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Posted by: Taka Perry Sep 12 2014, 06:55 AM

Hey Folks!

It's time for us to get electronic with the 'Fusing the Genres' Collaboration! The idea behind this one is to stray away from standard rock instrumentation, and solo over a more synth-driven style of backing track. Furthermore, if you want to play an instrument other than guitar, you are more than welcome, as it would be awesome seeing some other instruments being added into this collaboration. So if you're up for it, keep reading on for more details!

Lets make this one big!

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The Important Stuff

Backing Track:  fusing_the_genres.mp3 ( 2.73MB ) : 1043


Tempo: 150BPM

Key: E Minor / G Major

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator

Deadline: Friday 10th October
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After you come up with your guitar part, here is what I need you to do:

1. Open up the backing track in your DAW
2. Record yourself playing the solo, with both audio and video
3. Render a 16-bit WAV 44.1KHz with just the solo
4. Render an MP3 file with the backing track and the solo
5. Send the video (preferrably .mp4)

You can upload these files via Dropbox or just on this thread. Alternatively you can email me a link over at http://mailto:[email protected]
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Tips: I'm going to quote Cosmin here, because I agree with him entirely. It's better to make short but polished, detailed lines, rather than long rushed passages! There is no need to play over the entire backing track, in fact, it would probably be better to focus on a particular section.

Finally, have fun and enjoy! Let's see what we can create smile.gif

Participants: Taka Perry, Cosmin Lupu, Huargo, Jim S., Todd Simpson, Gabriel Leopardi,

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 12 2014, 09:14 AM

Hey Taka smile.gif I'm in wink.gif

Posted by: Taka Perry Sep 12 2014, 02:01 PM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 12 2014, 06:14 PM) *
Hey Taka smile.gif I'm in wink.gif


Great to have you on board mate! wink.gif I am looking forward to what you come up with. smile.gif

Posted by: huargo Sep 12 2014, 10:29 PM

In!

Posted by: Taka Perry Sep 13 2014, 07:48 AM

QUOTE (huargo @ Sep 13 2014, 07:29 AM) *
In!


Fantastic! smile.gif Looking forward to your stuff Huargo smile.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Sep 13 2014, 02:59 PM

Taka I really like this track, you did a nice job putting this together. Even though I've tried to stay away from Collabs recently just to stay focused on other lessons, I'm gonna write something for this. I'm in!

Posted by: Taka Perry Sep 13 2014, 03:45 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Sep 13 2014, 11:59 PM) *
Taka I really like this track, you did a nice job putting this together. Even though I've tried to stay away from Collabs recently just to stay focused on other lessons, I'm gonna write something for this. I'm in!


Thank you Jim! I'm happy to have you involved on this one smile.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Sep 14 2014, 10:00 PM

Heres a little recording I did today. It has the theme in which I'm shooting for. There are a few notes which I really like. The first is F# this has some great harmonics to it. The other is a E harmonic minor starting on B. Lastly is the lick that ends on a G and F#. That is a cool tension. As Ben Higgins would say, Most of the work is done I just need to add polish to it. Not Polish like Poland but polish like the nail paint.

https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/fusing-the-genres-ideas


Posted by: Todd Simpson Sep 15 2014, 03:54 AM

I'm in!!! smile.gif My solos usually get truncated down to about 1 or 2 seconds, so hopefully if this one remains a tight/small group, we can all get good playtime!

Posted by: Taka Perry Sep 15 2014, 01:31 PM

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Sep 15 2014, 12:54 PM) *
I'm in!!! smile.gif My solos usually get truncated down to about 1 or 2 seconds, so hopefully if this one remains a tight/small group, we can all get good playtime!



Fantastic stuff Todd! I can also rework the backing track in the final mix so everyone's solo will fit in its entirety smile.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Sep 15 2014, 07:25 PM

Would anyone care to bounce back n forth on one lead? Or like phrase for phrase?

An idea would be to have all participants add one lick that builds upon the next until the climax of the song. Just an idea.

Posted by: huargo Sep 15 2014, 09:05 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Sep 14 2014, 09:00 PM) *
Heres a little recording I did today. It has the theme in which I'm shooting for. There are a few notes which I really like. The first is F# this has some great harmonics to it. The other is a E harmonic minor starting on B. Lastly is the lick that ends on a G and F#. That is a cool tension. As Ben Higgins would say, Most of the work is done I just need to add polish to it. Not Polish like Poland but polish like the nail paint.

https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/fusing-the-genres-ideas

Hi Jim! nice lines here!
0:34 my fav smile.gif

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Sep 15 2014, 06:25 PM) *
Would anyone care to bounce back n forth on one lead? Or like phrase for phrase?

An idea would be to have all participants add one lick that builds upon the next until the climax of the song. Just an idea.

A good idea for a instructors collab... i think it's a lot of work for a student to edit a lot of phrases but i like the concept...
Searching the perfect lick.


Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 16 2014, 12:25 AM

That's a very cool backing and this collab a great initiative!! Of course I'm in!! smile.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 16 2014, 08:19 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Sep 14 2014, 09:00 PM) *
Heres a little recording I did today. It has the theme in which I'm shooting for. There are a few notes which I really like. The first is F# this has some great harmonics to it. The other is a E harmonic minor starting on B. Lastly is the lick that ends on a G and F#. That is a cool tension. As Ben Higgins would say, Most of the work is done I just need to add polish to it. Not Polish like Poland but polish like the nail paint.

https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/fusing-the-genres-ideas


Hey Jim biggrin.gif Looks like you befriended Mattias IA Eklundh on this track wink.gif Nice lines! I especially love the 0:24 chord and that lick around 0:34-0:38 - that one sounds very Mattias like!

Posted by: Jim S. Sep 16 2014, 01:57 PM

QUOTE (huargo @ Sep 15 2014, 04:05 PM) *
Hi Jim! nice lines here!
0:34 my fav smile.gif


A good idea for a instructors collab... i think it's a lot of work for a student to edit a lot of phrases but i like the concept...
Searching the perfect lick.


Thank for listening Huargo! I agree that might be too much.

I think I'll end my solo on that lick your talking about. I think it's a little nasty

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 16 2014, 03:19 AM) *
Hey Jim biggrin.gif Looks like you befriended Mattias IA Eklundh on this track wink.gif Nice lines! I especially love the 0:24 chord and that lick around 0:34-0:38 - that one sounds very Mattias like!


Cosmin thanks! That exactly where I'll end my solo. Short n sweet!

I am not familiar with Mattias, I shall google him or her now.

Posted by: Taka Perry Sep 17 2014, 12:58 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Sep 15 2014, 07:00 AM) *
Heres a little recording I did today. It has the theme in which I'm shooting for. There are a few notes which I really like. The first is F# this has some great harmonics to it. The other is a E harmonic minor starting on B. Lastly is the lick that ends on a G and F#. That is a cool tension. As Ben Higgins would say, Most of the work is done I just need to add polish to it. Not Polish like Poland but polish like the nail paint.

https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/fusing-the-genres-ideas


Hey Jim! Sorry for the delayed reply! The solo sounding great! I agree, most of the work is done, now its just the final polish smile.gif really loving the harmonic content in the guitar tone smile.gif The faster playing in the second parts contrasts very nicely with the more melodic side in the first section.

Are there any parts which you aren't completely happy with? Tone wise or playing wise or anything, let us know!

QUOTE (huargo @ Sep 16 2014, 06:05 AM) *
Hi Jim! nice lines here!
0:34 my fav smile.gif


A good idea for a instructors collab... i think it's a lot of work for a student to edit a lot of phrases but i like the concept...
Searching the perfect lick.


I'm totally in for something like that! Even if I'm a student, I'm happy to mix together a back n forth lick kinda thing!

Jim, I'm interested in what you specifically meant by doing a back n forth lick! Do you mean as well as having solos?

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 16 2014, 09:25 AM) *
That's a very cool backing and this collab a great initiative!! Of course I'm in!! smile.gif


Great stuff Gab! Looking forward to hearing some stuff smile.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 17 2014, 08:50 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Sep 16 2014, 12:57 PM) *
Thank for listening Huargo! I agree that might be too much.

I think I'll end my solo on that lick your talking about. I think it's a little nasty



Cosmin thanks! That exactly where I'll end my solo. Short n sweet!

I am not familiar with Mattias, I shall google him or her now.


Great choice, Jim - as I said, you actually hit some very different things with this improv, than I am used to hearing from you - was it the backing that inspired you, or have you been working on this direction and found it appropriate to deploy such lines in here? smile.gif

Mattias is one of my favorite guitarists - he is a Swedish prog/cartoon/pop/metal musician biggrin.gif If we can describe him like this!

Posted by: Jim S. Sep 17 2014, 12:34 PM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 17 2014, 03:50 AM) *
Great choice, Jim - as I said, you actually hit some very different things with this improv, than I am used to hearing from you - was it the backing that inspired you, or have you been working on this direction and found it appropriate to deploy such lines in here? smile.gif

Mattias is one of my favorite guitarists - he is a Swedish prog/cartoon/pop/metal musician biggrin.gif If we can describe him like this!


I believe the combination of the rec. lessons and this backing have allowed me to open up a bit. In the lessons there are passing tones I'm picking up on, here I found B maj or atleast sliding into the maj third starts a harmonic minor phrase. From there I wanted to be creative moving up the neck. I felt as though at that point there was a need to hit some of the chords tones and there was the top of a gmaj arp. I like using those "I think harmonic minor tones, making coffee now" when I solo but never seem to pull it out at the right time.

This little passage was pretty easy to write because it wrote itself. Each part seemed to just fit together. I'm pumped to work on ot again.

As you know I'm programming drums..........

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 17 2014, 03:09 PM

Beautiful playing Jim. You solo sounds fresh, very uncommon but tasty. These are descriptions that are tricky to find together so it speaks really good of you as a guitarist and composer.

