Gab, I was thinking along the same lines but I can't find a sweet tone, also, my legato (i think that's what it's called unsure.gif) isn't very good to get the smoothness of the flute. I'm frustrated with this one because again, I have something in my head that can't reach my fingers sad.gif

It may be the weekend before I get something for this rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Chris S. Jun 1 2015, 03:20 AM

Hey Gab!

So I've run into a problem - I generally create a rhythm and then build a melody off of it but in this case I have come up with a melody but have no idea how to create a rhythm behind it blink.gif

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/melody-idea

Any ideas, mate?

biggrin.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 1 2015, 02:40 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ May 27 2015, 11:38 AM) *
re

this is a quick idea throw..... a small lick, i have record a whole track (7min) but not really clean in term of play, i do not reallt know this style of music, but it speak to me when i look the picture.

excuse me for the false notes.......

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/test-happy

i return to work on my homework.....

Laurent

edit: i have listen it back again, and it's crappy...... i suck

Laurent



I don't agree, it's not crappy. I have the happy feeling of this backing and I think that there are some cool guitar lines in your improvisation. If you would tweak a bit the notes choices and put more attention on expressing elements, this could be a killer solo.
It just need to be polished.


QUOTE (Chris S. @ May 31 2015, 11:20 PM) *
Hey Gab!

So I've run into a problem - I generally create a rhythm and then build a melody off of it but in this case I have come up with a melody but have no idea how to create a rhythm behind it blink.gif

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/melody-idea

Any ideas, mate?

biggrin.gif



wou! I love this phrasing! I play it many times and can't get enough. It's pure magic. I played some random chords over it... G - D - C - Asus2, and I got different feels. I think that this is a very creative approach to compose music.

While listening to your tune, the intro of this tune come to my mind:




so maybe some synth string atmospheres in the back could work... what do you think?


Posted by: fzalfa Jun 1 2015, 03:54 PM

QUOTE
It just need to be polished.


yes , it was done in term of minutes, no training, no inspiration, with any security smile.gif

Laurent

Posted by: Chris S. Jun 1 2015, 04:18 PM

Hey Gab!

I was thinking of putting strings in the back as well but I couldn't figure out a chord progression.

Were the chords you chose random?

Should I nap out the notes and figure out the chord scale for those notes and go from there?

Thanks mate!

Posted by: Phil66 Jun 1 2015, 09:10 PM

Hello Gab,

Ok, I'm not happy with this at all but I've posted because the will be another one coming soon. I've still called it in progress. I found it much harder to get inspiration that I did with the other two. I should have faded it out about a quarter of the way through but I left it just in case you can hear something half decent somewhere in there. I couldn't manage to get anything flute like at all unsure.gif The flute is such a smooth flowing sound and I just don't have the skills. Hopefully you will understand what I was aiming for and advise me, I wanted a lilting happy sound that would be nice to have in hidden speakers when walking through a forest or something similar.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/paradise-in-progress2

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 2 2015, 03:40 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 1 2015, 05:10 PM) *
Hello Gab,

Ok, I'm not happy with this at all but I've posted because the will be another one coming soon. I've still called it in progress. I found it much harder to get inspiration that I did with the other two. I should have faded it out about a quarter of the way through but I left it just in case you can hear something half decent somewhere in there. I couldn't manage to get anything flute like at all unsure.gif The flute is such a smooth flowing sound and I just don't have the skills. Hopefully you will understand what I was aiming for and advise me, I wanted a lilting happy sound that would be nice to have in hidden speakers when walking through a forest or something similar.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/paradise-in-progress2


I like it Phil! It really fits with the scene, so I think that you did a great work. I like the fact that you added the "in progress" label. There is always time to get back to unfinished compositions and finish them. Who knows? Maybe in the future you release a solo instrumental album and want to use it. smile.gif

I close my eyes and I can imagine in the forest with this one, you did it mate. Thanks for joining!

Posted by: Phil66 Jun 3 2015, 07:54 PM

So happy that you like it Gab. Thank you smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 4 2015, 01:58 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 3 2015, 03:54 PM) *
So happy that you like it Gab. Thank you smile.gif



Thank you for joining!


Is there any other GMCer working on this one?

Posted by: Chris S. Jun 4 2015, 03:12 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 4 2015, 12:58 PM) *
Thank you for joining!


Is there any other GMCer working on this one?

This one is kind of locked away in the idea folder until I finally get around to getting Ik Philharmonik tongue.gif


Posted by: HiimAlex Jun 4 2015, 04:09 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 4 2015, 12:58 PM) *
Is there any other GMCer working on this one?

I am working on this and should have a take finished today or tomorrow.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 5 2015, 03:04 PM

Ok guys! I'll wait for your works before I share a new photo. wink.gif

Posted by: HiimAlex Jun 5 2015, 04:46 PM

So here is my try at Creativity Workout. Now afterwards I know that I repeated several ideas a bit too much.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 6 2015, 05:54 PM

Hi Alex! Thanks for your submit! One question: were you playing over a backing track?


Posted by: HiimAlex Jun 6 2015, 06:15 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 6 2015, 04:54 PM) *
Hi Alex! Thanks for your submit! One question: were you playing over a backing track?

Hey Gabriel, No I did not play over a backing track.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 7 2015, 07:49 PM

QUOTE (HiimAlex @ Jun 6 2015, 02:15 PM) *
Hey Gabriel, No I did not play over a backing track.



Interesting! I like the feeling here, and I can imagine some synths on this one... could you send me the audio files of this idea? I'd like to try something...

Posted by: HiimAlex Jun 7 2015, 08:10 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 7 2015, 06:49 PM) *
Interesting! I like the feeling here, and I can imagine some synths on this one... could you send me the audio files of this idea? I'd like to try something...

Now I get excited for what you are gonna come up with smile.gif Sending audio files in pm.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 8 2015, 04:43 PM

Hi Alex! This is what I've got! I'm not totally happy with the final results but it's a good draft to keep on working. There are some things that make it tricky for me and that's why the final work is short:

- I could not found a tempo for the whole idea so adding rhythm patterns or changing chords regularly wasn't possible.
- You didn't use an specific scale so deciding chord progressions is not easy here.

By the way, I like the enigmatic feel that we got, just have in mind those ideas for future compositions.

 upbends_2_alex_with_strings.mp3 ( 886.43K ) : 122


This final track is not totally related with the photo, but It has been a great excuse to create a piece of music together. Well done Alex!

Posted by: HiimAlex Jun 9 2015, 10:25 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 8 2015, 03:43 PM) *
Hi Alex! This is what I've got! I'm not totally happy with the final results but it's a good draft to keep on working. There are some things that make it tricky for me and that's why the final work is short:

- I could not found a tempo for the whole idea so adding rhythm patterns or changing chords regularly wasn't possible.
- You didn't use an specific scale so deciding chord progressions is not easy here.

By the way, I like the enigmatic feel that we got, just have in mind those ideas for future compositions.

 upbends_2_alex_with_strings.mp3 ( 886.43K ) : 122


This final track is not totally related with the photo, but It has been a great excuse to create a piece of music together. Well done Alex!

Hey Gabriel! Thank you for your help on this, I think it sounds much better, not perfect but better for sure.
I like the mysterious somewhat sad feeling that you helped to create.
Do you want me to play over a backing track next compositions? Or just pick a scale and a metronome?



Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 9 2015, 01:37 PM

QUOTE (HiimAlex @ Jun 9 2015, 06:25 AM) *
Hey Gabriel! Thank you for your help on this, I think it sounds much better, not perfect but better for sure.
I like the mysterious somewhat sad feeling that you helped to create.
Do you want me to play over a backing track next compositions? Or just pick a scale and a metronome?



Everything is welcome! It would be good if you can start to create your own arrangements for your ideas. Do you have experience writing drums and other instruments on Reaper?

Posted by: HiimAlex Jun 9 2015, 01:45 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 9 2015, 12:37 PM) *
Everything is welcome! It would be good if you can start to create your own arrangements for your ideas. Do you have experience writing drums and other instruments on Reaper?

No, I don't have experience of that.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 9 2015, 02:04 PM

QUOTE (HiimAlex @ Jun 9 2015, 09:45 AM) *
No, I don't have experience of that.



Ok, so this thread is also a good workout to start experimenting this. Do you have Reaper?

If not, there is a free version: http://www.reaper.fm/

Go for it, and then I'll guide you how to continue.....

Posted by: HiimAlex Jun 9 2015, 02:07 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 9 2015, 01:04 PM) *
Ok, so this thread is also a good workout to start experimenting this. Do you have Reaper?

If not, there is a free version: http://www.reaper.fm/

Go for it, and then I'll guide you how to continue.....


Yes, I have reaper.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 9 2015, 02:30 PM

QUOTE (HiimAlex @ Jun 9 2015, 10:07 AM) *
Yes, I have reaper.



Ah ok! so now you need something like this:

Drums: http://www.powerdrumkit.com/

Other instruments: http://www.native-instruments.com/es/specials/free-vst-instruments-and-effects/

Posted by: Phil66 Jun 9 2015, 02:44 PM

This is great. Thanks Gab. I'm interested in this too. Maybe a workshop would be good on its own???
It's something for the weekend when there is a little more time though.
Cheers

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 9 2015, 03:32 PM

Being able to manage tools to record the things that are sounding in your mind is part of the Creativity Workout so we can also use this thread to explore VST intruments. Please download that stuff and check if Reaper opens them.

Both links are free software, there are many paid options too that you could try. I recommend Ezdrummmer, Superior drummer and Steven Slate drums, (for drums off course), Trillian for bass, and Native Instruments stuff for synth, electronic, orchestra and other miscellaneous stuff.

However, the free stuff is enough by now. wink.gif

Posted by: Chris S. Jun 9 2015, 06:56 PM

Hey Gab!

So I scrapped the last idea and am going with a more cinematic approach, what do you think?

Thou Triumphet:

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/thou-triumphet

Still a work in progress tongue.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Jun 9 2015, 08:39 PM

Ok, got them all now (free ones for now). Haven't a clue how to use them laugh.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 10 2015, 03:37 PM

QUOTE (Chris S. @ Jun 9 2015, 02:56 PM) *
Hey Gab!

So I scrapped the last idea and am going with a more cinematic approach, what do you think?

Thou Triumphet:

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/thou-triumphet

Still a work in progress tongue.gif




Wou mate! This is very promising. I like the cinematic direction that you are taking on this one. It still keeps the spirit of the picture but it adds more dramatic feels that make me feel this as a part of a movie. There are off course some parts to adjust and polish but the idea is very clear, congrats!

What VSTi are you using?



QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 9 2015, 04:39 PM) *
Ok, got them all now (free ones for now). Haven't a clue how to use them laugh.gif


Hi Phil, this video should clarify how to open and use them: https://youtu.be/jaXLbwNtu2E

Posted by: Chris S. Jun 10 2015, 06:31 PM

Thanks Gab!

I am using Sample Tank 3 SE

Got it for $40 and the sounds really aren't that bad for the price biggrin.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Jun 11 2015, 12:49 PM

Thanks Gab

Will we be getting another picture soon? I love these creativity workshops smile.gif

Cheers

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 11 2015, 03:12 PM

Hello guys, the new picture for this workout is a tribute to the great Christopher Lee who left us recently at the age of 93.

Here we can see him as Saruman the white.


Posted by: Chris S. Jun 11 2015, 03:35 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 11 2015, 02:12 PM) *
Hello guys, the new picture for this workout is a tribute to the great Christopher Lee who left us recently at the age of 93.

Here we can see him as Saruman the white.


He was a great actor sad.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Jun 11 2015, 09:23 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 10 2015, 03:37 PM) *
Hi Phil, this video should clarify how to open and use them: https://youtu.be/jaXLbwNtu2E


I think I've completely messed up my installation of Reaper. unsure.gif sad.gif

Looked so simple in the video.

Try again tomorrow.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 12 2015, 04:13 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 11 2015, 05:23 PM) *
I think I've completely messed up my installation of Reaper. unsure.gif sad.gif

Looked so simple in the video.

Try again tomorrow.



Ups! Keep me updated.

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 12 2015, 10:01 PM

hey nice picture, i have an idea....

3 minutes later, i have done this, i do not have the pretention to masterise the style, i only throw idea

so, false notes , screaming bends ..... but ideas

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/sad-metal-2

Laurent

Posted by: Phil66 Jun 12 2015, 10:45 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 12 2015, 04:13 PM) *
Ups! Keep me updated.

Sorted but it still looks like it will take many minutes from my practice routine sad.gif

Posted by: Chris S. Jun 13 2015, 02:44 AM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jun 12 2015, 09:01 PM) *
hey nice picture, i have an idea....

