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Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 28 2018, 04:23 PM

Hi friends!! LWho wants to Jam with me??

I've decided to open a new thread with an easier backing so everybody can join!! It's time for blues!!!

The backing was taken from '30 Beginner Blues Licks' lesson so you can get lots of ideas from there. (https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/30-Beginner-Blues-Licks/)


The idea is simple. Record yourself doing a quick/spontaneous jam over this backing track. Share the video, only guitar audio and audio mix. I'll record a Jams inspired by each participant take.

Then I'll share a final video with this structure: Gab Intro - Participant 1 - Gab Jam - Participant 2 - Gab Jam - Participant 3 - Gab Jam and so...

Your take should be as long as the backing that I'm sharing here. (20 seconds)


Backing track:  Blues_Backing_Gab_Jam.mp3 ( 1.53MB ) : 295



KEY: E BLUES

CHORDS:
| E7 | A7 | E7 | E7 |
| A7 | A7 | E7 | E7 |
| B7 | A7 | E7 | B7 |

TIME: 12/8


http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator


Who is in?

Posted by: Todd Simpson Sep 28 2018, 06:40 PM

Who could say no!! I'm in smile.gif
Todd

Posted by: Phil66 Sep 28 2018, 08:26 PM

100% in but it won't be until around October 8th as I'm on holiday from tomorrow, if that's not ok, just go ahead without me, I'll jam along to the track anyway when I get back.

Cheers smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 29 2018, 06:13 PM

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Sep 28 2018, 02:40 PM) *
Who could say no!! I'm in smile.gif
Todd



Great!! Welcome master!!

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Sep 28 2018, 04:26 PM) *
100% in but it won't be until around October 8th as I'm on holiday from tomorrow, if that's not ok, just go ahead without me, I'll jam along to the track anyway when I get back.

Cheers smile.gif



Cool! Great to have you in this one Phil!!

Posted by: yoncopin Oct 1 2018, 02:14 AM

I'm working on something for this too. I tried the last backing and just couldn't find inspiration. I liked trying to break from the blues, but just couldn't find my footing.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 1 2018, 04:36 PM

QUOTE (yoncopin @ Sep 30 2018, 10:14 PM) *
I'm working on something for this too. I tried the last backing and just couldn't find inspiration. I liked trying to break from the blues, but just couldn't find my footing.



Yeah! I've noticed that this happened to some students and that's why I've started this new one! Great to know that you'll share your take!!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 3 2018, 03:08 PM

Hey guys!!

Don't forget this one!! smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 7 2018, 08:12 PM

I know this is supposed to be a quick spontaneous video take over these "Jammin with Gab" things but I've been away and only just got in my house. There hasn't been much action in this thread so I got sat down and did a single audio take, here it is, mistakes and all, there's a big stumble at 00:32. I hope it gets some activity going.

I'll do a video this week, it will be similar to this. I'll make it as spontaneous as I can after already doing one take wink.gif

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/jammin-with-gab-iii-blues-e-take-1

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 8 2018, 02:58 PM

Hi Phil, nice to find this take here!! smile.gif

I've already said that you are a great improviser and that this recordings show your awesome progress and how your work at GMC is having a big impact in your overal guitar playing.

This blues solo has a very interesting phrasing work. The call and response concept can be clearly noted here and it evolves naturally. I also like your tone, it's clean, warm and it fits perfect with the backing track's sound.

Congrats and thank for joining!

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 8 2018, 08:50 PM

Thanks Gab, that was just a super quick take to try and get the ball rolling. I got home late from work today so didn't get chance to do a video but I will very very soon.

Cheers buddy.

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 9 2018, 09:11 PM

Ok, here is a take, I'm not super happy with the timing and as usual I flunk the ending (as you can see by my face rolleyes.gif ) but it's spontaneous and the is an element of REC button syndrome going on. I reckon with some practise I could get a better take if you want me to.

https://youtu.be/KOkZRO-YX_U






Cheers gab.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 10 2018, 02:42 PM

Hi Phil, good job mate!!

I've enjoyed your take, and watching your faces while playing those licks. You are really feeling it mate! I think that you should continue practicing Blues improvisations over this backing track, with the REC button On.

You can use this thread, or the mentoring one to share your different takes. My suggestion is to keep on recording and choose one element or concept to focus on each take.

These are some concepts that I would work:

- Dynamics
- Rhythm
- Vibrato
- Double stops (thirds / sixths)
- Scale choices
- Arpeggios
- Following the chords with thirds
- Bending
- Phrasing


What do you think?

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 10 2018, 03:52 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 10 2018, 02:42 PM) *
Hi Phil, good job mate!!

