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Feb 22 2015, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 22 2015, 01:54 PM)  You have some interesting points here Gene , thanks man. I think this is something I am just going to have to bag for now until after I have done quite a bit more experimenting with and also shake off some rust from not really getting enough practice and playing time in lately. The latter being something I should probably be more focused on currently. It was worth a shot though.  Hey man here is a clip of a doubled part that is one tick away from each other. The audio is two tracks, one copied and then nudged off by one tick. Each track is panned differently. The left is a little more center but still a little left and the right track is more past center but not full right. https://soundcloud.com/division-bridge/burn-grooves-first-ideas-1 Something that I found is that if you pan too much you will swallow a huge chunk of space and as it will sound spacey and ambient it may not cut through a metal track or something very angry. Even moving them slightly off center has a big impact in its character. Placing the tracks too far away will sound very jumbled and strange. Experiment Dear Watson! This post has been edited by Jim S.: Feb 22 2015, 09:53 PM |
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Feb 23 2015, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Feb 22 2015, 12:47 PM) I was referring to the one at 13 seconds which starts the same way as 00:23. The fact that they start the same way is good and it gives continuity to the solo. But I would add some rhythmical twist to the long descending run starting at 00:23, to make it more unpredictable. This is a matter of taste though, and many improvised solos by fusion greats will be structured similarly to your take. Also bare in mind that when you add two takes together it will sound different compared to the tone you dialed in for one guitar - this is why a good metal sound often has much less distortion than people think - because when you add layers, distortion adds up in an unpredictable way. This is normal behavior. Typically people will record their audio as close to 0 dB as possible (though this is not really needed if your audio interface supports 24 bit). The audio of your two takes + the backing (which peaks almost at 0 dB) adds up and you will get a super hot signal on the master bus. What I do in this situation is not to lower the master bus, but instead select all the different channels in your mixer and lower them all at once. Remember that raising levels at the end of the production is easily done with a limiter (and its not even needed for collab purposes, I can simply raise the volume of my speakers instead when listening to your take). Ah ok I see what you mean now. Thanks for the clarification. I'll tinker around with it a bit and see what I can come up with for that part. Maybe some different phrasing is in order here. And maybe the tone won't be too bad if I only do one track. I will be playing around with it just the same though. Thanks for the heads up about the clipping issue. I did some searching on the site last night and found a great post on recording by our sound guru Tony Miro where he touched on this. I was thinking maybe I had inadvertently changed a setting somehow but it looks like all is well with my DAW and I just need to adjust some levels a bit like you are saying. Here is a link to his post that has a bunch of good tips in case anyone else is interested. I believe point (d) addresses my issue. https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&p=604494 I think the main thing I need to worry about at this point is just to tighten up the chops the best I can with maybe a tweak in phrasing here and there and maybe tone tweak as well. Thanks Kris! you have been a big help man! |
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Feb 23 2015, 01:03 AM
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QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 22 2015, 12:47 PM) Hey man here is a clip of a doubled part that is one tick away from each other. The audio is two tracks, one copied and then nudged off by one tick. Each track is panned differently. The left is a little more center but still a little left and the right track is more past center but not full right. https://soundcloud.com/division-bridge/burn-grooves-first-ideas-1 Something that I found is that if you pan too much you will swallow a huge chunk of space and as it will sound spacey and ambient it may not cut through a metal track or something very angry. Even moving them slightly off center has a big impact in its character. Placing the tracks too far away will sound very jumbled and strange. Experiment Dear Watson! Hey Jim thanks man, that' a pretty cool riff/idea you have there. If you hadn't told me it was doubled I don't think I would have known. I know what you mean about how things can be made to sound very ambient when you get carried away with the panning. Most of the time when I have tried mixing tracks it has been when I have added a harmony to a lead line I had previously played. When I have done this in the past I have panned one track left and one right, both about the same , maybe somewhere from 20 to 25 percent. I think maybe that was even a bit much I don't know. When I have cloned a track into another channel it really didn't seem to make much difference to me unless I moved one of them in the timeline slightly.Your results seem to be much more subtle than mine were. I guess I probably moved it too much. I really like the effect you can get from doing this kind of thing so I will be experimenting more for sure. Thanks man! Here is another collab that I took part in a while back where I experimented with some layers and harmonies on 2 seperately recorded takes. Some of the guys in this collab will remember this one. Some of the other guys got much better results I think with mixing their lead harmonies. |
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Feb 25 2015, 12:27 AM
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Ok , I made a few changes in the ideas for my take here, especially the end of it. It still needs work for sure , especially the last tapping run.