3 minutes later, i have done this, i do not have the pretention to masterise the style, i only throw idea

so, false notes , screaming bends ..... but ideas

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/sad-metal-2

Laurent

Love your tone and your lead lines!!!

Keep rocking, mate! biggrin.gif cool.gif

Posted by: Chris S. Jun 13 2015, 03:18 AM

About to go to bed, this came to mind:

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/the-count-christopher-lee-tribute-in-progress

A very basic concept that I might develop further - any ideas?

Good Night biggrin.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 13 2015, 07:29 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jun 12 2015, 06:01 PM) *
hey nice picture, i have an idea....

3 minutes later, i have done this, i do not have the pretention to masterise the style, i only throw idea

so, false notes , screaming bends ..... but ideas

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/sad-metal-2

Laurent



Wou!! You are very versatile! This sounds very good. I also liked your tone and phrasing on this one. Except by some fast parts that sound a bit sloppy, the overall sounds as a professional metal solo.

It's also cool to see that you worked on an epic metal idea for this picture. Christopher would be proud.

Thanks for joining this one mate!



QUOTE (Chris S. @ Jun 12 2015, 11:18 PM) *
About to go to bed, this came to mind:

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/the-count-christopher-lee-tribute-in-progress

A very basic concept that I might develop further - any ideas?

Good Night biggrin.gif




hehehe this is fantastic! The first parts made me feel on the picture with Saruman, but suddenly when the track explodes this kind of scene has come to my mind...



You definitely should continue this one... you have talent for cinematic music... have you ever planned on composing some stuff to have a curriculum for this kind of work?


Posted by: Chris S. Jun 13 2015, 08:31 PM

Thanks Gab!

I always wanted to do music for movies/shows/games but I feel like it would be such a hard gig to make a living off of - I wouldn't even know where to start!

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 13 2015, 09:05 PM

nice one Chris !!!!

QUOTE
Wou!! You are very versatile!


thanks, i try to do a lot, to learn a lot, and i think working, trying to play what i can ear in my head is a good school to know my fretboard, and i love to try anything i never done before, as i want to progress, i must work !

9 months ago, i only knew 3 chords, and was playing around the Am pentatonic for one year....... boring and sad.

Laurent

Posted by: Phil66 Jun 14 2015, 08:31 PM

Nice one Chris, where do you get all of your sounds from??????

OK, I haven't come up with anything musical this time, I'm drying up I think laugh.gif I had an idea in my head of going inside the crystal ball and the kind of things I might hear as Saruman works his magic. I would be nice to have a mystical synth backing. I need to spend much more time on it but I've put it here anyway, maybe someone will bounce an idea off it wink.gif

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/sounds-from-the-crystal-ball-in-progress


EDIT:

Was starting to pack away and thought of a way to add a bit of atmosphere to it.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/sounds-from-the-crystal-ball-in-progress2

Cheers

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 15 2015, 02:31 PM

QUOTE (Chris S. @ Jun 13 2015, 04:31 PM) *
Thanks Gab!

I always wanted to do music for movies/shows/games but I feel like it would be such a hard gig to make a living off of - I wouldn't even know where to start!



Well, there is something about living in the right place that is on your side. United States is the main producer of films, so you are closer than me to do it! (I personally would love to make music for films).

Check out this article, maybe it gives some ideas: https://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec05/articles/musicforpicture.htm

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 14 2015, 04:31 PM) *
Nice one Chris, where do you get all of your sounds from??????

OK, I haven't come up with anything musical this time, I'm drying up I think laugh.gif I had an idea in my head of going inside the crystal ball and the kind of things I might hear as Saruman works his magic. I would be nice to have a mystical synth backing. I need to spend much more time on it but I've put it here anyway, maybe someone will bounce an idea off it wink.gif

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/sounds-from-the-crystal-ball-in-progress


EDIT:

Was starting to pack away and thought of a way to add a bit of atmosphere to it.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/sounds-from-the-crystal-ball-in-progress2

Cheers



Hi mate! This idea sounds really good, I can hear magic on those melodic ideas, well done!

It's also interesting so be able to hear both versions to see how was your approach to create this creative tune. I also think that any magic synth that creates a more unique atmosphere could add a lot here, even to the second version. Maybe you could explore that link with free VSTi that I've shared.

Thanks again for joining this one!




Posted by: Phil66 Jun 15 2015, 03:03 PM

Thanks Gab,

I used Tera Echo for the main bit and for the backing I used Freeze on A minor chord.

I'll do more experimenting but I really need to get back on track with our lessons.

Cheers

Posted by: Ricky9 Jun 15 2015, 09:40 PM

Here is my take Gab, Hope you guys like it, Its a little different from what i used to write wink.gif . enjoy. https://soundcloud.com/rickynine/christopher-lee-tributemp3

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 16 2015, 03:15 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jun 15 2015, 05:40 PM) *
Here is my take Gab, Hope you guys like it, Its a little different from what i used to write wink.gif . enjoy. https://soundcloud.com/rickynine/christopher-lee-tributemp3



Hi Ricky! This is very interesting! I'm glad to know that this workout helped to explore new horizons regarding composition. I don't know what you think, but my opinion is that this is very promising. That piano intro is epic, and when everything explodes, I can see chaos.

Do you usually play piano?

Feel free to compose something over the previous photos as well, or be ready for a new one soon.

Thanks for sharing your art with us, great job!

Posted by: Ricky9 Jun 16 2015, 03:44 PM

Thank you Gabriel glad you like it, just exploring new things with my new 8 string, The piano sounds is my guitar through the synth roland gr-55 love that thing. Always wanted that piano sound by using my guitar, its just a little hard since you have to adapt your playing style to use piano like arpeggios. i will work on the other photo wish me luck, see you soon.

Posted by: Ricky9 Jun 16 2015, 10:56 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 26 2015, 11:03 AM) *
Ok guys! This is the new photo for this workout. This time it's a happy photo. smile.gif



I don't know if this is the right photo, but i made something for this happy pic. Hope you guys like it.

https://soundcloud.com/rickynine/happyphotomp3



Posted by: Chris S. Jun 16 2015, 11:55 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jun 16 2015, 02:44 PM) *
Thank you Gabriel glad you like it, just exploring new things with my new 8 string, The piano sounds is my guitar through the synth roland gr-55 love that thing. Always wanted that piano sound by using my guitar, its just a little hard since you have to adapt your playing style to use piano like arpeggios. i will work on the other photo wish me luck, see you soon.

Wow! I just watched a video review of the GR-55 and I want one!!!

Is this the type that you need the MIDI pickup for it to work or is it just plug and play?

Thanks mate! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Ricky9 Jun 17 2015, 12:31 AM

QUOTE (Chris S. @ Jun 16 2015, 06:55 PM) *
Wow! I just watched a video review of the GR-55 and I want one!!!

Is this the type that you need the MIDI pickup for it to work or is it just plug and play?

Thanks mate! biggrin.gif


I love this thing, but is not plug and play you hace to get the gk-3 pickup with it. They usually hace it as a bundle. You can always check eBay. You can get a good deal. Also if you get it make sure you look on YouTube or Google to learn how to properly set the picknup and gr-55. Good luck.

Posted by: Chris S. Jun 17 2015, 01:30 AM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jun 16 2015, 11:31 PM) *
I love this thing, but is not plug and play you hace to get the gk-3 pickup with it. They usually hace it as a bundle. You can always check eBay. You can get a good deal. Also if you get it make sure you look on YouTube or Google to learn how to properly set the picknup and gr-55. Good luck.

Thanks for the advice!

Definitely on my list of things to get - I'm a sucker for synth sounds cool.gif

Posted by: Ricky9 Jun 17 2015, 01:58 AM

check this guys out, this is how i got mine, they offer payment plans with no credit check.

http://www.zzounds.com/item--ROLGR55?siid=113871

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 17 2015, 02:36 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jun 16 2015, 11:44 AM) *
Thank you Gabriel glad you like it, just exploring new things with my new 8 string, The piano sounds is my guitar through the synth roland gr-55 love that thing. Always wanted that piano sound by using my guitar, its just a little hard since you have to adapt your playing style to use piano like arpeggios. i will work on the other photo wish me luck, see you soon.


Wou! I'm impressed. I'll explore more about this because I didn't get how it works, I assume that it's midi but that pick up addition confused me, I'll check the last link that you've shared.


QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jun 16 2015, 06:56 PM) *
I don't know if this is the right photo, but i made something for this happy pic. Hope you guys like it.

https://soundcloud.com/rickynine/happyphotomp3


Beautiful music. It starts with that post-rock feeling, melancholic happiness, and then it becomes more rocker, some of the most energetic life moments come to mind... your music is deep mate. Thanks for this new stuff. smile.gif

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 17 2015, 02:41 PM

i have do something about the last picture, witch one you can see the horde giving assault !!!!

i do this track with the sens of fear and the call of duty,while the assurance of a near death !!!! cool !!!

i have try some weird notes to materialise the inner fear !! with some brightness to figure the hope !

hard to fill near 4 minutes with solo improvisation.......

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/test-metal-sad-am-3

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 17 2015, 04:12 PM

Hi Laurent, this is really cool! There are some moments that remind me to Marty Friedman and his way of using wrong notes that are bend to chord notes. I can really get the feeling of this solo, and it's very inspiring to know the technical decisions that you took to get that feeling. Even without knowing it, I can feel it, but your post includes some instructional tips.

Thanks a lot mate!

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 17 2015, 04:50 PM

Hi Gabriel

i try to polish this take ! but my finger aren"t doin what i want.....i do not finsh theirs educations smile.gif

why using bend ? , i want to creat an insane feeling, anger, unsecurity, so i decide to start the riff from a false note and to do a slow bend to get the right tune, i use a D# and bend it to E, cause E is used in this song chords

another version, a bit more polished i think......try to focus on the tune for the prebend note, not easy after a bend somewere else...and pay attention for the melody...

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/test-sad-metal-4

this is for fun, i don"t want to run before walking..... it's clear for me !!! the road before doin these sort of jam is really long for me !!!!!

Laurent

edit: after listening, a part managed to give me goosebumps !!

Posted by: Ricky9 Jun 17 2015, 07:38 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 17 2015, 09:36 AM) *
Wou! I'm impressed. I'll explore more about this because I didn't get how it works, I assume that it's midi but that pick up addition confused me, I'll check the last link that you've shared.




Beautiful music. It starts with that post-rock feeling, melancholic happiness, and then it becomes more rocker, some of the most energetic life moments come to mind... your music is deep mate. Thanks for this new stuff. smile.gif


Happy that you guys like it, The pick up for the gr55 is a 13pin cable that connects to the unit, so yea its pretty midi, the pick up comes with different mounts for several guitars take a look.




Posted by: Ricky9 Jun 18 2015, 02:46 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 7 2015, 10:48 AM) *
Cool guys! You're welcome.

This is the first photo for this workout:



photo by Chan Kwok Hung (from Hong Kong)

Close your eyes and get into the photo. Imagine being one of them, imagine being the one who took the photo, imagine being the director of a film and deciding the sound composition. There are different points of view that you can get, and the music that you'll imagine will be totally different.

Remember that just one chord, one note, a noise, a short progression or melody, a 20 seconds song, a complete song, everything is welcome here.


Here is a song for this one, its so powerful what you can see in a photo. Hope you guys like this one, I warn you is very sad.


https://soundcloud.com/rickynine/acoustic-guitar-piano-and-strings-very-sadmp3

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 19 2015, 12:33 PM

today , i'm insparated again about this "last sunrize idea".....

so this morning after a sad night,i play that, no warming.... about 1:05 1:15 i do "something weird...." but i don't care it's a rough

so this is , from the deep of my mind " THE LAST SUNRISE BLUES", a sample, cause the full lengh is about 12m.... (36 in fact , 3x12m parts)

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/last-sunrise-blues

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 19 2015, 04:18 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jun 17 2015, 10:46 PM) *
Here is a song for this one, its so powerful what you can see in a photo. Hope you guys like this one, I warn you is very sad.


https://soundcloud.com/rickynine/acoustic-guitar-piano-and-strings-very-sadmp3




Thanks Ricky, this one is very sad as you said. I like the chord progression used and how the instruments fit together. I wonder how you worked on this one, did you started just thinking on sounds or you first decided a tonality and the use of some specific chords?



QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jun 19 2015, 08:33 AM) *
today , i'm insparated again about this "last sunrize idea".....

so this morning after a sad night,i play that, no warming.... about 1:05 1:15 i do "something weird...." but i don't care it's a rough

so this is , from the deep of my mind " THE LAST SUNRISE BLUES", a sample, cause the full lengh is about 12m.... (36 in fact , 3x12m parts)

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/last-sunrise-blues

Laurent



Hi laurent, I didn't get what you mean... you are "insparated" ? Separated? inspires? Based on the track I assume that the first one, so I'm sorry mate...

