Tim Henson Vs A Tim Clone
Todd Simpson
Sep 26 2020, 08:51 PM
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Time Henson of POLYPHIA has been the subject of many threads of late due to his work popularizing the "Neo Jazz" style that he plays. He is the guru of this popular style at the moment and now we are seeing other players coming along and adopting this style of play. Some are really quite good. Here is is with one of his heirs apparent. I've noticed a wad of vids on youtube with people attempting this style. has it impacted your own style of play? I'd say KEN is probably the closest thing I've seen here on GMC.

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Sep 27 2020, 07:11 PM
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The thing that's cool and IMO innovative about Tim Henson is his integration of 'tapping' into the whole thing.
The chord changes and the super clean, dual pickup, single coil tone has been done in Soul, R&B and Funk since the mid 60s. Curtis Mayfield and Cornell Dupree are required listening if you want to know where all that comes from. After that, check out all the session guitarists on late 70s and 80s pop and soul, especially US west coast records. The only real difference is how up front it is with the current neo-soul guys. I think that the 'tone' thing is a result of current technology - amp sims, modeling, etc. The actual playing, other than the tapping element, isn't new at all.
Todd, you mention me. Yeah, I can play like that a bit but it has nothing to do with listening to modern neo-soul guitar. I've been playing like that since the early 80s. Honestly, it's all way too frenetic for me. A little goes a long way. Basically, one minute via Instagram and I've had enough.

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QUOTE (klasaine @ Sep 27 2020, 03:11 PM) *
The thing that's cool and IMO innovative about Tim Henson is his integration of 'tapping' into the whole thing.
The chord changes and the super clean, dual pickup, single coil tone has been done in Soul, R&B and Funk since the mid 60s. Curtis Mayfield and Cornell Dupree are required listening if you want to know where all that comes from. After that, check out all the session guitarists on late 70s and 80s pop and soul, especially US west coast records. The only real difference is how up front it is with the current neo-soul guys. I think that the 'tone' thing is a result of current technology - amp sims, modeling, etc. The actual playing, other than the tapping element, isn't new at all.
Todd, you mention me. Yeah, I can play like that a bit but it has nothing to do with listening to modern neo-soul guitar. I've been playing like that since the early 80s. Honestly, it's all way too frenetic for me. A little goes a long way. Basically, one minute via Instagram and I've had enough.



GREAT post mate! Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge in this style. I'll definitely get into those names that you listed here. I enjoy Tim's playing a lot. There is a bit Trap influence in his playing/composing skills which makes it sound more modern.

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Sep 27 2020, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 27 2020, 11:38 AM) *
GREAT post mate! Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge in this style. I'll definitely get into those names that you listed here. I enjoy Tim's playing a lot. There is a bit Trap influence in his playing/composing skills which makes it sound more modern.


Oh yeah, all the neosoul players have a lot of modern hiphop and trap rhythmic style in their playing. They also sound to be equally influenced by video game sound track music. It's a modern version, that's way more 'up front' and featured as opposed to more of the background and supportive thing it was in the past.

Besides Curtis Mayfield and Cornell Dupree check out these session guys, many of whom played in famous bands.

Tony Maiden - Rufus
Al McKay - Earth wind and Fire
David Williams - Michael Jackson
Paul Jackson Jr. - everybody
Ray Parker Jr. - everybody
Roger Troutman - Zapp

Also, the English in the 90s, mostly in Manchester had/have a great soul thing going on (Northern Soul) via bands like the Brand New Heavies and Incognito, etc.

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QUOTE (klasaine @ Sep 27 2020, 08:11 PM) *
Basically, one minute via Instagram and I've had enough.


Yes this is an intense style intended for short viral videos, rather than a full album listening experience.

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Todd Simpson
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Many thanks for the info and shout outs to some truly great players. TIM HENSON took jazz/soul guitar and threw in a bit of Eddie VanHalen"ish" (and beyond) tapping, mixed with some brisk pacing and BAM instagram loves him to death smile.gif HIs band is quite good imho, but it does wear out my ears after a few songs. It's very intense and though I like POLYPHIA, one or two songs is enough for me in a given listening.

QUOTE (klasaine @ Sep 27 2020, 03:42 PM) *
Oh yeah, all the neosoul players have a lot of modern hiphop and trap rhythmic style in their playing. They also sound to be equally influenced by video game sound track music. It's a modern version, that's way more 'up front' and featured as opposed to more of the background and supportive thing it was in the past.

Besides Curtis Mayfield and Cornell Dupree check out these session guys, many of whom played in famous bands.

Tony Maiden - Rufus
Al McKay - Earth wind and Fire
David Williams - Michael Jackson
Paul Jackson Jr. - everybody
Ray Parker Jr. - everybody
Roger Troutman - Zapp

Also, the English in the 90s, mostly in Manchester had/have a great soul thing going on (Northern Soul) via bands like the Brand New Heavies and Incognito, etc.

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Gabriel Leopardi
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Sep 27 2020, 04:42 PM) *
Oh yeah, all the neosoul players have a lot of modern hiphop and trap rhythmic style in their playing. They also sound to be equally influenced by video game sound track music. It's a modern version, that's way more 'up front' and featured as opposed to more of the background and supportive thing it was in the past.

Besides Curtis Mayfield and Cornell Dupree check out these session guys, many of whom played in famous bands.

Tony Maiden - Rufus
Al McKay - Earth wind and Fire
David Williams - Michael Jackson
Paul Jackson Jr. - everybody
Ray Parker Jr. - everybody
Roger Troutman - Zapp

Also, the English in the 90s, mostly in Manchester had/have a great soul thing going on (Northern Soul) via bands like the Brand New Heavies and Incognito, etc.



Cool! Thanks that list! I'll add them to my Spotify playlist. I only know Paul Jackson Jr from that list.

Cool vid about this... laugh.gif



It's also funny to see that Asato commented it:


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LOL! After watching this and revealing all the secret, I believe I'm authorized to upload a video of how to play like the cool UK cats in 7 steps! (spoiler step 1: learn all Guthrie Govan's LICKS?!).


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