Cosmin asked a very interesting question, and now I'm even more curious, is this an improvisation? How did you worked on the different licks?

Posted by: Jim S. Sep 17 2014, 03:20 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 17 2014, 10:09 AM) *
Beautiful playing Jim. You solo sounds fresh, very uncommon but tasty. These are descriptions that are tricky to find together so it speaks really good of you as a guitarist and composer.

Cosmin asked a very interesting question, and now I'm even more curious, is this an improvisation? How did you worked on the different licks?


Thank you! Well to be quite honest, while improvising over the backing I played one take that was just great. I seemed to nail the harmonic minor bending lick and from there I played an odd rhythmic sequence with these pauses that eventually ended up with that wobbly min 2nd interval with the whammy. After that I said to myself, that's what I wanted to say! From memory I couldn't get that same feeling like the one I just played.

The version on the recording is my best rendition of what I thought I played. All of what I improvised started when I played the d# over G maj. I started really looking at what I was playing and thought about how the guitar parts on the lessons I was studying linked together.

Posted by: Taka Perry Sep 17 2014, 10:17 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Sep 18 2014, 12:20 AM) *
Thank you! Well to be quite honest, while improvising over the backing I played one take that was just great. I seemed to nail the harmonic minor bending lick and from there I played an odd rhythmic sequence with these pauses that eventually ended up with that wobbly min 2nd interval with the whammy. After that I said to myself, that's what I wanted to say! From memory I couldn't get that same feeling like the one I just played.

The version on the recording is my best rendition of what I thought I played. All of what I improvised started when I played the d# over G maj. I started really looking at what I was playing and thought about how the guitar parts on the lessons I was studying linked together.


It sounds great either way! To me, the standout part is the very beginning, where you've got lots of harmonics and palm muted notes going on. The d# on top of the g (which I believe is a minor 6th) is a very nice interval, and I think it complements your solo well.

What kind of guitar and ampwere you using? You've got this really nice tone, and it would be great to know the recording process! smile.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Sep 17 2014, 11:13 PM

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Sep 17 2014, 05:17 PM) *
It sounds great either way! To me, the standout part is the very beginning, where you've got lots of harmonics and palm muted notes going on. The d# on top of the g (which I believe is a minor 6th) is a very nice interval, and I think it complements your solo well.

What kind of guitar and ampwere you using? You've got this really nice tone, and it would be great to know the recording process! smile.gif


Thanks Taka, you know I can't believe this many people commented on this track. Feels good after so much practice. I'm still working on tone, I'd prefer a little cleaner but this setting seems to cut through most anything I throw at it.

For starters my strings are 11-48 and since the switch I've noticed more picking control and a bit more clarity from my reg 9-42 or something.

Active pickups in an older ibanez s prestige.

Direct into m audio firewire interface into Logic Pro.

I use Amplitube on 2 tracks. One panned left and one right.

On the two channel strips I have a compressor set 4:1 6db gain makeup. Sometimes I'll add logics reverb because I like it more than amplitubes. All depends I haven't experimented long enough yet.

In Amplitube I run 2 orange amps each have their own different mic positions and style of mics. Also there is a eq, distortion, compressor and a touch of chorus before amp processing. Each amp has the gain about 3/4 and the rest somewhere near halfway.

Post gain each one amp gets reverb one gets delay. Both get eq and tube compressor.

What I love the most which Todd Simpson helped me with is the arm for recording function now turns on and off my guitar processing. I just learned this after years and now I can have all the different guitars all set on different tracks and just pick any of them for different styles of guitar. Clean, lead, rhythm all on panned tracks and ready to go with the template. Any project I start the setting up guitar track days are over!!!

So when I record my goal is to record it twice giving a very very nice tone as long as timing is precise. If not copy paste and possibly nudge a track 1 tick so it adds some fullness.

I will say that using the setup I have takes up a ton of the audio spectrum so panning too hard may not be ideal.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 18 2014, 08:45 AM

So it was pretty much something that came natural smile.gif That's absolutely great to know - I asked, because when a certain musical context provides the right inspiration, you will most likely come up with something nicer than usual, as a general situation.

Another important thing - if I got it right - was that you managed to incorporate knowledge you have gathered from studying lessons here at GMC - that's simply great, because this is their actual purpose - enriching vocabulary, teaching how to apply theoretical notions and concepts and developing technique! Good going Jim! You provided a good example for everyone!

Posted by: Taka Perry Sep 18 2014, 01:44 PM

Sounds like a nice signal chain you have happening there! I've never used Amplitube myself, but I am a big fan of amp simulators, and I believe it's quite possible to get some awesome tones out of them, as you've demonstrated!

When you say you're using two tracks panned hard left and right, do you have the same guitar recording on each track? I find sometimes helps thicken up a solo if you double track selected parts for emphasis. Just a suggestion, though wink.gif

Posted by: huargo Sep 18 2014, 07:27 PM

Hi guys
This is my approach to this collab.....how hard is playing guitar. Working in the last part too but not shure about it...
Thanks Taka for the backing.!

https://soundcloud.com/david-vico-2/fusing-the-genres

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 18 2014, 10:32 PM

QUOTE (huargo @ Sep 18 2014, 03:27 PM) *
Hi guys
This is my approach to this collab.....how hard is playing guitar. Working in the last part too but not shure about it...
Thanks Taka for the backing.!

https://soundcloud.com/david-vico-2/fusing-the-genres



That's a very cool take Huargo! It sounds tasty and you tone is very warm. This collab final mix will be an awesome track! I've been jamming a bit over the backing and I can say that it's really inspiring.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 19 2014, 03:03 PM

QUOTE (huargo @ Sep 18 2014, 06:27 PM) *
Hi guys
This is my approach to this collab.....how hard is playing guitar. Working in the last part too but not shure about it...
Thanks Taka for the backing.!

https://soundcloud.com/david-vico-2/fusing-the-genres


Hey mate smile.gif I also like the recording! Nice ideas and tone here for certain, but please focus a bit more on the part around 01:45 - that's a place where you tend to lose direction a bit smile.gif

Posted by: huargo Sep 20 2014, 12:14 PM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 19 2014, 02:03 PM) *
Hey mate smile.gif I also like the recording! Nice ideas and tone here for certain, but please focus a bit more on the part around 01:45 - that's a place where you tend to lose direction a bit smile.gif

Oh my god! I was thinking it was the best part of the solo!!! Jeje i'll take a loock with fresh ears!! Thanks for coment. Cosmin and Gab!!!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 20 2014, 03:13 PM

QUOTE (huargo @ Sep 20 2014, 11:14 AM) *
Oh my god! I was thinking it was the best part of the solo!!! Jeje i'll take a loock with fresh ears!! Thanks for coment. Cosmin and Gab!!!


Hey mate, always glad to help, but hey - that's my opinion wink.gif Maybe other folks like it as it is - the most important part though - do you like it enough to leave it just as it is? If you think it can be improved, then it's 'back to the drawing board'!

Posted by: Taka Perry Sep 21 2014, 07:59 AM

QUOTE (huargo @ Sep 19 2014, 04:27 AM) *
Hi guys
This is my approach to this collab.....how hard is playing guitar. Working in the last part too but not shure about it...
Thanks Taka for the backing.!

https://soundcloud.com/david-vico-2/fusing-the-genres


Wow, this is really nice! I'm hearing some very nice progress on this backing track. The melody starting at 0:51 really stands out to, and I'm really digging the layering and flavor-notes you're emphasised throughout the solo! Can't wait for this whole collab to come together! smile.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 21 2014, 08:23 AM

Somehow, I had the impression that the deadline was a bit earlier and I thought it would be tight for me, but then I noticed October 10th... pheww biggrin.gif

Great takes and I think that the backing had a lot to do with it, as it offered a lot of inspiration! Let's keep rocking!

Posted by: Jim S. Sep 23 2014, 12:13 AM

Tone! I worked our a completely new setup and I think it's pretty smooth. I took the original take on it and did some enhancements by using repeating phrases. 2 to be exact. Nothing flashy but id like to add 1 nice run or tapping lick somewhere in this to make something pop out. Any ideas where that might be?

How are you guys working out this tune?


Posted by: Taka Perry Sep 23 2014, 12:54 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Sep 23 2014, 09:13 AM) *
Tone! I worked our a completely new setup and I think it's pretty smooth. I took the original take on it and did some enhancements by using repeating phrases. 2 to be exact. Nothing flashy but id like to add 1 nice run or tapping lick somewhere in this to make something pop out. Any ideas where that might be?

How are you guys working out this tune?



Just had a listen through my crappy onboard speakers, but from what I heard, I really dig the use of the trem bar in your solo! I think this solo is a bit edgier and wackier, compared to the first one which was more melodic! I love both, and if you get the right combination of both, I think you would have a fantastic solo!

I need to submit my take as well ohmy.gif School is finishing up this week, so I'll have plenty of time to get ideas down after that. I also picked up a nice ENGL combo on the weekend, so I'm gonna have some fun mic'ing that up tongue.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 23 2014, 11:07 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Sep 22 2014, 11:13 PM) *
Tone! I worked our a completely new setup and I think it's pretty smooth. I took the original take on it and did some enhancements by using repeating phrases. 2 to be exact. Nothing flashy but id like to add 1 nice run or tapping lick somewhere in this to make something pop out. Any ideas where that might be?

How are you guys working out this tune?



Jim - hey matey smile.gif I dig the tone and the playing as well. The only improvement is the static feeling that could be bumped up a bit with some more dynamic changes in phrasing and in direction. For instance, the piece grows and grows and around 0:44 instead of exploding into a cascade of notes - could easily see a tapped theme based on 16th notes there - it still stays in the same spirit as before smile.gif That's how I feel things, tho, so if my perspective helps, I'd be glad to know smile.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Sep 23 2014, 01:03 PM

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Sep 22 2014, 07:54 PM) *
Just had a listen through my crappy onboard speakers, but from what I heard, I really dig the use of the trem bar in your solo! I think this solo is a bit edgier and wackier, compared to the first one which was more melodic! I love both, and if you get the right combination of both, I think you would have a fantastic solo!