This tune make me feel exactly what you meant with its time. That guitar is crying mate, it's awesome how much you can express with your phrasing. There are off course many technique issues that could be worked that would polish even more the connection between your soul and your fingers, but I get the feeling.

Thanks for this one.

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 19 2015, 04:29 PM

hi here

i mean inspirated

this track was a bad one, i have done a far better one...

it always like a rough cause i lake of technical knowledge.....

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/blues-sad

this one is more "controled", not easy to manage the emotional flow too my finger, want to do to much without sometime how to

Laurent

Posted by: Ricky9 Jun 19 2015, 04:48 PM

Hi gab, as far as making this one just one of those chord progressions that just sounds very sad. That one that i use in particular with the classical guitar,i believe fits the picture perfectly. Specially using the descending chords into the minor 6th, I believe it creates that sound for ballads and sad songs in particular. But that's just my opinion and my personal preference, since you know am Hispanic so i was influence by a lot of ballads back in the day.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jun 19 2015, 05:00 PM

This idea is loosely based on the latest picture, though I had more of a wizard fight in my mind:

EDIT: Full song now done.


Posted by: Ricky9 Jun 19 2015, 05:23 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jun 19 2015, 12:00 PM) *
This idea is loosely based on the latest picture, though I had more of a wizard fight in my mind:

https://soundcloud.com/benjamin-storm-linnebjerg/new-song-2


Wow!!!, awesome dude, just awesome. Love it

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 19 2015, 05:43 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jun 19 2015, 05:00 PM) *
This idea is loosely based on the latest picture, though I had more of a wizard fight in my mind:

https://soundcloud.com/benjamin-storm-linnebjerg/new-song-2


rock n roll !!!

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 20 2015, 08:45 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jun 19 2015, 01:00 PM) *
This idea is loosely based on the latest picture, though I had more of a wizard fight in my mind:

EDIT: Full song now done.




Wou!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are no words to describe how happy I am of finding this full song here. I have told you many time how talented you are and how promising your short ideas are, and now thanks to this thread you decide to take a killer idea and expand it into a full song. This is epic mate, and this should be the first step in your career as a guitarist/composer.

The track is consistent, as well as the different parts, melodies and riffs, it has a hook which is something fundamental from my point of view. I think that it would be awesome if you can continue producing this one, adding some synth sounds and release it as your first simple.

Congratulations friend! smile.gif

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jun 19 2015, 12:48 PM) *
Hi gab, as far as making this one just one of those chord progressions that just sounds very sad. That one that i use in particular with the classical guitar,i believe fits the picture perfectly. Specially using the descending chords into the minor 6th, I believe it creates that sound for ballads and sad songs in particular. But that's just my opinion and my personal preference, since you know am Hispanic so i was influence by a lot of ballads back in the day.



Interesting stuff mate. Thanks for sharing.

What do you exactly mean by "descending chords into the minor 6th"?

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jun 19 2015, 12:29 PM) *
hi here

i mean inspirated

this track was a bad one, i have done a far better one...

it always like a rough cause i lake of technical knowledge.....

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/blues-sad

this one is more "controled", not easy to manage the emotional flow too my finger, want to do to much without sometime how to

Laurent



Hi Laurent, I can hear the improvements on this one and I have to say that it's exactly the direction I meant. This one sound more controlled, is nicer to hear and it still has that original sad feeling, with a more professional performance. Very good job, keep going on this direction!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jun 25 2015, 05:59 PM

Time for a new assignment soon? biggrin.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 25 2015, 07:12 PM

Here we go! New picture!

White Walkers...


Posted by: fzalfa Jun 25 2015, 07:28 PM

I'm on
Something today or tomorrow morning

Laurent

Posted by: Chris S. Jun 25 2015, 09:46 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 25 2015, 06:12 PM) *
Here we go! New picture!

White Walkers...


Yesssssssssss!!!!

That's not from Dead Snow is it? Love that movie biggrin.gif

Posted by: fzalfa Jun 25 2015, 09:56 PM

my flesh creep, your stomach turn....

enjoy !! if you dare, it's a rough

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/horror-1

Laurent

Posted by: Chris S. Jun 26 2015, 12:51 AM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jun 25 2015, 08:56 PM) *
my flesh creep, your stomach turn....

enjoy !! if you dare, it's a rough

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/horror-1

Laurent

WOW! Killer acoustic pickin' there, friend!

Posted by: Chris S. Jun 26 2015, 04:08 AM

Don't be mad, Gab - but I took some time away from the Bendy Blues lesson so I can come up with this ph34r.gif

So picture this: It's the zombie apocalypse - and there is a man walking through the empty streets of a city - tormented by the images of everyone and everything he ever loved taken away from him.

And cue music:

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/he-who-lost-it-all

That's the story in my head while I came up with this. I'm actually quite surprised by it - it's been such a short time but in that little time that I have been working with you my musical creativity has shot through the roof!!!

I look forward to continuing our work together biggrin.gif

Thanks Gab.

Posted by: Daeron Jun 26 2015, 08:12 AM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jun 25 2015, 08:56 PM) *
my flesh creep, your stomach turn....

enjoy !! if you dare, it's a rough

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/horror-1

Laurent


Very nice, Laurent. I don't have the words in english to explain correctly what I have in mind but for me, the picture of horror, fear and thriller : "what is happening there ?"


Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 26 2015, 04:45 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jun 25 2015, 05:56 PM) *
my flesh creep, your stomach turn....

enjoy !! if you dare, it's a rough

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/horror-1

Laurent



Wou mate! I love this! It has a very dark feeling. I feel that the walkers are coming, but there is nothing to do... no way to go... so it's that mix of scare with sadness.... the arpeggio reflects the walk... the guitar solo reflects the sad feel. Do you see it like me?

Thanks for your composition mate. Really good!

QUOTE (Chris S. @ Jun 26 2015, 12:08 AM) *
Don't be mad, Gab - but I took some time away from the Bendy Blues lesson so I can come up with this ph34r.gif

So picture this: It's the zombie apocalypse - and there is a man walking through the empty streets of a city - tormented by the images of everyone and everything he ever loved taken away from him.

And cue music:

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/he-who-lost-it-all

That's the story in my head while I came up with this. I'm actually quite surprised by it - it's been such a short time but in that little time that I have been working with you my musical creativity has shot through the roof!!!

I look forward to continuing our work together biggrin.gif

Thanks Gab.



yeah man! I can see the picture. I like watching the Walking Dead and there are many moments in which this is the feeling that the people on that series has, and I can say that this tune could fit amazingly over it.

I'm also impressed by the quality of music that you guys are submitting here! This thread is pure inspiration.

Thanks everybody for joining! smile.gif


Posted by: fzalfa Jun 26 2015, 05:00 PM

QUOTE
Wou mate! I love this! It has a very dark feeling. I feel that the walkers are coming, but there is nothing to do... no way to go... so it's that mix of scare with sadness.... the arpeggio reflects the walk... the guitar solo reflects the sad feel. Do you see it like me?

Thanks for your composition mate. Really good!


yes mate !! i feel the darkness !!

Laurent

Posted by: Ricky9 Jun 26 2015, 07:03 PM

Hey good job guys it sounds amazing. Here is my take enjoy!!!

https://soundcloud.com/rickynine/zombie-picmp3



Posted by: Phil66 Jun 26 2015, 09:31 PM

OK, just had a quick go at this one, I know where I want to go with it, I don't think I'll be able to come up with any solo work for it, it's a bit too heavy for my skill level at the moment. I tried to make it menacing and hectic for when the attack actually starts. If anyone can guide me a little with the rhythm part. I struggled to get the timing right, I tried to do it much slower but I am not Mr Iommi wink.gif I know the tone isn't too good on the rhythm but I can work on that.

Cheers folks.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/creativity-5-white-walkers-attack-in-progress-100bpm

Posted by: Chris S. Jun 26 2015, 09:32 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jun 26 2015, 06:03 PM) *
Hey good job guys it sounds amazing. Here is my take enjoy!!!

https://soundcloud.com/rickynine/zombie-picmp3

Epic!!!

I can picture some bad ass guy tromping through the snow hacking zombies with an axe.

Straight from a movie - how much of your Roland did you use for this?

Posted by: Ricky9 Jun 27 2015, 01:47 AM

QUOTE (Chris S. @ Jun 26 2015, 04:32 PM) *
Epic!!!

I can picture some bad ass guy tromping through the snow hacking zombies with an axe.

Straight from a movie - how much of your Roland did you use for this?



Thank for the feedback Chris, i actually just use my Boss Gt-10 anf the rest of the track i made it with this program

http://www.magix.com/us/music-maker/premium/

This program is so worth it, Your possibilities become endless, Give it a try.

Posted by: Chris S. Jun 27 2015, 02:17 AM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jun 27 2015, 12:47 AM) *
Thank for the feedback Chris, i actually just use my Boss Gt-10 anf the rest of the track i made it with this program

http://www.magix.com/us/music-maker/premium/

This program is so worth it, Your possibilities become endless, Give it a try.

Thanks for the link, man! I'll have to check out the demo - that price isn't bad at all.

i can run it in my daw and use midi, correct?

I've been adding software to my VST/VSTi collection - and this doesn't seem bad for the price at all!

Posted by: Ricky9 Jun 27 2015, 05:46 PM

QUOTE (Chris S. @ Jun 26 2015, 09:17 PM) *
Thanks for the link, man! I'll have to check out the demo - that price isn't bad at all.

i can run it in my daw and use midi, correct?

I've been adding software to my VST/VSTi collection - and this doesn't seem bad for the price at all!



This program is a daw, it has everithing you need to record and master your songs, you can watch a couple of youtube videos about it, you will see what i mean.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 27 2015, 06:09 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jun 26 2015, 03:03 PM) *
Hey good job guys it sounds amazing. Here is my take enjoy!!!

https://soundcloud.com/rickynine/zombie-picmp3



Wou!! This is totally killer Ricky! It sounds like a movie!! I'm impressed on how you composed and arranged this idea. The strings mark a very cinematic rhythm that generates suspense, while the guitar is like saying goodbye.... There is not only top quality musical stuff, it transmits lot...

what VSTi are you using for strings and piano? Is it all there on the Magix music maker?




Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jun 27 2015, 06:15 PM

Hey Gabriel. What is the picture from? smile.gif

Posted by: Ricky9 Jun 27 2015, 06:53 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 27 2015, 01:09 PM) *
Wou!! This is totally killer Ricky! It sounds like a movie!! I'm impressed on how you composed and arranged this idea. The strings mark a very cinematic rhythm that generates suspense, while the guitar is like saying goodbye.... There is not only top quality musical stuff, it transmits lot...

what VSTi are you using for strings and piano? Is it all there on the Magix music maker?


Thanks for the comment Gabriel,All the sounds come with program. they are call soundpools and they include different genre of music with their respective instruments( or you can call them different grooves) that you can drag and drop on the program to make different songs. examples of several instruments include drums, bass, guitar, strings,wing instruments, etc. you can also purchase more soundpools and add them to your collection. its also comes with a lot of vst plugins you can use with your keyboard or midi keys. watch this video and see how easy is to make a song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nSCOX38R9Q

Also i forgot to mention, the soundpool genre i use for this is called "Movie Score", which comes with all those awesome sounds and more.

Posted by: Phil66 Jun 27 2015, 08:57 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jun 27 2015, 06:53 PM) *
Thanks for the comment Gabriel,All the sounds come with program. they are call soundpools and they include different genre of music with their respective instruments( or you can call them different grooves) that you can drag and drop on the program to make different songs. examples of several instruments include drums, bass, guitar, strings,wing instruments, etc. you can also purchase more soundpools and add them to your collection. its also comes with a lot of vst plugins you can use with your keyboard or midi keys. watch this video and see how easy is to make a song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nSCOX38R9Q

Also i forgot to mention, the soundpool genre i use for this is called "Movie Score", which comes with all those awesome sounds and more.


Ricky,

I just got the trial but I can't see how to get all key signatures. Is there a way in the full version?

I'm not a big fan of this kind of program but I could use it to add atmosphere to my pieces. smile.gif

Cheers

Posted by: Ricky9 Jun 27 2015, 10:13 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 27 2015, 03:57 PM) *
Ricky,

I just got the trial but I can't see how to get all key signatures. Is there a way in the full version?