I've enjoyed your take, and watching your faces while playing those licks. You are really feeling it mate! I think that you should continue practicing Blues improvisations over this backing track, with the REC button On.

You can use this thread, or the mentoring one to share your different takes. My suggestion is to keep on recording and choose one element or concept to focus on each take.

These are some concepts that I would work:

- Dynamics
- Rhythm
- Vibrato
- Double stops (thirds / sixths)
- Scale choices
- Arpeggios
- Following the chords with thirds
- Bending
- Phrasing


What do you think?


Thanks Gab,

I didn't realise I was doing those ugly faces until I watched it back, it's a bit embarrassing laugh.gif For me it's much harder when it's only 20 seconds, with a longer track like the one below, I can get absorbed in to it, with a short piece, I'm just getting into 2nd gear and the end turnaround comes and disrupts my flow. I know we need to be able to do quick improvisations but you can hear the difference. I've put my favourite Em take from a few weeks ago below for reference.

Cheers buddy

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/em-jam-ii

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 10 2018, 04:01 PM

hehehe don't worry, I think that those are great guitar faces! It's not a bad idea to be trained to do a cool improvisation over a short backing. Imagine that you are playing at a live jam with many guitarists. You'll have to be able to give your best when it comes your time. smile.gif

Your playing over Em backing is amazing mate, very tasty.

Posted by: MisterM Oct 10 2018, 04:37 PM

Hi Gab, Phil

I'm in

Let me a few time, I have some ideas

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 10 2018, 08:56 PM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Oct 10 2018, 04:37 PM) *
Hi Gab, Phil

I'm in

Let me a few time, I have some ideas


Great I need some inspiration for this one wink.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 11 2018, 01:39 PM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Oct 10 2018, 12:37 PM) *
Hi Gab, Phil

I'm in

Let me a few time, I have some ideas



Great news mate!! smile.gif

Posted by: MisterM Oct 11 2018, 06:18 PM

The line is built, let me a few days to work on it.
My take this week end

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 12 2018, 03:33 PM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Oct 11 2018, 02:18 PM) *
The line is built, let me a few days to work on it.
My take this week end



Great news mate!! Can't wait to hear your take. smile.gif

Posted by: MisterM Oct 13 2018, 11:17 AM

Hi Gab, Phil

Here my Line
I shall to work to improve it
Video take soon

https://soundcloud.com/guitare-capture/work-on-line-gabs-collab-blues

Posted by: MisterM Oct 13 2018, 02:54 PM

I hope that you will love tongue.gif




Complet Track : https://ahp.li/588c0e511900981902e6.wav

Guitar Track : https://ahp.li/de4dcbbb2d50cf5e8522.wav

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 13 2018, 03:48 PM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Oct 13 2018, 07:17 AM) *
Hi Gab, Phil

Here my Line
I shall to work to improve it
Video take soon

https://soundcloud.com/guitare-capture/work-on-line-gabs-collab-blues



Hi mate!!! This is so inspiring!! I love your phrasing and tone here. Thanks a lot for joining this collab. smile.gif


QUOTE (MisterM @ Oct 13 2018, 10:54 AM) *
I hope that you will love tongue.gif




Complet Track : https://ahp.li/588c0e511900981902e6.wav

Guitar Track : https://ahp.li/de4dcbbb2d50cf5e8522.wav



Amazing!! Thanks a lot!!

Posted by: MisterM Oct 13 2018, 04:14 PM

If you give a response, Maybe we will try to get a new licks, me or Phil ?

Why Not

I will try to make a new take with more dynamic on the last licks
it doesn't sound as I'll want

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 13 2018, 09:08 PM

Hola Gab,

I'm completely out of ideas for this one at the moment so I did this. It's a total cheat really but I just felt like doing it cool.gif laugh.gif

If you think it can work for this workshop I can do a video but as I said it's a cheat really. wink.gif


https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/jammin-with-gab-iii-blues-e-denes

Posted by: MisterM Oct 14 2018, 07:28 AM

Hi Phil

Your take is good, good tone, good feeling


Posted by: Phil66 Oct 14 2018, 10:11 AM

Thanks buddy, which take do you mean? The video or the last soundcloud?

Your take is sweet, your tone is great too. I like the way you use a lot of the neck, something I struggle with at the moment.