I need to submit my take as well ohmy.gif School is finishing up this week, so I'll have plenty of time to get ideas down after that. I also picked up a nice ENGL combo on the weekend, so I'm gonna have some fun mic'ing that up tongue.gif


Hey Taka thanks, I agree a mix of both would be great. In my Daw I have 6 different takes as I keep coming up with new stuff to play. One thing that I gave been doing is listening to my recordings for notes that are typical with my playing style and not going there.

I'm excited to hear your take with that new amp. Never played one but hear they are raw.

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 23 2014, 06:07 AM) *
Jim - hey matey smile.gif I dig the tone and the playing as well. The only improvement is the static feeling that could be bumped up a bit with some more dynamic changes in phrasing and in direction. For instance, the piece grows and grows and around 0:44 instead of exploding into a cascade of notes - could easily see a tapped theme based on 16th notes there - it still stays in the same spirit as before smile.gif That's how I feel things, tho, so if my perspective helps, I'd be glad to know smile.gif


Cosmin you sneaky devil, I was just thinking that part at :44 needs to go. Whatever that phrase is seems to be very common in my playing and I'm sick of hearing it. Are there notes or phrases in your own playing that you seem to go to on autopilot?

I'm listening to a lot of my recordings and find many similar notes that I hang on common phrases. I'd like to eliminate the predictability aspect in my playing.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 23 2014, 03:02 PM

Hi Jim! Your tone seems to be very warm and has a killer sustain. I like what I hear but I will be more sure once I could here the recording instead of the camera mic. Regarding the composition, I'm with Cosmin, I feel that the solo need some more dramatic phrasing when it reaches around 30 seconds and from there to the end. Some more intensity, more notes, more bends, something that makes the overall sound less static would be a killer idea.

I would also like to say that I enjoy a lot your vibrato technique, it fits perfect with the groove of the backing track. smile.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Sep 23 2014, 06:33 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 23 2014, 10:02 AM) *
Hi Jim! Your tone seems to be very warm and has a killer sustain. I like what I hear but I will be more sure once I could here the recording instead of the camera mic. Regarding the composition, I'm with Cosmin, I feel that the solo need some more dramatic phrasing when it reaches around 30 seconds and from there to the end. Some more intensity, more notes, more bends, something that makes the overall sound less static would be a killer idea.

I would also like to say that I enjoy a lot your vibrato technique, it fits perfect with the groove of the backing track. smile.gif


Hey Gab thanks for the nice words. I'll be sure to work on this a bit more. The tempo is holding me back a bit but incorporating some tapping would take some of the stress off picking. There are a few bends I have made in other takes that sound awesome. It implies a quick dip with whammy bar and a full bend after a hammer. Dip hammer bend wink.gif

The take you hear is the recording straight from daw. Pretty sure I deleted the mic track from the video too. Idk???


Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 24 2014, 06:31 PM

Hehe smile.gif Jim, well, I just let my ears do the judging smile.gif The idea here is that yes, sometimes, if I play with my hands and not with my ears/head/heart, the outcome will be a mediocre one, because I haven't served the music, but instead, I played something that I already knew.

Usually when you pay attention and are generally aware of the musical context in which you find yourself at that exact moment, you will be far more able to create a genuine phrase/ improvisation if you pay attention to all of the important elements:

- harmony
- rhythm
- groove
- feel
- chords/notes relationship

I think you could use all these elements to create a great tapping line over that specific part, so I am thus throwing you a new glove for a challenge smile.gif What do you think? smile.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Sep 24 2014, 07:07 PM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 24 2014, 01:31 PM) *
Hehe smile.gif Jim, well, I just let my ears do the judging smile.gif The idea here is that yes, sometimes, if I play with my hands and not with my ears/head/heart, the outcome will be a mediocre one, because I haven't served the music, but instead, I played something that I already knew.

Usually when you pay attention and are generally aware of the musical context in which you find yourself at that exact moment, you will be far more able to create a genuine phrase/ improvisation if you pay attention to all of the important elements:

- harmony
- rhythm
- groove
- feel
- chords/notes relationship

I think you could use all these elements to create a great tapping line over that specific part, so I am thus throwing you a new glove for a challenge smile.gif What do you think? smile.gif


I'm accepting the challenge and already started working on some things. The first thing I've reworked is the beginning. Sat down and sang over and over again and finally came up with a creative way into that "tapping part" which from what I'm hearing is going to be a bit of legato with some cool bends. In both my takes I play these chords Emin and G these pass quickly but I'd like to keep the chords just playing legato lines in place of the chord.

This is the most time ever spent on a collab and it's pretty rewarding work making music with a semi blank slate.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 24 2014, 07:41 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Sep 23 2014, 02:33 PM) *
Hey Gab thanks for the nice words. I'll be sure to work on this a bit more. The tempo is holding me back a bit but incorporating some tapping would take some of the stress off picking. There are a few bends I have made in other takes that sound awesome. It implies a quick dip with whammy bar and a full bend after a hammer. Dip hammer bend wink.gif

The take you hear is the recording straight from daw. Pretty sure I deleted the mic track from the video too. Idk???



Ah, I thought that this was the camera mic because I hear a lot of room reverb. So maybe the reverb is part of the patch that you used. If it's so, I would set the tone with less effect to let the amp sound closer and more defined. What do you think?

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Sep 24 2014, 09:08 PM

Very cool initiative. I will see if I can get some vocals recorded for this one. The backing track is very cool although different than what I have worked with before (vocal wise).

I am thinking either about something clean (wish me luck!) - or my usual barking, but perhaps with some spaced out effect.

edit - good thing with this genre is that I can probably slap on a fat autotune without worrying too much tongue.gif

Posted by: huargo Sep 24 2014, 10:07 PM

Oh thanks! vocals is a must in this backing....

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 25 2014, 07:48 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Sep 24 2014, 06:07 PM) *
I'm accepting the challenge and already started working on some things. The first thing I've reworked is the beginning. Sat down and sang over and over again and finally came up with a creative way into that "tapping part" which from what I'm hearing is going to be a bit of legato with some cool bends. In both my takes I play these chords Emin and G these pass quickly but I'd like to keep the chords just playing legato lines in place of the chord.

This is the most time ever spent on a collab and it's pretty rewarding work making music with a semi blank slate.


Howdy Jim! I am really glad to hear that smile.gif Spending serious time on creating and polishing your music is generally a very good idea. I know some folks like the 'raw' feeling coming out of the first take. There's something VERY lively in there and most likely it will never come out as sincere and natural once again, but if you can keep that feeling somehow and polish it, then it's always important to take the right time to work on a creation enough so that you will be as close to being 100% satisfied with it.

I totally salute your effort and I am sure it will come out accordingly in its final state wink.gif If you need some inspiration, maybe throwing an eye over these wouldn't hurt:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/pentatonic-tapping/
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Melodic_Tapping_3/

The idea is not to reproduce them at full speed, but to steal concepts and adapt them to the one in which you are in wink.gif



Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 25 2014, 09:46 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Sep 24 2014, 05:08 PM) *
Very cool initiative. I will see if I can get some vocals recorded for this one. The backing track is very cool although different than what I have worked with before (vocal wise).

I am thinking either about something clean (wish me luck!) - or my usual barking, but perhaps with some spaced out effect.

edit - good thing with this genre is that I can probably slap on a fat autotune without worrying too much tongue.gif



Awesome!! I think that adding some vocals to this track is a great idea. Looking forward your take Kris. smile.gif

Posted by: Taka Perry Sep 25 2014, 11:39 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Sep 25 2014, 06:08 AM) *
Very cool initiative. I will see if I can get some vocals recorded for this one. The backing track is very cool although different than what I have worked with before (vocal wise).

I am thinking either about something clean (wish me luck!) - or my usual barking, but perhaps with some spaced out effect.

edit - good thing with this genre is that I can probably slap on a fat autotune without worrying too much tongue.gif


Excitement is building within the GMC community wink.gif Vocals will be truly awesome!

Posted by: Jim S. Sep 26 2014, 12:41 AM

Alright so I took a new look at it and refrained a bit and also let loose too. Probably way too loose for yall' but obviously this is still in writing stage. Ive experimented with some volume swells which Id like to time them better and make them softer. I also experimented with a string skipping lick I made up which ends with some fast picking. There are also these whammy bends in there that I like as well. I'm not sure how I feel about the tapping part but I think there will be some kind of version like that in there.

Sorry Gabriel, I did not mess with tone yet. Just working on playing. What do you think, am I moving in a good direction?


Posted by: Taka Perry Sep 26 2014, 02:36 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Sep 26 2014, 09:41 AM) *
Alright so I took a new look at it and refrained a bit and also let loose too. Probably way too loose for yall' but obviously this is still in writing stage. Ive experimented with some volume swells which Id like to time them better and make them softer. I also experimented with a string skipping lick I made up which ends with some fast picking. There are also these whammy bends in there that I like as well. I'm not sure how I feel about the tapping part but I think there will be some kind of version like that in there.

Sorry Gabriel, I did not mess with tone yet. Just working on playing. What do you think, am I moving in a good direction?


Nice progress, Jim! I really like the idea of the volume swells. This is going to result in an awesome solo! smile.gif
I think a noise gate in your signal chain would help clean up your sound, there's a bit of static sound towards the start!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Sep 26 2014, 03:27 PM

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Sep 26 2014, 12:39 AM) *
Excitement is building within the GMC community wink.gif Vocals will be truly awesome!


I am also excited about getting back to online collabs, it is difficult to get the same cultural and musical clash/chemistry happening with offline collabs! And this one is a great example of this, as I have never done anything in this type of electronic genre before.

Here is my idea:  fusing_kris.mp3 ( 5MB ) : 306


I recorded over the intro and the section at 01:27

I'll be able to bounce it down next week, and record video when I know how you'll use my take.


Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 26 2014, 03:39 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Sep 26 2014, 11:27 AM) *
I am also excited about getting back to online collabs, it is difficult to get the same cultural and musical clash/chemistry happening with offline collabs! And this one is a great example of this, as I have never done anything in this type of electronic genre before.

Here is my idea:  fusing_kris.mp3 ( 5MB ) : 306


I recorded over the intro and the section at 01:27

I'll be able to bounce it down next week, and record video when I know how you'll use my take.



Wou!! That's a great addition Kris. I really like both ideas and how you clean voice goes with this electronic sounds. I think that you've made the track sound more metal, but more in the style of the newest albums by bands like Paradise Lost, Sentenced, Katatonia, those metal bands that started to have Depeche Mode influences. I'm amazed of how a cool backing track is growing and converting into a killer song.

The first idea could be used also later in the track since it could be the chorus. If you move the chord progression, it still works good and gains even more drama / emotion. The other parts is like a mix of verse or bridge, what I commonly call the part C of a song.

This is getting really cool. smile.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Sep 26 2014, 06:11 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Sep 26 2014, 10:27 AM) *
I am also excited about getting back to online collabs, it is difficult to get the same cultural and musical clash/chemistry happening with offline collabs! And this one is a great example of this, as I have never done anything in this type of electronic genre before.

Here is my idea:  fusing_kris.mp3 ( 5MB ) : 306


I recorded over the intro and the section at 01:27

I'll be able to bounce it down next week, and record video when I know how you'll use my take.


Hey i really like what you did with the vocals. It's sort of avangarde rocklike? When you shoot your video are you going for a certain look like the guitar asshole? I'm curious to see your video.

Good Job!

Posted by: Jim S. Sep 26 2014, 08:13 PM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 25 2014, 02:48 PM) *
Howdy Jim! I am really glad to hear that smile.gif Spending serious time on creating and polishing your music is generally a very good idea. I know some folks like the 'raw' feeling coming out of the first take. There's something VERY lively in there and most likely it will never come out as sincere and natural once again, but if you can keep that feeling somehow and polish it, then it's always important to take the right time to work on a creation enough so that you will be as close to being 100% satisfied with it.

I totally salute your effort and I am sure it will come out accordingly in its final state wink.gif If you need some inspiration, maybe throwing an eye over these wouldn't hurt:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/pentatonic-tapping/
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Melodic_Tapping_3/

The idea is not to reproduce them at full speed, but to steal concepts and adapt them to the one in which you are in wink.gif


Hey Cosmin, thanks for the lesson suggestions. Got a good look at the melodic tapping and it's a great. I never thought about playing arpeggios like that. I'll have to practice that and try to incorporate it in my own playing.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Sep 26 2014, 09:13 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 26 2014, 04:39 PM) *
The first idea could be used also later in the track since it could be the chorus. If you move the chord progression, it still works good and gains even more drama / emotion. The other parts is like a mix of verse or bridge, what I commonly call the part C of a song.

Agreed. My idea with this take is to provide something which doesn't take too much space and can be moved around to fit the other takes in the collab. I find that a lot of times just having a tiny bit of vocals in an instrumental song can spice things up. Also this genre lends itself for repeating vocal lines with filters, phasers, pitch shifters etc.

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 26 2014, 04:39 PM) *
Wou!! That's a great addition Kris. I really like both ideas and how you clean voice goes with this electronic sounds. I think that you've made the track sound more metal, but more in the style of the newest albums by bands like Paradise Lost, Sentenced, Katatonia, those metal bands that started to have Depeche Mode influences. I'm amazed of how a cool backing track is growing and converting into a killer song.

Thanks - btw Paradise Lost is definitely one of my all time favorite bands, especially their metal albums Draconian Times and Icon which are breathtakingly epic! I even think their Depeche Mode style venture was decent.

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Sep 26 2014, 07:11 PM) *
When you shoot your video are you going for a certain look like the guitar asshole?


hehe don't give me ideas, I am working hard on keeping the asshole away. But sometimes he gets through anyway =)

Thanks for the great words!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 27 2014, 07:58 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Sep 26 2014, 07:13 PM) *
Hey Cosmin, thanks for the lesson suggestions. Got a good look at the melodic tapping and it's a great. I never thought about playing arpeggios like that. I'll have to practice that and try to incorporate it in my own playing.


Hehe! Great to hear I could help out here, matey smile.gif Let's see what you'll come up with then and we'll take it from there wink.gif

Also, Kris's intervention will turn things into a hellishly good venture biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Sep 26 2014, 08:13 PM) *
Agreed. My idea with this take is to provide something which doesn't take too much space and can be moved around to fit the other takes in the collab. I find that a lot of times just having a tiny bit of vocals in an instrumental song can spice things up. Also this genre lends itself for repeating vocal lines with filters, phasers, pitch shifters etc.


Thanks - btw Paradise Lost is definitely one of my all time favorite bands, especially their metal albums Draconian Times and Icon which are breathtakingly epic! I even think their Depeche Mode style venture was decent.



hehe don't give me ideas, I am working hard on keeping the asshole away. But sometimes he gets through anyway =)

Thanks for the great words!


Hey Kris, great stuff here man! Mind if I join with some additional vocals as well? smile.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Sep 27 2014, 08:10 PM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 27 2014, 08:58 PM) *
Hehe! Great to hear I could help out here, matey smile.gif Let's see what you'll come up with then and we'll take it from there wink.gif

Also, Kris's intervention will turn things into a hellishly good venture biggrin.gif



Hey Kris, great stuff here man! Mind if I join with some additional vocals as well? smile.gif


hehe no of course not, I think that would be amazing. The more the merrier!

Posted by: Taka Perry Sep 27 2014, 11:44 PM

The vocals are sounding great! I think that there is a lot of flexibility in terms of placing it in the mix, since the vocals are kind of a subtle touch to the music. I think it would work in very well with the existing guitar solos. We will just have to see the takes come together smile.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 28 2014, 12:10 PM

Alrighty then! I'll have my parts done in the first days this coming week wink.gif Both vocals and a lead guitar part - hope to have something that's worth this beautiful track and the already existing great takes biggrin.gif

I love the fresh musical direction that this whole collab is taking!

Posted by: DeGroot Sep 28 2014, 04:31 PM

I was inspired by Taka's track and what everyone has come up with so far. I came up with something this morning, it a bit on the metal side. Hope you enjoy! P.S. this is my first recording with my new Ibanez RG biggrin.gif

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/fusing-genres

Posted by: Jim S. Sep 28 2014, 07:41 PM

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Sep 28 2014, 11:31 AM) *
I was inspired by Taka's track and what everyone has come up with so far. I came up with something this morning, it a bit on the metal side. Hope you enjoy! P.S. this is my first recording with my new Ibanez RG biggrin.gif

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/fusing-genres


Man that sounds good, I like the overlapped rhythm that seems to rise over the lead guitar. The guitars sound pretty good too!

I hope Taka has plenty of alone time with his computer to fit all this together. This is quite the mega jam.

Has anyone played with the beige section yet? If I wasn't working hard on the verse is love to play something over that, it's a great part too.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 28 2014, 11:10 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Sep 26 2014, 05:13 PM) *
Thanks - btw Paradise Lost is definitely one of my all time favorite bands, especially their metal albums Draconian Times and Icon which are breathtakingly epic! I even think their Depeche Mode style venture was decent.



heheh yeah, they were lacking Taka's talent for creating elektro tracks that sound deep and interesting. Great to see you singing again! When is your solo album coming? smile.gif

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Sep 28 2014, 12:31 PM) *
I was inspired by Taka's track and what everyone has come up with so far. I came up with something this morning, it a bit on the metal side. Hope you enjoy! P.S. this is my first recording with my new Ibanez RG biggrin.gif

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/fusing-genres



This is a very interesting solo. I find it very original and it has a characteristic that I like of music. I heard it many times, maybe 4 or 5 times and I still discover new things. It's a complex / experimental idea that sounds very personal. Great job DG! wink.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Sep 29 2014, 10:56 AM

Here are the files:  kris_fusing_vocals.zip ( 13MB ) : 95

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 29 2014, 12:10 AM) *
heheh yeah, they were lacking Taka's talent for creating elektro tracks that sound deep and interesting. Great to see you singing again! When is your solo album coming? smile.gif

Yes they would have needed some 'Taka' for sure!

Having the time and peace of mind to put together an album is definitely a dream for me..! However I am not sure the concept of producing a typical album suits my type of artistry, or today's music biz for that matter..

But creating more - yes I want to do that! I have been way to slow on that area and I hope to produce more stuff the coming time, may it be in the form of an album, GMC lessons or youtube video. We'll see!

Posted by: DeGroot Sep 29 2014, 01:07 PM

Thanks for the comments! Yes, it was an experiment for sure. I recorded a part and just tried a few things over it. The whole solo was put together and recorded in around 2 hours. It sounds a bit odd listening back to it but I kind of like it. It will be interesting hear how it fits into the collab. smile.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 29 2014, 04:09 PM

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Sep 28 2014, 03:31 PM) *
I was inspired by Taka's track and what everyone has come up with so far. I came up with something this morning, it a bit on the metal side. Hope you enjoy! P.S. this is my first recording with my new Ibanez RG biggrin.gif

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/fusing-genres


It doesn't matter what side it is on wink.gif It sounds great to my ears and I think it fits the track excellently! Congratulations!

Posted by: Jim S. Oct 1 2014, 03:31 AM

Ok so after another round of writing here is my semi final product. Some of the parts that I have written cant be played yet and I am not sure Ill even come close to the deadline. Some of the tapping and lead lines I want to play very uniqe slowed down but are too tricky. I am glad that I was able to write it though.

