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Feb 23 2016, 07:22 PM |
I think the point, as long winded as that guy makes it in 3 friggin videos, is that it is a pretty vile practice to 'buy' an amp, profile it and then return it for a full refund. IMO - not cool. How prevalent that actually is - I don't know.
For me, the bottom line is that "this is a ridiculous argument to be having at this point". I'm not referring to analog v. digital or solid state. Both are great for different applications and different tastes. When we model or profile an amp we're obviously going for a specific sound. Usually that 'sound' is connected to a player. *If an amp turns on in the forest and there's no one there to play it, does it make a sound?* You're not that player. It won't sound the same. Maybe you 'think' it does - ? But it doesn't and you don't. To quote Mick Ronson (RIP), "Play don't worry". This post has been edited by klasaine: Feb 24 2016, 02:15 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Mar 13 2016, 04:04 AM |
Usually, if your ears are "Gold" enough, you can tell the diff between the real deal and a good model if it's by itself. Usually in a mix it's all but impossible to make any real distinction IMHO. It's going to be a long term shift as things like this don't seem to happen overnight And some folks may never accept it at all. Which is fine too
I have to agree, the video is sort of rambling and rant-ish, but sparks discussion nonetheless. In the end I decided $1500-$2000 was too much for a modeller right now and got a Bugera G5 Infinium and a few DIY pedal kits (Rat, Tubescreamer). Which, in the context of this debate, have the same issues as the Kemper. The Bugera is a modified clone of a Blackstar, which is probably a modified clone of... The DIY kits are clearly clones of popular pedals with additional mods. In researching these purchases, I was amazed to find how similar these amp and pedal designs are to each other. There are really only a handful of solutions to achieving the desired effect of distortion/overdrive, etc... In the end, all modern gear was built on the fundamentals established long ago. I did some A/B mic recordings of my Pod HD500X and my Vox Valvetronix and found I preferred the amp models of the Vox paired with the effects from the Pod. I'm going to make some more recording samples for comparison with the analog drive pedals and tube amp to see what the best setup is for sound quality and convenience for me. I'm really interested to compare the in-the-room sound of a analog pedal vs a few different digital models of the same thing. Digital vs analog is some kind of holy war, but I'm very excited to let my own ears decide. |
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Mar 13 2016, 05:08 AM |
Usually, if your ears are "Gold" enough, you can tell the diff between the real deal and a good model if it's by itself. Usually in a mix it's all but impossible to make any real distinction IMHO. It's going to be a long term shift as things like this don't seem to happen overnight And some folks may never accept it at all. Which is fine too Well, the Bugera was returned the day after I received it. I couldn't tell any discernible difference between it and the Vox combo amp's modeling. I finished building my Rat clone (pic below) It's a bit rough on the finishing, but I learned a lot. The Tubescreamer is in progress now and I expect it will look a lot nicer, inside and out. In the end, it's the sound that counts and I'm really happy with that. I'm totally hooked and have some parts coming to start designing my own circuits and build a killer fuzz as a gift for my brother-in-law. That said, here are my A/B Rat recordings. One is the Pod HD500X and the other is my analog clone pedal, both are using the same reamped DI track and using the same Pod JT45 amp/cab model. I didn't aim for a "good" sound necessarily but just tried to get them sounding as similar as possible. I could definitely dial them in to sound different, and prefer my pedal (maybe because I made it?), but it's really close to my ears. Between the pedal and amp comparison, it really shows me how much commentary is out there about very small differences. I think I'll just get back to making my music and other projects for the time being. I really had to hear it for myself though. Can you tell which is the Pod HD500X and which is the RAT pedal? A.wav ( 5.87MB ) Number of downloads: 65 B.wav ( 5.87MB ) Number of downloads: 94 Spoiler: -------------------- |
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Mar 14 2016, 12:30 AM |
See what I'm sayin I have had similar experiences. If Isolate a bit of kit, I can hear a subtle difference between the real thing and a good copy. But in a mix, it's pretty much impossible. The good news is, this makes it a LOT easier for folks doing their thing at home to use software and kempers/etc. to get killer tones without having to go broke buying 4 marshall stacks and 10k worth of microphones to record them with.
I dig your tones! Congrats on your DIY pedal construction as well! Todd Well, the Bugera was returned the day after I received it. I couldn't tell any discernible difference between it and the Vox combo amp's modeling. I finished building my Rat clone (pic below) It's a bit rough on the finishing, but I learned a lot. The Tubescreamer is in progress now and I expect it will look a lot nicer, inside and out. In the end, it's the sound that counts and I'm really happy with that. I'm totally hooked and have some parts coming to start designing my own circuits and build a killer fuzz as a gift for my brother-in-law. That said, here are my A/B Rat recordings. One is the Pod HD500X and the other is my analog clone pedal, both are using the same reamped DI track and using the same Pod JT45 amp/cab model. I didn't aim for a "good" sound necessarily but just tried to get them sounding as similar as possible. I could definitely dial them in to sound different, and prefer my pedal (maybe because I made it?), but it's really close to my ears. Between the pedal and amp comparison, it really shows me how much commentary is out there about very small differences. I think I'll just get back to making my music and other projects for the time being. I really had to hear it for myself though. Can you tell which is the Pod HD500X and which is the RAT pedal? A.wav ( 5.87MB ) Number of downloads: 65 B.wav ( 5.87MB ) Number of downloads: 94 Spoiler: |
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