Posted by: MisterM Oct 14 2018, 11:30 AM

Hi Phil

The Last soundcloud is good

If you want, You can try to answer has my line, we've got time wink.gif



Here my new take, same but I feel better



Complet Track : https://ahp.li/3d305100d2ab9c601bd2.wav

Guitar Track : https://ahp.li/a73551d45da6761d50d1.wav

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 14 2018, 04:07 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 13 2018, 05:08 PM) *
Hola Gab,

I'm completely out of ideas for this one at the moment so I did this. It's a total cheat really but I just felt like doing it cool.gif laugh.gif

If you think it can work for this workshop I can do a video but as I said it's a cheat really. wink.gif


https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/jammin-with-gab-iii-blues-e-denes



Hi Phil! It sounds good mate! It can work, but I have a question. How is your approach to soloing over this one? What scale are you using? Are you following chords?

QUOTE (MisterM @ Oct 14 2018, 07:30 AM) *
Hi Phil

The Last soundcloud is good

If you want, You can try to answer has my line, we've got time wink.gif



Here my new take, same but I feel better



Complet Track : https://ahp.li/3d305100d2ab9c601bd2.wav

Guitar Track : https://ahp.li/a73551d45da6761d50d1.wav



Another cool take MisterM! This sounds very good!!

I think that it can be interesting to see you interact. smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 14 2018, 06:32 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 14 2018, 04:07 PM) *
Hi Phil! It sounds good mate! It can work, but I have a question. How is your approach to soloing over this one? What scale are you using? Are you following chords?


Thanks Gab,
That is just that blues solo lesson I was sprog on but had to stop because the backing was wrong, do you remember it? It was in E minor but for this I've used E major pentatonic with root on low E string, 12th fret. That's why I said it was a cheat because it's just that solo in a different key.

In my video take I'm using the same scale, same position. I really struggle to follow chords, I have tried in the past but it seems to be a big jump in skill from where I am now. I couldn't find any lessons here or on YouTube that break you in gently to following chords so I always tend to stay in the one position that covers the key. Is that wrong? I only really know one scale shape, minor pentatonic, from low E string root, two notes per string 1, 4, 1, 3, 1, 3, 1, 3, 1, 4, 1, 4 and obviously the same shape but root on the pinky for major. I use the extended form on these two takes.

I guess I should really push myself with following chords but every time I've tried I've felt that it's a mountain too steep for me and a I said, I haven't found a gentle slope to start on. I've watched https://youtu.be/DXY3p23gZTI, https://youtu.be/o-QyFeNZXdE, https://youtu.be/itLSHk5jnTI, and a few others and all they did was confuse me.

I've tried what I guess is the most basic way and that is to keep the same pentatonic shape and move along the neck to where the root is on the 6th string, this gets messy for me and transitions in the solo from one chord to another are tricky.

I've also just noticed that it is in 12/8 could that be affecting how it feels to me?

I hope all this makes sense, just writing this information has given me anxiety unsure.gif . I'm hoping one day I get a light bulb moment, the penny drops and I can't understand why I couldn't understand it, fingers crossed.

Phil

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 14 2018, 08:14 PM

I've only posted this in case anyone read my previous post before I heavily edited it, please go back to the one immediately above this and re-read wink.gif

Posted by: MisterM Oct 15 2018, 09:54 AM

Hi Phil

I can explain you my method to build a melody.
I know the scales, but I don't think wich note I have to play

1 - I listen to the backtrack and I play a first short licks, (I try to think a melody in my head)
2 - When the firts licks is good I record it with "cubase"



3 - I create a new track
4 - I listen my first licks
5 - I try to create a 2d licks, a kind of answer



6 - I repete the operation as much as is needful



7 - When I have create a complet line, I try to improve some licks with target note

To finish, I learn my own lesson to restitute a good take in one shot

Important : All this can't buit in a one day. I need sometimes several days
For this one, I worked 1h/Day during 3 days


I hope that my english is good rolleyes.gif
I hope that it will give you a help

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 15 2018, 12:43 PM

Thank you for that MisterM, I appreciate you giving me your time, I will try that next time I try to build a solo smile.gif

The thing with these "jamming with Gab" series is to try to be spontanious as though you're at a jam session with friends and it's your turn to play. It's to develop your quick thinking playing.

It doesn't matter that you built a solo over time though, it's all good stuff and it's great to hear your takes for inspiration smile.gif

Thanks again for your time, I really appreciate your help smile.gif

Cheers

Phil

Posted by: MisterM Oct 15 2018, 03:52 PM

Your welcome Phil smile.gif

spontaneity calls for automatisms.
To get these automatisms you have to practice a lot in order to have a tool box of licks

Improvising without its tools is not an easy thing.
My improvizations are less beautiful than the one I build.

Over time we will be able, but we must not skip the steps.