I'm not a big fan of this kind of program but I could use it to add atmosphere to my pieces. smile.gif

Cheers


Here i have a couple of links that might help you with that.

how to change key sig:

http://www.magix.info/us/how-can-i-manually-change-the-key-signature-of.knowledge.1093061.html

tutorials:
http://www.magix.com/us/support/know-how/tutorial-videos/music-maker/

hope this helps if not you can check tutorial here on you tube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INh2u_Vf3oc

Keep me posted of your results.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jun 28 2015, 12:05 AM

Gonna try and record this tomorrow:

 Zombie_song.gp5 ( 38.46K ) : 83
 

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 28 2015, 01:18 AM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 26 2015, 05:31 PM) *
OK, just had a quick go at this one, I know where I want to go with it, I don't think I'll be able to come up with any solo work for it, it's a bit too heavy for my skill level at the moment. I tried to make it menacing and hectic for when the attack actually starts. If anyone can guide me a little with the rhythm part. I struggled to get the timing right, I tried to do it much slower but I am not Mr Iommi wink.gif I know the tone isn't too good on the rhythm but I can work on that.

Cheers folks.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/creativity-5-white-walkers-attack-in-progress-100bpm


Hi Phil, these ideas sound very dark and I can feel some Iommi vibes on it... I think that this idea fits great with the picture, but it is also a promising idea to continue a full song....

What is exactly the problem that you have with rhythm? writing drums?



QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jun 27 2015, 08:05 PM) *
Gonna try and record this tomorrow:


Hi Cael! I don't have Guitar pro on this computer now so I won't be able to check this until tomorrow. Do you have an audio version? (at least played with VSTi)



QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jun 27 2015, 02:15 PM) *
Hey Gabriel. What is the picture from? smile.gif


I think that Game of thrones...

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jun 28 2015, 01:22 AM

Here's a small sample. I'm gonna try and record some growling tomorrow and see if it sounds any good.

https://soundcloud.com/benjamin-storm-linnebjerg/quick-idea

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 28 2015, 01:49 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jun 27 2015, 09:22 PM) *
Here's a small sample. I'm gonna try and record some growling tomorrow and see if it sounds any good.

https://soundcloud.com/benjamin-storm-linnebjerg/quick-idea



Wou!! This sounds good man! It seems that you've been experimenting with the ideas from the video that we talked about at the chat-room, don't you? biggrin.gif

Your instrumental works are getting more and more interesting... but experimenting with growling is also a cool idea... looking forward it!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jun 28 2015, 01:54 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 28 2015, 01:49 AM) *
Wou!! This sounds good man! It seems that you've been experimenting with the ideas from the video that we talked about at the chat-room, don't you? biggrin.gif

Your instrumental works are getting more and more interesting... but experimenting with growling is also a cool idea... looking forward it!


I have indeed tried getting some "chords from single notes" in there. smile.gif

And thanks, Gabriel, for the kind words smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Jun 28 2015, 09:48 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 28 2015, 01:18 AM) *
Hi Phil, these ideas sound very dark and I can feel some Iommi vibes on it... I think that this idea fits great with the picture, but it is also a promising idea to continue a full song....

What is exactly the problem that you have with rhythm? writing drums?


Thanks Gab,

I struggled to get the rhythm guitar part to fit the bars correctly, I nearly started again by playing the rhythm at a speed that came natural to me and then I was going to use a metronome to discover the BPM. I didn't do that though because I didn't think it would help with development.

I wanted to start with a slow rhyhm something like Iron Man to relate to the bass line but couldn't come up with anything, I need to think more.

I then wanted a hectic rhythm like the one I put in there, then I was going to go back to the Iron Man idea.

I want a better darker tone for the rhythm guitar, I going to try another guitar next time.

The bass line is supposed to represent the walk in a menacing way.

Maybe I'm biting off more than I can chew at my current level.

I haven't worked out how to create drums yet, it takes too much of my precious practise time huh.gif

Cheers


EDIT:

What do you think about this rhythm?

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/creativity-5-white-walkers-attack-in-progress-2-100bpm-bm

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jun 29 2015, 02:22 PM

Not liking the full length of my idea anymore, and as it turns out, I'm not a growling kinda guy anyway, well, not naturally without any practice.

Maybe I'll try and see if I can take my idea in some other direction.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 29 2015, 05:05 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jun 28 2015, 05:48 AM) *
Thanks Gab,

I struggled to get the rhythm guitar part to fit the bars correctly, I nearly started again by playing the rhythm at a speed that came natural to me and then I was going to use a metronome to discover the BPM. I didn't do that though because I didn't think it would help with development.

I wanted to start with a slow rhyhm something like Iron Man to relate to the bass line but couldn't come up with anything, I need to think more.

I then wanted a hectic rhythm like the one I put in there, then I was going to go back to the Iron Man idea.

I want a better darker tone for the rhythm guitar, I going to try another guitar next time.

The bass line is supposed to represent the walk in a menacing way.

Maybe I'm biting off more than I can chew at my current level.

I haven't worked out how to create drums yet, it takes too much of my precious practise time huh.gif

Cheers

EDIT:

What do you think about this rhythm?

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/creativity-5-white-walkers-attack-in-progress-2-100bpm-bm



Hi mate! I like this new version a lot! The rhythms are clearer now and the arrangements is close to what it's usually done with strings on soundtracks... I can see the picture on this one even on this demo version. Nice work!





QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jun 29 2015, 10:22 AM) *
Not liking the full length of my idea anymore, and as it turns out, I'm not a growling kinda guy anyway, well, not naturally without any practice.

Maybe I'll try and see if I can take my idea in some other direction.



I think that the idea is cool enough to be instrumental, but I feel that the following part (to the version that you shared) should be more melodic... maybe using a synth or your guitar. What do you think?


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jun 30 2015, 12:38 AM

Just decided to try out putting in some glitches, not sure how you actually do it, but I just tried something:


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jul 2 2015, 02:44 PM

Can't edit my post, but I changed the sound a little again:

https://soundcloud.com/benjamin-storm-linnebjerg/quick-idea-glitched

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 2 2015, 03:03 PM

I was commenting the video when I found your new audio. I like this idea a lot mate, it sounds very interesting and I think that you are starting to compose instrumental tunes that are entertained to hear... there is a lot of musical stuff happening there. The extra fx add to the overall, and the new mix sounds much better. What did you changed? The mastering?


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jul 2 2015, 03:09 PM

I added some more gain to the guitars, some more bass too I believe, and I added a mastering plugin thing as well as an "exciter", whatever that is to make the guitars more beefy. I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing. I'm mostly just playing around with settings and plugins.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 3 2015, 05:25 PM

yeah, I see. So keep on experimenting because the overall mix improved a lot after the last tweaks... smile.gif

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jul 4 2015, 01:46 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 3 2015, 06:25 PM) *
yeah, I see. So keep on experimenting because the overall mix improved a lot after the last tweaks... smile.gif


Yeah, I should really look up some tutorial on how to mix metal smile.gif I'm sure it would help a lot. Or do you have any tips that I can use? smile.gif

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 4 2015, 05:52 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 4 2015, 08:46 AM) *
Yeah, I should really look up some tutorial on how to mix metal smile.gif I'm sure it would help a lot. Or do you have any tips that I can use? smile.gif


This might help brother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3FIkqt1zh0

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jul 4 2015, 05:57 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 4 2015, 06:52 PM) *
This might help brother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3FIkqt1zh0


Thanks, Ricky! smile.gif I will check it out a bit later.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 5 2015, 01:42 AM

That's an interesting video Ricky. There are lots of possibilities and tricks about mixing and there is always something new to learn. It would be a good first step if you do some research and read about how EQs and Compressors work. Then, it's also very important to know the frequency range for each instrument and get a frequency analyzer to check your mixes.

This one is free: http://www.voxengo.com/product/span/

Another very important thing is where you hear your mixes, your audio monitors or headphones are very important to get good results. What do you use?


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jul 5 2015, 01:45 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 5 2015, 02:42 AM) *
That's an interesting video Ricky. There are lots of possibilities and tricks about mixing and there is always something new to learn. It would be a good first step if you do some research and read about how EQs and Compressors work. Then, it's also very important to know the frequency range for each instrument and get a frequency analyzer to check your mixes.

This one is free: http://www.voxengo.com/product/span/

Another very important thing is where you hear your mixes, your audio monitors or headphones are very important to get good results. What do you use?


I only ever really use my headphones. And then when I hear my music on other speakers it sounds awful! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 6 2015, 01:43 AM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 4 2015, 09:45 PM) *
I only ever really use my headphones. And then when I hear my music on other speakers it sounds awful! biggrin.gif



That's not a good method! You should go from speakers to headphones while you do the mix to find a good balance between both. This will help to get a mix that sounds relatively good on every type of speaker.



Ok guys, are there any new tunes coming or should we go for the next pic?


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jul 6 2015, 01:51 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 6 2015, 02:43 AM) *
That's not a good method! You should go from speakers to headphones while you do the mix to find a good balance between both. This will help to get a mix that sounds relatively good on every type of speaker.



Ok guys, are there any new tunes coming or should we go for the next pic?


I know, but the problem is that I can't play loud at night which is when I usually play and record. So I have to use headphones then.

Oh, and I'm ready for the next picture, I think smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 6 2015, 03:09 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 5 2015, 09:51 PM) *
I know, but the problem is that I can't play loud at night which is when I usually play and record. So I have to use headphones then.

Oh, and I'm ready for the next picture, I think smile.gif



Well, maybe you can do some last hour tweaks during the day. Just check your mix with speakers and adjust some details regarding levels and EQ.

Ok, a new picture will come soon. smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 6 2015, 04:22 PM

New picture... pick up your fuzz pedals! biggrin.gif


Posted by: fzalfa Jul 6 2015, 05:55 PM

what to do, what to do !!!!????

Laurent

Posted by: fzalfa Jul 6 2015, 06:31 PM

hi here

2 minutes for a BT, 2 to choose a preset (not the best ok....) and good roll'in.....

i have done this, one take, i do not know the tonality...... so the first seconds i search my marks, i don't practice or even listen this sort of music..

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/country

not easy to play when my wife is tickle me

Laurent

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 6 2015, 07:28 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jul 6 2015, 01:31 PM) *
hi here

2 minutes for a BT, 2 to choose a preset (not the best ok....) and good roll'in.....

i have done this, one take, i do not know the tonality...... so the first seconds i search my marks, i don't practice or even listen this sort of music..

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/country

not easy to play when my wife is tickle me

Laurent



Nice one laurent, Just turn up the mids and highs on your amp, and you will nail the tone. Good playing brother.

Posted by: fzalfa Jul 6 2015, 07:30 PM

i have take the first preset who seem good , but in fact it is very crapy cause it's too low or to much....

thanks to appreciate

Laurent

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 6 2015, 07:32 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 5 2015, 08:51 PM) *
I know, but the problem is that I can't play loud at night which is when I usually play and record. So I have to use headphones then.

Oh, and I'm ready for the next picture, I think smile.gif


Hey Cal, I feel your struggle. Maybe getting a pair of good hedphones my help the issue. Just make sure they have big drivers and as close to FRFR as possible.

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 6 2015, 11:22 AM) *
New picture... pick up your fuzz pedals! biggrin.gif



I love country music, this is going to be so much fun!!!!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jul 6 2015, 07:36 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 6 2015, 08:32 PM) *
Hey Cal, I feel your struggle. Maybe getting a pair of good hedphones my help the issue. Just make sure they have big drivers and as close to FRFR as possible.


I have decent headphones. Sennheiser 380 Pro. But they sound nothing like my speakers.

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 6 2015, 07:55 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 6 2015, 02:36 PM) *
I have decent headphones. Sennheiser 380 Pro. But they sound nothing like my speakers.



This is the Pc speakers i use, they sound awesome and they are very afordable.

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/multimedia-speakers-z213


Also in the meantime check this out. i just finish this song


Posted by: fzalfa Jul 6 2015, 08:02 PM

logitech do cool stuff

nice song !!!

Laurent

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 6 2015, 09:43 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 6 2015, 04:22 PM) *
New picture... pick up your fuzz pedals! biggrin.gif



Hmmmmm, I'm getting menacing vibes from this laugh.gif

Posted by: Chris S. Jul 6 2015, 10:35 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 6 2015, 06:36 PM) *
I have decent headphones. Sennheiser 380 Pro. But they sound nothing like my speakers.

I feel your pain! I have the same headphones but no speakers at all sad.gif

Sounds great until I listen to it on my laptop/phone/tablet/etc...

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 7 2015, 04:49 AM

Hello guys, Here is my take, done the whole thing with my gr-55. Enjoy!!!


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jul 7 2015, 02:17 PM

QUOTE (Chris S. @ Jul 6 2015, 11:35 PM) *
I feel your pain! I have the same headphones but no speakers at all sad.gif

Sounds great until I listen to it on my laptop/phone/tablet/etc...


No speakers? That sucks! I actually have some decent speakers mounted on the wall for my stereo, which I can hook up to the computer if I want to. Maybe I should try that from time to time to check my mixes.

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 7 2015, 05:49 AM) *
Hello guys, Here is my take, done the whole thing with my gr-55. Enjoy!!!



