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Posted by: enforcer Jan 8 2009, 12:49 AM

Can - Jeremy Mtp Session Thread

Hey there Jeremy,

This was a fortunate event that we matched, as you know we were already interchanged ideas a few times now smile.gif And I am really a fan of your d.i.y amp project. smile.gif

I believe we already have a disadventage as Iowa and Istanbul has 8 hours of time difference. But with you and I checking this thread in a regular basis this can be compensated...

Well before we start I will have some questions for you.

1-What do you plan to do in music? Do you play as an hobby or you want to get serious with it?
2-What are your weakest points in your guitar playing in your opinion?
3-How much time can you spare for playing guitar in a day?
4-Are ok with listening to other kinds of music than you actually like?
5-Who is your guitar hero? (I know I asked that already in PM but for the records smile.gif )
6-Up the Irons?
7-Would you like to help me build my own amp? laugh.gif (Just kidding)
8-Are you familiar with music theory?
9-Can you easily concentrate while working on exercises or your attention easily slips away ? (This is serious as it affects the overall efficiency)
10-Do you have a suggestion about the way you'll learn better?

If you answer these questions when you have time, I'll try to suit your needs.

I am really excited about this man hope we do great!

Posted by: jer Jan 8 2009, 04:07 AM

Hey Can!!!!

Iowa... Istanbul... Music knows no time zone. smile.gif

Questions. No prob. Here we go!!!!!

1-What do you plan to do in music? Do you play as an hobby or you want to get serious with it?
I'd like to think that I am going to get serious with it. But in reality I think it'll be more of a hobby. Work, the wife, daddyhood, other hobbies. I realistically dont have enough hours in the day to look at it as a career thing.

2-What are your weakest points in your guitar playing in your opinion?
Speed. Non 4/4 timing. Playing outside of the beat. Triplets.

3-How much time can you spare for playing guitar in a day?
For our month I have dedicated an hour a day on 3 weekdays and both weekend days. Minimally. So 5 hours a week. Daily? Maybe none. Maybe an hour. Or more...

4-Are ok with listening to other kinds of music than you actually like?
Yep. No prob there. There is something useful in all music.

5-Who is your guitar hero? (I know I asked that already in PM but for the records )
Glenn Tipton from Judas Priest. His solos in "Electric Eye", "Beyond The Realms Of Death", & "Touch Of Evil" are amazing!!!! Youtube links here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVS6-sTZRhk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2i1dinm3UE&feature=PlayList&p=7E908173BB09DBA3&playnext=1&index=8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABZID8n4X60

6-Up the Irons?
HELL YEAH!!!

7-Would you like to help me build my own amp? (Just kidding)
smile.gif I couldnt do it without my buddy Dave's help. He's the brains of the outfit.

8-Are you familiar with music theory?
Yeah.

9-Can you easily concentrate while working on exercises or your attention easily slips away ? (This is serious as it affects the overall efficiency)
Yes and No. If I can see it getting put to use then the exercises can be concentrated on. If it seems like exercises for exercise sake then yeah, its tough.

10-Do you have a suggestion about the way you'll learn better?
Hmmm.... Great question. Seeing things applied. Hearing examples. Hearing music. Not exercises. I understand that exercises are needed and useful. But hearing examples of what we are working towards always helps.

Posted by: enforcer Jan 8 2009, 01:59 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 8 2009, 05:07 AM) *
Hey Can!!!!

Iowa... Istanbul... Music knows no time zone. smile.gif


I totally agree with you. Lets Rock!

QUOTE
1-What do you plan to do in music? Do you play as an hobby or you want to get serious with it?
I'd like to think that I am going to get serious with it. But in reality I think it'll be more of a hobby. Work, the wife, daddyhood, other hobbies. I realistically dont have enough hours in the day to look at it as a career thing.


Realism is good, and its really great that you can find time amongs you priorities... Also who knows, maybe you can actually get serious with it. smile.gif

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2-What are your weakest points in your guitar playing in your opinion?
Speed. Non 4/4 timing. Playing outside of the beat. Triplets.

Non 4/4 timing, triplets and playing outside of the beat are just a matter of feeling and I believe this can be accomplished rather easy. Speed, is another matter, because it requires hard work, devotion and lots of boring exercices biggrin.gif

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3-How much time can you spare for playing guitar in a day?
For our month I have dedicated an hour a day on 3 weekdays and both weekend days. Minimally. So 5 hours a week. Daily? Maybe none. Maybe an hour. Or more...

I believe a hour for five to six days of week will be adequate. I am sure as we are progressing with some enjoyable exercises you'll be amazed how you exceed the initially planned worktime smile.gif

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4-Are ok with listening to other kinds of music than you actually like?
Yep. No prob there. There is something useful in all music.

That is great, as you said there is use on anykind of music...

QUOTE
5-Who is your guitar hero? (I know I asked that already in PM but for the records )
Glenn Tipton from Judas Priest. His solos in "Electric Eye", "Beyond The Realms Of Death", & "Touch Of Evil" are amazing!!!! Youtube links here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVS6-sTZRhk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2i1dinm3UE&feature=PlayList&p=7E908173BB09DBA3&playnext=1&index=8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABZID8n4X60


I am listening to mentioned solos rightaway...

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6-Up the Irons?
HELL YEAH!!!


Hehhehehe, Iron Maiden is the first metal music I ever heard in my life. That is great we both love the same band smile.gif

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7-Would you like to help me build my own amp? (Just kidding)
smile.gif I couldnt do it without my buddy Dave's help. He's the brains of the outfit.

Well you have done a great job nevertheless smile.gif

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8-Are you familiar with music theory?
Yeah.


That is great, at least you have a basis on this, that will be easier for both of us.

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9-Can you easily concentrate while working on exercises or your attention easily slips away ? (This is serious as it affects the overall efficiency)
Yes and No. If I can see it getting put to use then the exercises can be concentrated on. If it seems like exercises for exercise sake then yeah, its tough.

10-Do you have a suggestion about the way you'll learn better?
Hmmm.... Great question. Seeing things applied. Hearing examples. Hearing music. Not exercises. I understand that exercises are needed and useful. But hearing examples of what we are working towards always helps.


Man, I'll try to do my best to show you some solo based exercises which dont look like exercises but some songs. I'll do some videos, and refer to some great videos here at GMC. I am sorry to say that at some points we'll have to focus on some boring exercises because there is no other way. But I'll try to avoid these kind of exercises whenever its possible.

Right now we are waiting for a syllabus for our lesson schedule, but we may make some preparations, today, when you get home, try to work on this solo, its a very easy one. The solo I am talking about is Metallica-Sanitorium's entry solo[0:48-1:12] and the interlude solo [2:10-2:37], just listen to it, try to see how it is played, and try to play it better than Kirk Hammet played. You will see that try to play better suggestion is not a very difficult one, as he played rather feelingless such a good solo. Try to concentrate on your vibratos and bends. Create vibratos, dont be afraid to rearrange the solo. I am sure this wont push you very hard.

Metallica Sanitorium Video on Youtube

If you have time make a video of it if not just record the mp3.

You'll find the solo tabs here (actually whole songs tabs)

http://www.fretplay.com/tabs/m/metallica/sanitarium-tab.shtml

Here is the guitar pro file, positions on it are different than the previous one, you can play it wherever you like, but try to make it sound beautiful and clean. This is all I ask from you. You can use gp file to provide you with a back track.


Good luck man biggrin.gif

Can

 welcome_home_sanitarium_ver7.gp5 ( 112.26K ) : 252
 

Posted by: jer Jan 8 2009, 02:08 PM

Sounds good. I'll tackle this tonight. I can hear the solo in my head. I'll watch the video a few times here at work too. I work at a PC in a cubicle all day so headphones are my friend. I get a lot ofusic listening done in an 8 hr day.


FYI - Tomorrow morning I leave for a out of town wedding. I wont have any time to practice until Sunday night.


Posted by: enforcer Jan 8 2009, 02:13 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 8 2009, 03:08 PM) *
Sounds good. I'll tackle this tonight. I can hear the solo in my head. I'll watch the video a few times here at work too. I work at a PC in a cubicle all day so headphones are my friend. I get a lot ofusic listening done in an 8 hr day.


FYI - Tomorrow morning I leave for a out of town wedding. I wont have any time to practice until Sunday night.



Ok man, I'll keep posting on my video and song suggestions, we are already waiting for the syllabus, so your being out of town wont hurt our progress much. Just check internet regularly and everything will be fine smile.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 8 2009, 02:21 PM

After listening to the solo: There are a couple of parts in the 2nd solo that are faster than I am comfortable with. You'll see those on the video. smile.gif

On a side note, these are the kinds of solos I absolutely love.

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I am sorry to say that at some points we'll have to focus on some boring exercises because there is no other way.
Not a problem. I know its necessary. I'll do them.

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Speed, is another matter, because it requires hard work, devotion and lots of boring exercices
Yep. I am very aware of this. Speed isnt an important part of it to me. I know its something that will build eventually as I push myself after haveing a better handle on the rest of it. Naturally being better all around will allow me to get faster with time.

Our syllabus is up: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=23238

Posted by: enforcer Jan 8 2009, 02:42 PM

Yes, I saw the syllabus now, ok np man, just keep on working on solo, I'll prepare something biggrin.gif

Ok, I checked the syllabus out man, well first weeks example is very easy,

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/beginner-strumming-and-arpeggios/

I watched your MTP Beginner application movie, and after seeing how you played intro riff of Burning Times, I am sure this wont be a problem for you smile.gif Maybe up strokes and upwards played arpeggios may be confusing in a first glance, but I am sure you can do it. Maybe tonight if it isnt overwhelming?

Muris' exercices are generally good structured and to the point. Low bpm backings will help you to memmorize the exercise and then you can gradually increase the speed to the point you play really clean and fast. Try to take a video of it so that I can make some critics biggrin.gif

Cheers
Can

Posted by: enforcer Jan 8 2009, 03:07 PM

Jeremy, one last word about the sanitorium solo's hard parts, learn the lick, then lower the tempo in gp file, then play it on time and correctly. Then after you get really familiar with that speed, increase the speed. That is the golden rule. And that is all man biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 8 2009, 03:25 PM

I checked out the 1st lesson. Beginner Strumming and Arpeggios

Yeah, I'll be able to knock that one out pretty quick. I'll shoot for getting it done tonight and also starting on the 1st solo in Sanitarium.

Posted by: Jesse Jan 8 2009, 03:31 PM

... No use in German Schlagers...



Sorry for interupting!

Posted by: enforcer Jan 8 2009, 03:32 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 8 2009, 04:25 PM) *
I checked out the 1st lesson. Beginner Strumming and Arpeggios

Yeah, I'll be able to knock that one out pretty quick. I'll shoot for getting it done tonight and also starting on the 1st solo in Sanitarium.



Great man biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 8 2009, 03:45 PM

Some questions for you too if ya don't mind.

Do you play professionally? In a band? Got a link to some music you have done?

What are the last 3 cds you listened to?

Whats the last concert you saw?

What do you hope to get out of this?

Posted by: opeth.db Jan 8 2009, 04:10 PM

QUOTE (enforcer @ Jan 8 2009, 09:07 AM) *
Jeremy, one last word about the sanitorium solo's hard parts, learn the lick, then lower the tempo in gp file, then play it on time and correctly. Then after you get really familiar with that speed, increase the speed. That is the golden rule. And that is all man biggrin.gif


Sorry for interrupting here.

Not sure if you know Can but in GP you can select an area you want to learn or have trouble with, hit F9 to open up the "speed trainer" part of GP. You can set it at a specific tempo and each run through the highlighted area it will increase by whatever BPM you set it at.

Great feature! Its been extremely helpful for me Especially with Jose's Shredding exercise. tongue.gif



Dan


Posted by: enforcer Jan 8 2009, 04:16 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 8 2009, 04:45 PM) *
Some questions for you too if ya don't mind.

Do you play professionally? In a band? Got a link to some music you have done?

What are the last 3 cds you listened to?

Whats the last concert you saw?

What do you hope to get out of this?


Yeah man, I play in a professional band called Pijama in Turkey, we did mostly covers for 4 years, and I just finished guitar parts record of our first album, but unfortunately that bands style is pop-rock, so its not actually the music I like...Well I need money to eat biggrin.gif We have same fan taken videos on youtube but these are actually low quality videos that I am not proud of.

Last 3 cds I listened to are : Pain of Salvation - Scarsick, Therion-Vovin and Ayreon-010010101

I am a real fan of Progressive/Power Rock/Metal, my favorite bands are Iron Maiden, Iced Earth, Megadeth, Pain of Salvation, Dream Theater, Therion, Blind Guardian, Tool, The Perfect Circle etc.

The last real big concert I saw was in last summer, Metallica and before that Judas Priest. That were stadium concerts. If your talking about small concerts etc, the last one was some tribute band for Bon Jovi. It was two weeks ago biggrin.gif Also last summer, I saw Whitesnake, Def Leppard, Joelynn Turner too.

Well, I seriously want to help GMC society with this, because this society is the thing I searched all my life since I started to play guitar, I am self tought, I needed guidance and I had none, but since I joined GMC I improved so vastly that I feel a need to return that favor to GMC.

Other than that, I really want we both have fun, play some songs together, and improve your playing skills while improving my teaching skills...

I think thats all man, be assured I am not here just for a competition to be tough by Muris, I am here to help you biggrin.gif

Can

QUOTE (opeth.db @ Jan 8 2009, 05:10 PM) *
Sorry for interrupting here.

Not sure if you know Can but in GP you can select an area you want to learn or have trouble with, hit F9 to open up the "speed trainer" part of GP. You can set it at a specific tempo and each run through the highlighted area it will increase by whatever BPM you set it at.

Great feature! Its been extremely helpful for me Especially with Jose's Shredding exercise. tongue.gif



Dan



Thank you Dan, I didnt know that feature man biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 8 2009, 04:20 PM

Cool.

Priest. I saw them on the Nostradamus tour as well. I actually have photos I took on KK Downings website. From the May show in St Paul MN USA.

I got to see Iced Earth 2x last year. The reunion show with Matt Barlow was the first. Then at ProgPower USA IX. AWESOME!!!!! I love IE.

