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GMC Forum _ PRACTICE ROOM _ Staff, Pls Have A Look, I Have A Suggestion
Posted by: Salivtomte Aug 6 2007, 12:47 AM
As i was practicing today, something that appealed to me as both an easy and inovative way of improving the video lessons, came to my mind.
I was looking down at my hands while practincing som alternatepicking when i realised that i'd just found the ultimate videoview for video lessons, no matter the content.
Simply adding a camera angle that would show either the freatboard/lefthand(righthandforlefthandedtechersofcourse!), the picking hand or both, shown from the eyes of the teacher!
I think students would benefit more from the videos if such an agnle was added for a couple of reasons:
1. Most naturall, and understandable view
This is the one view that all of us, naturally, are most used watching since this is the angle we are using while practincing, seeing our own hands giggeling around the freatboard, IMO this view makes the teachers playing much easier to compare with ones own playing etc. I dont think i need the explain this one any further, think most of u get the point 
2 Adding an additional element of techniqual understanding
Yes, wich other view does show the movement and position of the finger most used in guitarplaying, the thumb!(if u can refer to the thumb as a finger). The position of the thumb is, as far as i know one of the most essential substances of a good technique. I think less GMC'ers would risk ending up with various bad habbits that you are in danger of adding to your play without having a correct thumb position.
3 Cause no other videosites offer this view
Wich simply equals more ppl will be interested in becoming GMC members, wich simply equals[$$$$$$$$]!!
Here are 2 samples:
Ofcourse i realise that this would make the creating of lesson videos a little harder for the teachers, but that just might would be worth the effort mounting the camera above the guitar, somehow either atached to the instructor or to something right next to him, but it am sure this matter could be worked out some how, i think it might be worth it.
Hope ya'll like my idea, sure somebody else had the idea before me, but i couldnt keep it for myself:D
Good luck with your practicing etc //Salivtomte
Posted by: ibanezkiller Aug 6 2007, 01:14 AM
That would be nifty
Posted by: Hungus Aug 6 2007, 02:01 AM
I think thats a pretty cool idea but to be honest I think you actually get a better idea of whats going on from the front view as you can see everything but when its top down like that you cant really see everything too well. Its fine looking down like that when your playing yourself (not like you have much choice) but you can just feel and know where your hands are...
Posted by: Pavel Aug 6 2007, 10:31 AM
You know it may be even a good idea but there is no way i can mount my camera that way. I don't have a SHRED CAM 
(have to contact Troy Grady to send me one) so mounting a regular digital camera is impossible to get a crisp and clean picture.
Posted by: Wallimann Aug 6 2007, 02:51 PM
I agree that the view would be killer..
But it I think it would require a lot more work/gear to film that way. At least for me...
Unless someone comes up with a great idea?
Posted by: ZakkWylde Aug 6 2007, 02:58 PM
Our teachers just have to tape their cams onto or on the side of their heads
Posted by: Pavel Aug 6 2007, 03:50 PM
It's impossible to do without extra equipment so i guess we'll stick to the current format for now! 
Posted by: Salivtomte Aug 6 2007, 03:53 PM
I guess its hard to do it by urselves, but if any of u staffmembers would happen to have firends (joke
) than it would be possible for him/her to film the desired camera angle, although the site is great as it is
Posted by: Pavel Aug 6 2007, 04:47 PM
I really don't plan on asking a friend of mine to come to my house and hold a camera STEADY for me to record another lesson!! Not a good idea!
Posted by: The Uncreator Aug 6 2007, 05:07 PM
Get one of those lamps with a long neck that you can twist around and stuff, and tape teh cam to the shade, and bend the camera over your shoulder lol.
It would be a cool view, but i myself prefer the front.
Posted by: Pavel Aug 6 2007, 05:15 PM
It's all cool but come on guys be real! Taping a 400$ cam?? Yeah, right!
Also if only you knew the conditions i record in - i don't have 1 meter of free space when i set all up for recording so i sure won't be able to do it in near future!
Posted by: Anomaly Aug 6 2007, 08:05 PM
And it would be nice to have both views filmed at the same time, to see how the instructors look like with the camera like that.
The suggested view would be nice, but isn't it also our goal to learn to play without looking at our hands at all (except maybe every once in a while just because you haven't got anything better to look at)?
(To encourage us, maybe the instructors could blindfold the camera
)
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Aug 6 2007, 08:34 PM
)I can't do it then...nobody likes me!