Heres the track with the modified licks to fit the time.
https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/fusing-4

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 1 2014, 09:55 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Oct 1 2014, 02:31 AM) *
Ok so after another round of writing here is my semi final product. Some of the parts that I have written cant be played yet and I am not sure Ill even come close to the deadline. Some of the tapping and lead lines I want to play very uniqe slowed down but are too tricky. I am glad that I was able to write it though.

Heres the track with the modified licks to fit the time.
https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/fusing-4


Wow! Mate, that's ANOTHER animal! It only needs a bit of polishing here and there - but YOU CAN MAKE IT to the deadline if you practice it daily with a mindful attitude! I love the tapping lines and the way it builds up! Very good work!

Posted by: DeGroot Oct 1 2014, 11:44 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Oct 1 2014, 02:31 AM) *
Ok so after another round of writing here is my semi final product. Some of the parts that I have written cant be played yet and I am not sure Ill even come close to the deadline. Some of the tapping and lead lines I want to play very uniqe slowed down but are too tricky. I am glad that I was able to write it though.

Heres the track with the modified licks to fit the time.
https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/fusing-4


Interesting sounding solo… some really cool parts in there. The ending tap lick sounds awesome. cool.gif

Posted by: Taka Perry Oct 1 2014, 01:47 PM

QUOTE (DeGroot @ Sep 29 2014, 01:31 AM) *
I was inspired by Taka's track and what everyone has come up with so far. I came up with something this morning, it a bit on the metal side. Hope you enjoy! P.S. this is my first recording with my new Ibanez RG biggrin.gif

https://soundcloud.com/degroot-2/fusing-genres


Hey DeGroot! I'm loving the atmospheric nature of this solo smile.gif It starts off very nicely accompanying the track, and then the tapping part comes in and it's pure awesome!

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Sep 29 2014, 07:56 PM) *
Here are the files:  kris_fusing_vocals.zip ( 13MB ) : 95


Yes they would have needed some 'Taka' for sure!

Having the time and peace of mind to put together an album is definitely a dream for me..! However I am not sure the concept of producing a typical album suits my type of artistry, or today's music biz for that matter..

But creating more - yes I want to do that! I have been way to slow on that area and I hope to produce more stuff the coming time, may it be in the form of an album, GMC lessons or youtube video. We'll see!


I'm on holidays, so I'll have the time put together all of these files! I'm really stoked at all the wonderful entries from this collaboration, it's going to be great fun putting it together smile.gif I'm putting tomorrow aside to work on my solo part, I feel lazy after seeing all these fantastic takes tongue.gif

Posted by: Taka Perry Oct 2 2014, 05:38 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Oct 1 2014, 12:31 PM) *
Ok so after another round of writing here is my semi final product. Some of the parts that I have written cant be played yet and I am not sure Ill even come close to the deadline. Some of the tapping and lead lines I want to play very uniqe slowed down but are too tricky. I am glad that I was able to write it though.

Heres the track with the modified licks to fit the time.
https://soundcloud.com/jim-seekford-music/fusing-4


Your playing has tightened up a lot and the ideas are a lot more focused! It's been great seeing your progress through the multiple takes you've posted up here. Either way, this is sounding fantastic, and the tapping parts towards the end were really nice to hear smile.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 2 2014, 08:10 AM

Taka - I must say that you hit the jackpot with the backing wink.gif I am pretty sure that its awesomeness is the reason why so many folks have joined and came up with such inspired takes! Great job here, matey!

Posted by: Taka Perry Oct 2 2014, 08:46 AM

Alrighty, here's my take that I have been working on. The first half is a melodic solo, and then in the second half I play simpler chords and tremolo picking atmospheric style of guitar to accompany Kris' vocals. smile.gif What does everyone think? smile.gif

https://soundcloud.com/taka-perry/fusing-the-genres-taka-perry-solo

Posted by: DeGroot Oct 2 2014, 11:34 PM

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Oct 2 2014, 07:46 AM) *
Alrighty, here's my take that I have been working on. The first half is a melodic solo, and then in the second half I play simpler chords and tremolo picking atmospheric style of guitar to accompany Kris' vocals. smile.gif What does everyone think? smile.gif

https://soundcloud.com/taka-perry/fusing-the-genres-taka-perry-solo


I like that you have a melodic theme and sprinkle in some leads/fills in between the main melody. I also really like the tasteful chord right before the chorus/vocal section. The chords sit back and accent the vocals nicely. The tremelo notes add a cool atmosphere to the whole part. Sounds good!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 3 2014, 09:34 AM

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Oct 2 2014, 09:46 AM) *
Alrighty, here's my take that I have been working on. The first half is a melodic solo, and then in the second half I play simpler chords and tremolo picking atmospheric style of guitar to accompany Kris' vocals. smile.gif What does everyone think? smile.gif

https://soundcloud.com/taka-perry/fusing-the-genres-taka-perry-solo


Awesome to see you are working on it Taka.

Your thinking is right here - I can tell you have been working on building an evolving theme with your lead. This is usually what we want to hear in songs, a lead which takes us from point A to point B, in a fresh and unpredictable manner. Often in collabs people will try to squeeze in as many ideas as possible on 'their spot' - this is definitely ok from a learning perspective (ie how to put the licks you have been practicing in context) but it is not ok from a songwriting perspective.

Having said this - your lead is still very dense. The ideas of the first ~20 seconds could easily have been spread out on the double amount of time.

Slight reservation: if the song until this point has been very "slow" without too much action, then a dense lead might be ok, ie you would go wild with lots of ideas after a soft section (this is usually the purpose a regular guitar solo serves in a song). So it's hard to tell for sure without having heard the whole song.

Since you will be in charge of putting this together, you will probably not want to set anything in stone at this stage rather wait to see what you have got to work with when we have reached the deadline. Chances are you will need to do a lot of sacrifices to turn this is into a cool song (remember you started out very well with a cool backing track).

Ok so I hear you think "If I cut down on density it won't sound as cool" - and this is probably correct. It won't sound cool until you have made your new sparse take more expressive. So the key to writing a lead with vocal qualities it to have a strategy for every note, how will you attack it, how will you phrase it (exactly where will it be placed), how will you treat it (vibrato / sustain) and how will you end it?

This is what Satch does so well and probably the reason why he is pretty much the only one who has succeeded in making hit songs out of instrumental guitar music. A dynamic guitar sound also makes this a lot easier. Finding substitutes for words/vocals on the guitar is an incredible challenge!

By now I bet I have turned you off, and you're thinking how on earth am I going to accomplish this in three weeks? The good news is that pretty much all of this can be achieved in your daw. Start with writing a much sparser lead with breathing room and pauses. Now think of how you can gradually add more and more orchestration to your lead. Your primary tool will be guitar overdubs/harmonies, vsti overdubs/harmonies, and automations - for example you can automate send effects like reverb and delay, modulations (etc.) in order to get a dynamic sound.

Soundwise - your take is a bit harsh. Quick fix would be to use an EQ and maybe reverb to smoothen the highs (treble). If you think limitation lies your amp / amp sim then maybe spend a day or two trying out all the free high quality amp sims out there (just listen to the dynamic sound Darius got http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Hybrid-Blues-Dynamics-Arpeggios/ with a free amp sim)

I can tell you have got some skills - so you need to spend as much time as possible testing and preparing yourself before actually putting together the end product. The more of this you do the better it will sound. And when you are done, people might think you have got some god given talent - whereas all you did was spend much more time than everyone else, working on all the subtle details.

The start (and probably the most difficult part) is to actually identify all those details, and that's what we're doing here!

Let me know if you got any thoughts about this. I have also got some possibly helpful advice for you in order to get a coherent sound from all the different takes.

Posted by: Taka Perry Oct 3 2014, 10:01 AM

Cheers for the detailed reply, Kris.

You've got a lot of good points raised in your post. I think this collaboration has evolved past being a simple compilation of solos, so I think I'll need to give a better thought to structure and development of ideas. The audio clip I posted up was just a possible idea. I think being the person with the backing track project, I'll be able to spend some time putting everyone's take into a cohesive mix. That will probably be the hardest part, seeing as everyone creates their own musical 'idea' over my backing track.

Satch is one of my favorites, and I know what you mean about the aspect of expressive soloing. His solos are very vocal in nature, and it will definitely be a challenge putting everyone's take into one mix, since we are all 'saying' different things through our solos. If you've got some ideas, shoot them through! smile.gif The more advice I can get, the better. Especially from the guys here who have hosted collaborations in the past. I'll have a play around and see what I can do. The idea of sparsity reminded me of this song that I did a while back, especially around the 2:22 mark.

https://soundcloud.com/taka-perry/downfall

Since I'm coordinating the collaboration, I may as well wait until all the takes are in before seeing how they all (including mine) fit in. I'll most likely vary the backing track slightly through repetitions, to keep the whole collaboration fresh. I'll be able to mic my amp up once I get my microphone back from my friend. Got a nice ENGL combo to play around with, so I have no doubt that I'll get a good tone out of that one. I'll spend more time focusing on my tone once I get to that stage, so I won't get too caught up about my tone at the moment smile.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 3 2014, 01:51 PM

Hey Taka smile.gif Your note choice and phrasing are nice, but I would like to talk to you a little bit about expression smile.gif You see, you are one of the most creative folks I've ever bumped into during my existence and I think that you should put a bit more time into developing your skills as a player too, because you could do so much more once you become more proficient as a player as well wink.gif

I'd like to emphasize articulation - vibrato mostly - it could be wider and rounder and for that, I totally recommend Ben's Vibrato series - especialy this one:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Bens-Vibrato-Odyssey-5/

Each little example in this lesson will be of great assistance for your vibrato technique and I'd be curious to see a recording of the lesson done by you and then the vibrato applied with the new skills in this collab - would you be up to the challenge? wink.gif

Posted by: Taka Perry Oct 8 2014, 03:00 AM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Oct 3 2014, 10:51 PM) *
Hey Taka smile.gif Your note choice and phrasing are nice, but I would like to talk to you a little bit about expression smile.gif You see, you are one of the most creative folks I've ever bumped into during my existence and I think that you should put a bit more time into developing your skills as a player too, because you could do so much more once you become more proficient as a player as well wink.gif

I'd like to emphasize articulation - vibrato mostly - it could be wider and rounder and for that, I totally recommend Ben's Vibrato series - especialy this one:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Bens-Vibrato-Odyssey-5/

Each little example in this lesson will be of great assistance for your vibrato technique and I'd be curious to see a recording of the lesson done by you and then the vibrato applied with the new skills in this collab - would you be up to the challenge? wink.gif


Thanks for the link, Cosmin! I've been trying some different things over the past couple of days, mainly focusing on simplifying the parts but making the more expressive.