Damn, that was spot on for the picture! Awesome, Ricky!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 7 2015, 05:00 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jul 6 2015, 02:31 PM) *
hi here

2 minutes for a BT, 2 to choose a preset (not the best ok....) and good roll'in.....

i have done this, one take, i do not know the tonality...... so the first seconds i search my marks, i don't practice or even listen this sort of music..

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/country

not easy to play when my wife is tickle me

Laurent



Hi Laurent! Nice take over this backing. Your submit has given a happy country feel to the picture. Your phrasing is very tasty and except by some sections in the beginning, the note choices are very nice to hear. I also think that some more mids in your tone can make this one fit better in the mix, as well as some little delay or reverb.

Thanks for your take!

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 6 2015, 03:55 PM) *
This is the Pc speakers i use, they sound awesome and they are very afordable.

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/multimedia-speakers-z213


Also in the meantime check this out. i just finish this song




Wou!! Great stuff man! I love how everything turns at 00:31, that melody is epic, very deep and expressive and then, everything goes metal!! This tune is perfect man, you should release some instrumental music. Are there any plans? biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 7 2015, 12:49 AM) *
Hello guys, Here is my take, done the whole thing with my gr-55. Enjoy!!!




Hi Ricky! Nice idea! It is so perfect for this picture, I close my eyes, and I'm there, feeling lonely in a desert full of cactus... this groove and progression could be used for a full song, you should save this idea in your archive for future re-work.

Did you also record drums with your guitar?


Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 7 2015, 06:51 PM

Thank you guys, I appreciate the kind words. I been working on improving my recording Technics for the past week or so, Now i am working on old songs and trying to remake them. Currently trying to finish the country song. I will probably be done tonight. When you learn how to correctly record guitar, you realize the amount of work you have to put in it (specially the double tracking). And using all the compressors and Eqs for each instrument, now it becomes a hard task. But i believe my recordings now sound better than before, so it makes all the hard work payoff.

Also in the last song i use my gr-55 for all the instruments from bass. piano, guitars and strings but not for the drums, even thou you can do the drums on the guitar. Since you can assign a different sound to each string on the guitar with the GK-3 pickup, But i rather use the drums tracks.

I still have long ways to go and learn before i can say my music is worthy of releasing a CD or anything like that. With that in mind, I want to thank you guys for letting me into your group.I have learn so much from everybody in here. Never think you cant learn from other people, every song that you guys make in this exercises helps all of us in expending our ideas and concepts. Thank you all, and lets see those ideas keep flourishing.

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 7 2015, 07:56 PM

eeeek, after all these happy takes I'm worried about my idea, I'm thinking vultures circling over a stranded cowboy unsure.gif


Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 7 2015, 08:11 PM

Here is the extended version, Enjoy!!!!




QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jul 7 2015, 02:56 PM) *
eeeek, after all these happy takes I'm worried about my idea, I'm thinking vultures circling over a stranded cowboy unsure.gif



Lets hear it brother!!!!

Posted by: fzalfa Jul 7 2015, 08:21 PM

QUOTE
Hi Laurent! Nice take over this backing. Your submit has given a happy country feel to the picture. Your phrasing is very tasty and except by some sections in the beginning, the note choices are very nice to hear. I also think that some more mids in your tone can make this one fit better in the mix, as well as some little delay or reverb.


hi Gabriel

really recorded in less time than i take to write this,i had listen it again today, and i found it near to be awfull, i'm really shameless to dare showing you this !!!

Laurent

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 8 2015, 02:48 PM

Haven't come up with much, time is a big issue.

Ok, my initial idea is the intro melody which could go on to be embellished into a main theme.

My idea from this picture is a lone cowboy, no horse, stranded in the desert with vultures circling overhead. He is looking for shelter, and is fearing the vultures as he weakens. The tone is supposed to be tense to represent the fear of the cowboy.I even thought of a mythical bird, The Cactus Vulture, I always think cacti could be animated to morph into other things, they have "that" shape wink.gif

No backing, just the initial idea.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cactus-vulture-basic-intro-melody-in-progress-g-maj

Phil

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 8 2015, 03:18 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jul 7 2015, 03:21 PM) *
hi Gabriel

really recorded in less time than i take to write this,i had listen it again today, and i found it near to be awfull, i'm really shameless to dare showing you this !!!

Laurent



Your track is what gave me inspiration to write mine, I don't see why you would think yours is bad. I believe is really good. Don't be so hard on your self brother.


QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jul 8 2015, 09:48 AM) *
Haven't come up with much, time is a big issue.

Ok, my initial idea is the intro melody which could go on to be embellished into a main theme.

My idea from this picture is a lone cowboy, no horse, stranded in the desert with vultures circling overhead. He is looking for shelter, and is fearing the vultures as he weakens. The tone is supposed to be tense to represent the fear of the cowboy.I even thought of a mythical bird, The Cactus Vulture, I always think cacti could be animated to morph into other things, they have "that" shape wink.gif

No backing, just the initial idea.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cactus-vulture-basic-intro-melody-in-progress-g-maj

Phil


Great sounding melody Phil, I think this is going to be an awesome take from you. Can't wait to hear your song.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 8 2015, 07:46 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 7 2015, 04:11 PM) *
Here is the extended version, Enjoy!!!!







Lets hear it brother!!!!


Cool follow up! It's interesting to see how the melody has given a sad direction to the tune. I honestly didn't imagine that it could become this, but I have to say that the surprise is positive. Cool stuff mate.


QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jul 7 2015, 04:21 PM) *
hi Gabriel

really recorded in less time than i take to write this,i had listen it again today, and i found it near to be awfull, i'm really shameless to dare showing you this !!!

Laurent



Hi Laurent, I don't know why you say this. I don't think that your improvisation is bad, I think that your phrasing is tasty and inspiring. Why are you saying this mate?


QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jul 8 2015, 10:48 AM) *
Haven't come up with much, time is a big issue.

Ok, my initial idea is the intro melody which could go on to be embellished into a main theme.

My idea from this picture is a lone cowboy, no horse, stranded in the desert with vultures circling overhead. He is looking for shelter, and is fearing the vultures as he weakens. The tone is supposed to be tense to represent the fear of the cowboy.I even thought of a mythical bird, The Cactus Vulture, I always think cacti could be animated to morph into other things, they have "that" shape wink.gif

No backing, just the initial idea.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cactus-vulture-basic-intro-melody-in-progress-g-maj

Phil



Hi Phil! This is very interesting. I can really feel the story that you see behind this picture, however I feel that the melody would work much better with other instrument... maybe a wing instrument,,, something more like a recorder or pipe, I'm not sure... do you agree?


Posted by: Phil66 Jul 8 2015, 09:16 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 8 2015, 07:46 PM) *
Hi Phil! This is very interesting. I can really feel the story that you see behind this picture, however I feel that the melody would work much better with other instrument... maybe a wing instrument,,, something more like a recorder or pipe, I'm not sure... do you agree?


AAAAARRRRRRGGGHHHH mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif I hate recorders laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

I'm sorry I'm not doing as well with these latest pictures as I did with the first three sad.gif I guess I struggling to find a spark unsure.gif

This melody reminds me of some other piece of music but I can't think what, I played it to someone at work and they said it reminded them of Top Gun in a way, but I'm not sure.

My idea is that the camera is watching the struggling cowboy, then, just as the guitar starts it pans to the cactus and setting sun, zooming in on the circling predators.

I've tried to add a bit of atmosphere at the beginning, when you would be watching the cowboy wink.gif I need to come up with a rhythm, maybe that will help to inspire a new melody if this one is no good to build on smile.gif

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cactus-vulture-in-progress-2-gmaj

Cheers

Phil






Posted by: fzalfa Jul 8 2015, 09:32 PM

QUOTE
Hi Laurent, I don't know why you say this. I don't think that your improvisation is bad, I think that your phrasing is tasty and inspiring. Why are you saying this mate?


well
i'm (very) frustrated because i'm not good as i like to be now, i'm plenty of idea, melody etc, but i cannot materialise them.

frustration is good....a good motivation

you see what i mean ?

Laurent

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 8 2015, 10:29 PM

Laurent,

I am the same, I have good ideas but can't get them into my fingers. That is why we are here. We will eventually be able to connect our mind to our fingers. Have patience mate. It will come smile.gif

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 9 2015, 01:54 AM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jul 8 2015, 05:29 PM) *
Laurent,

I am the same, I have good ideas but can't get them into my fingers. That is why we are here. We will eventually be able to connect our mind to our fingers. Have patience mate. It will come smile.gif



Hi guys, Hopefully this little article guide you in the right direction. Hope it helps.

http://www.fretjam.com/how-to-mimic-the-vocal-melody-in-your-guitar-solos.html


Also i redone this song let me know what you guys think. Enjoy!!!


Posted by: fzalfa Jul 9 2015, 07:29 AM

i try to sing my solo when i play, but i'm not alone in the rom when i play so it's not really confortable for other.

but my guitar professor told me to do that, and when i can do it, that work !!

Laurent

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 9 2015, 09:07 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 9 2015, 01:54 AM) *
Hi guys, Hopefully this little article guide you in the right direction. Hope it helps.

http://www.fretjam.com/how-to-mimic-the-vocal-melody-in-your-guitar-solos.html


Thanks Ricky, I'll have to fit that into my weekend schedule. Much appreciated smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 10 2015, 01:28 AM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jul 8 2015, 05:16 PM) *
AAAAARRRRRRGGGHHHH mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif I hate recorders laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

I'm sorry I'm not doing as well with these latest pictures as I did with the first three sad.gif I guess I struggling to find a spark unsure.gif

This melody reminds me of some other piece of music but I can't think what, I played it to someone at work and they said it reminded them of Top Gun in a way, but I'm not sure.

My idea is that the camera is watching the struggling cowboy, then, just as the guitar starts it pans to the cactus and setting sun, zooming in on the circling predators.

I've tried to add a bit of atmosphere at the beginning, when you would be watching the cowboy wink.gif I need to come up with a rhythm, maybe that will help to inspire a new melody if this one is no good to build on smile.gif

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cactus-vulture-in-progress-2-gmaj

Cheers

Phil



Hi Phil! While I was listening to this new version, a drum groove came to my mind... check it out and tell me what you think... smile.gif

 rhythm_Phill.mp3 ( 314.83K ) : 64


QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 8 2015, 09:54 PM) *
Hi guys, Hopefully this little article guide you in the right direction. Hope it helps.

http://www.fretjam.com/how-to-mimic-the-vocal-melody-in-your-guitar-solos.html


Also i redone this song let me know what you guys think. Enjoy!!!




That's so cool mate!! Now that I checked this tune, I can say that the groove that I suggested to Phil has some connection with the groove of the riff here, and also, the melodic section has some relation to Phil's melody.... we are all connected!! biggrin.gif

I really enjoyed your composition, it sounds modern, and interesting. Thanks for sharing it here.

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jul 8 2015, 05:32 PM) *
well
i'm (very) frustrated because i'm not good as i like to be now, i'm plenty of idea, melody etc, but i cannot materialise them.

frustration is good....a good motivation

you see what i mean ?

Laurent



yeah, I see. So the ideas are in your mind, but you cannot transpose them to your guitar.... you need to do some more ear training. There are basically two things that has helped me a lot:

- Learning songs and solos by ear.
- Playing scales and phrases and singing at the same time.

Do this diary, and the connection between mind and guitar will be much smoother.

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 11 2015, 10:16 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 10 2015, 01:28 AM) *
Hi Phil! While I was listening to this new version, a drum groove came to my mind... check it out and tell me what you think... smile.gif

 rhythm_Phill.mp3 ( 314.83K ) : 64


Thanks Gab, I'll give that a try later on today smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 11 2015, 08:52 PM

Hello Gab,

I just extended your rhythm a little and put it into the track. I'm not sure how it all fits together timing wise, it's sounds ok to me because I was thinking along the lines of the drums not being part of the musical piece so to speak but, another element of threat for the cowboy; the Indians a very near ph34r.gif !!!!!!!! I've also tried to add a bit of tension with the effects at the beginning by using l/r panning.

Had to do this in Reaper which I really don't know so lost some practice tonight, enjoyed doing this though, learning a little bit more in Reaper smile.gif


https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cactus-vulture-in-progress-3-gmaj

Thanks

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 12 2015, 02:10 AM

Hi Phil! I think that both things could go great together. The first part of the melody goes well with the groove, then the rhythm connection between both is lost. You should try to play the melody over the drums to make them go together... do you note what I mean?