Pain of Salvation. I havent heard of them. I'll check it out!

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be assured I am not here just for a competition to be tough by Muris, I am here to help you
No worries here. Teaching others is usually very useful to the teacher as well. I'm sure you'll get some good stuff out of it too. And if you do get to get some one on one time with Muris, all the better!!!

Posted by: enforcer Jan 8 2009, 04:27 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 8 2009, 05:20 PM) *
Cool.

Priest. I saw them on the Nostradamus tour as well. I actually have photos I took on KK Downings website. From the May show in St Paul MN USA.

I got to see Iced Earth 2x last year. The reunion show with Matt Barlow was the first. Then at ProgPower USA IX. AWESOME!!!!! I love IE.

Pain of Salvation. I havent heard of them. I'll check it out!

No worries here. Teaching others is usually very useful to the teacher as well. I'm sure you'll get some good stuff out of it too. And if you do get to get some one on one time with Muris, all the better!!!

Thats great man biggrin.gif

And also can you believe the relation between JP and IE and Tim Owens? Two times he replaced a great vocalist and two times he got kicked because these vocalists' return. I really feel sorry for him man biggrin.gif Plus I really think that he did a great job on Something Wicked part 1 (though I didnt like his vocals on Glorious Burden) biggrin.gif



Posted by: jer Jan 8 2009, 04:58 PM

And now he is singing for Malmsteen. Yeah, that'll last..... smile.gif

He has a solo album coming out soon. As well as his band Beyond Fear. Hopefully those will do well for him and he can leave the other stuff behind. He is an AMAZING vocalist. I've chatted with him some via email. Pretty down to earth guy. What a story him joining Priest. Tough to top that one.

I LOVED the Something Wicked Pt 1 album. Far better than Pt 2 in my opinion. I twas interesting seeing Barlow do "Ten Thousand Strong". He struggles a bit with parts of it. Owens can nail it in his sleep. Unreal...

I liked Owens on The Glorious Burden. There were some weak songs but I thought the vocals were all good. Declaration Day is an amazing song. And the Gettysburg Trilogy is amazing. I saw that tour too. They did the whole Gettysburg thing live. John in gray, their other guitarist at the time in blue. North and south flags painted on their guitars. (USA Cival War history stuff, dunno how familiar you are with that) Pretty cool.



QUOTE (enforcer @ Jan 8 2009, 09:27 AM) *
Thats great man biggrin.gif

And also can you believe the relation between JP and IE and Tim Owens? Two times he replaced a great vocalist and two times he got kicked because these vocalists' return. I really feel sorry for him man biggrin.gif Plus I really think that he did a great job on Something Wicked part 1 (though I didnt like his vocals on Glorious Burden) biggrin.gif


Posted by: enforcer Jan 8 2009, 05:24 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 8 2009, 05:58 PM) *
And now he is singing for Malmsteen. Yeah, that'll last..... smile.gif

He has a solo album coming out soon. As well as his band Beyond Fear. Hopefully those will do well for him and he can leave the other stuff behind. He is an AMAZING vocalist. I've chatted with him some via email. Pretty down to earth guy. What a story him joining Priest. Tough to top that one.

I LOVED the Something Wicked Pt 1 album. Far better than Pt 2 in my opinion. I twas interesting seeing Barlow do "Ten Thousand Strong". He struggles a bit with parts of it. Owens can nail it in his sleep. Unreal...

I liked Owens on The Glorious Burden. There were some weak songs but I thought the vocals were all good. Declaration Day is an amazing song. And the Gettysburg Trilogy is amazing. I saw that tour too. They did the whole Gettysburg thing live. John in gray, their other guitarist at the time in blue. North and south flags painted on their guitars. (USA Cival War history stuff, dunno how familiar you are with that) Pretty cool.



Thats cool man, I didnt know he was singing for malmsteen now biggrin.gif

Ok man, by the way it is 11.00 am there isnt it? laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 8 2009, 06:09 PM

Yeah, whats tomorrow like?

My fave Malmsteen tune. With Tim at the mic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyN4nblqqrk&feature=related





QUOTE (enforcer @ Jan 8 2009, 10:24 AM) *
Thats cool man, I didnt know he was singing for malmsteen now biggrin.gif

Ok man, by the way it is 11.00 am there isnt it? laugh.gif


Posted by: enforcer Jan 8 2009, 06:52 PM

He is great man, he has his rightful place now biggrin.gif

Ok, we will have a deep weekly plan as soon as you post videos, so it is very important that you send me that Sanitorium part 1 as soon as possible as that way I can prepare our own schedule. Man, I am sure I can write some exercises based on your favorite bands' (Judas, or Iced Earth for example) solos and rhythme licks. That will be fun biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 8 2009, 06:59 PM

Yep. Sure will.

Your prime time is my work time. Unfortunately I am employed.... smile.gif

I'd love to blow outta here and head home!!!

Posted by: enforcer Jan 8 2009, 07:01 PM

he he, everybody needs to eat biggrin.gif take your time mate biggrin.gif

Posted by: enforcer Jan 9 2009, 02:38 AM

Jer I am still awake, so if you have a question about anything, drop a line. By the way its 04.10 am here biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 9 2009, 04:03 AM

QUOTE (enforcer @ Jan 8 2009, 07:38 PM) *
Jer I am still awake, so if you have a question about anything, drop a line. By the way its 04.10 am here biggrin.gif



Dang man!!!! Get some sleep!!!

Just finished the first video. It hangs after the exercise is over but hang in there for a bit, I added more to it. Not sure why movie maker did that. My next round of videos will be higher quality. I deleted the project before watching it. Sorry...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQIzcUnBx6s&feature=channel_page

Sanitarium - Part 1. This is as far as I got tonight... More after the weekend out of town.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQWQqZ8wNxQ&feature=channel_page

I'm working a half day tomorrow. 7:30 - 11:30 my time so I'm looking forward to reading some feedback.

Have a good one Can!!

Posted by: enforcer Jan 9 2009, 04:35 AM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 9 2009, 05:03 AM) *
Dang man!!!! Get some sleep!!!

Just finished the first video. It hangs after the exercise is over but hang in there for a bit, I added more to it. Not sure why movie maker did that. My next round of videos will be higher quality. I deleted the project before watching it. Sorry...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQIzcUnBx6s&feature=channel_page

Sanitarium - Part 1. This is as far as I got tonight... More after the weekend out of town.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQWQqZ8wNxQ&feature=channel_page

I'm working a half day tomorrow. 7:30 - 11:30 my time so I'm looking forward to reading some feedback.

Have a good one Can!!


Yeah man, thats great, I am listening to them right away. As you can see I am awake, that may be the enthousiasm of our first day biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 9 2009, 04:51 AM

Damn Can. You gonna sleep at all today?

Do you work?

Posted by: enforcer Jan 9 2009, 05:05 AM

Yeah I saw video clips Jeremy, and some problems were obvious now, but know what, these are the exactly same problems I had, and gladly I know how to overcome them! With some hardwork and guidance we will overcome that, and I am sure you'll do great in no time. Well to be honest, I really believe you can achieve greater things because you have the all the things you need as a person, over all the other things you have the will. The explanation that you made after the exercise is over was great, and your little tour of your room was really cute and right. Now I know your training environement and that's great. Tomorrow I'll prepare a problem oriented work schedule. Rest assured it will include mostly enjoyable exercises.

p.s: You got some nice equipment there my friend, and even nicer posters biggrin.gif I decided to remove all my posters because they started to fall off the walls and now I can see it was a bad idea after all...

Have a nice out of town visit man, when you return we'll do great things together laugh.gif

Can



QUOTE (jer @ Jan 9 2009, 05:51 AM) *
Damn Can. You gonna sleep at all today?

Do you work?


No man 7 hours of sleep will be fine for me, and we got 6 hours of show in a week, and I gain enough to live all the week biggrin.gif On saturdays I teach at a local music school, so I dont need to wake up early on week days. Maybe it will be adequate if I change my awake hours to fit your timezone tongue.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 9 2009, 05:27 AM

Cool. Looking forward to it!!!


Posted by: jer Jan 9 2009, 03:31 PM

Oh, and if you need more examples of mistakes and work areas see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wshg0CbrpJc&feature=channel

My first take at the GMC - Judas Priest Lesson - by Gabriel Leopardi

It all falls apart at the end. That was my first run through it. Filmed anyway. I had been working on it for 20 min or so....

Posted by: enforcer Jan 9 2009, 06:34 PM

Hey Jer, I am finally awake, It must be 12.00 am there, so you are about to get out from work and get home. Well I got the program for Week 1 here, I got both very enjoyable and boring exercises here, but I am sure you wont have any difficulties as long as you give some time working these.

I watched Sanitorium, Open Chords and Judas Priest Style lesson videos of yours and maybe you wont believe me but the problem lies on your right hand. And I call this metal rhythme guitarist syndrome (you can laugh at me biggrin.gif )

The reason of this problem is very simple: You play metal rhythme guitar for so long that you are not used to play other things. You can see it in your Judas Style solo, your picking technique and fingerings on last 3 strings are so good than what you play on 3 high strings, that takes you "playing balance" away. Check your solo picking in Sanitorium, that look really a little random. Sometimes you pick upwards mostly downwards, that is the legacy of hard riffs played mostly by downward picking. You need something to connect these two and build a solid Alternate Picking technique. Fortunately that is easy...

Now we need a song to connect this solo playing and rhythme playing. Well I believe I found this song. I am sure you'll like a lot:



This is Losfer Words from Iron Maiden, 3rd song of Powerslave album. All I want while playing this keep an eye on your right hand posture, and Alternate Pick at all times even on the solo parts. This is very important. Start with the gpro file I posted, it is already a little slower than the original one, but I recommend you to start even slower. The aim here is to improve your a.p technique while having fun, but dont allow the fun surpass the technical side of the practice! Awareness is the key here, try to be aware of every note you play here.

Check out these images:





Here you can see how I am used to hold the pick. I keep the tip as small as possible, I keep it close the strings. This reduces the movement I have to do to move the pick up and down, therefore it takes less time and easier. And also my index finger doesnt support the pick on the joint but on the finger tip. This greatly improves precision. I play always using my whirst but you dont have a problem on that spot as I saw in your videos.

This was the fun part, the other focus of this week is finger independence. There are some great finger independence exercise here on site but my favorite one is the series by Danilo Capezzuto starting with this http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/fingers-independence-I/ the good thing about this is this series cover pretty much every available finger moving combination through F.I 1 to 5. The only critic I have about this series it the picking style Danilo uses, I recommend you to use alternate picking at all times. Practice slow and correct, remember slow and correct becomes fast and correct while fast and sloppy remains fast and sloppy. I wont lie to you these kind of exercises are not fun, but you can use them anytime even before you play guitar to warm up your left hand before some demanding training sessions. And finally you can check out my S.I lessons for string skipping and picking cross strings here:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=23100&view=findpost&p=313634

And one final word about left hand posture, you should keep your fingers always like this

but not like this



Some physical aspect of guitar playing:
What we do here doesnt have any relation with your muscles buddy. These exercises mostly target your brain's motor nerve areas, we try to teach your brain what its capable of. Try to move your fingers really fast for example, you'll see they can move really fast, but why cant you play that fast while playing guitar? Thats because your brain hasnt yet formed the necessary synapses (brain cell connections) So you have to concentrate, always be aware of what you are playing. We play slow to grant us time to think, how to pick correctly, which note to fret next, how to keep up with tempo. When your brain connects the dots, these will be almost by instinct.

Well that covers everything I guess for now, so our weekly plan consists of:

Week 1:

Fun Stuff:
-Metallica Sanitorium Solo 1 and 2,
I think they are good solos to build some feeling and vibrato some bends etc. And because this was my first solo too.

-Iron Maiden-Losfer Words
Great A.P Exercise. And some legatos, good timing overall I think its a great passage from Metal Rhythme Guitar to more solo oriented riffs.

Serious Stuff:

-String Skipping Exercises, I recommend my SI Lesson.
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=23100&view=findpost&p=313634

-Finger independence exercises.
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/fingers-independence-I/

-And finally the open chords exercise, as advised by our MTP Syllabus.
(try to work correctly on 50bpm version of this, try to memmorize CAGED positions...

Losfer Words GPro file:

edit: some arrangement and typo corrected biggrin.gif

 Losfer_Words__Tab.gp3 ( 41.74K ) : 147
 

Posted by: enforcer Jan 10 2009, 03:52 PM

Man, I know you are out of town, I dont know when you're getting home, so don't forget to drop me a line when you comeback biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 12 2009, 01:53 AM

Hey Can!!!!!

I'm back.

Do me a favor will ya?

I'm a bit overwhelmed by the amount of stuff to work on. If I was going to play for an hour (after warmup) what amount of time should I spend on each thing? Break it down a bit if you would.

Thanks!!!!!

I'm gonna do some more with the Arpeggio/Strumming thing tonight. Maybe more. Still have some unpacking to do.


Posted by: enforcer Jan 12 2009, 02:23 AM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 02:53 AM) *
Hey Can!!!!!

I'm back.

Do me a favor will ya?

I'm a bit overwhelmed by the amount of stuff to work on. If I was going to play for an hour (after warmup) what amount of time should I spend on each thing? Break it down a bit if you would.

Thanks!!!!!

I'm gonna do some more with the Arpeggio/Strumming thing tonight. Maybe more. Still have some unpacking to do.


Ok man, I surely dont want to overwhelm you with lots of exercises,

well lets create a 10 days of training period ok? We'll break down the work we have into small chunks... As I mentioned before Finger Independence exercises has 5 parts at total, so we will try to nail 1 video in two days. Speed is not a very definitive measure here, I dont want you to play them at unreal speeds, you just try to be comfortable with them.

For Losfer words, we will take the solo out (there is only one solo in it you'll notice with uncomfortable speedy parts), and concentrate on other parts. You can make your schedule for yourself on that one, just try to play it a least in gpro speed without the solo.

String skipping exercise may be used as a warmup and that will get faster with more time, all I want you to do is just memmorizing the whole part as soon as possible, and being able to play it at constant speed without getting need to drop or increase the speed...