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 15 2018, 04:19 PM

I know what you are saying, a constructed solo can be beautiful but it's a good skill to be able to improvise don't you think? Especially when playing with friends smile.gif

Posted by: MisterM Oct 15 2018, 04:29 PM

I agree with you
However, this requires so much work.

I like to improvise with friends
My problem is: The GMC lessons are so beautiful and sophisticated
I feel that my improvizations are bad if I compare.

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 15 2018, 04:38 PM

Yes, I know what you mean but I still think you should do an improvisation even if you don't share, just for your own development. Make sense? wink.gif

Posted by: MisterM Oct 15 2018, 04:59 PM

I try 1 time to week. smile.gif

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 15 2018, 05:37 PM

smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 16 2018, 02:18 AM

Hey guys! Great discussion here!

I really like MisterM approach and I think that it really works for this collab. I suggest going for a quick jam only to make possible that everybody can join, different levels, guys that have time or guys that are very busy but can give it one shot.

It's true that it requires hard work and practice to be able to improvise lines that sound as intersting as previously worked solos, but it's also something that can (should) be practiced.

On the other hand, I think that MisterM approach is a good way to compose a solo, incorporate new licks and become a better improviser. From what I could understand, he composes the different licks, but then he plays the licks, create variations and improvise other ideas. That's a killer way to build your own vocabulary on guitar, it can be even better than focusing only on "following the chords" exercises.

All these made me think that we could work on some lessons series on this topics. I always recommend Kris Jam School series because his approach to improvisation is very creative and inspiring. I'll work on something soon.


Posted by: MisterM Oct 16 2018, 09:02 AM

Hi gab,

An improvising lesson that asks for work on triads would be instructive.

The usual lessons usually show 2 scales. ex min pentatonic and MAJ pentatonc

However, no one really can play on the chords prgresssion with this scales.



Why not learn how to use triads on a simple chord progression as II V I ?

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 16 2018, 01:12 PM

This is where I really lack knowledge. I don't even understand what MisterM is saying. It's not a translation thing, I understand what he says just not what he means. I hope that makes sense MisterM wink.gif

Posted by: Madfish Oct 16 2018, 02:17 PM

Hi All,
Great takes everyone! Very tasty.

Would you find a spot for one more?


MisterM - You've got a really nice vibrato. That reminds me I should work really work on mine biggrin.gif

Cheers!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 16 2018, 02:24 PM

Hi Madfish!! I'm so happy of finding your take mate!! Your playing is very cool here as well as your tone.

There are many open spots for this one so please upload your files mate!

Thanks a lot for joining! This is going to be very cool. biggrin.gif

Posted by: MisterM Oct 16 2018, 02:57 PM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Oct 16 2018, 08:02 AM) *
Hi gab,

An improvising lesson that asks for work on triads would be instructive.

The usual lessons usually show 2 scales. ex min pentatonic and MAJ pentatonc

However, no one really can play on the chords prgresssion with this scales.

Why not learn how to use triads on a simple chord progression as II V I ?


QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 16 2018, 12:12 PM) *

This is where I really lack knowledge. I don't even understand what MisterM is saying. It's not a translation thing, I understand what he says just not what he means. I hope that makes sense MisterM wink.gif


Gab you didn't see this message ?

Phil you talk about II V I ? this is mistake for you ?
Is not a good exemple, the 12 Bar blues is I IV V

I know the theory about harmonization of scales.
I know the triads and tetrads but I'm unable to work this on the nec mad.gif .


QUOTE (Madfish @ Oct 16 2018, 01:17 PM) *
Hi All,
Great takes everyone! Very tasty.

Would you find a spot for one more?


MisterM - You've got a really nice vibrato. That reminds me I should work really work on mine biggrin.gif

Cheers!


Hi Madfish,

Your playing is smooth and the tone sound great.
However, I feel that you are not playing on the good scales.

Maybe my ears aren't used to this mod ?

Gab, what do you think about my comment ?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 16 2018, 03:35 PM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Oct 16 2018, 10:57 AM) *
Gab you didn't see this message ?


Hi mate, I've missed that one but now I got it. That's a good request. We are open for lesson requests so I'm saving this ideas. Feel free to send us request regularly.



QUOTE (MisterM @ Oct 16 2018, 10:57 AM) *
Hi Madfish,

Your playing is smooth and the tone sound great.
However, I feel that you are not playing on the good scales.

Maybe my ears aren't used to this mod ?

Gab, what do you think about my comment ?



I've followed his playing and there isn't any wrong note or scale there. Most of the times he targets chord tones, being thirds, sevenths and roots the most used. There are some moments in which he focuses one other intervals like 6th and there is a 4th that can make it sound less common but maybe that was the effect that he wanted.