Posted by: Phil66 Jul 12 2015, 12:43 PM

Thanks Gab, I understand fully what you mean smile.gif I'll do another take tonight. I've just tried to have a go but I'm struggling to play long slow notes over a quick backing rhythm. rolleyes.gif

Cheers

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 12 2015, 06:13 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jul 12 2015, 08:43 AM) *
Thanks Gab, I understand fully what you mean smile.gif I'll do another take tonight. I've just tried to have a go but I'm struggling to play long slow notes over a quick backing rhythm. rolleyes.gif

Cheers



Great! Looking forward it. smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 12 2015, 07:58 PM

Ok, I've had a try but for some reason I am struggling with timing. Playing longer notes over a beat like this is tricky for me, is this normal for a beginner? I keep wanting to replicate the beat when I play the notes on the guitar, I hope that makes sense. It's all part of the learning process I guess but it does feel odd to me. smile.gif I can't even hear if it is in time or not rolleyes.gif

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cactus-vulture-in-progress-4-gmaj

Cheers

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 12 2015, 09:22 PM

I put some chords on the backing track drums that Gab gave you, the chords are Bm, Amaj, Gmaj. Hope it serves you of ideas.


 Phil66.MP3 ( 442.45K ) : 83




Posted by: Phil66 Jul 12 2015, 09:56 PM

Thanks Ricky

I'll try that out tomorrow wink.gif


Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 12 2015, 11:07 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jul 12 2015, 04:56 PM) *
Thanks Ricky

I'll try that out tomorrow wink.gif



You welcome, please feel free to ask any question you have, I am by no means a "Rockstar" but i do know a little and if i don't know i will certainly guide to the right place. And i have all the time in the world since i retired from the military. I try to help Gabriel since his hands are full with like a million people, plus a full time band.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 13 2015, 03:11 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jul 12 2015, 03:58 PM) *
Ok, I've had a try but for some reason I am struggling with timing. Playing longer notes over a beat like this is tricky for me, is this normal for a beginner? I keep wanting to replicate the beat when I play the notes on the guitar, I hope that makes sense. It's all part of the learning process I guess but it does feel odd to me. smile.gif I can't even hear if it is in time or not rolleyes.gif

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cactus-vulture-in-progress-4-gmaj

Cheers



Hi Phil, no, this is not in time. Please try something over the progression recorded by Ricky to see if it helps to find the right rhythm. Ok?




Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jul 13 2015, 03:13 PM

I'm really struggling with this picture for some reason.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 13 2015, 03:23 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 12 2015, 05:22 PM) *
I put some chords on the backing track drums that Gab gave you, the chords are Bm, Amaj, Gmaj. Hope it serves you of ideas.


 Phil66.MP3 ( 442.45K ) : 83



Thanks Ricky! This sound good! I'd suggest this scale to play over this one:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 13 2015, 11:13 AM) *
I'm really struggling with this picture for some reason.



not very stoner days lately? mellow.gif

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jul 13 2015, 03:24 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 13 2015, 04:23 PM) *
not very stoner days lately? mellow.gif


I'm really trying to come up with something that will fit the picture, but it's not exactly working. How long do I have? smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 13 2015, 08:57 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 12 2015, 11:07 PM) *
You welcome, please feel free to ask any question you have, I am by no means a "Rockstar" but i do know a little and if i don't know i will certainly guide to the right place. And i have all the time in the world since i retired from the military. I try to help Gabriel since his hands are full with like a million people, plus a full time band.


Awwww, now I feel bad asking Gab loads of questions and taking up his time sad.gif

Here's another attempt. Is it normal to struggle playing a piece like this over a drum pattern like that? Or is it just me?

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cactus-vulture-in-progress-5-b-aeolian

Cheers

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 14 2015, 03:20 AM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jul 13 2015, 03:57 PM) *
Awwww, now I feel bad asking Gab loads of questions and taking up his time sad.gif

Here's another attempt. Is it normal to struggle playing a piece like this over a drum pattern like that? Or is it just me?

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cactus-vulture-in-progress-5-b-aeolian

Cheers



You should not fell bad, thats the reason he is here. I guess you miss understood what i was trying to do here. Some people don't get that the instructors here are professional musicians, and they get frustrated when they don't receive a fast answer to their questions. But anyway i believe you take is sounds really good. But lets see what Gabriel points out.

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 14 2015, 08:30 AM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 14 2015, 03:20 AM) *
You should not fell bad, thats the reason he is here. I guess you miss understood what i was trying to do here. Some people don't get that the instructors here are professional musicians, and they get frustrated when they don't receive a fast answer to their questions. But anyway i believe you take is sounds really good. But lets see what Gabriel points out.


Thanks, I know he is a professional musician and I appreciate everything he and all the tutors do on here, even the students help out if they can, which is great. This place in my opinion is better than a private tutor that you see once a week so I never get frustrated if I don't get a quick reply. Not only are they pro musicians, they have a life to live too wink.gif

Thanks for your help Ricky, I appreciate it smile.gif


Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 14 2015, 08:29 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 13 2015, 11:24 AM) *
I'm really trying to come up with something that will fit the picture, but it's not exactly working. How long do I have? smile.gif


I was planning to share a new picture on Friday...

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jul 13 2015, 04:57 PM) *
Awwww, now I feel bad asking Gab loads of questions and taking up his time sad.gif

Here's another attempt. Is it normal to struggle playing a piece like this over a drum pattern like that? Or is it just me?

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/cactus-vulture-in-progress-5-b-aeolian

Cheers



Now we are talking Phil!! smile.gif

Now the rhythm of your melody is going with the drums. There is some room to adjustment but it's there, it's clear. Well done! It's great to see that this creativity workout is also a good excuse to train technique and hearing skills. Keep on working!

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jul 14 2015, 04:30 AM) *
Thanks, I know he is a professional musician and I appreciate everything he and all the tutors do on here, even the students help out if they can, which is great. This place in my opinion is better than a private tutor that you see once a week so I never get frustrated if I don't get a quick reply. Not only are they pro musicians, they have a life to live too wink.gif

Thanks for your help Ricky, I appreciate it smile.gif



It's very nice to read this mate. smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 14 2015, 08:33 PM



QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 14 2015, 08:29 PM) *
Now we are talking Phil!! smile.gif

Now the rhythm of your melody is going with the drums. There is some room to adjustment but it's there, it's clear. Well done! It's great to see that this creativity workout is also a good excuse to train technique and hearing skills. Keep on working!


Thanks Gab,

What did you mean about "hearing skills"? Also, any idea why I was struggling with the rhythm without the chords? Is it a normal beginner thing or just me?

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 14 2015, 08:29 PM) *
It's very nice to read this mate. smile.gif


I mean it 100% wink.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 15 2015, 05:25 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jul 14 2015, 04:33 PM) *
IGNORE THIS rolleyes.gif



Thanks Gab,

What did you mean about "hearing skills"? Also, any idea why I was struggling with the rhythm without the chords? Is it a normal beginner thing or just me?



I mean that this workout also helps to train your ear. About playing over drums without chords, as everything it's related to practice. The more you do it the more familiar you'll be with it. wink.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 15 2015, 05:32 PM

Ahhhhh I get it smile.gif my right hand always wants to TRY to follow the rhythm of the drum so its hard when I don't want to, like in this piece.

Cheers

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 16 2015, 03:51 PM

Last day for the current picture!

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 16 2015, 09:16 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 16 2015, 10:51 AM) *
Last day for the current picture!


Yes, new picture!!!!!!

Posted by: fzalfa Jul 16 2015, 09:32 PM

Yes !!
A brand new one !!!

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 17 2015, 04:39 PM

New picture!!



taken from: http://www.picswalls.com/

Posted by: fzalfa Jul 17 2015, 07:50 PM

hooo yeah !!!!

compo/impro mode enabled !!

Laurent

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 17 2015, 08:18 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 17 2015, 04:39 PM) *
New picture!!



taken from: http://www.picswalls.com/


Brilliant!! I'm on it. Please don't close this one until at least a week after I return wink.gif

It will probably be another case of ambition outweighing talent laugh.gif

Cheers Gab

Posted by: fzalfa Jul 17 2015, 08:29 PM

backtrack found
melody done for a try, i eat, it's time to diner, and i do a one shoot !

edit:

this is my crime

i have done the rythm guitar and the melody, need a lot of polish , close your eyes, made abstract of the false notes and feel the terror !!!!

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/the-omen-preview

Laurent

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 18 2015, 08:10 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 17 2015, 11:39 AM) *
New picture!!



taken from: http://www.picswalls.com/


Interesting!!!!

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jul 17 2015, 03:29 PM) *
backtrack found
melody done for a try, i eat, it's time to diner, and i do a one shoot !

edit:

this is my crime

i have done the rythm guitar and the melody, need a lot of polish , close your eyes, made abstract of the false notes and feel the terror !!!!

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/the-omen-preview

Laurent


Sounding good Laurent!!!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 18 2015, 08:26 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jul 17 2015, 04:29 PM) *
backtrack found
melody done for a try, i eat, it's time to diner, and i do a one shoot !

edit:

this is my crime

i have done the rythm guitar and the melody, need a lot of polish , close your eyes, made abstract of the false notes and feel the terror !!!!

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/the-omen-preview

Laurent



Hi Laurent, I like the concept behind this. The idea is clear and promising. I think that with some polishing, mostly on your guitar playing this could be an horror masterpiece, in the style of musicians like Rob Zombie, John 5 and Buckethead.

Have you also recorded the backing for this one?


Posted by: fzalfa Jul 18 2015, 08:35 PM

thanks for listening, i think it's a mess, need to be polished and organised.

i have record the two guitar track, the BT is comming from Utube

then, i return to my triads wink.gif

edit:too much crap , i do another one !!

later......another version:

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/the-omen-preview-3

Laurent

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 18 2015, 11:58 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jul 18 2015, 03:35 PM) *
thanks for listening, i think it's a mess, need to be polished and organised.

i have record the two guitar track, the BT is comming from Utube

then, i return to my triads wink.gif

edit:too much crap , i do another one !!

later......another version:

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/the-omen-preview-3

Laurent


Yeah i like this take a lot better, sounds more polished. Good job Laurent!!!!!

Here is my take, I used the following info to get this song done, is a good read.

http://www.forbisthemighty.com/pages/how_to_write_horror_music.htm


https://soundcloud.com/rickynine/spokymp3

Posted by: fzalfa Jul 19 2015, 12:00 AM

Cool !!!!!!! it's freightening !!!!

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 19 2015, 11:03 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jul 18 2015, 04:35 PM) *
thanks for listening, i think it's a mess, need to be polished and organised.

i have record the two guitar track, the BT is comming from Utube

then, i return to my triads wink.gif

edit:too much crap , i do another one !!

later......another version:

https://soundcloud.com/dizy-laurent/the-omen-preview-3

Laurent



Hey mate! Great job! It's really cool to see how you polished your idea. This new take is much clearer and cleaner. There are some moments in which the riffs that you've recorded deserve some drums. I think that it would be good if you start experimenting creating your own backings for your songs. Have you thought about it?



QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 18 2015, 07:58 PM) *
Yeah i like this take a lot better, sounds more polished. Good job Laurent!!!!!

Here is my take, I used the following info to get this song done, is a good read.

http://www.forbisthemighty.com/pages/how_to_write_horror_music.htm


https://soundcloud.com/rickynine/spokymp3



Wou!! This is killer man! The composition and arrangements sound perfect for this picture! I also think that you've chosen the perfect VST instruments for a songs like this one. I assume that the article that you've shared includes good stuff about composing and arranging music in this style so be sure that I'll read it in a moment.

One thing that I think could improve this tune is to work a bit more the mix and mastering. I feel that your creativity is unlimited and that your composition is top level, however the audio is not at the same level. So, a good plan would be to start exploring and experimenting with EQs, compressors, fxs and mastering suites to polish the sound. What do you think?

Posted by: fzalfa Jul 19 2015, 11:06 PM

hi Gabriel

thanks for listening

yes i have think about it, i have a track in the mind (i already do some try)

i'm considering to buy a midi keyboard, this may help for some compo....

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 20 2015, 03:25 PM

yes, midi controllers help to record drums, bass and other instruments easily. M-audio has some good ones at reasonable prices. I use this one: http://www.m-audio.com/products/view/oxygen-25#.Va0E3_lViko

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 20 2015, 07:10 PM

Thanks Gab for the kind words. Mixing and mastering is something that i could use some help with. I been reading about it, But with not much success. I could definitely use some tips from you. What you think?

Posted by: fzalfa Jul 21 2015, 12:10 AM

i have buyed a keyboard, a yamaha , a basic one, some octaves, some controlers ..... good enought for me smile.gif

i have buyed a BOSS GT100..... to play outside !

(i have missed the occasion to play with a great french guitarist, Mr Jean Lousi AUBERT from the famous band "telephone", in a fiels, a refregirator pluged onto a generator, gear pluged in too, beer, guitarists....)

my phone was off...... bouhhouuuuu

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 21 2015, 07:37 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 20 2015, 03:10 PM) *
Thanks Gab for the kind words. Mixing and mastering is something that i could use some help with. I been reading about it, But with not much success. I could definitely use some tips from you. What you think?