Sanitorium solo will be a basis for our feeling lessons, so we will keep on working on it, just a 10 mins a day, and we may be able to nail the first clean backing solo (before the verse) at the end of this 10 day period.

For the Arpeggio/Strumming exercise, I advise you to break the exercise in two parts 1-Strumming 2-Arpeggio,
First try to be comfortable with these chord fingerings that you are not used to, play them by strumming, try to keep with the tempo. (that shall not exceed 4 days of work) After that you'll get to the Arpeggio phase you'll see that playing arpeggios are hard at the first arpeggio, when you nail that right left hand syncro, they are all more or less the same thing, and with you used to fingering of the chords, they are to master pretty quick. (that work should not exceed 5 days) After that spend your last day to connect the two phases...

I take you practice 1 hour per day, so your exercise timeline can be like this:

Finger independence around 15 mins, Losfer Words about 10 minutes, String Skipping 5-10 minutes, Sanitorium 1st solo 10 mins, Arpeggio Strumming 10 mins a day, if you have free time, try to play anything you like, just be mindfull of technique use and working discipline, keep your left and right hand postures right, try to work with metronome as long as its possible.

I am sure you can nail all this in upcoming 10 days... Yeah we will be a little late to our syllabus, but a slow but sturdy start is better than a fast, overwhelming, sloppy one...

Keep up working man,

Cheers laugh.gif

Can


Posted by: jer Jan 12 2009, 02:41 AM

I had done this before reading the previous post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsOwN7jlxQY

Posted by: enforcer Jan 12 2009, 03:03 AM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 03:41 AM) *
I had done this before reading the previous post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsOwN7jlxQY


Buddy, this is getting pretty well, I see you corrected a lot. You still got some issues on upstrokes, and I believe that is due to lack of precision because you are moving your arm when performing upstrokes... Notice how you downstroke the strings... They are much more precise and correct because you are depending on you whirst movement. Now check the upstrokes, you use your arm way more than you use in your downstrokes. Its ok a little use of the whole arm while strumming but when you have to pick the correct string amongs 6 other strings precision cannot be sacrificed. Try to keep your whirst on a fixed spot as if you are about to start a bunch of palm mute runs. And at that fixed position try to move only your whirst. Even when you are a little used to it, you'll notice a great progress.

I used my arm for about three years when I started playing guitar, and I know how its hard to quit an "addiction" like this... But sooner is better biggrin.gif But dont think all that was in vain, there are uses of everything in guitar (a gift or a curse? laugh.gif ) Like Bruce Lee once said, "Be like water" try to adapt to anything, but here in this case while playing arpeggios usage of whirst is the better choice.

Man, I see you improved in this quite well in just two days (to be accurate, that is 2 hours!) keep up the good work!!!


Posted by: jer Jan 12 2009, 03:08 AM

Here is my first run thru the finger independence exercise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEst24uBOxE

Question: How do I get GP to play back slower? I am changing the tempo but its playing back at full speed each time....


Posted by: enforcer Jan 12 2009, 03:31 AM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 04:08 AM) *
Here is my first run thru the finger independence exercise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEst24uBOxE

Question: How do I get GP to play back slower? I am changing the tempo but its playing back at full speed each time....


Thats ok I guess, but there is a mistake there, all your fingers must be on the fretboard at all times, at some points you lift your middle finger. You should keep it down on the fret. And one last thing, that is the ultimate correct wrist movement! You got it totally correct! Very good job man!

About your question, I downloaded and installed gp now, I opened a random document, now when I click the tempo button a popup appears on the screen and when I lower the tempo it gets slower. That was how you have done that?

An alternative way is to select the bars you wish to work on, hit F9, there appears the speed trainer, there you can choose % of the deceleration, and even the acceleration rate...

hope this covers all biggrin.gif

Still amazed with your work on your right hand man,

Cheers smile.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 12 2009, 03:41 AM

QUOTE
About your question, I downloaded and installed gp now, I opened a random document, now when I click the tempo button a popup appears on the screen and when I lower the tempo it gets slower. That was how you have done that?


Yeah, I did that and the number changed, but when I hit play it always plays full speed.....

Posted by: enforcer Jan 12 2009, 04:01 AM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 04:41 AM) *
Yeah, I did that and the number changed, but when I hit play it always plays full speed.....

Curious but it does the same thing in Losfer Words in my machine too, but I just figured out some other way. Click the multiplier button next to tempo button... It works this way...

Man, I gotta go to sleep its 5.30 am here I'll be able to sleep for 1.5 hours hopefully then I will wake up I promised I'll help a friend at work, if you have questions I will get them answered in a few hours ok?

Posted by: jer Jan 12 2009, 04:04 AM

dammit... I cant figure out why this is out of sync.... I tried it at lots of resuloutions. Man, this is irritating.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1qwyt9w7lg

multiplier... Got it!

Here comes another at a lower speed.

QUOTE
Thats ok I guess, but there is a mistake there, all your fingers must be on the fretboard at all times, at some points you lift your middle finger. You should keep it down on the fret.
Not sure what to do here. I'll look at this again.




Posted by: enforcer Jan 12 2009, 04:12 AM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 05:04 AM) *
Not sure what to do here. I'll look at this again.


Now on this, you have to fret with all your fingers with each finger at the appopriate frets, and while moving one, you have to keep the others in their place still pushing the frets. After the moving one is on its place, you'll move other one. One finger in the air at a given time... On the video, when you are on lower strings sometimes your middle finger leaves its appopriate fret when you should keep it there biggrin.gif that was all laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 12 2009, 04:16 AM

OK. Gotcha.

Here is a slower Losfer - Part 1 anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2jEGMriqtk

I need to figure out why these arent syncing......

Posted by: enforcer Jan 12 2009, 04:17 AM

Buddy I am going to bed, take care. And that time zone issue will kill me one day. You are practically on the other side of the globe !!! laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 12 2009, 04:22 AM

No prob man. I dont expect you to be here during my prime hours.

You can comment during your daylight hours and I'll have them for my next practice session.


Posted by: jer Jan 12 2009, 05:06 PM

Let me know what you think of the Losfer Words stuff so far. Did you want me to do the solo on that? Or just rhythm?

Also, do I need to post videos every day? If not, how often do you want to see/hear how I'm doing?


Posted by: enforcer Jan 12 2009, 06:42 PM

Losfer Words video is great man, just you hook up your thumb over the fretboard unnecessarily, try to anchor your thumb behind the fretboard, this improves your finger reach greately. Hooking your thumb has its advantages too, when playing lots of bends and vibrato, this posture gives you power but here we dont need it, it becomes more of a disadventage than an adventage.

On that song our real target is to play all the leads and rhythm tracks, but I suggest you to play solo parts too especially parts that you can play when you are working slower. I seriously think that you can play half of the solo because its not very fast.

About videos, I dont know how long it takes you to shoot a clip, if its less than few minutes, I want you to take a compilation movie in daily basis in the end of every training hour to show your progress in every fronts. That way, if you make a mistake while training and I see it in the video, all you would loose is only 10 mins of training.

Overall you are doing great man, you apply immediately my suggestions and that is perfect. A little addendum, you told me you were ok in music theory, for the next time I suggest you to make a list of your strong and weak points, so that I can try to help you on that subject too. You can find a list of topics on http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showforum=25. As these are theoretical subjects, you can check them out in your freetime at work, or anywhere you have time.

Keep up the great work Man! laugh.gif

Cheers!

Posted by: jer Jan 12 2009, 07:03 PM

QUOTE
About videos, I dont know how long it takes you to shoot a clip, if its less than few minutes, I want you to take a compilation movie in daily basis in the end of every training hour to show your progress in every fronts. That way, if you make a mistake while training and I see it in the video, all you would loose is only 10 mins of training.


So after practicing the different things, take a video that has all of them in it? Running through the finger independence exercise once, then Losfer Words, Then Sanitarium, etc?

Posted by: enforcer Jan 12 2009, 07:11 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 08:03 PM) *
So after practicing the different things, take a video that has all of them in it? Running through the finger independence exercise once, then Losfer Words, Then Sanitarium, etc?


Yeah man, it doesnt have to be all in one take, but multiple scenes in one video file biggrin.gif And you can include a speaking part like you did when you had some problems on your first try on strumming arpeggio exercise, trying to explain where you think you had problems etc. Its not a obligation, but you may do it.. biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 12 2009, 07:15 PM

QUOTE
Finger Independence exercises has 5 parts at total, so we will try to nail 1 video in two days.


Not sure what you mean here.

QUOTE
for the next time I suggest you to make a list of your strong and weak points, so that I can try to help you on that subject too. You can find a list of topics on Andrew's Theory Lesson board. As these are theoretical subjects, you can check them out in your freetime at work, or anywhere you have time.



I understand how scales are constructed. Chords. Harmonizing the scales. The concept behind Modes, etc. But I struggle in applying them.

Meaning I could give you the notes of any major/minor scale & all the modes of it, but I’d have to sit down and work it out on paper.

Same with the circle of fifths. I understand it but I cant use it in my head. I need to work it out on paper.

The reasoning is simple. I have read about this stuff but never really had to USE it in playing.

Does that make sense?

Posted by: enforcer Jan 12 2009, 07:22 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 08:15 PM) *
Not sure what you mean here.




I understand how scales are constructed. Chords. Harmonizing the scales. The concept behind Modes, etc. But I struggle in applying them.

Meaning I could give you the notes of any major/minor scale & all the modes of it, but I’d have to sit down and work it out on paper.

Same with the circle of fifths. I understand it but I cant use it in my head. I need to work it out on paper.

The reasoning is simple. I have read about this stuff but never really had to USE it in playing.

Does that make sense?


It makes perfect sense buddy, you never needed to apply your theory knowledge on your playing. Well we'll see what we can do about that.

What I wanted to say about finger independence exercises, you should try to play flawlessly these exercises and for one video, you mustn't exceed two days of training, after two days of work on Finger Independence I for example, you should play it flawlessly and comfortably, for after that period I will ask you to add it to your warmup list.

Posted by: jer Jan 12 2009, 07:29 PM

I follow.

For the exercise - http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/fingers-independence-I/ - I'm confused. The video looks like he is picking 2 strings at once. 1 with the pick and 1 with a finger. But the tab doesnt show that....


Posted by: enforcer Jan 12 2009, 07:46 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 08:29 PM) *
I follow.

For the exercise - http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/fingers-independence-I/ - I'm confused. The video looks like he is picking 2 strings at once. 1 with the pick and 1 with a finger. But the tab doesnt show that....


Yeah it seems that way, but he actually is picking only one string, the string of the finger he just moved, or the string he moved the finger from. something like this:

E|--|--|--|--|
B|--|--|--|--|
G|--|--|--|--|
D|--|--|--|--|
A|--|--|--|--|
E|1-|2-|3-|4-|
-
when he does this:
-
E|--|--|--|--|
B|--|--|--|--|
G|--|--|--|--|
D|--|--|--|--|
A|1-|--|--|--|
E|--|2-|3-|4-|
-
he is picking the A string for example,
-
E|--|--|--|--|
B|--|--|--|--|
G|--|--|--|--|
D|--|--|--|--|
A|--|--|--|--|
E|1-|2-|3-|4-|
-
and when he does this:
-
E|--|--|--|--|
B|--|--|--|--|
G|--|--|--|--|
D|--|--|--|--|
A|--|--|--|4-|
E|1-|2-|3-|--|
-
he is picking the E string...
-
Similar to these above,
E|1-|2-|3-|4-|
B|--|--|--|--|
G|--|--|--|--|
D|--|--|--|--|
A|--|--|--|--|
E|--|--|--|--|
-
when he does this:
-
E|--|2-|3-|4-|
B|1-|--|--|--|
G|--|--|--|--|
D|--|--|--|--|
A|--|--|--|--|
E|--|--|--|--|
-
he is picking the B string for example,
-
E|1-|2-|3-|4-|
B|--|--|--|--|
G|--|--|--|--|
D|--|--|--|--|
A|--|--|--|--|
E|--|--|--|--|
-
when he does this:
-
E|1-|2-|3-|--|
B|--|--|--|4-|
G|--|--|--|--|
D|--|--|--|--|
A|--|--|--|--|
E|--|--|--|--|
-
-
he is picking the high E string...
-


Ok?

Posted by: jer Jan 12 2009, 07:58 PM

Yeah, I'll ignore what I'm seeing on the video and go off the tab. I know what were doing here. Its all good.

So here is what I'll be doing tonight and tomorrow. I'll be uploading a new video Tuesday night. Late.

15min Finger Independence.
10min String Skipping
10min Strumming Only - No arpeggios yet. Target 50 bpm
10min Losfer Words (I'll try to get up thru 1:45 done. The solo if I can. Rhythm at least if not )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rze8K3dUWyU
10min Sanitarium (Goal, to get the next part of the solo down. From :46 thru 1:06 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WElvEZj0Ltw

Posted by: enforcer Jan 12 2009, 08:10 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 08:58 PM) *
Yeah, I'll ignore what I'm seeing on the video and go off the tab. I know what were doing here. Its all good.

So here is what I'll be doing tonight and tomorrow. I'll be uploading a new video Tuesday night. Late.

15min Finger Independence.
10min String Skipping
10min Strumming Only - No arpeggios yet. Target 50 bpm
10min Losfer Words (I'll try to get up thru 1:45 done. The solo if I can. Rhythm at least if not )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rze8K3dUWyU
10min Sanitarium (Goal, to get the next part of the solo down. From :46 thru 1:06 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WElvEZj0Ltw


Great man, I am looking forward to it, have a nice day in the work biggrin.gif

Cheers

Posted by: jer Jan 12 2009, 08:25 PM

Yeah... Work....

mad.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 13 2009, 06:11 AM

Alright then... After spending most of the night trying to make my camera work right I accomplished almost nothing....

Here is a quick video of just strumming the chords from the strumming/arpeggio lesson. I did it at 60bpm.

Then I did most of the finger independence I exercise at 80. I quit where I dont have the shape down... Its obvious.

I did another take of Losfer Words but the camer afps/lag issue is killing it. I think I figured out how to solve it. But I cant get Sonar to export it as anything that I can see. I get a black screen and good audio...