Everyone, the deadline is in a couple of days so please start getting the takes in! Can't wait to hear all of the takes come together smile.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Oct 8 2014, 03:41 AM

Well the deadline is a coming and I'm still writing. Pushing myself to write speedy flowing lines. I'm not sure what the end result will be but hopefully a good mix of all my takes plus the ones still in my head. There is a good chance I'll be editing the video and not having one through take. There are some camera angles I'd like to explore and some close up shots.

How are you guys coming along with the track?

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 8 2014, 03:03 PM

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Oct 8 2014, 02:00 AM) *
Thanks for the link, Cosmin! I've been trying some different things over the past couple of days, mainly focusing on simplifying the parts but making the more expressive.

Everyone, the deadline is in a couple of days so please start getting the takes in! Can't wait to hear all of the takes come together smile.gif


Hey Taka! That's a very good choice there smile.gif Keeping it simple and expressive and catchy, if you work on melodies, of course, will always guarantee a good result wink.gif Looking forward to hear your new take and I will have mine for you tomorrow, hopefully. I wasn't really happy with what I got so that's why I took some time. Please do try that lesson, as it will help TONS wink.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 8 2014, 09:19 PM

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Oct 3 2014, 11:01 AM) *
If you've got some ideas, shoot them through!


Some stuff which might be helpful:

* People often dial in a guitar sound which sounds great on its own, but which is much too bass heavy for a mix. This can easily be solved with a low cut EQ. I like to use the multi band compressor for the 100-500 Hz region as it enables you to preserve a bit more of the sound, while you still can compress and lower gain of the low end.

Extremely scooped metal sounds (Todd can you hear me wink.gif ) can be nearly impossible to fit in a mix, although they can probably be really cool as rhythm guitar sound for extreme music. Simply because they don't contain much midrange at all - so when you cut away the bass there is not much left, except for some high end.

* Once problematic bass frequencies are removed, you can use your ears to EQ the different takes to make them sound coherent. An even easier option is to use an EQ match plugin. This kind of plugin allows you choose one take which sits well in the mix as a reference, and then EQ match all others against it (so they will sound similar).

* Tweak some reverb(s) and/or delay(s) and have them as send effects. This allows you to apply them on as many tracks as you want without draining your computer, and you will only need to do tweaks once for all the tracks which use the effect. Applying the same reverb/delay on all the takes is a very powerful tool to make them - and the mix - sound coherent. This is also why it's so important to get dry tracks - so you're not stuck with someone else's reverb on one track.

Also I want to say that it's extremely rewarding to mix and arrange these kind of collabs - after this kind of challenge you will find it's a piece of cake to write your next song. Because you need to be very creative and realistic (= sacrifice your darlings) to pull it off.

Can't wait to see how this works out! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Taka Perry Oct 9 2014, 12:14 AM

Awesome, thanks Kris! I think it'll be a lot of fun putting this together.

I worked a bit on the solo side of things, and was playing around with something like this.

 Fusing_take_2___Taka.mp3 ( 2.49MB ) : 98

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 9 2014, 04:18 AM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Oct 8 2014, 04:19 PM) *
Extremely scooped metal sounds (Todd can you hear me wink.gif ) can be nearly impossible to fit in a mix, although they can probably be really cool as rhythm guitar sound for extreme music. Simply because they don't contain much midrange at all - so when you cut away the bass there is not much left, except for some high end.


Hey now!! smile.gif hehehehe. yeah yeah, I know, more midrange!! Got it smile.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 9 2014, 08:04 PM

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Oct 8 2014, 11:14 PM) *
Awesome, thanks Kris! I think it'll be a lot of fun putting this together.

I worked a bit on the solo side of things, and was playing around with something like this.

 Fusing_take_2___Taka.mp3 ( 2.49MB ) : 98


I like the mellow side of Taka! smile.gif Great tone - such a warm sound in the first phrases and twoards the you somehow reminded me of Mike Oldfield - his vibrato is similar to the one you used. A bit rushed, but nice smile.gif You could widen the vibrato of course, but in this context it has a certain something which I would not change... What do you think? Hope it's ok if I post my take tomorrow, I will try to record tonite, but I can barely keep my eyes open sad.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 9 2014, 08:41 PM

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Oct 9 2014, 01:14 AM) *
Awesome, thanks Kris! I think it'll be a lot of fun putting this together.

I worked a bit on the solo side of things, and was playing around with something like this.

 Fusing_take_2___Taka.mp3 ( 2.49MB ) : 98


Cool, this is much better!

I won't give you any more pointers now. At this point forget everything I have told you and use your intuition to try and make this mix as cool as possible. After all, this is your collab and backing - and you have already done a great job.

Posted by: Jim S. Oct 9 2014, 11:18 PM

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Oct 8 2014, 07:14 PM) *
Awesome, thanks Kris! I think it'll be a lot of fun putting this together.

I worked a bit on the solo side of things, and was playing around with something like this.

 Fusing_take_2___Taka.mp3 ( 2.49MB ) : 98


Taka Nice Take, I like the restraint and the tone. One thing I thought might be cool sounding is a harmonization of the second set of notes. Either way it sounds good!

I'm under the gun here and hope to get you my files on time. Hopefully

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 10 2014, 08:24 AM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Oct 9 2014, 07:41 PM) *
Cool, this is much better!

I won't give you any more pointers now. At this point forget everything I have told you and use your intuition to try and make this mix as cool as possible. After all, this is your collab and backing - and you have already done a great job.


This is one of the most Zen like concepts smile.gif Forget about everything you know and act as the instinct dictates - once you have really practiced and researched enough, in order to imbue the knowledge into your reflexes, your body and mind will act accordingly to the given situation.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 10 2014, 01:35 PM

Hello, ye merry gentlemen! Here's my take on the collab containing video, mp3 with the context and the solo wav track smile.gif They can be downloaded from this link here: http://we.tl/rh8vU328o0

Thank you Taka for organizing this it's an honor to participate alongside everyone, as usual!!

Posted by: Taka Perry Oct 14 2014, 08:36 AM

Hello everyone!

Thank you for everyone so far that has submitted their take. If you haven't, don't panic, just get it to me as soon as you can! Sorry I was away for a few days, but I have received and downloaded all the takes that you guys have sent, and they are all sounding so fabulous. I can't wait to get all these takes in so I can start putting them together into a mix. smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 14 2014, 01:24 PM

Hey Taka!! You have a PM! Check it out. wink.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 14 2014, 01:49 PM

Great to hear everything is on track, Taka! Hardly waiting to see this one come to life biggrin.gif

PS: you can cut my feet from the video, if you don't like my white socks biggrin.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Oct 14 2014, 02:36 PM

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Oct 14 2014, 03:36 AM) *
Hello everyone!

Thank you for everyone so far that has submitted their take. If you haven't, don't panic, just get it to me as soon as you can! Sorry I was away for a few days, but I have received and downloaded all the takes that you guys have sent, and they are all sounding so fabulous. I can't wait to get all these takes in so I can start putting them together into a mix. smile.gif


All that I can say is tonight I have a date with a tripod, freshly carved pumpkin and a pumpkin beer! This will be my 6th take?

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 14 2014, 02:42 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Oct 14 2014, 01:36 PM) *
All that I can say is tonight I have a date with a tripod, freshly carved pumpkin and a pumpkin beer! This will be my 6th take?


Hey Jim - looks like Taka gave us some more time wink.gif I think that it would be great if you could record and join too!

Posted by: Jim S. Oct 14 2014, 05:56 PM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Oct 14 2014, 09:42 AM) *
Hey Jim - looks like Taka gave us some more time wink.gif I think that it would be great if you could record and join too!


Haha what do you think the tripod is for? Wish me good playing tonight.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 14 2014, 07:21 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Oct 14 2014, 04:56 PM) *
Haha what do you think the tripod is for? Wish me good playing tonight.


I was thinking about that actually biggrin.gif Is the pumpkin beer helping?

Posted by: Jim S. Oct 14 2014, 08:26 PM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Oct 14 2014, 02:21 PM) *
I was thinking about that actually biggrin.gif Is the pumpkin beer helping?


I'm not sure yet, I'll probably have my pumpkin beer for the video editing process. Sometimes beer can dull you sometimes it's rocket fuel. Not worth the risk homie...

Posted by: Taka Perry Oct 15 2014, 04:31 AM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Oct 14 2014, 10:49 PM) *
Great to hear everything is on track, Taka! Hardly waiting to see this one come to life biggrin.gif

PS: you can cut my feet from the video, if you don't like my white socks biggrin.gif


Loved your take Cosmin! There's nothing wrong with white socks though wink.gif Even guitarists wear socks, right? biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Oct 14 2014, 11:36 PM) *
All that I can say is tonight I have a date with a tripod, freshly carved pumpkin and a pumpkin beer! This will be my 6th take?


Sounds like a romantic date, Jim! I'm looking forward to hearing your take. I don't like pumpkin, but I'm confident I'm going to love your take, from the progress you've posted up on here. smile.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 15 2014, 07:09 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Oct 14 2014, 07:26 PM) *
I'm not sure yet, I'll probably have my pumpkin beer for the video editing process. Sometimes beer can dull you sometimes it's rocket fuel. Not worth the risk homie...