Sure! Some first thought that come to mind:

- The tone of your guitar is not totally powerful for this tune. What amp are you using? Have you doubled the track?

- Drums need treatment. Each part of the drums need a different EQ and compression. You could start tweaking Kick, Snare, OH and Room. You can start basically with a compressor and EQ on each of them. A good way to start is using the presets from your EQ and Comp plug ins and tweak them a bit until you heard something that you like. Drums also are lacking power and presence.

- Other instruments: I feel that your VSTi are lacking presence and definition so some EQ tweak can also help.


When mixing, we need to find a place in the frequency range for each instrument, so knowing where each instrument has its fundamental frequencies is important to know what frequencies you can enhance and which ones you should lower. There are many tables on internet.

Check out this: https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=equalization&safe=off&rlz=1C1GIGM_enAR563&espv=2&biw=1440&bih=755&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIq9-94O3sxgIVxReQCh1NwgLy#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=instruments+frecuency+range

Then you can experiment with reverb to create ambiance in your mix. This is totally another chapter but once Kristofer shared with me this great article: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul08/articles/reverb1.htm

There you can find many other articles about mixing. There is always something new to try and to learn, but experimenting and doing it frequently is the key.

Any questions? Feel free to share new versions here, I'll be happy to check and give more specific feedback.

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jul 20 2015, 08:10 PM) *
i have buyed a keyboard, a yamaha , a basic one, some octaves, some controlers ..... good enought for me smile.gif

i have buyed a BOSS GT100..... to play outside !

(i have missed the occasion to play with a great french guitarist, Mr Jean Lousi AUBERT from the famous band "telephone", in a fiels, a refregirator pluged onto a generator, gear pluged in too, beer, guitarists....)

my phone was off...... bouhhouuuuu

Laurent



Good stuff! Congrats mate. Looking forward your own composition and backings. smile.gif

Posted by: fzalfa Jul 21 2015, 11:43 PM

QUOTE
Good stuff! Congrats mate. Looking forward your own composition and backings. smile.gif


with all the load of work i have about guitar, i must live 2 or 3 (long) life

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 22 2015, 02:21 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jul 21 2015, 07:43 PM) *
with all the load of work i have about guitar, i must live 2 or 3 (long) life

Laurent



haha sometimes we feel that but the most important thing is to enjoy it. There is no hurry mate, take your time to work on each element and be organized with your time.

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 22 2015, 04:18 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 21 2015, 02:37 PM) *
Sure! Some first thought that come to mind:

- The tone of your guitar is not totally powerful for this tune. What amp are you using? Have you doubled the track?

- Drums need treatment. Each part of the drums need a different EQ and compression. You could start tweaking Kick, Snare, OH and Room. You can start basically with a compressor and EQ on each of them. A good way to start is using the presets from your EQ and Comp plug ins and tweak them a bit until you heard something that you like. Drums also are lacking power and presence.

- Other instruments: I feel that your VSTi are lacking presence and definition so some EQ tweak can also help.


When mixing, we need to find a place in the frequency range for each instrument, so knowing where each instrument has its fundamental frequencies is important to know what frequencies you can enhance and which ones you should lower. There are many tables on internet.

Check out this: https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=equalization&safe=off&rlz=1C1GIGM_enAR563&espv=2&biw=1440&bih=755&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIq9-94O3sxgIVxReQCh1NwgLy#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=instruments+frecuency+range

Then you can experiment with reverb to create ambiance in your mix. This is totally another chapter but once Kristofer shared with me this great article: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul08/articles/reverb1.htm

There you can find many other articles about mixing. There is always something new to try and to learn, but experimenting and doing it frequently is the key.

Any questions? Feel free to share new versions here, I'll be happy to check and give more specific feedback.




Good stuff! Congrats mate. Looking forward your own composition and backings. smile.gif


Thanks for the info Gab!!!, Here i uploaded a remix version with the tips you gave me.

 Spokyremix.MP3 ( 6.41MB ) : 95




Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 23 2015, 04:12 PM

Hi mate,

the vst instruments are a bit better but I feel that they are still lacking presence and definition.



Besides this, the main problem are guitars and drums. Check this video:




Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 23 2015, 08:46 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 23 2015, 11:12 AM) *
Hi mate,

the vst instruments are a bit better but I feel that they are still lacking presence and definition.



Besides this, the main problem are guitars and drums. Check this video:



Thanks for the info Gab!!!!, I will probably do this for the next song. So much to learn and do.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 24 2015, 02:03 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 23 2015, 04:46 PM) *
Thanks for the info Gab!!!!, I will probably do this for the next song. So much to learn and do.



Yeah, it's endless! smile.gif

Ok guys, new picture! Batman is coming! biggrin.gif


Posted by: fzalfa Jul 24 2015, 04:22 PM

ho! i do not notice this, some meat for this evening !!!

Gabriel: i l have finaly buyed a M-audio oxygen 8 v2..... i try to learn how to use it

Laurent

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 24 2015, 07:18 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 24 2015, 09:03 AM) *
Yeah, it's endless! smile.gif

Ok guys, new picture! Batman is coming! biggrin.gif




Nice!!!!!

Posted by: fzalfa Jul 24 2015, 09:48 PM

work in progress.......

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 25 2015, 05:19 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jul 24 2015, 12:22 PM) *
ho! i do not notice this, some meat for this evening !!!

Gabriel: i l have finaly buyed a M-audio oxygen 8 v2..... i try to learn how to use it

Laurent



Cool! Congrats mate! smile.gif

Posted by: fzalfa Jul 26 2015, 10:12 PM

Hi

this is a WIP of my compo session, i have done drums with a generator, bass and rythm guitar

i must done solos and some keyboard stuff.

https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/batman-rythm-bass

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 27 2015, 04:17 PM

Hi Laurent, good first recording. Congrats. Are the drums midi or audio? What multitrack are you using? Reaper? What are you using for drums?


Posted by: fzalfa Jul 27 2015, 04:30 PM

hi

i use cubase + EZDrummer

i'll finish it today or tomorow

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 27 2015, 04:36 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jul 27 2015, 12:30 PM) *
hi

i use cubase + EZDrummer

i'll finish it today or tomorow

Laurent



So you have drums in midi?


Posted by: fzalfa Jul 27 2015, 04:41 PM

i have produced a wave file and i work with it


edit later:

this is with a keyboard tryout.... not my habits to use one, i learn

https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/batmanbasskeyb

end part with end solo preview

https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/batmanbasskeybendsoloshort

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 28 2015, 03:07 PM

Hi Laurent! I'm really happy to see how you could create a backing by your own. This is a great first step in your career as musician and composer! The tune sounds very like a superhero soundtrack. I like the feel of the intro and verses but my favorite part is when the progression starts to move up, that part is epic! I feel that the tune needs more of that, maybe a harmonic change close to the end.

About the solo, it's ok, but it needs of course to be polished, and maybe more melodic lines that keep that suspense vibe. Listen to some John 5 metal tunes and you'll see what I mean. biggrin.gif


Posted by: fzalfa Jul 28 2015, 05:29 PM

Hi Gabriel

Thanks for listening, once again wink.gif

everything need to be polished, it's for all parts a very quick draw.

i must fine a good solution for my audio workflow, i do not know Cubase except for very basic stuff, i must use pattern , copy/paste of audio parts to be more efficient, as studio do it !

i wasn't inspired about the solo, nothing what to come, anyway i try; even if i shake the neck, nothing was come....

edit: i have listen The Devil Knows My Name from John 5

this guy is very good, fast, clean and damn inventive !!!! use a lots of FX, maybe a potential influence.

Laurent

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 28 2015, 06:47 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jul 27 2015, 11:41 AM) *
i have produced a wave file and i work with it


edit later:

this is with a keyboard tryout.... not my habits to use one, i learn

https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/batmanbasskeyb

end part with end solo preview

https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/batmanbasskeybendsoloshort

Laurent


Sounding good Laurent, I am glad you now have to chance to make your own backings. Its a lot of fun when you have to make your own, you also learn so much by doing so.

Here is my take, hope you guys like it.



https://soundcloud.com/rickynine/batmanscallmp3

Posted by: fzalfa Jul 28 2015, 06:52 PM

very nice rick !!!!!

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 29 2015, 03:00 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Jul 28 2015, 01:29 PM) *
Hi Gabriel

Thanks for listening, once again wink.gif

everything need to be polished, it's for all parts a very quick draw.

i must fine a good solution for my audio workflow, i do not know Cubase except for very basic stuff, i must use pattern , copy/paste of audio parts to be more efficient, as studio do it !

i wasn't inspired about the solo, nothing what to come, anyway i try; even if i shake the neck, nothing was come....

edit: i have listen The Devil Knows My Name from John 5

this guy is very good, fast, clean and damn inventive !!!! use a lots of FX, maybe a potential influence.

Laurent



Hi laurent, there are many Cubase tutorials at youtube: https://youtu.be/rYV2Hi6uAnU

It would be good to dedicate some time to learn the things that you need to be able to transpose your ideas from your head to your multitrack smoothly.

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 28 2015, 02:47 PM) *
Sounding good Laurent, I am glad you now have to chance to make your own backings. Its a lot of fun when you have to make your own, you also learn so much by doing so.

Here is my take, hope you guys like it.



https://soundcloud.com/rickynine/batmanscallmp3



Danny Elfman?? Is that you?? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

This sounds killer mate. Once again, I feel that the mix is not making justice to the quality of your composition. I can see that you are starting to find your style.

There are many sites like this one, have you ever thought on it?

http://www.taxi.com/transmitter/0807/qandl0807.html


Posted by: fzalfa Jul 29 2015, 04:08 PM

QUOTE
Sounding good Laurent, I am glad you now have to chance to make your own backings. Its a lot of fun when you have to make your own, you also learn so much by doing so.


thanks ricky9 !!

QUOTE
It would be good to dedicate some time to learn the things that you need to be able to transpose your ideas from your head to your multitrack smoothly.


yes i have planned to deal with, i do not take back my job since next years, so i have some time in front of me !

Laurent

Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 29 2015, 06:10 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 29 2015, 10:00 AM) *
Hi laurent, there are many Cubase tutorials at youtube: https://youtu.be/rYV2Hi6uAnU

It would be good to dedicate some time to learn the things that you need to be able to transpose your ideas from your head to your multitrack smoothly.




Danny Elfman?? Is that you?? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

This sounds killer mate. Once again, I feel that the mix is not making justice to the quality of your composition. I can see that you are starting to find your style.

There are many sites like this one, have you ever thought on it?

http://www.taxi.com/transmitter/0807/qandl0807.html


Glad you like it Gab, But i don't know what else to do, as far as the mixing goes. On this song i recorded the guitar 4 times just like the video you posted shows. I also EQ every instrument on its own spectrum. I took my time on this one, I don't know what am doing wrong with the mix. But i thought this one sounded better that my earlier ones. I guess mixing and mastering are not my thing. Oh well i guess i keep trying until frustration sets in.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 30 2015, 07:30 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Jul 29 2015, 02:10 PM) *
Glad you like it Gab, But i don't know what else to do, as far as the mixing goes. On this song i recorded the guitar 4 times just like the video you posted shows. I also EQ every instrument on its own spectrum. I took my time on this one, I don't know what am doing wrong with the mix. But i thought this one sounded better that my earlier ones. I guess mixing and mastering are not my thing. Oh well i guess i keep trying until frustration sets in.



What about sharing the tracks with me in wav format to let me see how everything sounds before mixing it and give some more precise suggestions?


Posted by: Ricky9 Jul 31 2015, 01:39 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 30 2015, 02:30 PM) *
What about sharing the tracks with me in wav format to let me see how everything sounds before mixing it and give some more precise suggestions?


Thanks for offering to help me with this. I posted the files here. Its 13 different tracks they are all in wav format. you can imprt them on you daw.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o4hosyb2davapuu/Batmans%20call%20song.zip?dl=0

track 1= strings
track 2= strings
track 3= drums
track 4= Special FX
track 5= choir(voices)
track 6= harp
track 7= wind instruments
track 8= drums
track 9= guitar pan left 100%
track 10= guitar pan right 100%
track 11= guitar pan left 70%
track 12= guitar pan right 70%
track 13= guitar shugging * string pan 0




Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 3 2015, 06:15 PM

Cool! Downloading. smile.gif


Any new ideas guys or should we go for a new pic?

Posted by: Phil66 Aug 3 2015, 07:39 PM

New pic please smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 4 2015, 01:41 PM

New picture! From Birdman movie.