This is what I didnt want... Time spent monkeying with this crap. I've burned 2+ hours on the technology not working in a way that makes sense to me.....

Anyway.... Time for bed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVt5zJHD_2M


Posted by: enforcer Jan 13 2009, 12:42 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 13 2009, 07:11 AM) *
Alright then... After spending most of the night trying to make my camera work right I accomplished almost nothing....

Here is a quick video of just strumming the chords from the strumming/arpeggio lesson. I did it at 60bpm.

Then I did most of the finger independence I exercise at 80. I quit where I dont have the shape down... Its obvious.

I did another take of Losfer Words but the camer afps/lag issue is killing it. I think I figured out how to solve it. But I cant get Sonar to export it as anything that I can see. I get a black screen and good audio...

This is what I didnt want... Time spent monkeying with this crap. I've burned 2+ hours on the technology not working in a way that makes sense to me.....

Anyway.... Time for bed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVt5zJHD_2M


Man I am sorry to hear that, burn that damn cam man!

Strumming Chords video was good overall, you had problems with some shapes, and had some timing issues, that may be because you spend so much time with you cam that you couldnt concentrate on you exercise. Because some parts of you previous strumming arpeggio was better.

On the other hand, I see you are getting better in finger independence exercises, and I understood your problem there, the problem is not you or your playing, the problem is the exercise you are trying to do. You should try to work on these exercises:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/fingers-independence-I/
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/fingers-independence-II/
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/finger-independence-III/
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/finger-independence-IV/
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/finger-independence-V/

these are the exercises I was talking about laugh.gif

about that cam, Man seriously I dont know what we will do about it, we have a dilemma here, if you dont record videos of your playing, you wont waste time and work better but I wont be able to see your playing and warn you about your mistakes... And if you try to record it, it takes a lot of time, I am not sure how to do this....

Can you record your audio with your pc? If we have a sync problem, then maybe you could record audio with your pc and video with your cam, so in windows movie maker you could select you line for audio input, and your 9800 for video input... And after the work is done, if there is still a problem of sync, you can move your audio track a few ms forward or back to put it in the right place...

cheers

Can

Posted by: jer Jan 13 2009, 01:18 PM

QUOTE
Can you record your audio with your pc? If we have a sync problem, then maybe you could record audio with your pc and video with your cam, so in windows movie maker you could select you line for audio input, and your 9800 for video input... And after the work is done, if there is still a problem of sync, you can move your audio track a few ms forward or back to put it in the right place...


I'll keep working on this. I have to. Its frustrating but I need a good recording solution for all GMC stuff. Not just our month. So yeah, frustrating or not I have to get it done. I did find a way to get the sync to work. I found the settings to up the FPS of the camera. I The problem before is its not recording enough to keep in time with the audio.

I did get that fixed. I just need another lamp in my room for more light now due to speeding up the shutter speed of the webcam. Its much darker. But its in sync. The new problem is exporting the sync'd up video/audio from Sonar.

I'm working on it. I'll come up with something. I'll try movie maker next.



QUOTE
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...independence-I/


That is the exercise I am doing. The video isnt like the tab. Look at the tab. Bottom page 2 of the GP tab. Is where the 2 finger one starts. Its not like the video. The tab has each not being picked separately. One after another just like the 1 finger part.

ok. better video coming shortly. Gotta upload it at work, no time here.

The sync is MUCH better. But the quality is a bit lower. Its rushed so the playing has errors. Waymore than when I am concentrating onplaying, not producing a video. Let me know if its good enough for you to see what you need to see, or if I need to improve it more.

Coming in an hour or so....

Posted by: enforcer Jan 13 2009, 01:53 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 13 2009, 02:18 PM) *
I'll keep working on this. I have to. Its frustrating but I need a good recording solution for all GMC stuff. Not just our month. So yeah, frustrating or not I have to get it done. I did find a way to get the sync to work. I found the settings to up the FPS of the camera. I The problem before is its not recording enough to keep in time with the audio.

I did get that fixed. I just need another lamp in my room for more light now due to speeding up the shutter speed of the webcam. Its much darker. But its in sync. The new problem is exporting the sync'd up video/audio from Sonar.

I'm working on it. I'll come up with something. I'll try movie maker next.





That is the exercise I am doing. The video isnt like the tab. Look at the tab. Bottom page 2 of the GP tab. Is where the 2 finger one starts. Its not like the video. The tab has each not being picked separately. One after another just like the 1 finger part.

ok. better video coming shortly. Gotta upload it at work, no time here.

The sync is MUCH better. But the quality is a bit lower. Its rushed so the playing has errors. Waymore than when I am concentrating onplaying, not producing a video. Let me know if its good enough for you to see what you need to see, or if I need to improve it more.

Coming in an hour or so....



Ok buddy, looking forward to it.

Now I am checking the gp files for the exercise, it is really frustrating to have a GP file that differs from what you see in video...

cya until then...

Man, what a shame! these GP files are wrong. All wrong. These are written not as tabs, but as finger positions!!! So what you are hearing from GP file is not correct. the right tab should be something like this:

----8---7---6---5-------------------------------------
-----------------------8--7---6---5-------------------
---------------------------------------8---7---6---5--
--------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------
etc.

that means you keep your fingers in the appopriate places, you move your pinky to upper 8th fret on the B string but you keep pick the 7th fret on high E then, you move your ring next to the pinky and keep playing in 6th fret on E than you move your middle finger to B string on the fret 6, play the 5th fret on E then you move your index finger up next to others on B string, you play the 8th fret on B then you take your pinky up to the 8th fret on G, still play the 7th fret on B than you take your ring next to it etc... This is how it should be played...

But actually you were working on something that is far more harder than the one above, so it is not a total loss laugh.gif

Later

Can

Posted by: jer Jan 13 2009, 02:23 PM

Here is the test video from this morning. THis is just a test of sync and quality, is it good enough for what we are doing. I can zoom in if that helps. Position my camera better, etc....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cihzvn4nYTc

QUOTE
----8---7---6---5-------------------------------------
-----------------------8--7---6---5-------------------
---------------------------------------8---7---6---5--
--------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------
etc.

that means you keep your fingers in the appopriate places, you move your pinky to upper 8th fret on the B string but you keep pick the 7th fret on high E then, you move your ring next to the pinky and keep playing in 6th fret on E than you move your middle finger to B string on the fret 6, play the 5th fret on E then you move your index finger up next to others on B string, you play the 8th fret on B then you take your pinky up to the 8th fret on G, still play the 7th fret on B than you take your ring next to it etc... This is how it should be played...


I'm getting confused.... What you are writing doesnt match the tab above it.

Do you mean this?

----8---7---6---5--------7---6---5-----------6---5--------------5------------------------
-----------------------8--------------8---7-----------8---7---6--------8---7---6---5-----
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Keeping all 4 fingers down at all times?

Posted by: enforcer Jan 13 2009, 03:06 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 13 2009, 03:23 PM) *
Here is the test video from this morning. THis is just a test of sync and quality, is it good enough for what we are doing. I can zoom in if that helps. Position my camera better, etc....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cihzvn4nYTc



I'm getting confused.... What you are writing doesnt match the tab above it.

Do you mean this?

----8---7---6---5--------7---6---5-----------6---5--------------5------------------------
-----------------------8--------------8---7-----------8---7---6--------8---7---6---5-----
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Keeping all 4 fingers down at all times?


Np man, my tab writing there was actually showing which notes to play, your tab writing above shows the finger positions, the problem was there, Danilo wrote in GP file the actual finger positions, thats why GP plays it oddly because it thinks these are the tabs for the playing....

Keep your fingers down, thats correct. And what you are gonna do is:


position 1:

|-1-|-2-|-3-|-4-|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
5th
fret
(1-2-3-4 are your fingers and the frets are 5-6-7-8)
Here you pick the E string. (you hear 8th fret on E string here)

So the tab must be:
E--8--
B-----
G-----
D-----
A-----
E-----

than move your pinky to upper string while keeping the index, middle, ring fingers down

position 2:

|-1-|-2-|-3-|---|
|---|---|---|-4-|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
5th
fret
Pick the E string again (you hear 7th fret of E string)

so the tab becomes:

E--8--7---
B---------
G---------
D---------
A---------
E---------

now move your ring finger next to the pinky, while keeping index, middle and pinky down

position 3:

|-1-|-2-|---|---|
|---|---|-3-|-4-|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
5th
fret
Pick the E string again (you hear 6th of E string)

so the tab becomes:

E--8--7--6--
B-----------
G-----------
D-----------
A-----------
E-----------

now move your middle finger next to the ring, while keeping index, ring and pinky down

position 3:

|-1-|---|---|---|
|---|-2-|-3-|-4-|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
5th
fret
Pick the E string again (you hear here 5th fret on E string)

so the tab becomes:

E--8--7--6--5--
B--------------
G--------------
D--------------
A--------------
E--------------

then move your index next to others while keeping all the others down.

position 3:

|---|---|---|---|
|-1-|-2-|-3-|-4-|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
5th
fret
Here you pick the B string again (you hear here 8th fret on B string)

so the tab becomes:

E--8--7--6--5-----
B--------------8--
G-----------------
D-----------------
A-----------------
E-----------------


and repeat this until you reach the lower E string...

there you'll have a position like this:

|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|
|-1-|-2-|-3-|-4-|

and tab of total exercise (the notes that you hear) would be:

-8-7-6-5-----------------------------------------
---------8-7-6-5---------------------------------
-----------------8-7-6-5-------------------------
-------------------------8-7-6-5-----------------
---------------------------------8-7-6-5---------
-----------------------------------------8-7-6-5-

So what we are going to do here is,

1- Getting to the upper strings leading with pinky and picking the lower string (the string you move your fingers FROM) until we are all the way up,
2- Getting to the lower strings leading with pinky and picking the upper string until we are all the way down,
3- Getting to the upper strings leading with index and picking the upper string(the string you move your fingers TO) until we are all the way up,
4- And finally getting to the lower strings leading with index and picking the upper string until we all the way down...

That is to say, 1st exercise is the one above that I described.
in the 2nd exercise, you start from the last position of 1st exercise, you do the same but you get form lower E to A by starting with the pinky and picking the 7th fret on E string etc.
In the 3rd exercise you start with the first position of the 1st exercise but you start with your index not your pinky and you pick the B string, the string that you actually move your fingers to. And you go all the way up...
In the 4th exercise you start with the last position of the 3rd exercise, and you start with your index and you move it to the A string and pick that string.



Drop me a line when you got this ok?

Later biggrin.gif



and a little add,

video sync is ok, I see clearly what you are doing there, just you may add some lights facing you for a better fps I guess. But in any case, that is ok biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 13 2009, 03:07 PM

I think I understand. I'll do this tonight and upload it.

Did you watch the video in my lat post? Is that quality going to work if I cannot get it any better?

Posted by: enforcer Jan 13 2009, 03:13 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 13 2009, 04:07 PM) *
I think I understand. I'll do this tonight and upload it.

Did you watch the video in my lat post? Is that quality going to work if I cannot get it any better?


Video is pretty much ok Jeremy, you can add a little light for a better fps but I can see enough.

By the way you are doing great in Losfer, I am sure you will do better now that this video agony is solved! Some little mistakes but they will get better as long as you keep working on it.

Posted by: jer Jan 13 2009, 03:15 PM

QUOTE (enforcer @ Jan 13 2009, 08:13 AM) *
Video is pretty much ok Jeremy, you can add a little light for a better fps but I can see enough.

By the way you are doing great in Losfer, I am sure you will do better now that this video agony is solved! Some little mistakes but they will get better as long as you keep working on it.


Its harder to play it slower I think.

I want to rush it back to speed.

That and the video this morning was WAY RUSHED. My car was runnning, I was late for leaving to work, just trying to get the damn video fixed....

Its -9 degrees F here today by the way.

What kind of weather do you have on that side of the globe?


Posted by: enforcer Jan 13 2009, 03:25 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 13 2009, 04:15 PM) *
Its harder to play it slower I think.

I want to rush it back to speed.

That and the video this morning was WAY RUSHED. My car was runnning, I was late for leaving to work, just trying to get the damn video fixed....

Its -9 degrees F here today by the way.

What kind of weather do you have on that side of the globe?


No problem man, I'll check what you will have tonight, I am sure it will be better!

Well its cold here too, not -9F (lets see this must be -9-32=-41/180*100= -22 C!!!) man!! thats way too cold!!! Its around 9C here, it makes 48 F I think. But there is a lot of humidity here, you feel like its colder biggrin.gif So there must be snow everywhere!!!

Ah, If it gets that cold here, it snows like hell! biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 13 2009, 03:35 PM

We've got about 9 inches laying around right now....

I'm not a real fan of winter either....

I'll be putting in another 75min tonight. Same as last night.

15min strumming (50bpm - This will be my last without adding the Arpeggios in)
15min finger independence (80bpm, I'll go all the way thru the 1 finger exercise)
15min string skipping (whatever speed I can do it corrrectly at)
15min Losfer Words (from beginning thru 1:45)
15min Sanitarium (solo 1 - from beginning thru 1:06 if possible, 15min isn’t much time, its tough for me to even memorize the part in that time)

Posted by: enforcer Jan 13 2009, 04:25 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 13 2009, 04:35 PM) *
We've got about 9 inches laying around right now....

I'm not a real fan of winter either....

I'll be putting in another 75min tonight. Same as last night.

15min strumming (50bpm - This will be my last without adding the Arpeggios in)
15min finger independence (80bpm, I'll go all the way thru the 1 finger exercise)
15min string skipping (whatever speed I can do it corrrectly at)
15min Losfer Words (from beginning thru 1:45)
15min Sanitarium (solo 1 - from beginning thru 1:06 if possible, 15min isn’t much time, its tough for me to even memorize the part in that time)


Thats a great plan man, I'll see the results tomorrow morning then, biggrin.gif

By the way you if you have time, you should check out http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=23160

we may as well make a theory start. I know I dont have to repeat this but, feel free to ask anything...