The fact that he starts playing the 7ths of the first chord, makes this sound a bit less usual.

Regarding scales, he is combining Pentatonic minor with Mixolydian mode.

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 16 2018, 04:10 PM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Oct 16 2018, 02:57 PM) *
Gab you didn't see this message ?

Phil you talk about II V I ? this is mistake for you ?
Is not a good exemple, the 12 Bar blues is I IV V


I understand i, ii, iii, iv, v, vi, vii etc as being chords related to the notes of the scale, eg in C i, v, vii would be C, G, and B but I don't know how to work out if the chords would be major or minor etc. I also don't understand about playing triads and arpeggios over scales. It all seems very complicated to me sad.gif

Cheers

Posted by: Madfish Oct 16 2018, 04:48 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 16 2018, 03:35 PM) *
I've followed his playing and there isn't any wrong note or scale there. Most of the times he targets chord tones, being thirds, sevenths and roots the most used. There are some moments in which he focuses one other intervals like 6th and there is a 4th that can make it sound less common but maybe that was the effect that he wanted.

The fact that he starts playing the 7ths of the first chord, makes this sound a bit less usual.

Regarding scales, he is combining Pentatonic minor with Mixolydian mode.


I might have an ear for tension intervals smile.gif

Not sure if it's good or bad, but I mostly go by the ear. I wasn't really aware that I stopped on the forth until you mentioned it. I must have liked the sound of it.
The major sixth is there right before the faster legato part. I feel that building up some tension before speeding up works nicely.

Regarding modes, there is also a bit of Dorian with added blue note. Again, the legato lick. It sounds cool and the fingering is very comfortable to speed up a bit. Works for Slash so it must be good biggrin.gif

Posted by: MisterM Oct 16 2018, 05:18 PM

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 16 2018, 03:10 PM) *
I understand i, ii, iii, iv, v, vi, vii etc as being chords related to the notes of the scale, eg in C i, v, vii would be C, G, and B but I don't know how to work out if the chords would be major or minor etc. I also don't understand about playing triads and arpeggios over scales. It all seems very complicated to me sad.gif

Cheers



You can watch on Youtube the harmonization of Major scale,
it's very interesting and it's essential to understand triad theory.

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 16 2018, 02:35 PM) *
Hi mate, I've missed that one but now I got it. That's a good request. We are open for lesson requests so I'm saving this ideas. Feel free to send us request regularly.

I've followed his playing and there isn't any wrong note or scale there. Most of the times he targets chord tones, being thirds, sevenths and roots the most used. There are some moments in which he focuses one other intervals like 6th and there is a 4th that can make it sound less common but maybe that was the effect that he wanted.

The fact that he starts playing the 7ths of the first chord, makes this sound a bit less usual.

Regarding scales, he is combining Pentatonic minor with Mixolydian mode.


Ok I understand, Thank you

QUOTE (Madfish @ Oct 16 2018, 03:48 PM) *
I might have an ear for tension intervals smile.gif

Not sure if it's good or bad, but I mostly go by the ear. I wasn't really aware that I stopped on the forth until you mentioned it. I must have liked the sound of it.
The major sixth is there right before the faster legato part. I feel that building up some tension before speeding up works nicely.

Regarding modes, there is also a bit of Dorian with added blue note. Again, the legato lick. It sounds cool and the fingering is very comfortable to speed up a bit. Works for Slash so it must be good biggrin.gif


Okay as I said before, my ears are not used to these tensions without resolutions. tongue.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 17 2018, 03:12 PM

QUOTE (Madfish @ Oct 16 2018, 12:48 PM) *
I might have an ear for tension intervals smile.gif

Not sure if it's good or bad, but I mostly go by the ear. I wasn't really aware that I stopped on the forth until you mentioned it. I must have liked the sound of it.
The major sixth is there right before the faster legato part. I feel that building up some tension before speeding up works nicely.

Regarding modes, there is also a bit of Dorian with added blue note. Again, the legato lick. It sounds cool and the fingering is very comfortable to speed up a bit. Works for Slash so it must be good biggrin.gif



Yeah! I can hear that dorian blues in the faster passage. I usually view it as a Pentatonic minor with chromatic notes, but you are clearly adding that dorian characteristic note and blue note.


Posted by: MisterM Oct 27 2018, 06:24 PM

I think this collab is down sad.gif

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 28 2018, 02:27 AM

The collab is working smile.gif It's participation that seems to have taken a hit. I'm sure things will pick up again smile.gif

Todd

QUOTE (MisterM @ Oct 27 2018, 01:24 PM) *
I think this collab is down sad.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 29 2018, 03:49 PM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Oct 27 2018, 02:24 PM) *
I think this collab is down sad.gif



No mate! It's totally active! I'm just waiting for more takes!! Looking forward yours!