No seriously this is a very good suggestion - I have tried this angle but it didn't work with my light setup. However, I am sure that if I hade been a little more persistent I could have done it. + You managed to do it with your still camera - so I can't be impossible.
If an instructor would like to try this - we could probably find some room for extra comission!
Posted by: Pavel Aug 7 2007, 07:14 PM
Simply adding a camera angle that would show either the freatboard/lefthand(righthandforlefthandedtechersofcourse!), the picking hand or both, shown from the eyes of the teacher!
I think students would benefit more from the videos if such an agnle was added for a couple of reasons:
1. Most naturall, and understandable view
This is the one view that all of us, naturally, are most used watching since this is the angle we are using while practincing, seeing our own hands giggeling around the freatboard, IMO this view makes the teachers playing much easier to compare with ones own playing etc. I dont think i need the explain this one any further, think most of u get the point
I spent 2 hours today trying to set the camera to at least 50% close view! First of all - it's not simple at all! Second thing is - you can't mount the camera on your nose! And third thing is - camera stands have 3 feet/legs so if you somehow manage to put the camera in the needed angle - you can't sit next to it and you can't capture more than first 10 frets.
Making a picture with digital camera using right hand is one thing - but setting up a camera on a stand inside you is a different thing!
And my question is - is it really that difficult to follow what we are playing in slowed down videos?
Posted by: Salivtomte Aug 7 2007, 08:37 PM
Ok, here is my answer, seeing WHAT you are playing is not important for me since i try to pick it all out by ear, what is interesting is the position of your hands. I want to adapt my hands to have the same lush small movements as you teachers have, since that is what we are all here fighting for. And its not that big overall view that is interesting, its all the small details that atleast i am curious about, like "How does is right hand rest at the bridge to pick that fast?" "How is is left hand positioned to make that cool 1and1/2 step bend with screaming wibrato" "How does he move is thumb on the back of that neck to make his fingers move that confident?"
I'm learning ALOT way it is, ive been member for like a week and ive improved far better than i could do on my own
And if any teacher would try and make a lesson with new angels that would only be a great bonus, and it's iam forcing any one to try and do it, i respect everyone for not beeing able due to techniqual problems, but it would be cool to see whats going on from your view!
Posted by: Pavel Aug 7 2007, 08:44 PM
Marcus said he's gonna give it a shot so maybe he'll be more successful trying to set the camera! Let's wait and see!
Btw. i was learning to play by instructionals with angles just like these and to be honest never needed extra angle. I was just trying to imitate the movements those shredders where doing and now i got them. There are always some pros and cons in both live teacher and online video lessons - nothing can be perfect!
Keep rockin'!
Posted by: Pavel Aug 9 2007, 03:21 PM
Ok, here is my new shot and i think this one is pretty successful so take a look and comment please (don't comment my clothes, cables or anything - just the angles and what you see because all the details will be fixed in the lessons videos):
New_Angles.avi ( 3.66MB )
: 258
What do you say about these angles??
Posted by: JVM Aug 9 2007, 09:14 PM
Those are awesome angles pavel!
Posted by: Salivtomte Aug 10 2007, 12:28 AM
New_Angles.avi ( 3.66MB )
: 258What do you say about these angles??
Thats exactly what i was looking for, thats such a great seeing what your thumb is doing, and how your right palm moves over the bridge, really cool you made it
It's really nice to see your playing in action from your own view, you are both creative and talented (and naked?) thc alot pavel, your work is highly apriciated
cheershow did you manage to create that view?
Posted by: Pavel Aug 10 2007, 12:33 AM
i am not naked but you can't see the shorts because of the guitar
Don't ask me how i pulled this off...phew...i am REALLY glad you liked it so now i will put it in my lessons! It is now really LOADS of work to prepare 1 lesson but i hope it will be worth it!
Posted by: Nick325 Aug 10 2007, 12:37 AM
i cant view the sample. it loads and then theres a box with a circle square and triangle.
Posted by: Pavel Aug 10 2007, 12:53 AM
Did you download a video??
Posted by: Nick325 Aug 10 2007, 01:30 AM
when i clicked it i said wat happened above. but when i downloaded it like you said i just heard what you played in Windows media player instead of the video.
Posted by: aerohit Aug 10 2007, 02:07 AM
Dude WMP is probably the worst thing to play something. Try VLC player. Its free and can play almost any format.
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Aug 10 2007, 08:43 AM
Pavel I am in awe - very well done!
Salivtomte: Our forum has to have some kind of high score in "responded requests" - don't you think?!