Can

Posted by: jer Jan 13 2009, 04:51 PM

I am familiar with that method, or one very similar. I took some lessons from a different site that is no longer running... Can't remember the name at the moment. They did a similar thing. There were 5, 2-string shapes that you used in different combinations to get all 7 modes.

For now I'm gonna stick with what we have. Thats gonna take a good amount of time as is.

Posted by: enforcer Jan 13 2009, 05:24 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 13 2009, 05:51 PM) *
I am familiar with that method, or one very similar. I took some lessons from a different site that is no longer running... Can't remember the name at the moment. They did a similar thing. There were 5, 2-string shapes that you used in different combinations to get all 7 modes.

For now I'm gonna stick with what we have. Thats gonna take a good amount of time as is.


your call buddy we got plenty of time biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 14 2009, 05:34 AM

My progress tonight.

Strumming is getting a bit better. Still not near where it should be, and no arpeggios yet....

Finger Independence. Am I doing it right?

String Skipping - I think this went ok....

Losfer Words - A bit more done. The part after solo 1 is monotonous as hell and I get lost in the arrangement....

Sanitarium - A little bit more down. And yeah, that part is too fast for me tonight. And most nights..... I am speed challenged by slow parts. And it sucks.....

Wednesday night I have other plans so I wont be doing anything else til Thursday night.

Looking forward to comments here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnY2HE0XMG8


Posted by: Outlaw2112 Jan 14 2009, 05:47 AM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 14 2009, 05:34 AM) *
My progress tonight.

Strumming is getting a bit better. Still not near where it should be, and no arpeggios yet....

Finger Independence. Am I doing it right?

String Skipping - I think this went ok....

Losfer Words - A bit more done. The part after solo 1 is monotonous as hell and I get lost in the arrangement....

Sanitarium - A little bit more down. And yeah, that part is too fast for me tonight. And most nights..... I am speed challenged by slow parts. And it sucks.....

Wednesday night I have other plans so I wont be doing anything else til Thursday night.

Looking forward to comments here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnY2HE0XMG8

nice guitar dude... keep up the practice youll get it... good job

Posted by: jer Jan 14 2009, 12:50 PM

Thanks Outlaw!

Posted by: enforcer Jan 14 2009, 03:52 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 14 2009, 06:34 AM) *
My progress tonight.

Strumming is getting a bit better. Still not near where it should be, and no arpeggios yet....

Finger Independence. Am I doing it right?

String Skipping - I think this went ok....

Losfer Words - A bit more done. The part after solo 1 is monotonous as hell and I get lost in the arrangement....

Sanitarium - A little bit more down. And yeah, that part is too fast for me tonight. And most nights..... I am speed challenged by slow parts. And it sucks.....

Wednesday night I have other plans so I wont be doing anything else til Thursday night.

Looking forward to comments here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnY2HE0XMG8


One word. Awesome. You are going really great.

Now some comments:

1-In strumming exercise, you nailed the finger positions, now for the next training, when you do strumming alone, I want you to upstrum (I dont know if there is such a word) the chords that are strummed with a upstroke on original video. And you can start to play arpeggios if you feel you are ready. And also there are some timing issues, you tend to strum faster, your starting points are a la tempo but duration of strums shall be constant.

2-Finger Independence exercise was great. You see while keeping you fingers down, it becames quite a challenge, but you got this right, for the next session, I want you to use this as a warm up exercise, and try to nail the next finger independence exercise.

3-For the string skipping exercise, I recommend you to play it along the metronome, and play it a little slower because you see there are some little errors. And also try to work your way on different patterns too. On the video you are doing the 1-3-4 (index-ring-pinky) version there is also 1-2-4 and 1-2-4wide versions to it(index-middle-pinky) (index-middle-pinky wide ) you should try them also next time. And tell Juliette I said hi! smile.gif

4-Losfer words are ok, rhythm parts nailed, solo is correct. You play it on time, There are still some little timing issues but you will eradicate them in time as you get used to playing.

5-Sanitorium solo was without problem until the fast part. The only way you can nail this is to play this part and this part only along with a slower metronome. Slow down the metronome until you play it without even a little mistake. Then play it like a 50 times. Then increase the tempo gradually. Increase it until you make a mistake. When you do that pull the tempo back to the previous one play it like 20 times, then continue to increase it until you reach the original tempo. Thats the only way to play that faster parts. And alternate pick at all times. The only thing you should economy pick on this solo is the sweepy part before the fast part. Other than that you should alternate pick everything.

You are doing great. You lack some bending and vibrato techniques, but we will add them in time.

Good job mate and Cheers

Can

and a little addendum, you may want to shorten your strap a little to reach that lower strings, I know that doesnt look as cool as it would be but our primary purpose is to play guitar better biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 14 2009, 03:55 PM

QUOTE
And also there are some timing issues, you tend to strum faster, your starting points are a la tempo but duration of strums shall be constant.
Not sure what this means.

This morning I worked on this some before work. I noticed that I have themost trouble going to G, F and D. So I went GFGFGFGFGFGFGFGFGF for while. Then FDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFD for a while etc.... I think that helped.

QUOTE
2-Finger Independence exercise was great. You see while keeping you fingers down, it becames quite a challenge, but you got this right, for the next session, I want you to use this as a warm up exercise, and try to nail the next finger independence exercise.
There is still parts of Finger Independence I that I havent done. Like all the 2 finger parts... I need to do that too before going to Finger Independence II right? Should I be working towards any particular bpm here?

QUOTE
String Skipping - And also try to work your way on different patterns too. On the video you are doing the 1-3-4 (index-ring-pinky) version there is also 1-2-4 and 1-2-4wide versions to it(index-middle-pinky) (index-middle-pinky wide ) you should try them also next time.
I need to watch the video I guess. I just printed the tab and was playing it however felt comfortable. I wasnt paying attention to what fingers I used.

QUOTE
4-Losfer words are ok, rhythm parts nailed, solo is correct. You play it on time, There are still some little timing issues but you will eradicate them in time as you get used to playing.
Thanks. This is feeling good. THe parts after that first solo are difficult to count out. Its an odd arrangement thing, instrumental tunes are hard to follow at times.... But thats the part I am working on next.

QUOTE
5-Sanitorium solo was without problem until the fast part.
Right. I'll use the GP file and slow it down. I've been playing with the cd. Its tough using a metronome for me on this one cuz I find it hard to follow the beat on solos. I do it all by feel and just try to get it to match the cd. Rather than knowing where the notes fall with the beats. This solo in particular is tough to hear against the beat while playing it. Does this make sense? I need to spend some time listening to the beat and seeing what notes fall where. Then I can tap my foot along with it. That will help. It will also allow me to play it with a metronome.

Slowing down GP files doesnt always help since it can get kinda "skippy" when you slow them down. Know what I mean?

I have been alternate picking it all. To my knowledge anyway... I am used to alternate picking all of the time anyway. Am I not alternate picking it? Gonna look at the video again.... I thought I was.

Thanks Can!!!


Posted by: enforcer Jan 14 2009, 04:28 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 14 2009, 04:55 PM) *
Not sure what this means.

This morning I worked on this some before work. I noticed that I have themost trouble going to G, F and D. So I went GFGFGFGFGFGFGFGFGF for while. Then FDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFD for a while etc.... I think that helped.


Yeah buddy you did the right thing. That will improve your transitions for sure.

QUOTE
There is still parts of Finger Independence I that I havent done. Like all the 2 finger parts... I need to do that too before going to Finger Independence II right? Should I be working towards any particular bpm here?


Yeah you should do them to in your warm up exercises, but I dont think you will have some problems about it, because they are nearly the same.. And you wont do anything tonight, so for the Thursday night you shall work a little longer smile.gif
Try the finger independence 2, if it feels comfortable, take a video of it. If not, keep practicing until the next session. Ok?
There is no bpm target here, as you play these exercises speed will come as a natural result but its not a target. Just play it on bpm where you feel comfortable.

QUOTE
I need to watch the video I guess. I just printed the tab and was playing it however felt comfortable. I wasnt paying attention to what fingers I used.


Your fingerings are correct here, but I was saying there is other versions of this exercise, one using:
-5-6-8- in place of 5-7-8- for tabs and your index middle pinky for fingers and
-5-7-9 for tabs and your index middle pinky in a wide position...

QUOTE
Thanks. This is feeling good. THe parts after that first solo are difficult to count out. Its an odd arrangement thing, instrumental tunes are hard to follow at times.... But thats the part I am working on next.


You are correct about instrumental tunes, they tend to be more complex, but this is an advantage, when you get to play an instrumental song you play lots of different licks, as you were playing 5 non instrumental tunes... smile.gif

QUOTE
Right. I'll use the GP file and slow it down. I've been playing with the cd. Its tough using a metronome for me on this one cuz I find it hard to follow the beat on solos. I do it all by feel and just try to get it to match the cd. Rather than knowing where the notes fall with the beats. This solo in particular is tough to hear against the beat while playing it. Does this make sense? I need to spend some time listening to the beat and seeing what notes fall where. Then I can tap my foot along with it. That will help. It will also allow me to play it with a metronome.

Well tapping your feet sometimes help, sometimes not. You tend to listen to your to your feet, but who guaranties that you feet is tapping to the tempo? Well I dont know, if it works for you you do that way but imo, you should directly try to follow the metronome. That will be a little hard at first but you'll get used to it eventually.
QUOTE
Slowing down GP files doesnt always help since it can get kinda "skippy" when you slow them down. Know what I mean?


Yes you are correct, and I must add that it is always harder to keep the tempo at a slower metronome because duration between beats gets wider thus there is more time for you to skip the beat. There is one solution to that, if you are working only with metronome you may double it, and pick every other beat. Or if you play with GP you may change the time signiture to beat also half beats. that means changing the 4/4 for 8/8, they are exactly the same on timingwise but 8/8 also hits the half beats. Try it if you think it will ease your burden. But eventually one day you'll need to play 4/4 on a very slow metronome, so the call is yours...

QUOTE
I have been alternate picking it all. To my knowledge anyway... I am used to alternate picking all of the time anyway. Am I not alternate picking it? Gonna look at the video again.... I thought I was.


No you are alternate picking it. All of it. And I want to add here that you are a great student at that point, you do everything I tell you to do exactly the way I tell you, you immediately apply the suggestions I really appreciate that. The thing I was talking about is the fast lick, I said even if it feels easier to play it legato you should alternate pick it. You didnt do something wrong buddy try to keep it this way smile.gif

QUOTE
Thanks Can!!!


You are welcome mate, you are doing great, as you can feel it your improvement on these exercise in one week (in few days is more accurate) is just amazing. This way I am assured that we will achieve our goals as soon as possible.

Cheers smile.gif
Can

Posted by: jer Jan 14 2009, 05:25 PM

I'm getting confused with the finger independence thing.... I havent even done half of the Finger Independence I exercise. You want me to stop and go to II instead? Or should I move on to the 2 finger part of FI-I?

Sorry if I am confusing you.

Posted by: enforcer Jan 14 2009, 05:31 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 14 2009, 06:25 PM) *
I'm getting confused with the finger independence thing.... I havent even done half of the Finger Independence I exercise. You want me to stop and go to II instead? Or should I move on to the 2 finger part of FI-I?

Sorry if I am confusing you.


No buddy, you are not biggrin.gif

I was merely saying that, I dont think you will have problems with the other half, surely you will do it, play the both halfs for the next session, and if you have time and energy try to start Finger Independence II too.

I hope thats ok biggrin.gif

Later

Can

Posted by: jer Jan 14 2009, 05:33 PM

Gotcha.

I dunno, moving 2 alternate fingers like that and keeping all down I have a feeling will be difficult...

But I'll do my best!


QUOTE (enforcer @ Jan 14 2009, 10:31 AM) *
No buddy, you are not biggrin.gif

I was merely saying that, I dont think you will have problems with the other half, surely you will do it, play the both halfs for the next session, and if you have time and energy try to start Finger Independence II too.

I hope thats ok biggrin.gif

Later

Can


Posted by: jer Jan 16 2009, 06:00 AM

Week 1 - Day 4

Here we are.

I can tell that things are improving. And I can tell that they are improving SLOWLY.

But hey, we're 4 days in. And some of this stuff is unlike anything I've ever done. Taking that, and my schedule into consideration and I am happy with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilJSQxzKkIk

(DAMMIT!!!!!! - My video got hosed!!!!! Last part of Losfer Words and ALL of Sanitarium got jacked up.) I'll be posting another one tomorrow night and I'll watch it all before deleting the files.... GRRRRRRR!!!!!!)

Tomorrow (Friday night) I'll be putting in another hour or so. Then the weekend. I'll get in another 2 hours minimum. That'll end our first week. (since I was out of town last weekend.)

ok... I was pissed and squeezed in another Sanitarium clip. DAMN YOU MOVIE MAKER!!!!!!

(I need Vegas)

I had a couple of beers and got very tired during the editing of the last movie... So this isnt as good....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S8tl4NPAic

Posted by: enforcer Jan 16 2009, 12:06 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 16 2009, 07:00 AM) *
Week 1 - Day 4

Here we are.

I can tell that things are improving. And I can tell that they are improving SLOWLY.

But hey, we're 4 days in. And some of this stuff is unlike anything I've ever done. Taking that, and my schedule into consideration and I am happy with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilJSQxzKkIk

(DAMMIT!!!!!! - My video got hosed!!!!! Last part of Losfer Words and ALL of Sanitarium got jacked up.) I'll be posting another one tomorrow night and I'll watch it all before deleting the files.... GRRRRRRR!!!!!!)

Tomorrow (Friday night) I'll be putting in another hour or so. Then the weekend. I'll get in another 2 hours minimum. That'll end our first week. (since I was out of town last weekend.)

ok... I was pissed and squeezed in another Sanitarium clip. DAMN YOU MOVIE MAKER!!!!!!

(I need Vegas)

I had a couple of beers and got very tired during the editing of the last movie... So this isnt as good....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S8tl4NPAic



Hey there bro, It was a nice comeback after a long silence biggrin.gif

Anyway, I couldnt watch you first video, because of a "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation", so movie maker flaws didnt make much of a problem there laugh.gif This is not your fault and no problem, I know you worked hard for that and you will take a better shot tonight... And there comes the second video, I must say, you are getting better and better, yes, the improvement comes slow, but remember you have been practicing for 4 days and around 1-1.5 hours per day, so you are making this improvement after 6 hours of practice max.