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 31 2018, 08:26 PM

It can be complicated for sure. But it can be very simple. BB KING was a great blues player and his main technique was a single note vibrato and knowing when not to play. He left gaps in the solo and only came in when worked best for him. He's a great example of using a minimalist technique to get a great result.

As for improv, IMHO it's the most important thing one can learn. Being able to summon ones talent at will is a crucial bit of skill. Like everything, it gets easier the more you do it. There are a lot of bad notes one has to play on the way to finding the good ones. It's critical not to be thrown off by the bad notes. they are just steps on the path. Nobody just instantly improvs. It takes time and repetition. Like everything else in guitar smile.gif Gabe's james are a great chance to work on improv.


QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 16 2018, 11:10 AM) *
I understand i, ii, iii, iv, v, vi, vii etc as being chords related to the notes of the scale, eg in C i, v, vii would be C, G, and B but I don't know how to work out if the chords would be major or minor etc. I also don't understand about playing triads and arpeggios over scales. It all seems very complicated to me sad.gif

Cheers

Posted by: Phil66 Oct 31 2018, 11:24 PM

I understand buddy but I think you can't break the rules unless you know the rules wink.gif

Posted by: Todd Simpson Nov 1 2018, 03:37 AM

You just won't be aware that your breaking them smile.gif But i hear ya! It's a good idea to know some theory. If you can get that scale chart memorized it will help a TON for improvising and Id say memorize the same full neck Blues scale chart. As you learn more and more theory, (you never reall stop learning theory), the shapes will take on new meaning. Hopefully by then you'll have at least the Minor/Major and Blues shapes for the entire neck memorized.

Todd

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 31 2018, 06:24 PM) *
I understand buddy but I think you can't break the rules unless you know the rules wink.gif

Posted by: Adam M Nov 5 2018, 02:40 PM

I'm in! I've been practicing pentatonic scales mostly trying to play blues, I feel comfortable enough for that.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 5 2018, 03:04 PM

QUOTE (Adam M @ Nov 5 2018, 10:40 AM) *
I'm in! I've been practicing pentatonic scales mostly trying to play blues, I feel comfortable enough for that.



Amazing news Adam!!! smile.gif

Posted by: Adam M Nov 5 2018, 04:51 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 5 2018, 02:04 PM) *
Amazing news Adam!!! smile.gif

Gotta work hard and improve. Maybe if I get good enough I'll get invited for next Jason Becker's collab smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 5 2018, 05:17 PM

QUOTE (Adam M @ Nov 5 2018, 12:51 PM) *
Gotta work hard and improve. Maybe if I get good enough I'll get invited for next Jason Becker's collab smile.gif



hehe why not?? smile.gif

Who's your favorite blues player?

Posted by: Adam M Nov 5 2018, 07:03 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 5 2018, 04:17 PM) *
hehe why not?? smile.gif

Who's your favorite blues player?


As for Polish, I like the band called Dżem. I pretty much practiced their stuff and "Stairway..." too smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 5 2018, 08:36 PM

QUOTE (Adam M @ Nov 5 2018, 03:03 PM) *
As for Polish, I like the band called Dżem. I pretty much practiced their stuff and "Stairway..." too smile.gif


I'll check them!

As an Argentinian I recommend you this legendary blues album:


Posted by: Adam M Nov 6 2018, 07:00 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 5 2018, 07:36 PM) *
I'll check them!

As an Argentinian I recommend you this legendary blues album:



Blues is no longer my thing but I really enjoyed listening to it! smile.gif I didn't understand much, though. Here's one of most popular Dżem songs:

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 7 2018, 02:42 PM

QUOTE (Adam M @ Nov 6 2018, 03:00 PM) *
Blues is no longer my thing but I really enjoyed listening to it! smile.gif I didn't understand much, though. Here's one of most popular Dżem songs:



It sounds really good! If you like rock, I recommend you to check this band. Once again, you won't understand any word.... laugh.gif


Posted by: Caelumamittendum Nov 7 2018, 07:33 PM

I hope I'm not too late to the party. Few mistakes here and there, but I hope it works:





Hmm, is it my ear or is there intonation issues in my take now that I listen to it again? I just put on new strings, so they might not have settled completely yet.

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Posted by: Todd Simpson Nov 8 2018, 03:10 AM

Cool stuff ben!! I'm gonna make time to do a take on this one!! I keep getting swamped with other things. By golly I"m gonna do a take on this is if hair lips the governor!!