Posted by: fzalfa Aug 4 2015, 01:42 PM

woaw......

what to do what to do..... is he in danger ?


edit:

hey dude i have something for you !

https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/birdman-3

Laurent

Posted by: Ricky9 Aug 4 2015, 03:27 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 4 2015, 08:41 AM) *
New picture! From Birdman movie.




LOL, This is going to be interesting.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 5 2015, 02:03 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Aug 4 2015, 09:42 AM) *
woaw......

what to do what to do..... is he in danger ?


edit:

hey dude i have something for you !

https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/birdman-3

Laurent



Hi Laurent, thanks for your recording. I like the feel of your composition. It keeps that mix of feeling that generates the picture, and even more if you know the story behind it.

Have you seen the movie?


Posted by: fzalfa Aug 5 2015, 02:34 PM

Hi Gabriel
No, i don't have seen this movie. No for now.
I only read the synopsis.

Laurent

Posted by: Ricky9 Aug 6 2015, 06:54 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Aug 4 2015, 08:42 AM) *
woaw......

what to do what to do..... is he in danger ?


edit:

hey dude i have something for you !

https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/birdman-3

Laurent


Nice take Laurent, love the melody and the mysterious sound to it.

Here is my take.


Posted by: fzalfa Aug 6 2015, 07:21 PM

very nice ricky !!

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 6 2015, 08:11 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Aug 6 2015, 02:54 PM) *
Nice take Laurent, love the melody and the mysterious sound to it.

Here is my take.




Hi Ricky! Cool one! I like the vibe of this composition. The feeling here is similar to the one generated on Laurent's tune. It seems that you both get a similar vibe from this image. This one is more focused on lead guitar which is also cool, maybe less "soundtrack" style but more like a solo guitar album... great work!

Also, the overall sound/mix on this one is better. smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Aug 6 2015, 09:28 PM

I don't know the film but from the picture he doesn't look like he is going to be attacked, more like the birdman thing is like a monkey on his back or an albatross around his neck, so I came up with a little single track piece that kind of sounds like he has something troubling him. I didn't want to make it too dark though.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/birdman


Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 7 2015, 01:59 PM

Great idea Phil! Your guitar effect fits great with the situation as well as the melodies created. I have seen the movie, (I strongly recommend it) and I can say that your idea could be included on its soundtrack.

The great thing is that this picture has maken you experiment with sound, and has been an inspiration to create fresh music. It's a very interesting experiment.

Posted by: Phil66 Aug 7 2015, 07:59 PM

Files without the noise Gab wink.gif

[attachment=42637:Spring_L..._backing.wav]

[attachment=42636:Spring_L...tar_only.wav]

Cheers

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 8 2015, 09:46 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Aug 7 2015, 03:59 PM) *
Files without the noise Gab wink.gif

[attachment=42637:Spring_L..._backing.wav]

[attachment=42636:Spring_L...tar_only.wav]

Cheers



Is this on the right thread Phil? ohmy.gif


Posted by: Ricky9 Aug 10 2015, 03:54 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Aug 6 2015, 02:21 PM) *
very nice ricky !!

Laurent



QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 6 2015, 03:11 PM) *
Hi Ricky! Cool one! I like the vibe of this composition. The feeling here is similar to the one generated on Laurent's tune. It seems that you both get a similar vibe from this image. This one is more focused on lead guitar which is also cool, maybe less "soundtrack" style but more like a solo guitar album... great work!

Also, the overall sound/mix on this one is better. smile.gif



Thank you guys!!! Glad you like it biggrin.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 11 2015, 05:28 AM

Ok guys!! Here we go with a new picture, this time the topic is: Shamans.


Posted by: fzalfa Aug 11 2015, 06:55 AM

HOOOOOOOooooooo

time to experiment some....... experimentations, hey !! i listen something !!

Laurent

Posted by: Phil66 Aug 11 2015, 09:07 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 8 2015, 09:46 PM) *
Is this on the right thread Phil? ohmy.gif


Ooooops sorry Gab, I'll change it later today.

Cheers

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 11 2015, 02:13 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Aug 11 2015, 02:55 AM) *
HOOOOOOOooooooo

time to experiment some....... experimentations, hey !! i listen something !!

Laurent



Cool! smile.gif Shaman stories are always inspiring...

Posted by: Ricky9 Aug 11 2015, 03:45 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 11 2015, 12:28 AM) *
Ok guys!! Here we go with a new picture, this time the topic is: Shamans.




Very nice!!!! Lets see what we can do with this.

Posted by: fzalfa Aug 11 2015, 07:15 PM

hey baby !! be pretty ,don't change your hand, it's coming !!

edit:

it's done in 3 hours, not without difficulty, i play differents track between play with my son, hard to kept an ideas flow.

everything is not perfect..... the solo is maybe not at the right sync , if notice something, tell me.

this is track

https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/shaman-bass-2-guit-fx-lead

maybe i'll rework the end solo....

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 12 2015, 02:12 PM

Hey Laurent! This is a very interesting composition. It's a good idea to use tremolo as an expressing tool, it gives this a suspense feel. I also enjoyed the solo at the end.

The next step would be to polish your playing on this one. The main problem is timing. When using rhythmic effects (like delay and tremolo), you have to be very careful with the timing of what you are playing, if you don't go even with the beat, the effect won't go tight with the backing. This happens in many sections of this one.

The solo also has timing issues, and be careful with the bend.

If you polish timing, and adjust a bit the mix, this tune is appropriated to be published. Maybe with a youtube video, to start showing your music to the world. smile.gif

Posted by: fzalfa Aug 12 2015, 02:19 PM

thankx for listening

first of all, i must record the bass with a real bass, now it was done with a guitar and somes FX.

i keep this idea to do something more achieved one day, in a near future wink.gif

Laurent

Posted by: Ricky9 Aug 14 2015, 04:43 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Aug 11 2015, 02:15 PM) *
hey baby !! be pretty ,don't change your hand, it's coming !!

edit:

it's done in 3 hours, not without difficulty, i play differents track between play with my son, hard to kept an ideas flow.

everything is not perfect..... the solo is maybe not at the right sync , if notice something, tell me.

this is track

https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/shaman-bass-2-guit-fx-lead

maybe i'll rework the end solo....

Laurent


Love the effects and sound of you backing track, very cool!!!!


Here is my take guys.

Posted by: fzalfa Aug 15 2015, 12:22 AM

wow !!

pretty nice

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 15 2015, 06:25 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Aug 14 2015, 12:43 PM) *
Love the effects and sound of you backing track, very cool!!!!


Here is my take guys.



Cool one Ricky!! I love what happens in the background. The backing track creates a very interesting atmosphere that works as a very good background for your solo. This is top level as always! Thanks for your input friend.


Posted by: Ricky9 Aug 17 2015, 05:34 AM

Thank you guys!!! Glad you like it. I have a concern thou. What happen to the other guys that used to participate on this exercises? . Have you tried to contact them?. It seems like its just me and Laurent participating. It feels lonely here.

Posted by: fzalfa Aug 17 2015, 06:09 AM

maybe the holiday for a lot of us

Laurent

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Aug 17 2015, 07:16 PM

The latest few pictures haven't spoken much to me, and I've been doing a few other things beside playing guitar, so I've not been participating much in this. I'll be back at it soon enough though!

Posted by: Phil66 Aug 17 2015, 09:14 PM

Ok, worked late tonight so not much time, first attempt at this one. Again I went for atmosphere rolleyes.gif My idea was to try to create a vocal type sound but I have very limited effects at the moment. I wanted to try and get the atmosphere of a shaman chanting an incantation. I only spent 30 minutes on this but I've put it here for more ideas smile.gif

Cheers

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/shaman


FX From http://www.freesfx.co.uk/

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 18 2015, 02:45 PM

Hi Phil! Good job!

Everything sounds harmonic and tasty. The overall atmosphere created here connects really well with the scene of the picture. The only thing that I didn't enjoy to much is the lead melody sound, I think that is some kind of keyboard or maybe a xylophone. I like the notes choices but I would go for a more synth sound. But it's just a subjective opinion. wink.gif

Keep on the creativity flowing.

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Aug 17 2015, 03:16 PM) *
The latest few pictures haven't spoken much to me, and I've been doing a few other things beside playing guitar, so I've not been participating much in this. I'll be back at it soon enough though!



Interesting to know this mate. I have an idea. I'd like to invite you to be the one that shares the next picture of this workout. What do you think? Is it possible? smile.gif

Posted by: Ricky9 Aug 19 2015, 06:25 AM

Glad to see you guys back in here. I was getting worried. So good to have you guys back.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 19 2015, 01:53 PM

QUOTE (Ricky9 @ Aug 19 2015, 02:25 AM) *
Glad to see you guys back in here. I was getting worried. So good to have you guys back.


yeah! let's see if Cael accepts the challenge. smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 21 2015, 03:28 PM

Ok guys! As we don't have news from Cael, I'll go with the new picture! Here we go:

Freak Show!!


Posted by: fzalfa Aug 21 2015, 04:48 PM

wow , complex

Laurent

Posted by: Phil66 Aug 21 2015, 08:50 PM

Wow, where did you find this????????

I feel that the person in the clown costume isn't actual happy within the desolation of the background. I feel that there is a sinister force at work here. This person, in my mind, is being forced to look happy to distract the viewer from the surrounding area in order to entice people to enter the area and become trapped within.

My other thought is that this could represent the smiles of someone who is suffering from depression, the brave face they put on to hide their pain from their loved ones while their mind is in torment which is represented by the background.

Many many ideas, hopefully I can get them to my fingers.

Nice one Gab. smile.gif

Posted by: fzalfa Aug 21 2015, 09:46 PM

for me it' a trap, like a spider's one

the clown is smiling with a forced smile, noit the real reflect of joy and happyness, but with the hope to catch you to eat you or worst

what a pretty clown can do in this desolation pictures ? hi is hunting !

idea are arriving, i'll take some time to try so give you a polished track !!

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 22 2015, 07:52 PM

My opinion on these kind of pictures changed the day I've seen the movie "IT". From that day, I've never trusted in clowns... laugh.gif

I took this picture from the tv show "American Horror Stories", so your suspicions about the clown are totally right... that smile is fake. sad.gif

Looking forward your music guys.

Posted by: fzalfa Aug 22 2015, 07:56 PM

count on me matte !

Laurent

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 22 2015, 07:59 PM

QUOTE (fzalfa @ Aug 22 2015, 03:56 PM) *
count on me matte !

Laurent



Great! wink.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Aug 22 2015, 09:10 PM

Struggling with this one. Came up with a rhythm type track but couldn't think of any melody.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/freak-show-cm-120bpm

Any ideas to build on this???

Cheers

Posted by: Ricky9 Aug 23 2015, 04:02 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 21 2015, 10:28 AM) *
Ok guys! As we don't have news from Cael, I'll go with the new picture! Here we go:

Freak Show!!




Interesting lets see what to come up with.

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Aug 22 2015, 04:10 PM) *
Struggling with this one. Came up with a rhythm type track but couldn't think of any melody.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/freak-show-cm-120bpm

Any ideas to build on this???

Cheers


Love the effect and sounds you chose for this. I believe is very promising.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 23 2015, 07:35 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Aug 22 2015, 05:10 PM) *
Struggling with this one. Came up with a rhythm type track but couldn't think of any melody.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/freak-show-cm-120bpm

Any ideas to build on this???

Cheers



Great stuff Phil! This tune is very interesting and connects great with the picture. It's awesome how creative the tone and overall sound that you've achieved on this recording. You've used sound and effects as an expressing tool on this one which is something very used on soundtracks but that I find even more interesting when it's used on music in general.

Congrats on your great work!


Posted by: Phil66 Aug 23 2015, 08:07 PM

Thanks Gab, I appreciate your kind comment smile.gif

I wanted to make it eerie but musical at the same time, I just wish I could have come up with some kind of melodic line unsure.gif

For the record, I recorded both tracks independently, I didn't record dry and re-amp each track, to my ears the timing sound pretty close to each other but maybe you can hear something out somewhere wink.gif

Cheers

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 24 2015, 01:36 PM

Hi Phil, I don't hear problems on this track, it's really cool. You should continue experimenting on this direction. smile.gif

Posted by: Chris S. Aug 25 2015, 06:33 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 21 2015, 02:28 PM) *
Ok guys! As we don't have news from Cael, I'll go with the new picture! Here we go:

Freak Show!!


Reminded me of Stephen King's It - so I went for a guitar/sound effect mashup and came up with this pretty quick:

https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/we-all-float-down-there

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 25 2015, 07:41 PM

Hi Chris, nice job! This is a very creative production that combines original music with some audio from movie. The voices makes this sound even more real and makes your tune sound like a soundtrack. I like the clean intro, and also the second section which becomes more dramatic and aggressive.

Very interesting mate. I'm glad to see you training your creative side here. Keep on the great job!

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