So this is great IMO. Ok, how could I say that from only second video?

Well I dont know its that 2 and a half beers but, you play more confidently, you got some vibratos improved, the fast part rocked (3rd video), and you had that right feeling there and also you had 3 takes, you did that persistently, that shows your dedication this alone being a good prove that you'll get what you want. Few timing issues as this is slower than original, I know your fingers want to play it at original speed sometimes, especially where its easier to play and it is normal, just try to follow it, I dont know maybe these little timing problems are the sideeffects of beer biggrin.gif ... You may get your vibratos more wide, but we will do some exercises about that anyway, so you may focus on getting the solo done, or try to improve them also, your call...

I am looking forward to watch your next video, where you'll have all the others to better comment on your progress.

Cya and take care, smile.gif

Can

edit:typo smile.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 16 2009, 04:15 PM

QUOTE
"This video has been removed due to terms of use violation",


Man.... nothing was working lst night....

Tonight the video I make will not have any titles or anything in it. Maybe that is messing up movie maker.... Also, I'll put it on my own webspace and put the link in my post here.

Take that YOUTUBE!!!!!


Posted by: enforcer Jan 16 2009, 06:04 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 16 2009, 05:15 PM) *
Man.... nothing was working lst night....

Tonight the video I make will not have any titles or anything in it. Maybe that is messing up movie maker.... Also, I'll put it on my own webspace and put the link in my post here.

Take that YOUTUBE!!!!!


Ok buddy thats great looking forward to it! biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 16 2009, 06:31 PM

The finger independence exercise is killing me.

I cant finish vol I.

Moving 1 finger at a time is ok. Moving 2 slows me down. I cant even do it at 40bpm. My metronome wont go any slower.

The 2 finger one where you move every other finger? Yeah, I couldnt even accomplish that at 20.....




Posted by: enforcer Jan 16 2009, 08:34 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 16 2009, 07:31 PM) *
The finger independence exercise is killing me.

I cant finish vol I.

Moving 1 finger at a time is ok. Moving 2 slows me down. I cant even do it at 40bpm. My metronome wont go any slower.

The 2 finger one where you move every other finger? Yeah, I couldnt even accomplish that at 20.....


Its very normal buddy, when I came by these exercises, I had a very difficult time with them, but believe me practice it slow, even without metronome if necessary, then after achieving to move them than you can fit that to metronome... biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 16 2009, 08:57 PM

I'll keep at it.


Posted by: enforcer Jan 17 2009, 10:08 AM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 16 2009, 09:57 PM) *
I'll keep at it.



Jer, I am going out now, if you post your most recent videos, I'll make comments about it when I get back biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 17 2009, 01:48 PM

No prob. SOme stuff popped up last night that kept me from doing anything fun really....

I'll be doing some this morning though. (its 7:21am here as I write this. 3:21pm your time I think)

Posted by: jer Jan 17 2009, 04:46 PM

OK. Video made. Still some sync issues but I think it'll be ok.

I'll work on that.

I put it together in Vegas. Which worked great. Except it output a 2.6GB video. (15min long)

So I am re-rendering it in movie maker down to 40mb. We'll see what happens.

Posted by: enforcer Jan 17 2009, 05:32 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 17 2009, 05:46 PM) *
OK. Video made. Still some sync issues but I think it'll be ok.

I'll work on that.

I put it together in Vegas. Which worked great. Except it output a 2.6GB video. (15min long)

So I am re-rendering it in movie maker down to 40mb. We'll see what happens.


Ok buddy looking forward to it laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 17 2009, 06:07 PM

youtube removed it again....

Is it due to it being 14min long?

They allow 1GB videos....

Putting it on my site. Link in a moment.



uploading now... 14min

www.jershangout.com/files/metalfrets/jer-mtp-wk1.wmv

I've been trying wider vibratos too.

Posted by: enforcer Jan 17 2009, 06:14 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 17 2009, 07:07 PM) *
youtube removed it again....

Is it due to it being 14min long?

They allow 1GB videos....

Putting it on my site. Link in a moment.



uploading now... 14min

www.jershangout.com/files/metalfrets/jer-mtp-wk1.wmv

I've been trying wider vibratos too.


Ok I am downloading it biggrin.gif

Posted by: enforcer Jan 18 2009, 01:21 AM

Hey bro, that viddeo was quite a work for sure, I got lots of comments bellow biggrin.gif

I will start my comments about that video with a question, do you feel any difference when playing with accoustic guitar, or electric guitar? Well if you feel more comfy with you acc guitar, grab immediately your electric guitar and practice this strumming arpeggio exercise with it!!! If it feels harder, and you feel relieved and more comfy when you play that with you electric guitar, keep playing it with your accoustic guitar. Practicing on a harder guitar generally improves you faster, but practicing in a easier one, slows down your improvement, keep that in mind biggrin.gif

Now what I think about this exercise (arpeggio, strumming), you have some errors so you should return to 70 bpm or 65bpm, to provide you with more time to think where to fret on these F to G and and D to F, so when you play that right and comfortable a 20 times on 70bpm you can jump to 75 and further until you start to make these mistakes again, there stop return to previous speed where you felt comfortable, and play it a 20 times there then again start to move up. When you reach 100bpm, dont stop there go up to 105 and 110, only and only playing comfortably there will give you a perfect playing on 100bpm. So try this ok?

About the string skipping exercise, you nearly nailed the 1-3-4 form, just you need some more time to master it. Playing it with a drum track and distortion is a great idea, with that, you can actually make also some string muting exercises, and you were very successiful in that. Only comment about that, it is not easy to see clearly but I think at 3.23 you use the middle of your pinky to fret high E string 8th fret. That is incorrect. You must use always the tip of your fingers. Always biggrin.gif 1-2-4 wasnt too bad too, but that pinky critic is repeated for that exercise too. Maybe that is why you have some difficulty on descending (notewise) horizontally through the fretboard. So here comes the 1-2-4 wide. Man, there is a problem here, this is called 1-2-4 for finger numbers biggrin.gif So you need to use your index middle and pinky, but on the video you are using your index ring and pinky so this is a problem because your ability to strech the ring and pinky is lesser (anatomically) then the index middle strech. That is why if you continue to use these fingers with 5-7-9 type shapes, sooner or later you are going to have some difficulties. You should keep an eye on your fingers buddy biggrin.gif And about the playing, yes it is seen that you are playing it for the second time, keep working on it you will do great...

Finger independence exercises are going great, but you should play it a little slower, like 5-10 bpm slower, to alow you more time to think which finger(s) to move and to focus on it/them. For the 1-3 2-4 finger exercises, you should concentrate on your anchored fingers, not moving ones. It is easier to keep some finger still than deciding which finger to move... Dont push yourself hard on this about tempo, but try to move your appopriate fingers even it takes 1min for each movement. The only target is the ability to control them independently, so when you achieve this, you will be amazed how you build up speed. Ok, if you want to achieve this, you have really to dedicate yourself, and for doing this you really dont need your guitar on hand, just put your fingertips on the a table on work for example, and try to move your necessary fingers, without moving the others. And also, you are always picking with downstrokes on that exercises, even if this is like that in the video, you ignore how it is picked in video, just do alternate picking for all times buddy.

There comes the losferword exercise, It was more evident that you had a tuning problem on lower strings, possibly on B and/or E, (maybe just old strings) I recommend you to check you tuning often...

On losfer words, you are correct, there is a timing problem there, you just keep on following the bassline, it means, you should keep on doing the previous rhythm part, that dude that tabbed this, sucked also in solo part, it is generally wrong. Just keep following your bass tabs, until bar nr68, where you will start your open string run... You need some wider vibratos here, try to memmorise well the lead line. At this time do not increase the speed until you completely finish the song. You makes some timing mistakes here, but I believe they are made due to lack of concentration, I am sure you'll work on these, and again increasing the tempo will ruin everyting now. But, to be sincere, your overall progression on this is just amazing. You are doing great on this keep going.

And finally here comes the star of the video, sanitorium, yeah there are some mistakes here, and yeah you missed the last notes big time, but you play this with feeling. You seriously feel every note you play, you might consider widening and slowing your vibratos a bit, and exagerate the wideness of your vibratos where you must. Never waste a long note without a vibrato, because this multiplies the beauty of your solo with a high factor. Try to be a little faster and harder with your bends, but your accuracy on this is spectacular (tuning wise) and you should keep it that way. And I see you nailed the faster parts on this speed, and you play it clean, that is magnificient work. And one little comment about the entry part, try to play first few notes until 13.37 all with slides, never hammer on or pick that movement, it just requires the soft and warm sound of a slide. Try this biggrin.gif Now when you get more and more comfortable with this solo with all the mistakes are gone and vibratos added etc, you can increase the speed step by step and get to the final speed. You are doing awesome mate nice feelings there!!!

I am very pleased with your work, your explanations and your selfconfident attitude man, keep it that way and you'll become very good at this. As I said it before, playing guitar is %90 the work of brain, and %10 use of muscles. So feeling self comfident and with a good attitude is a great canvas to put your exercise layers on.

That is great man, we are ahead on the schedule (at least on my planning) so lets keep it that way...

Cheers smile.gif

Can

Posted by: jer Jan 18 2009, 02:32 PM

Oh yeah, I found the acoustic not as comfortable. Playing the arpeggio strumming exercise I wouldn’t say is any harder. But its not as comfortable. So tyeah, I’m switching to the acoustic for that one. For exactly that reason! And it sounds nice.

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Now what I think about this exercise (arpeggio, strumming), you have some errors so you should return to 70 bpm or 65bpm, to provide you with more time to think where to fret on these F to G and and D to F, so when you play that right and comfortable a 20 times on 70bpm you can jump to 75 and further until you start to make these mistakes again, there stop return to previous speed where you felt comfortable, and play it a 20 times there then again start to move up. When you reach 100bpm, dont stop there go up to 105 and 110, only and only playing comfortably there will give you a perfect playing on 100bpm. So try this ok?


Gotcha.

String Skipping Exercise. Yeah, I did hit it with the middle of my finger a couple of times. Making that big jump back to the high E is a sloppy one for me. I’ll pay attention to that and make sure it’s the finger tips all the time.

1-2-4, I used my ring finger? I’ll have to check that out on the video. I know what the 1-2-4 refer to… Oops. I’ll fix that.

Finger Independence Exercises. Slowing down. Always alternate picking. – Gotcha.

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There comes the losfer word exercise, It was more evident that you had a tuning problem on lower strings, possibly on B and/or E, (maybe just old strings) I recommend you to check you tuning often...


I think its old strings. I’ve noticed over the last few days that they don’t stay in tune as much….. I even broke one. I’ve never broken a string playing guitar in 15 years. Seriously… I’m changing them today.

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On losfer words, you are correct, there is a timing problem there, you just keep on following the bassline, it means, you should keep on doing the previous rhythm part, that dude that tabbed this, sucked also in solo part, it is generally wrong. Just keep following your bass tabs


Are you talking about bar 52? I should keep playing the pattern that came before that all the way up to the 2nd solo in bar 54?

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You need some wider vibratos here, try to memorize well the lead line.


I am working on the vibratos. I’ll keep trying to make them wider. You are right, it does make all the difference in the world. And yeah, I need to get the whole song down to memory. Its coming, slowly.

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At this time do not increase the speed until you completely finish the song.


I had no plans to.

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You makes some timing mistakes here, but I believe they are made due to lack of concentration, I am sure you'll work on these


Yeah, concentration can be an issue at times. Busy house. Wandering mind. I am working on it.

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And finally here comes the star of the video, sanitorium, yeah there are some mistakes here, and yeah you missed the last notes big time, but you play this with feeling. You seriously feel every note you play,


Thanks. I am really enjoying this one.

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And one little comment about the entry part, try to play first few notes until 13.37 all with slides, never hammer on or pick that movement, it just requires the soft and warm sound of a slide.


13.37 on my video? Is it the part where the notes go up the high E string? Not sure exactly where you mean.

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Now when you get more and more comfortable with this solo with all the mistakes are gone and vibratos added etc, you can increase the speed step by step and get to the final speed.


That’s the plan. I’m with ya!

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I am very pleased with your work, your explanations and your self confident attitude man, keep it that way and you'll become very good at this. As I said it before, playing guitar is %90 the work of brain, and %10 use of muscles. So feeling self confident and with a good attitude is a great canvas to put your exercise layers on.


Thanks Can!

Posted by: jer Jan 18 2009, 03:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZHFpRalj6o


Question... How do I tag the link above so it appears in video form?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SGSzDhVcX0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiA78ZTsI5c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDz2zG1cksY

yeah, I just noticed the camera couldnt see my picking hand...

I'll adjust that for the next ones.


Posted by: enforcer Jan 18 2009, 04:00 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 18 2009, 03:32 PM) *
Oh yeah, I found the acoustic not as comfortable. Playing the arpeggio strumming exercise I wouldn’t say is any harder. But its not as comfortable. So tyeah, I’m switching to the acoustic for that one. For exactly that reason! And it sounds nice.


Ok buddy, roger that!

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String Skipping Exercise. Yeah, I did hit it with the middle of my finger a couple of times. Making that big jump back to the high E is a sloppy one for me. I’ll pay attention to that and make sure it’s the finger tips all the time.

1-2-4, I used my ring finger? I’ll have to check that out on the video. I know what the 1-2-4 refer to… Oops. I’ll fix that.

Finger Independence Exercises. Slowing down. Always alternate picking. – Gotcha.

Great!
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I think its old strings. I’ve noticed over the last few days that they don’t stay in tune as much….. I even broke one. I’ve never broken a string playing guitar in 15 years. Seriously… I’m changing them today.

Thats because you are starting to really play it buddy. Thats a good sign, try to change them whenever they start to get out of tune, but you got some easier solution to that too: You can wipe your strings throughly, and always store your guitar in your guitar case after playing, this doubles the string life.
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Are you talking about bar 52? I should keep playing the pattern that came before that all the way up to the 2nd solo in bar 54?