Posted by: Pavel Aug 10 2007, 09:04 AM
I bet you don't have the required codecs to view the vid! It's compressed with XVid if i am not wrong so u need the XVid codec installed! To view it properly! I view it with WMP and have no problems!
Kris: Thanks! You're right - i guess we do have lot's of responded requests here! Both in lessons requests and GMC improvement! Good job!
Posted by: JVM Aug 10 2007, 09:11 AM
Kris: Thanks! You're right - i guess we do have lot's of responded requests here! Both in lessons requests and GMC improvement! Good job!
Pavel! Calm! Down!
Just kidding, but yes, you guys are doing an awesome job of giving us what we want and need, thats why GMC is the best!
Actually I saw a site earlier today, and I had a look at their pricing model, which is $19.95 per month. It then compared to other things, like in-person lessons, instructional dvds, etc and tried to justify the 19.95.
It was like other sites cost $20-$40 dollars! We only cost 20! Other sites have 1-3 teachers, we have SIX! (I don't know where they got 1-3). New lessons, us: WEEKLY! other sites: sometimes. Teacher interaction: us: yes, video qa! other sites: none.
I seriously laughed so much, because GMC wipes the floor with this site in every category, and then some that aren't mentioned
At least twice the amount of teachers (including some who have recorded/released albums = professionals), new lessons pretty much DAILY, so much you can't keep up with it, and awesome interaction. For half the price. So there, you're doing wonderful stuff Kris
Posted by: Niels Aug 10 2007, 09:45 AM
You can also create videos while having a bad hairday!
(more material is more $$$$$ )
Posted by: JOhn Aug 10 2007, 09:56 AM
Im not sure if im the only one but i don't like this idea. Uless you actually got the perfect angle it woudn't work for the fret board because the string the kinda cover up the other ones and the lower fingers would be very hard to see. It would take a very long time to find the perfect angle and i don't really think its worth it. The way it is now is very easy to follow and i don't see the point in changing.
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Aug 10 2007, 10:37 AM
This is just an addition to what we have already got - I really don't think Pavel will remove the old view.
Posted by: blindwillie Aug 10 2007, 12:50 PM
I didn't read the whole thread. Just noted someone had a codec problem. If you need codecs, get K-Lite Codec Pack. It contains (almost) every single codec you will ever need. Get the standard or full version. The full version includes more codecs (duh) and some encoders too. Both bigger versions include MPlayer Classic which is the best media player available. Small footprint, fast, simple, configurable. Not as overgrown as WMP, not as sluggish and *unfinished* as VLC.
Search for K-Lite Codec Pack or get it here http://www.free-codecs.com/download/K_Lite_Codec_Pack.htm
Posted by: Pavel Aug 10 2007, 12:58 PM
Of course not! All angles will be included!
I must admit that picking hand is much more clearer with this TOP view angle.
Posted by: Salivtomte Aug 10 2007, 01:05 PM
Nick325. Get VLC player, thats easier and than getting all those codecs for your mediaplayer, just serach google for "VLC mediaplayer"
Pavel I guess the effort will be worth it, Kris mentioned something about it
Kris For sure this forum is a noturious request responder, no where on the internet ive ever visited a forum where the the staff has been so nice and helpfull to its users.
Most common is that an ordinary forum has an equal ratio of bans/warnings to our ratio of request responses etc, i like it that you dont have to "fear" the staff, and you are not getting ignored no matter how stupid your questions are. This site is great, just wish more of our members would be active in the forums as there is lots to learn from every one on this site it seems
Posted by: Pavel Aug 14 2007, 06:29 AM
Ok! The lesson is recorded and ready for upload so i hope it will be live by the end of the week! New angles turned out pretty good (recording and video editing took 5 hours straight + 2-3 hours backing tracks and text writing + scale diagrams - so it was a nightmare). I hope you and Kris are gonna like it!
Posted by: Victafor Aug 27 2007, 07:47 PM
New_Angles.avi ( 3.66MB )
: 258What do you say about these angles??
WOW! great angle i must say that is great... and when you said dont comment my clothes..... i didnt see any clothes except a shirt
sry but anyways the angle is good!
Posted by: Robin Aug 27 2007, 09:03 PM
Make some kind of hat and make a pocket for the camera with a hole in on the left side?
Posted by: Pavel Aug 27 2007, 09:15 PM
Yeah, something like that!