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 7 2018, 02:33 PM) *
I hope I'm not too late to the party. Few mistakes here and there, but I hope it works:





Hmm, is it my ear or is there intonation issues in my take now that I listen to it again? I just put on new strings, so they might not have settled completely yet.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 9 2018, 03:19 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 7 2018, 03:33 PM) *
I hope I'm not too late to the party. Few mistakes here and there, but I hope it works:





Hmm, is it my ear or is there intonation issues in my take now that I listen to it again? I just put on new strings, so they might not have settled completely yet.



Killer playing Ben!!!! Great to have your take here!! Thanks a lot my friend. smile.gif

PS: Not dramatic tuning issues here. wink.gif

Posted by: bleez Dec 9 2018, 01:58 PM





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Posted by: MisterM Dec 9 2018, 02:33 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 7 2018, 07:33 PM) *
I hope I'm not too late to the party. Few mistakes here and there, but I hope it works:





Hmm, is it my ear or is there intonation issues in my take now that I listen to it again? I just put on new strings, so they might not have settled completely yet.


Hi

I am pleased to see this collaboration resume

Good job your paying is fast

QUOTE (bleez @ Dec 9 2018, 01:58 PM) *


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Hi

I like your playing, it looks so much like the old blues that I’ve always listened to.
I read your post on your stop to the practice of guitar, your playing did not suffer.
it is always as hot and cool

Posted by: bleez Dec 10 2018, 08:21 AM

QUOTE (MisterM @ Dec 9 2018, 01:33 PM) *
I like your playing, it looks so much like the old blues that I’ve always listened to.
I read your post on your stop to the practice of guitar, your playing did not suffer.
it is always as hot and cool

thanks dude smile.gif that is appreciated.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Dec 10 2018, 02:04 PM

QUOTE (bleez @ Dec 9 2018, 09:58 AM) *


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GREAT playing mate!! Those blues licks are really tasty and fresh! What a nice surprise to see you joining this one! Thanks a lot!!



We are getting close to finish this one. Any other participant? smile.gif

Posted by: bleez Dec 10 2018, 08:01 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Dec 10 2018, 01:04 PM) *
GREAT playing mate!! Those blues licks are really tasty and fresh! What a nice surprise to see you joining this one! Thanks a lot!!

thanks Gab, its great to be jamming again cool.gif

Posted by: Adam M Dec 10 2018, 08:09 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Dec 10 2018, 01:04 PM) *
GREAT playing mate!! Those blues licks are really tasty and fresh! What a nice surprise to see you joining this one! Thanks a lot!!



We are getting close to finish this one. Any other participant? smile.gif


I'm sorry to keep you waiting! I'm recording right now and I'll do another session tomorrow. I hope I'll get a satisfying take on this.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Dec 11 2018, 04:36 PM

QUOTE (Adam M @ Dec 10 2018, 04:09 PM) *
I'm sorry to keep you waiting! I'm recording right now and I'll do another session tomorrow. I hope I'll get a satisfying take on this.



Hi Adam! what scale are you using for this jam?


Posted by: Adam M Dec 11 2018, 05:33 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Dec 11 2018, 04:36 PM) *
Hi Adam! what scale are you using for this jam?

I think it was Minor Pentatonic. You posted the Blues scale but I'm not used tohitting blue notes. I just played what I felt sounds well. Did it go wrong? I'm really sorry, then!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Dec 11 2018, 10:24 PM

QUOTE (Adam M @ Dec 11 2018, 01:33 PM) *
I think it was Minor Pentatonic. You posted the Blues scale but I'm not used tohitting blue notes. I just played what I felt sounds well. Did it go wrong? I'm really sorry, then!


Unfortunately you've deleted it so I can re-check, but from what I could hear, there were some wrong notes there.

Try this scale over the backing, and share a quick take just for checking.

We are on a learning process here so don't worry about sharing takes that have issues. The main goal here is to learn while having fun! smile.gif




Posted by: Adam M Dec 12 2018, 01:55 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Dec 11 2018, 10:24 PM) *
Unfortunately you've deleted it so I can re-check, but from what I could hear, there were some wrong notes there.

Try this scale over the backing, and share a quick take just for checking.