Yes, in fact, you can play the same thing during, all the solo, you can play it up to 54th bar if you like, because that is Adrian Smith's line that holds the back chords for solo...

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I am working on the vibratos. I’ll keep trying to make them wider. You are right, it does make all the difference in the world. And yeah, I need to get the whole song down to memory. Its coming, slowly.

I had no plans to.

ok thats great...

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Yeah, concentration can be an issue at times. Busy house. Wandering mind. I am working on it.
Thanks. I am really enjoying this one.

Yes, thats the key! biggrin.gif
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13.37 on my video? Is it the part where the notes go up the high E string? Not sure exactly where you mean.

Yes, 13.37 on your video, the part after the first two notes, where you hammer on the 10-12's until the high E. Try to play the vertically advancing notes with slides.
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That’s the plan. I’m with ya!
Thanks Can!


You are welcome bro! laugh.gif

Cheers smile.gif

Posted by: skennington Jan 18 2009, 04:04 PM

Hey Jeremy,

To embed the youtube vid's, you can copy and paste the embedded link that is provided to the right of your video into your post. However, that does not work for me. What I have to do is type it in like this......


[youtube insert the 11 character number here /youtube] You need to have the bracket's on both end's of "youtube" I had to remove them so you could see what I'm talking about.


Example of one of your last links (4SGSzDhVcX0) If you add &fmt=18 to the end, you will get stereo sound. Hope that helps man... smile.gif


Posted by: enforcer Jan 18 2009, 04:21 PM

QUOTE (skennington @ Jan 18 2009, 05:04 PM) *
Hey Jeremy,

To embed the youtube vid's, you can copy and paste the embedded link that is provided to the right of your video into your post. However, that does not work for me. What I have to do is type it in like this......


[youtube insert the 11 character number here /youtube] You need to have the bracket's on both end's of "youtube" I had to remove them so you could see what I'm talking about.


Example of one of your last links (4SGSzDhVcX0) If you add &fmt=18 to the end, you will get stereo sound. Hope that helps man... smile.gif




Thanks Skenny for assisstance buddy, but the problem is that, while there are zillions of clips containing original tunes, Youtube decided to lead a crusade against Jeremy's videos because of "Copyright Violations" tongue.gif That is why he wasnt able to embed them here, youtube removes them in a matter of seconds...

Cheers

Can smile.gif

Posted by: skennington Jan 18 2009, 04:29 PM

Ah yes, I remember seeing that a while back. smile.gif However, as long as the video is live, and don't get cut by youtube, you can embed them here on the forum...



Posted by: enforcer Jan 18 2009, 04:52 PM

QUOTE (skennington @ Jan 18 2009, 05:29 PM) *
Ah yes, I remember seeing that a while back. smile.gif However, as long as the video is live, and don't get cut by youtube, you can embed them here on the forum...




Yeah in theory it musnt be cut, but actually youtube did it twice biggrin.gif Well thanks anyway for upload buddy laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 18 2009, 06:48 PM

I think mine were cut due to length... I belive youtube limits you to 10min... Which is odd since they give you 1GB.

Posted by: jer Jan 18 2009, 09:19 PM

I'll be doing vids of the other stuff later today. If you have any feedback on these let me know. Or wait til I get the others done.

Posted by: jer Jan 19 2009, 12:32 AM

Sanitarium


Posted by: lcsdds Jan 19 2009, 12:38 AM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 19 2009, 12:32 AM) *
Sanitarium


Dude, you slowed it down!!! You nailed the timing PERFECT!! Good job man!! Now it is just working it slowly up to speed. Keep working Jer and you will be rocking in no time!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Sorry about hijacking your thread guys. Carry on. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: enforcer Jan 19 2009, 01:10 AM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jan 19 2009, 01:38 AM) *
Dude, you slowed it down!!! You nailed the timing PERFECT!! Good job man!! Now it is just working it slowly up to speed. Keep working Jer and you will be rocking in no time!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Sorry about hijacking your thread guys. Carry on. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


Never mind Monte,

And I have nothing to add to Monte's comments about that except 2 comments:

1-If you perform your vibratos a little slower and a little more wider, that will sound just awesome mate IMO, but actually this is players preference, if you like it that way keep it. And your starting slide sounds perfect doesnt it? smile.gif

2-Last run, here the problem is not the speed, you do great on that, but some little(very little) timing on last notes.(apart the little wrong note on A at 0.33 on your video)little care for them there and that will be without a single flaw.

Now if you fix the problem on 2 you may start to build speed.

YEah buddy you are doing great. I am awaiting your other videos! Keep me informed!

Can

Posted by: jer Jan 19 2009, 02:12 AM

Thanks guys!!!!

Yeah, that ending is still a little sloppy. Thats the last part I added in so its the newest.

Honestly I'm unsure about the slide part I added. If it sounds better to me. Either way is cool. This does give me one extra thing to practice though. Slides!!!

I've got some family stuff going on tonight so this'll likely be it til tomorrow. I'm gonna do Losfer Words tomorrow and more of the stuff I did today.


Posted by: enforcer Jan 19 2009, 02:27 AM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 19 2009, 03:12 AM) *
Thanks guys!!!!

Yeah, that ending is still a little sloppy. Thats the last part I added in so its the newest.

Honestly I'm unsure about the slide part I added. If it sounds better to me. Either way is cool. This does give me one extra thing to practice though. Slides!!!

I've got some family stuff going on tonight so this'll likely be it til tomorrow. I'm gonna do Losfer Words tomorrow and more of the stuff I did today.


Ok buddy no problem!

Cheers smile.gif

Can

Posted by: jer Jan 20 2009, 12:29 AM

I probably wont get anything video'd til tomorrow night.

We had to go furniture shopping today....

Question. We are now in Week 2 yes?

What is the syllabus assignment for this week? I have the one from last week to perfect and then the other stuff I know...

I probably wont get anything video'd til tomorrow night.

We had to go furniture shopping today....

Question. We are now in Week 2 yes?

What is the syllabus assignment for this week? I have the one from last week to perfect and then the other stuff I know...

Posted by: jer Jan 20 2009, 01:22 AM

Yeah, now my 4yr old is a screaming mess.... Let's just say I'm not in a good frame of mind to get anything productive done.....


Posted by: enforcer Jan 20 2009, 03:45 AM

Buddy, I think I will something you'll like and others are a little too easy for you. And I am sure you'll like the more distorted one with a solo biggrin.gif

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/alice-in-chains-style-lesson/

half of this exercise is really your kind of exercise with powerchord rhythm licks... And in the other half there is a little solo that I hope you can easily get, and that will improve your timing and solo playing issues. So thats why I chose this.

Well, I know you have a lot happening in your personal life, but I am afraid you may be overloading yourself with stacking assignments. I'll do my best to keep you less overwhelmed, but we have a target, so try to keep up with these exercises buddy. Its not even a little late, so take this as a proactive warning.

Ok, I am waiting for your videos for tomorrow, even if you cant take shots, try to at least not forget what you have achieved so far ok?

See ya later bro,

Can


Posted by: jer Jan 20 2009, 12:38 PM

Hey Can,

Yeah, that Alice In Chains one sounds good. I like that kind of lead playing too. Starting at bar 20 it gets speedy. (for me anyway) So I'll need to slow it down for sure and work up to it.

Here is what I plan on for this week:

10 min warmup (String skipping & finger independence)
20 min strumming and arpeggios (this needs to be gotten up to speed)
20 min AC style lesson
10 min Sanitarium (Keep sharpening the end and then getting it 5bpm faster if possible)
10 min Losfer Words (getting the arrangement down, I keep losing my place in this one)

I'll be doing this routine Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and 2x on Sunday. That will be our 2nd week.

Sound good?





Posted by: enforcer Jan 20 2009, 02:03 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 20 2009, 01:38 PM) *
Hey Can,

Yeah, that Alice In Chains one sounds good. I like that kind of lead playing too. Starting at bar 20 it gets speedy. (for me anyway) So I'll need to slow it down for sure and work up to it.

Here is what I plan on for this week:

10 min warmup (String skipping & finger independence)
20 min strumming and arpeggios (this needs to be gotten up to speed)
20 min AC style lesson
10 min Sanitarium (Keep sharpening the end and then getting it 5bpm faster if possible)
10 min Losfer Words (getting the arrangement down, I keep losing my place in this one)

I'll be doing this routine Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and 2x on Sunday. That will be our 2nd week.

Sound good?


Ok, sounds good! Wednesday will be your break time, and thats ok, we'll watch our progress, we'll update our schedule if we need to biggrin.gif

Cheers smile.gif

Can

Posted by: jer Jan 20 2009, 02:44 PM

Yeah, I play games with an out of state buddy from High School on Wednesdays. And its good to have a break. Thanks for understanding my schedule. Wait til you are married and have a child. You'll see. wink.gif


Posted by: enforcer Jan 20 2009, 04:47 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 20 2009, 03:44 PM) *
Yeah, I play games with an out of state buddy from High School on Wednesdays. And its good to have a break. Thanks for understanding my schedule. Wait til you are married and have a child. You'll see. wink.gif


Ok buddy biggrin.gif I am sort of quasi married, but I can understand what you are talking about. By the way we have recenty exceeded 1100 views, this thread is a popular one indeed laugh.gif

Cheers

Can

Posted by: jer Jan 20 2009, 06:45 PM

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By the way we have recenty exceeded 1100 views, this thread is a popular one indeed


Think its all chicks digging our rockstar vibe?

laugh.gif


Posted by: enforcer Jan 20 2009, 06:51 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 20 2009, 07:45 PM) *
Think its all chicks digging our rockstar vibe?

laugh.gif


Its just that they couldnt resist two cute rockers anymore! laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 21 2009, 04:08 AM

Here we go. Day 1 of Week 2.

Strumming & Arpeggios (75bpm I think...) This is getting better.



Alice In Chains Style Lesson - Rhythm Only. I think I have this down. It'll be all about the solo next time...



Sanitarium - I got the end down better now. I messed up a couple of notes early on, just dumb mistakes. Overall I think its getting ok. Not consistent enough to speed it up yet though.



Losfer Words - This song is PI$$ING ME OFF!!!! Its not hard. But its long and my mind starts wandering cuz I'm nearing the end (or passing the end) of my practice session. I find it difficult to remember the arrangement. I can play all the parts. But I forget the changes.... So this video sucks. I know it sucks. If I am playing any particular part wrong I'd like feedback. But I know its all jacked up.... smile.gif


Posted by: enforcer Jan 21 2009, 02:40 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 21 2009, 05:08 AM) *
Here we go. Day 1 of Week 2.

Strumming & Arpeggios (75bpm I think...) This is getting better.



Alice In Chains Style Lesson - Rhythm Only. I think I have this down. It'll be all about the solo next time...



Sanitarium - I got the end down better now. I messed up a couple of notes early on, just dumb mistakes. Overall I think its getting ok. Not consistent enough to speed it up yet though.



Losfer Words - This song is PI$$ING ME OFF!!!! Its not hard. But its long and my mind starts wandering cuz I'm nearing the end (or passing the end) of my practice session. I find it difficult to remember the arrangement. I can play all the parts. But I forget the changes.... So this video sucks. I know it sucks. If I am playing any particular part wrong I'd like feedback. But I know its all jacked up.... smile.gif



Strumming exercise:

In the first half, passage from E to G your pinky and ring finger couldnt position

themselves on the right spots strongly. On the upstroke version of this passage you did

fine, so I believe this was just badluck. Only one little comment here, your strumms needs

to a little even, keep in mind that strumming is actually playing arpeggios real fast, so

you are playing a series of notes there, your motion gotta be uniform and you gotta keep the

duration and speed of these notes equal. That is the final difficulty about that exercise.

You did a great job with this. Keep it up, next time if you dont make any mistakes, start to

increase the speed with 5bpms. You know the routine. Step up play it a few times, if its

without flaws increase it again if not return to prev speed. Its great buddy. You really %90

nailed this, only the speed is lacking.


Alice in chains style exercise:

Yeah, this is a good start, you did pretty much nailed half of it. I got two things to say

about that, you might consider increase the volume of backing track, because its very low,

so low that at first I though you were playing this at free tempo, this is mostly a rhythm

exercise, so I need to hear the backing track to check your timing smile.gif Second thing is, on

the second part of rhythm you need to play the


bar 1.....................bar 2
E|-----------------------|-------------------------|
B|-----------------------|-------------------------|
G|-----------------------|-------------------------|
D|-----------------------|-------------------------|
A|-------4-------3----2--|--L--------5-------------|
E|--2---------2----------|-----2--2--3----0--2--3--|


part a little open(dont mute the strings), and let the E and A strings blend a little on the

bar 1. On bar 2 keep what you have played. (to be exact this is played on the video nr2 on

exercise page) Lets see what will you do about the solo part. Remember to divide it to

smaller manageable sized chunks, play it slow and you'll nail it in no time. Good job bro,

with you working this fast we are surely making some time economy.


Sanitorium:

Yeah, thats it. You totally own this solo buddy, you control it and thats great! Apart that slide mistake, you nailed all the parts. But one little problem there, you should keep your vibratos a little longer and a little uniform. That is all. When you are sure about consistency you should start to speed up.

Losfer Words:

Yes, in the Losfer Words video, there are some syncro issues, but that is not a problem I tried to sync it in my mind and I see your problems. Ok, lets talk about that: Well it is not as sucky as you think it is. Your technique is what it should be. You perform A.P. pretty well, only you have some memmorizing issues. You should take some notes about that. You can write on some paper about song structure. Like:

Intro x 4
Main lead x 4
etc.

This will help you remember it. You sould individually work on the outro (the last lick that you couldnt play on video) The open string thingie (after the solo) and the part after that. Other than that is ok. Try to memorize individual parts and read the structure from the paper. That should do it.

I am satisfied overall. You have a speed improvement on solo licks. You play far better on lower strings. And you have no problem on vertically descending (notewise) licks. Well done bro! Tonight is your free night so I dont expect you to send videos.

Cheers smile.gif and take care. Have fun on your gaming night!

Can

Posted by: jer Jan 21 2009, 02:53 PM

Thanks Can, have a great one!

Hey, Got any videos of your band?