I stopped using fuel on stage since 2005, when I had one too many and I felt like a God onstage, but when I listened to the recording... I felt ashamed and I only have a pint, after the gig - that's the best way wink.gif How's the take coming along?

Posted by: Jim S. Oct 15 2014, 12:56 PM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Oct 15 2014, 02:09 AM) *
I stopped using fuel on stage since 2005, when I had one too many and I felt like a God onstage, but when I listened to the recording... I felt ashamed and I only have a pint, after the gig - that's the best way wink.gif How's the take coming along?


I'm really not sure how it went. There was much trouble setting up the video and pissing around with angles. That took away from my playing but I did finish the recording atleast. I did not listen to it yet today so Im hoping to not be too shocked by mistakes. If I remember correctly the ending picking run was very hard to play because of the hours of playing before hand. By the time I got to the end my hands and mind were in a bit of a funk.

Did not finish the video yet but here are the recordings.

Posted by: Jim S. Oct 16 2014, 12:31 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Oct 15 2014, 07:56 AM) *
I'm really not sure how it went. There was much trouble setting up the video and pissing around with angles. That took away from my playing but I did finish the recording atleast. I did not listen to it yet today so Im hoping to not be too shocked by mistakes. If I remember correctly the ending picking run was very hard to play because of the hours of playing before hand. By the time I got to the end my hands and mind were in a bit of a funk.

Did not finish the video yet but here are the recordings.


So I'm working on the video and it's looking really awesome. One reason is that when I shot my video I never hit record a couple times during the shoot and none of the video matches with some parts so i took pieces from a video from Thursday which was great lighting and quality and mixed it with the pumpkin carvings. I'm learning about screen blend mode and it can make your video have more dimensions or blurs. I'm also fixing a couple things with the audio.

IThis seems I'm taking the Halloween idea and turned it into a theme. This is gonna be nuts.

Posted by: Jim S. Oct 16 2014, 03:42 AM

Here is the updated files

Video https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxlkwhT7h637WkdLbGZjU2p6d1E/view?usp=sharing

The use of the effects is mainly because the lack of footage. It seems that when i did my recording session some of the times the record button was never pressed so most of this video is the best fit and not the actual footage.




Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 16 2014, 08:37 AM

Hey Jimmy!

I like the take very much and I think you did a nice job with the video concept as well biggrin.gif Indeed, that run could be more refined and maybe the tone could be a bit cleaner, but otherwise, I think that the final result came out very nice! You should practice that run some more, as it's pretty good to use in other contexts as well, maybe with a mod or two, depending on the situation wink.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Oct 16 2014, 06:20 PM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Oct 16 2014, 03:37 AM) *
Hey Jimmy!

I like the take very much and I think you did a nice job with the video concept as well biggrin.gif Indeed, that run could be more refined and maybe the tone could be a bit cleaner, but otherwise, I think that the final result came out very nice! You should practice that run some more, as it's pretty good to use in other contexts as well, maybe with a mod or two, depending on the situation wink.gif


Cosmin Thanks!

Yeah unfortunately I ran out of time and didn't get out the lines that I spent so much time on. There were probably 10-15 different licks and also rhythm parts that never made the video. im thinking about taking a closer look at the licks tgat gave me trouble and practice the crap out of them. I believe that's the kind of licks I imagine myself to play during improv.

Btw I've wanted to hear your take for some days but never near a computer long enough to remember. Hopefully soon though...

Posted by: Taka Perry Oct 16 2014, 10:39 PM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Oct 16 2014, 12:42 PM) *
Here is the updated files

Video https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxlkwhT7h637WkdLbGZjU2p6d1E/view?usp=sharing

The use of the effects is mainly because the lack of footage. It seems that when i did my recording session some of the times the record button was never pressed so most of this video is the best fit and not the actual footage.



Hey, Jim, I'm loving the video and the incorporation of Halloween themes! I think you've spent a lot of time working on this solo, so I think you should be really happy with yourself! This is gonna sound fantastic in the mix smile.gif

Would you possibly mind uploading the guitar only file as a 16-bit WAV file? Ableton doesn't seem to play too nicely with MP3's. smile.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 17 2014, 08:05 AM

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Oct 16 2014, 05:20 PM) *
Cosmin Thanks!

Yeah unfortunately I ran out of time and didn't get out the lines that I spent so much time on. There were probably 10-15 different licks and also rhythm parts that never made the video. im thinking about taking a closer look at the licks tgat gave me trouble and practice the crap out of them. I believe that's the kind of licks I imagine myself to play during improv.

Btw I've wanted to hear your take for some days but never near a computer long enough to remember. Hopefully soon though...


So, all is not lost - correct? wink.gif Even though you didn't manage to implement them in the video, you actually managed to build up a serious lick database! Practice them and make sure you can implement them in as many musical contexts as possible!

We'll hear all the takes together as soon as Taka will take care of the mix smile.gif But you can find my files here: http://we.tl/rh8vU328o0

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 18 2014, 04:38 AM

Wait for me!!!! smile.gif Can we have a brief extension? I"m not finished!! Pretty please!

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 18 2014, 07:18 AM

Here is a preview of my solo smile.gif I used the RC8X with the new EMG 57-8 in the bridge. I"m recording using only a laptop and the guitar! I'm using a connect cable from the xbox game ROCKMASTER to capture in to the computer and using EZ MIX 2, Metal Gods expansion for the guitar tone.

IT's a very simple, very portable rig. Just the laptop, a guitar, one usb cable and headphones. Nothing else required and I can track, mix, etc. Granted, the headphones are not idea for mixing but I'm very happy with the quality smile.gif

I was using this rig to build some new patches for CHOPTONES and thought I'd try to use it for a collab and it works great. I can take it anywhere and have everything I need to record. Spiff!!

https://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/emg-57-8-bridge-dean-rusty-cooley-rc8x

HERE IS THE GUITAR ONLY FILE (
starting from zero with silence at first then the solo. Should be able to drop in timeline)
 Todd_NO_BACKING.mp3 ( 5.72MB ) : 79


HERE IS THE GUITAR WITH BACKING FOR REFERNCE
 Todd_WITH_BACKING.mp3 ( 5.72MB ) : 155


HERE IS A LINK TO THE FULL VIDEO FILE DOWNLOAD ON DROPBOX.com
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2761041/FusingGenresProjectFinal.mov

VIDEO PREVIEW smile.gif


Todd

I love the way the emg 57 looks with the pole pieces smile.gif Also dig how it sounds.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 18 2014, 02:38 PM

Hey Todd! Nice lines mate and also a very interesting idea regarding recording smile.gif Let's wait for Taka as he is the one leading this one, but if you ask me, a vid would most likely be welcome as soon as possible wink.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 18 2014, 06:22 PM

Great idea Todd! I like the tone that you've got with that Gear. It's awesome how simple a recording set up can be nowadays. What driver are you using to avoid latency? Asio4all?


Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 18 2014, 06:41 PM

I am on a Mac so no extra driver is needed smile.gif I set the samples very low in LOGIC, that was about it. I didn't get any lag that I could hear which is nice. The input cable is the one that comes with the video game rock master so it's just usb on one side, guitar plug on the other. Very simple smile.gif

USing EZ MIX 2 Guitar Gods for tone. It's just a preset, you don't get to tweak very much, just pick and play wink.gif


QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 18 2014, 01:22 PM) *
Great idea Todd! I like the tone that you've got with that Gear. It's awesome how simple a recording set up can be nowadays. What driver are you using to avoid latency? Asio4all?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 18 2014, 06:57 PM

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Oct 18 2014, 02:41 PM) *
I am on a Mac so no extra driver is needed smile.gif I set the samples very low in LOGIC, that was about it. I didn't get any lag that I could hear which is nice. The input cable is the one that comes with the video game rock master so it's just usb on one side, guitar plug on the other. Very simple smile.gif

USing EZ MIX 2 Guitar Gods for tone. It's just a preset, you don't get to tweak very much, just pick and play wink.gif



Interesting stuff Todd! I'm not an apple user, but I think that this same idea could be applied to pc using asio4all drivers. I'll search for a similar input cable to have a more portable recording system.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 18 2014, 07:42 PM

I'm sure it would work for PC as well smile.gif same bits

1.)laptop
2.)Daw (reaper)
3.)guitar plugin (I used ezmix2 but anything would work)
4.)USB to guitar plug cable.

Lots of folks make those cables. Behringer makes one too for $35. They are very cheap to buy and allow you to record without any external recording interface/sound card. Also very quiet connection as it's directly digital/usb.

ALESIS makes one for about $50

http://alesis.com/guitarlink

Todd

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 18 2014, 01:57 PM) *
Interesting stuff Todd! I'm not an apple user, but I think that this same idea could be applied to pc using asio4all drivers. I'll search for a similar input cable to have a more portable recording system.

Posted by: Taka Perry Oct 19 2014, 02:13 AM

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Oct 18 2014, 04:18 PM) *
Here is a preview of my solo smile.gif I used the RC8X with the new EMG 57-8 in the bridge. I"m recording using only a laptop and the guitar! I'm using a connect cable from the xbox game ROCKMASTER to capture in to the computer and using EZ MIX 2, Metal Gods expansion for the guitar tone.

IT's a very simple, very portable rig. Just the laptop, a guitar, one usb cable and headphones. Nothing else required and I can track, mix, etc. Granted, the headphones are not idea for mixing but I'm very happy with the quality smile.gif

I was using this rig to build some new patches for CHOPTONES and thought I'd try to use it for a collab and it works great. I can take it anywhere and have everything I need to record. Spiff!!

https://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/emg-57-8-bridge-dean-rusty-cooley-rc8x

Now I just need to make a vid! When do you guys need it by?

Todd

I love the way the emg 57 looks with the pole pieces smile.gif Also dig how it sounds.