I need to get it smoother by nailing the hammerons from nowhere while shifting strings but I wanted to get some feedback on the idea before I went much further. Thanks! https://soundcloud.com/richatthelake66/funkit-collab-2 |
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Feb 25 2015, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 25 2015, 12:27 AM) Ok , I made a few changes in the ideas for my take here, especially the end of it. It still needs work for sure , especially the last tapping run. I need to get it smoother by nailing the hammerons from nowhere while shifting strings but I wanted to get some feedback on the idea before I went much further. Thanks! https://soundcloud.com/richatthelake66/funkit-collab-2 haha that new ending is amazing - extremly cool and 'out' sounding!  It does not sound like you are very far from nailing that section. Sound is now better as well.Go go go! |
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Feb 26 2015, 08:57 PM
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https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/funk-it-1million-1
Alright I just let it fly a bit and tried to get a little percussive with it and remain a live improvish quality. QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 24 2015, 06:27 PM) Ok , I made a few changes in the ideas for my take here, especially the end of it. It still needs work for sure , especially the last tapping run. I need to get it smoother by nailing the hammerons from nowhere while shifting strings but I wanted to get some feedback on the idea before I went much further. Thanks! https://soundcloud.com/richatthelake66/funkit-collab-2 This my friend is a great take! Nice Job |
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Feb 27 2015, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 26 2015, 08:57 PM) https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/funk-it-1million-1 Alright I just let it fly a bit and tried to get a little percussive with it and remain a live improvish quality. Thanks Jim, the 'live' approach is a good one which can really lift a stiff take. However in this case, your previous take (the one with video) was superior. In order to go for the jam approach, you need to step down a level and only go for licks you are completely comfortable with. But the weird thing is - it can actually sound better and more "pro" than when you try to play a constructed solo where you play stuff bordering your level. And when you think about it - its pretty logic. Perhaps you want to jam a bit over the backing track without including any fancy stuff at all, just go for some pentatonics or anything you are comfortable with. Record yourself, and then listen back to it and see if you can merge some of those jam ideas with your written solo to construct something that's both original (you already got that part covered) and smooth flowing (this is what you need to work on). |
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Feb 27 2015, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE (Jim S. @ Feb 26 2015, 11:57 AM) https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/funk-it-1million-1 Alright I just let it fly a bit and tried to get a little percussive with it and remain a live improvish quality. This my friend is a great take! Nice Job Thanks Jim! I really appreciate that. Thanks to Kris pushing me a bit I think I am going to end up with something decent here.I think that you could end up with a really great take if you can take all the best ideas that you have shown us ,( and there are many) and put them together. My favorite take by you is still the first one I commented on before . Athough there are very good ideas on all your takes, I am looking forward to hearing your best ideas put together on a final master take of glory!
This post has been edited by AK Rich: Feb 27 2015, 08:30 PM |
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Feb 28 2015, 04:53 AM
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Alright so I decided to ditch all the licks I was trying to play so well and began again. I also went back to my old school setup and ditched Amplitube for a min as a test result. Please tell me what you think about this tone compared to my old takes. I may just be racking by brain on this tune...... cant ....stop.... recording!!!!!!!
As for the licks I did try to let some notes ring a bit longer and kept an effort to control my vibrato. Anyways let me know if I'm on a better path. https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/funk-it-4 Btw GeneT95 thats awesome man. That's really cool that you were digging the video. I do believe that I can be spontaneously inspired to play certain things and sometimes they come out great. Reproducing them in a spirited way is tough for me. It just takes time I guess. Thanks that made my day! |
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