Posted by: Hungus Aug 27 2007, 09:22 PM
What about a hat like Homer wears in that episode of the simpsons where he gets hired to rat out the quickie mart (cant remember exactly what its called but that sounds like a brothel!). Im sure you could do a couple of lessons before you had to wear a neck brace...
Posted by: Juan M. Valero Aug 27 2007, 10:35 PM
I was looking down at my hands while practincing som alternatepicking when i realised that i'd just found the ultimate videoview for video lessons, no matter the content.
Simply adding a camera angle that would show either the freatboard/lefthand(righthandforlefthandedtechersofcourse!), the picking hand or both, shown from the eyes of the teacher!
I think students would benefit more from the videos if such an agnle was added for a couple of reasons:
1. Most naturall, and understandable view
This is the one view that all of us, naturally, are most used watching since this is the angle we are using while practincing, seeing our own hands giggeling around the freatboard, IMO this view makes the teachers playing much easier to compare with ones own playing etc. I dont think i need the explain this one any further, think most of u get the point
2 Adding an additional element of techniqual understanding
Yes, wich other view does show the movement and position of the finger most used in guitarplaying, the thumb!(if u can refer to the thumb as a finger). The position of the thumb is, as far as i know one of the most essential substances of a good technique. I think less GMC'ers would risk ending up with various bad habbits that you are in danger of adding to your play without having a correct thumb position.
3 Cause no other videosites offer this view
Wich simply equals more ppl will be interested in becoming GMC members, wich simply equals[$$$$$$$$]!!
Here are 2 samples:
Ofcourse i realise that this would make the creating of lesson videos a little harder for the teachers, but that just might would be worth the effort mounting the camera above the guitar, somehow either atached to the instructor or to something right next to him, but it am sure this matter could be worked out some how, i think it might be worth it.
Hope ya'll like my idea, sure somebody else had the idea before me, but i couldnt keep it for myself:D
Good luck with your practicing etc //Salivtomte
Yeah, it's a good idea
I try to incorporate this view in my last lesson, but I cannot have a tripod or something similar so I play the guitar with my right hand (tapping diredtly into the frets) and subjecting the video camera with the left !! XD
Posted by: Hardtail Aug 29 2007, 01:55 AM
Wlel to be hesont I dno't tinhk it is rlealy taht nedeed scine the huamn biran can fix wehvater it is seieng and mkae snsee of it. Seieng yuor hnad form the fornt is fnie wtih me.
Cehres!
Hardtail
Posted by: shredmandan Aug 29 2007, 02:06 AM
Cehres!
Hardtail
i agree
Posted by: Robin Aug 29 2007, 02:38 AM
Cehres!
Hardtail
Thats so awesome. You saw it on National Geographic channel aswell?
Posted by: Hardtail Aug 29 2007, 03:03 AM
Nah, an old teacher of mine in high school taught me that. I like to drop that every once in a while when people forget just how powerful and subtle the human brain can be at times.
The videos here are top notch. I would focus more on variety than more camera angles. I personally would like to see more true NOOB videos here. I wanted to use this site to supplement the lessons I am giving my nephew but he is too new for most of this stuff. Otherwise, keep up the good work staff!!!
Hardtail
Posted by: bart m Aug 29 2007, 04:40 AM
I think Marcus has provided this angle if I am not mistaken...i'm real new here, but i have checked out all of the videos at least once and i seem to remember him using an angle like that of his left hand...when i find it i'll post the link...but right now i'm supposed to be busy at work
Posted by: Pavel Aug 29 2007, 05:14 AM
I have these new angles on my last 3 lessons! I also have a right hand new angle included!
Posted by: Juan M. Valero Aug 29 2007, 05:34 AM
Cehres!
Hardtail
Oh, I unedrsantnd it !! I cnaont bleveie it
Posted by: RobM Aug 29 2007, 05:47 AM
Pavel I guess the effort will be worth it, Kris mentioned something about it
Kris For sure this forum is a noturious request responder, no where on the internet ive ever visited a forum where the the staff has been so nice and helpfull to its users.
Most common is that an ordinary forum has an equal ratio of bans/warnings to our ratio of request responses etc, i like it that you dont have to "fear" the staff, and you are not getting ignored no matter how stupid your questions are. This site is great, just wish more of our members would be active in the forums as there is lots to learn from every one on this site it seems
I also like it that GMC is such a relaxed format and you don't "have to fear the staff" I have been on so many other sites in the past where you have to fear the staff and watch ever single word that you say. The main point here is to teach people the guitar and have fun playing,
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