Todd, I'm really liking the mixture of melodic and rhythmic elements in this one. Sounds like you can get some crazy tone out of your setup! I thoroughly enjoyed it! smile.gif It's gonna fit in really nicely with the rest of the mix. (In progress at the moment wink.gif )

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 19 2014, 02:18 AM

Cool smile.gif I will upload the guitar only file here as well. I plan to shoot the video on monday if that works?

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Oct 18 2014, 09:13 PM) *
Todd, I'm really liking the mixture of melodic and rhythmic elements in this one. Sounds like you can get some crazy tone out of your setup! I thoroughly enjoyed it! smile.gif It's gonna fit in really nicely with the rest of the mix. (In progress at the moment wink.gif )


Posted by: Taka Perry Oct 19 2014, 02:29 AM

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Oct 19 2014, 11:18 AM) *
Cool smile.gif I will upload the guitar only file here as well. I plan to shoot the video on monday if that works?


Yeah, no problem at all, Todd. smile.gif Thanks so much! smile.gif

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 19 2014, 03:22 AM

I put the files in the post above with the sound cloud preview. Video to follow!

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Oct 18 2014, 09:29 PM) *
Yeah, no problem at all, Todd. smile.gif Thanks so much! smile.gif



Thanks!! the laptop and guitar and headphones makes a really easy setup!!

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Oct 18 2014, 09:38 AM) *
Hey Todd! Nice lines mate and also a very interesting idea regarding recording smile.gif Let's wait for Taka as he is the one leading this one, but if you ask me, a vid would most likely be welcome as soon as possible wink.gif


Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 19 2014, 09:52 AM

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Oct 19 2014, 02:22 AM) *
Thanks!! the laptop and guitar and headphones makes a really easy setup!!


It's interesting to have good logistic when traveling and when in need to record guitars - I travel pretty often lately and that's good reason to have a small setup which can help me record even when I am abroad. I will take yours into consideration for sure smile.gif

Posted by: Taka Perry Nov 1 2014, 01:48 PM

Hey there guys, quick update! I've been fairly busy with life in general, and haven't yet found the time to sit down properly and put this collab together. I promise I'll get to it as soon as time allows me to.

Also, Kris, were you planning on sending and video footage of your take? Or did you want to keep it audio only?

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Nov 1 2014, 03:13 PM

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Nov 1 2014, 02:48 PM) *
Also, Kris, were you planning on sending and video footage of your take? Or did you want to keep it audio only?

I will record video when you're finished with the mix (and I know how you have used the vocal audio). Looking forward to hear this one will turn out!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 1 2014, 06:53 PM

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Nov 1 2014, 12:48 PM) *
Hey there guys, quick update! I've been fairly busy with life in general, and haven't yet found the time to sit down properly and put this collab together. I promise I'll get to it as soon as time allows me to.

Also, Kris, were you planning on sending and video footage of your take? Or did you want to keep it audio only?


No worries matey smile.gif It's more important to have it done properly than to rush it for the sake of finishing things - I'm telling you from experience wink.gif

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Nov 19 2014, 06:02 PM

Hey Taka, just a heads-up you have got files in your messenger! wink.gif

Posted by: Todd Simpson Nov 19 2014, 07:06 PM

Any update on this one TAKA? Looking forward to hearing it smile.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 20 2014, 01:54 PM

Hey bro - I am curious too smile.gif If you have a busy time, just let us know, it's no biggie, but I would definitely like to see this finished as I loved the backing and the whole vibe! Thank you!

Posted by: Taka Perry Nov 22 2014, 05:35 AM

Hello there, I am currently rendering the final copy as I type this. Sorry for the long wait, but it is coming very very soon! smile.gif

Posted by: Taka Perry Nov 22 2014, 06:22 AM

Wait for it....

.....

.....




HERE IT IS!!!!

Sorry for the massive delay everyone! I had a sudden influx of school assessment come in, so I finally was able to mix everything in yesterday. Anyway, I hope you're all as happy as I am with the result of this collaboration, and I'd just like to say thank you for participating, it was a truly great time putting together these videos smile.gif

Share this around! wink.gif

Posted by: Rhida Nov 22 2014, 07:01 AM

Congrats for putting all these great parts together.
And everyone had a spot to really shine here.
Excellent! smile.gif

Posted by: huargo Nov 22 2014, 11:17 AM

Yes!

Piel de gallina!!!!
Well done Taka. And well done to all the players!


thanks again Taka!

Posted by: kiendop Nov 22 2014, 01:07 PM

Very nice Taka, loved it rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Todd Simpson Nov 22 2014, 04:53 PM

Nice!!! this might be my fave collab ever! I love how you actually used everyone's long form solo ( or so it seemed) sometimes the solos get chopped in to such small sections that the flavor of the phrasing can get easily lost. Super job everyone especially TAKA! smile.gif

Todd

QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Nov 22 2014, 01:22 AM) *
Wait for it....

.....

.....




HERE IT IS!!!!

Sorry for the massive delay everyone! I had a sudden influx of school assessment come in, so I finally was able to mix everything in yesterday. Anyway, I hope you're all as happy as I am with the result of this collaboration, and I'd just like to say thank you for participating, it was a truly great time putting together these videos smile.gif

Share this around! wink.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 22 2014, 09:13 PM

Hey Taka! I loved it too! I think that everyone did a great job here and the backing had a lot to do with the inspiration I'm sure. Kris' contribution with the vocals sure added a special flavor! biggrin.gif

I agree with Todd, but sometimes, the resulted video would be too long and chances are that the whole concept and the musicality would be lost - I guess there's a mid ground that should be found?

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Nov 23 2014, 12:18 AM

The more I listen to this the better it gets - you certainly hit the nail in terms of balancing musicality vs amount of musical content (as discussed it is tricky to make lots of notes/takes sound good, so typically we chop collabs up to make them as musical as possible).

So - very well done Taka. I also think you managed to improve the musicality of your own lines immensely comparing to the first version you showed us. I hope you can notice some improvement on your end? You definitely deserve it! smile.gif

I also think you did a great job fattening up my vocals, would you mind telling us how you mixed them and what plugins you used?

Posted by: Monica Gheorghevici Nov 23 2014, 08:12 AM

Very nice Taka, congrats!!! smile.gif


QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Nov 22 2014, 03:53 PM) *
sometimes the solos get chopped in to such small sections that the flavor of the phrasing can get easily lost.
Todd

I'm totally agree with you but also I think that a very long mix can became boring (not for us, for the listeners) even all of the solos sounds amazing. I guess it must be find a balance, because if it's too short it sound like a teaser or too many takes overlapping can destroy the main idea and also the musicality.
Also let's be fair and honest, you can't use 5 notes from a take and 30 sec from other take without to upset somebody. You can have an amazing result if you do that but what is the solution to avoid this harsh choice? I can find plenty solutions but probably the idea for the final result differs from one person to another. For my personal taste, I want a good mix not very short, but made definitely to keep the musicality at a high level wink.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 23 2014, 09:19 AM

Monica is right - in respect to the content and the backing, there always has to be a balance in what regards the final mix - it's never easy to get everyone to be pleased, but musicality should be the leading factor in the decision making process of such a project. Tough one indeed, but hey, that's why we do them monthly, so that everyone who's in will often get a chance to shine out there!

As you know - the most important aspect is... participate biggrin.gif

Posted by: Taka Perry Nov 23 2014, 10:20 PM

I'm really glad that you're all liking it as much as I do! I think everybody's solo fit in really nicely, and Kris' vocals gave the whole collaboration a really nice touch smile.gif
I think playing everybody's solo take in its entirety was good because it allows their musicial vision to come through unaltered smile.gif

Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Nov 23 2014, 10:21 PM

Great job Taka - I really enjoyed listening to this one (on repeat). I think everyone involved did an amazing job and the result is very musical. Congratulations to all of you! wink.gif

Posted by: Jim S. Nov 24 2014, 12:02 AM

Bravo! Nice playing everyone this turned out pretty good. I'm kicking myself for putting out that video but I was way over the time limit anyway.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Nov 24 2014, 03:00 AM

It's not easy to put something like this together and keep it sounding musical so very well done on that!!! Also you found a way to use longer takes and keep the phrasing in tact while keeping the overall musicality of the piece in tact. For that alone you should win some kind of award!! smile.gif

This is a great addition to our collab history here and I"m sure it will influence all the ones that follow. Well done Taka smile.gif


Toddd



QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Nov 23 2014, 05:20 PM) *
I'm really glad that you're all liking it as much as I do! I think everybody's solo fit in really nicely, and Kris' vocals gave the whole collaboration a really nice touch smile.gif
I think playing everybody's solo take in its entirety was good because it allows their musicial vision to come through unaltered smile.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 24 2014, 10:49 AM

I want to congratulate Taka for the initiative once again smile.gif I think he did a great job and the fact that he took responsibility to work on such a demanding project, shows that he is well on his way of becoming a pro. Hats off, my friend!

Posted by: Taka Perry Nov 26 2014, 06:03 AM

Thank you for your kind words everyone! It was a pleasure to do this, and it was a great way to bring the community together smile.gif

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 27 2014, 08:51 AM

When will you begin the next one? smile.gif tongue.gif I super like your backing tracks - they have that electronic vibe which spices things up and makes the music more dreamy/ambiental!

Posted by: Taka Perry Nov 28 2014, 04:03 AM

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Nov 27 2014, 05:51 PM) *
When will you begin the next one? smile.gif tongue.gif I super like your backing tracks - they have that electronic vibe which spices things up and makes the music more dreamy/ambiental!


Hopefully another one during my summer break! (Southern hemishpere) I have no school until February, so I'm planning to get a lot of stuff done through it smile.gif)

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 28 2014, 08:24 AM

Wow! Sounds good to me biggrin.gif To be honest, when I first read the word 'summer' I was thinking - 'Heheee, there's a long way till June next year' laugh.gif

Well, we'll be ready when the time comes smile.gif

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