We are on a learning process here so don't worry about sharing takes that have issues. The main goal here is to learn while having fun! smile.gif




I'm sorry about that. It was so bad, my ears were bleeding. Now that I think about it, I could've used B minor instead. I've been practicing daily over Valley of Fire backing track and it really got into my fingers. As I said, I won't be uploading anything until Monday's exams etc. so I won't mind if you finsh this one without me smile.gif

Posted by: Madfish Dec 12 2018, 10:59 AM

QUOTE (Adam M @ Dec 12 2018, 01:55 AM) *
I'm sorry about that. It was so bad, my ears were bleeding. Now that I think about it, I could've used B minor instead. I've been practicing daily over Valley of Fire backing track and it really got into my fingers. As I said, I won't be uploading anything until Monday's exams etc. so I won't mind if you finsh this one without me smile.gif


Yes, although this would give you a very different experience than playing the same set of notes over a B minor backing track. Since this blues is in E, you'd get more of a Dorian feel. C# is a major 6th over E and that's a "Dorian interval".
In my humble opinion you'd be playing E Dorian, not B minor wink.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Dec 12 2018, 02:30 PM

QUOTE (Adam M @ Dec 11 2018, 09:55 PM) *
I'm sorry about that. It was so bad, my ears were bleeding. Now that I think about it, I could've used B minor instead. I've been practicing daily over Valley of Fire backing track and it really got into my fingers. As I said, I won't be uploading anything until Monday's exams etc. so I won't mind if you finsh this one without me smile.gif



No problem mate! Take your time and keep me update here or at the mentoring thread so I can help you with this one. In your previous take, you were targeting Bm chord tones so you tend to end and start your phrases in notes that weren't really connected with the backing. I suspect that this won't happen if you think and play E minor Pentatonic while improvising.



QUOTE (Madfish @ Dec 12 2018, 06:59 AM) *
Yes, although this would give you a very different experience than playing the same set of notes over a B minor backing track. Since this blues is in E, you'd get more of a Dorian feel. C# is a major 6th over E and that's a "Dorian interval".
In my humble opinion you'd be playing E Dorian, not B minor wink.gif



The mode is not in the notes that you play, it's the notes that you emphasize to get the colour, without losing the overal root chord feel. Even playing E dorian, it's important to be able to identify and target notes from E chord, mostly every time that E chord sounds which in this case is dominant. If you play and stay on C# every time that E7 sounds, it will sound "out", and that's what it was happening.

Starting with Pentatonics and gradually adding the notes is what Lord Guthrie taught us.


Posted by: Madfish Dec 12 2018, 04:03 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Dec 12 2018, 02:30 PM) *
The mode is not in the notes that you play, it's the notes that you emphasize to get the colour, without losing the overal root chord feel. Even playing E dorian, it's important to be able to identify and target notes from E chord, mostly every time that E chord sounds which in this case is dominant. If you play and stay on C# every time that E7 sounds, it will sound "out", and that's what it was happening.

Starting with Pentatonics and gradually adding the notes is what Lord Guthrie taught us.



Eh. I thought Adam is planning to use B minor over that blues backing track. Not that he has used it already. My reading with understanding skill clearly needs some work tongue.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Dec 12 2018, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (Madfish @ Dec 12 2018, 12:03 PM) *
Eh. I thought Adam is planning to use B minor over that blues backing track. Not that he has used it already. My reading with understanding skill clearly needs some work tongue.gif



hahaha yeah, he's shared a take previously and that's what we were talking about. laugh.gif

Posted by: Adam M Dec 12 2018, 04:15 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Dec 12 2018, 02:30 PM) *
No problem mate! Take your time and keep me update here or at the mentoring thread so I can help you with this one. In your previous take, you were targeting Bm chord tones so you tend to end and start your phrases in notes that weren't really connected with the backing. I suspect that this won't happen if you think and play E minor Pentatonic while improvising.






The mode is not in the notes that you play, it's the notes that you emphasize to get the colour, without losing the overal root chord feel. Even playing E dorian, it's important to be able to identify and target notes from E chord, mostly every time that E chord sounds which in this case is dominant. If you play and stay on C# every time that E7 sounds, it will sound "out", and that's what it was happening.

Starting with Pentatonics and gradually adding the notes is what Lord Guthrie taught us.



Thank you, I'll look into it when I get some free time. Playing Dorian mode over it sounds interesting but I'll leave that for later - when I'm more knowledgeable smile.gif

Kris said the same thing before about adding notes to Pentatonics gradually. I think I know where he learned that from wink.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Dec 13 2018, 03:26 PM

QUOTE (Adam M @ Dec 12 2018, 12:15 PM) *
Thank you, I'll look into it when I get some free time. Playing Dorian mode over it sounds interesting but I'll leave that for later - when I'm more knowledgeable smile.gif

Kris said the same thing before about adding notes to Pentatonics gradually. I think I know where he learned that from wink.gif



Yeah, E Pentatonic minor will work over this one. If you want to go deeper with blues, you need to follow the chords while improvising using arpeggios and modes. We can work on this at the mentoring program thread!

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