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Chords For Scales
Andrew Cockburn
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QUOTE (utak3r @ Jan 4 2009, 11:20 AM) *
Oh man, I had prepared a full bag of questions about chords, after reading a whole stuff about scales and single tones... well, it's empty for a while now wink.gif fantastic job, it was a big lack in my knowledge smile.gif


just a quick & simple question:



Let's take we ain't sticked into power chords.... should I play in the second place something like:

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-3-
-2-
-1-


?? It builds a good tension, a first thought is some old intro from one of Metallica's songs...


That's actually a flattened 5th, so technically not a power chord, but great for building an evil and tense kid of sound!

QUOTE (vampire14 @ Jan 23 2009, 11:39 AM) *
in the last paragraph you mentioned getting a chord progression first and than write your riffs on the scale that fits.
but how do i know what scale fits? how do i do this process the other way round?


You can figure it out through a process of elimination! Arrange all of your chords and pull the notes out and order them. That gives you a list of notes and if you know your scales you shoould be able to fit one to the notes you have with a little work!

QUOTE (Shiho @ Feb 1 2009, 11:17 AM) *
Hey Guys,

First I wanted to say that I'm a admirer of Andrew's Professional Work, here wink.gif
Thanks a lot.

But I got a question referring to the Em Chord of the D-Major scale.

I tried to figure out the notes myself using your "formula". So after getting done the D-Major chord I came up with the E Minor Chord. If I'm right it consists of the three notes E Gb/F# and B.

So if I wanted to try out the Chord on the guitar it must've got the tab (If I got that right):

-----2--
--------
--------
-----2--
-----2--
---------

But I'm familiar to playing it without the thin E string :

--------
--------
--------
-----2--
-----2--
---------

Why is it a Em, when one of the 3 notes of which it consists isn't played? Is it a power chord then?

It also could be true that I've made any mistake. If so - Please help me to fix it smile.gif

I'm looking forward to your answers.

See you soon smile.gif


Not quite right -

The scale of D major is D E F# G A B C# D

To make a chord from this scale with a root note of E we start at E, skip a note, pick a note skip a note and pick a note, which gives us E G B - these are the notes for E minor

So, looking at the way you normally play it (which is correct) from the low E string up you have:

E B E G B E

All of which are in the chord smile.gif

The not you had on the high E string, F#, whilst in the scale is not part of a basic E minor chord. In fact it is a 9th, which would make the first chord you showed an Em9 - nothing wrong with that, it's still in the scale, just not the chord you were going for smile.gif

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But is the G of the D-Major scale not the 3rd? And following your formula ("Minor 1,b3,5") the 3rd has to be flattened, hasnt it? So why do you get a G instead of a Gb?



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QUOTE (Shiho @ Feb 1 2009, 06:40 PM) *
But is the G of the D-Major scale not the 3rd? And following your formula ("Minor 1,b3,5") the 3rd has to be flattened, hasnt it? So why do you get a G instead of a Gb?


You're trying to apply this rule for the second time wink.gif It's already applied... you can't flatten or sharp any note from the scale while building a chord...

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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Feb 1 2009, 06:22 PM) *
The not you had on the high E string, F#, whilst in the scale is not part of a basic E minor chord. In fact it is a 9th, which would make the first chord you showed an Em9 - nothing wrong with that, it's still in the scale, just not the chord you were going for smile.gif


Actually it would be an Em+9 chord, since there's no b7 in there. Hope I got it right... biggrin.gif

QUOTE (utak3r @ Feb 1 2009, 06:45 PM) *
You're trying to apply this rule for the second time wink.gif It's already applied... you can't flatten or sharp any note from the scale while building a chord...


Yep...

@Shiho - The correct intervals are already there, in the scale -> that's what makes a bunch of notes a scale. To build chords from the scale, you just use the notes that are already in there and follow a simple formula as Andrew already mentioned a couple of times: take a note - skip a note - take - skip - take a note

@Emir - some of those augmented chord types sound awfully nice... thanx for the formulas bro biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (GrannyKiller @ Feb 11 2009, 11:55 AM) *
Actually it would be an Em+9 chord, since there's no b7 in there. Hope I got it right... biggrin.gif


Yes, Em+9, sorry.

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