Posted by: enforcer Jan 21 2009, 05:18 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 21 2009, 03:53 PM) *
Thanks Can, have a great one!

Hey, Got any videos of your band?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHBVJB-h2eo

it is one of viewers who is taking the shot so its as crappy as it can be! And we are playing Start Wearing Purple from Gogol Bordello, it is not anywhere rock. But I have to eat havent I?

anyways, you asked for it here it is biggrin.gif I am the one on the right by the way laugh.gif

Cheers

Posted by: jer Jan 21 2009, 06:09 PM

I find it humorous that the person who uploaded this is "ILOVEBLACKMETAL"

Yeah, thats not my cup of tea at all. But you're right, you gotta eat!!! I'd rather do that than what I do...

Posted by: enforcer Jan 21 2009, 06:17 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 21 2009, 07:09 PM) *
I find it humorous that the person who uploaded this is "ILOVEBLACKMETAL"

Yeah, thats not my cup of tea at all. But you're right, you gotta eat!!! I'd rather do that than what I do...


Patience my young Padawan, we will prevail!


laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 22 2009, 03:27 PM

Question for ya Can. I'm at work now, no guitar but I've been bringing my lesson print outs and looking that stuff over.

The solo for Sanitarium: What key is that in? How do I determine that? I suppose I could write out all the notes that I'm playing and figure it out that way.... Is there an easier way? Is it useful to know such a thing? To help see scale shapes?


Posted by: enforcer Jan 22 2009, 11:52 PM

Well the first thing about determining the key, is checking the harmony not the melody. The key lies on the background chords more obviously then the solo. Yes, you can check that out by the notes on the solo, but some advanced solos are known to contain some out of scale notes that can mislead you. Now lets check this out:

Sanitorium has this backing arpegio as a backing:


E||-----------------------------------------------------
B||-----------------------------------------------------
G||-------0--------0------0-----------------------------
D||-----4--------5-------7--------0-------0-------------
A||---2--------3--------5-------4-------2-----4---------
E||-0--------0--------0-------5-------3-----5-----------


Take these as chords played as arpeggios so:

G-0
D-4
A-2
E-0

you have here E B F# G

it makes you a Emsus2

G-0
D-5
A-3
E-0

you have here E C G

C major

G-0
D-7
A-5
E-0

you have here E D A G

Em11

D-0
A-4
E-5

you have here A C# D

Asus4

D-0
A-2
E-3

you have here G B D

G


And then another Asus4


So basically you have a chord progression consisting of:

Emsus2-C-Em11 / Asus4-G-Asus4

(Em11 is lacking the 5th and 9th)

When you play this, you will feel a certain tendency of returning to E note. Thats because E is the key of this song. Determination of the key of the song is generally felt like that, but as you can see, it is generally the root of the first chord smile.gif That first chord is our key to all. It is a minor chord. So our song is possibly in E minor scale. Lets write it down:

E F# G A B C D E

Look to the chords above. You'll see the only incompatible chord there is Asus4, where you have C# in place of the C. That is a sharpened 6th. That gives you a E Dorian Mode. But you cant replace the C with C# in our main part and play the solo from E Dorian because we have a very significant C major chord which is incompatible with dorian, so we are supposed to play that sharpened 6th only (and optionnally) when that Asus4 G Asus4 is played. When you look to the solo you'll see all the notes are from E minor scale, only on 3rd repetition of the chordline, he has a descending run where he plays C# in place of C over the Asus-G-Asus part. And in the end he plays the chords...

This maybe a little complicated, but you asked a complicated solo, where there is a mode change biggrin.gif

Tell me if it is not clear ok?

Cheers smile.gif

Can




Posted by: jer Jan 23 2009, 03:42 AM

QUOTE
Tell me if it is not clear ok?


I'll look at this tomorrow at work.... Tonight isnt going well at all.....

I used my DV cam this time. Getting that up and running as a capture device was pure frustration so by the time I got to playing I was in a crappy mood.... But hey, I think I solved the sync issue...

First I warmed up with the string skipping exercise. It went ok... Pretty sloppy really.

Then the finger independence... That was ok too. Slow but getting more steady.

Then the strumming/arpeggios. I'm getting pretty upset that this isnt coming together yet... Have you seen any progress in the last 3 times?

Then I start ont he AIC Style lesson. The rhythm part is going ok I think, I improved the part that is supposed to let ring. Playing with that backing sucks cuz it starts after only 2 counts. I cant get the recorder going and then click play and be ready to go in 2 counts... (Note to instructors making backings)

The solo is going horribly. I included 3 takes on the video. All equally bad, I cant get the first note bent a whole step before hitting the E&B string notes together. Then when I do hit those notes they are frequently out of tune. I'm bending them a bit unintentionally....

Oh yeah, did I mention I am having tuning issues? Brand new strings, brand new guitar, its driving me up the wall..... All the bending on the AIC lesson wasnt helping matters.....

Back to the solo. Playing it at 115 and it sounds rushed. Gonna have to slow it down. This will be hard cuz there are only 3 backing track speeds. And the GP file doesnt have drums so its useless. Perhaps I'll add some...

I'm noticing more and more that when I do slow down GP files the timing goes weird at times too. That throws me off. Losfer Words seemed to suffer really bad from that tonight.

The last part of the solo section I started with is killing me. Its off the beat, which I am no good at so of course its problematic. I cant tell where the notes go in the beat.... Its wrong on all 3 clips. Very wrong. The whole thing stinks. And there is plenty more to go. Yeah, I'm pretty down about this.

Losfer Words - This was all over the place. No progress made here. I didnt even finish it. My mind was all over the place and I just had to quit.... So much of what I did was wrong. I felt the time of the slowed down GP file was fluctuating.... Maybe is was just me.

Tonight wasnt good. The arpeggio exercise is not really any better than before I dont think. I played through it about 15 times. The AIC Style lesson is off to a poor start. Losfer Words isnt going anywhere. I cannot even dream of playing it up to speed. I didnt even get to Sanitarium....

Its one of those days.

Oh, and I filmed in widescreen and movie maker (which I use to recode it to a less than 2 gig file) squeezed it back to full frame, so its kinda off.....


Posted by: enforcer Jan 23 2009, 04:46 AM

Hey buddy,

Well I dont know its this video you are actually talking about or there is another one which is total disaster? I strongly disagree with you this being a sucky night:D

I will post detailled comments tomorrow, but rest assured, this is not a disaster, you maybe having a bad night, there is no problem about that. Maybe you slept less the night before or overslept etc, this are the things that reduce your focus, so you may make mistakes thats normal.

By the way, I see here that you made a great improvement on strumming exercise, in last video you had hard time passing from some positions to others while playing chords and your timing had some issues, there are none here apart from a single F playing near the end.

On losfer words you only made some errors, that doesnt make you a total disaster, as I mentioned before, just lack of focus. On 5-4-0 part which is very long, you got bored and you forgot to enter the open string part: same reason, and in the end you played 2 times the main riff in place of playing it 4 times thats all so these things arent problems. You widened your vibratos which is cool and add to that a better sense in timing on them.

I see your tempo feeling has improved greately lately, maybe that is why you think some problems exists. Yeah you have timing issues, especially when you are not focused, but everybody has that, that is the inheritence of being human, your sense of time is relative. With time and practices with metronome this flaw can be compansated for. And also there were really some problems with GP in losfer, if you use RSE try to turn it of and see if this will solve your problem.

For AIC lesson, that problem is the most normal thing in the world, this is the second time you are playing that exercise, plus, it contains a solo. The fact that you are having problems is very normal, we will work harder together and you will overcome these problems thats all.

So dont feel overwhelmed and such, just try to relax for tonight, sleep well and tomorrow before beginning the exercise session, try to clear your mind. Put your Judas cd on, listen to your favorite song and get in the mood. You will nail those exercises, thats not because you must, but because those problems must break, and they got no choice versus a strong will and dedication.

Later Man! smile.gif

Can

Posted by: jer Jan 23 2009, 05:38 AM

Thanks man I needed that.

And you are right.

I came back to Losfer as you were writing this and took another swing at it.

I also changed some things. This time I took the midi from the GP file and put it in Sonar. I then used the simple cakewalk TTS-1 synth that comes in sonar for the drum/bass/guitar sounds. Its not that cool but it works. Why did I do this? TO GET AWAY FROM GPs JERKY TIMING ISSUE WHEN SLOWING IT DOWN!

PROBLEM SOLVED.

Steady time all the way thru.

I also recorded the guitar part in Sonar and sync'd it with the video I captured with my DV cam in Vegas.

The video/audio are 1000% better than anything else I've done. (production-wise)

I love it. This is a huge load off.

Also, while playing it I did it all with headphones on. NOW I CAN CRANK IT UP!!!!! That helps me feel it. This is IRON FREAKIN MAIDEN, Its gotta be loud!!!!!

The results are FAR better.

Not perfect.

But better.

I also upped the tempo just a tad.

That helped too.

My night is better now.

Video on the way up.


Edit: Language.../skennington






oh man, even censored language gets edited? These moderators mean business!

Its all good. I'll make a note of that. smile.gif

Posted by: enforcer Jan 23 2009, 12:49 PM

He he he, thats right now we are talking biggrin.gif


Posted by: enforcer Jan 23 2009, 05:28 PM

Now, deeper comments:

For strumming exercise, you are doing pretty well, just I will repeat the previous comment about the strumms, you should let ring every string individually. I know that is a very short time indeed, but you should try to stay in every string that little same time, thus playing that strumms more uniform. Thats all about that, you may speed up a bit, playing it a la metronome for example... You can speed up on this if you want buddy, I think you'll do just fine smile.gif

Alice in Chains exercise, that is going well, sure you couldnt repeat the first time stride, but thats because you are playing solo now, and you are better in rhythm playing. Keep going on this. If you wish you may isolate the solo part, play it seperately slower with metronome, than when you nailed that you may combine the rhythme and solo parts.

Final Losfer is going very well apart some minor mistakes. That is not an issue, but you should work on the outro too. On this take you were more focused, and motivated that made the difference. All on all great playing. If you wish you may try to play the solo of this, if you got bored of Losfer, I may give you a new solo, now that sanitorium has only lack of speed you may want to play another solo if you wish...

Now, lets talk about the real and only important problem here: buddy, generally you are not using your pinky much. Now that is a problem. Look your main theme playing on losfer. You generally play all the shapes with your first 3 fingers and you hide your pinky, maybe because you dont want it to get in the way of the other fingers biggrin.gif You are able to use every finger, so it is really a mistery to me why you dont want to use it. Maybe its because of these vibratos... You may inconciously think that your pinky is weak and you dont want it to get involved but there is a way to solve this, when you need to make bends or vibratos and/or bends you may have your pinky supported by your ring or index finger, there is no shame about it, as they are behind your pinky they wont affect the sound and that will give you a stronger grip. And also around 12th fret and beyound you have a habbit of anchoring your thumb over the fret board, this greatly reduces your finger reach range, so sometimes to reach other frets you need to move your hand, an extra motion of left hand which costs you some time. Thats about it, you need to anchor your thumbs on the back of your fretboard, use your pinky to increase your reaching range, to allow you play further without having to move your hand much. But maybe thats because you have hard time reaching lower strings too, if this is the case, try to shorten your strap a bit, and carry your guitar higher. I know it doesnt look very cool up there, but looks isnt our priority here, if it makes you play easier and better, I suggest you do it. Not up to your neck ofcourse, just a little up to provide you a better playing stance.

I am glad you solved the video problems, last video sync was great and also you can hear yourself clearly, just try not to hurt your ears, these are your most precious assets.

And also about that tuning problem, you may have some intonation issues there, you can check it using a tuner, tune perfectly the open string, then pick the 12th fret, if it is not in tune, you have a intonation problem on that string. (perform this on brand new strings) If you are confident with messing around with your guitar, I may describe you how to adjust your intonation. If not try to get that baby to a local luthier wink.gif

Try to solve that pinky problem, I dont think you have a problem in using it, but you dont want to use it, if you want I may give you some exercises about that.

I am looking forward to your exercises for tonight, and also you may give some little breaks after each individual exercises, to clear your head, that may improve your overall effectivity of practice session.

You are doing great, I totally feel that you are doing your best, and this will get you better. Take care!

Cheers:)

Can

Posted by: jer Jan 23 2009, 05:40 PM

QUOTE
E F# G A B C D E

Look to the chords above. You'll see the only incompatible chord there is Asus4, where you have C# in place of the C. That is a sharpened 6th. That gives you a E Dorian Mode. But you cant replace the C with C# in our main part and play the solo from E Dorian because we have a very significant C major chord which is incompatible with dorian, so we are supposed to play that sharpened 6th only (and optionnally) when that Asus4 G Asus4 is played. When you look to the solo you'll see all the notes are from E minor scale, only on 3rd repetition of the chordline, he has a descending run where he plays C# in place of C over the Asus-G-Asus part. And in the end he plays the chords...

This maybe a little complicated, but you asked a complicated solo, where there is a mode change

Tell me if it is not clear ok?


I think I follow you. All the notes played are from Emin. And the song starts on E. And has a minor tonality. All 3 of which support the Emin key.

EXCEPT that C# that shows up.

But whenever that C# is played the lead line over the top of it, if there is one, alters from straight Eminor's C to the C# so it doesnt clash.

Is that correct?

Posted by: enforcer Jan 23 2009, 05:46 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 23 2009, 06:40 PM) *
I think I follow you. All the notes played are from Emin. And the song starts on E. And has a minor tonality. All 3 of which support the Emin key.

EXCEPT that C# that shows up.

But whenever that C# is played the lead line over the top of it, if there is one, alters from straight Eminor's C to the C# so it doesnt clash.

Is that correct?


Yeah buddy,

the only thing that differs between the natural minor and dorian is the 6th, so when solo turn to E dorian (the part Asus4-G-Asus4 part) if you dont play C of natural minor it doesnt clash.

You are correct. smile.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 23 2009, 05:49 PM

cool.


In regards to my video, you do feel the Arpeggio/strumming thing is getting better steadily?

When upstrumming I know my strumming speeds are not consistant..... And I find it hard to keep my fingers from muting strings accidentally on certain chords.

Got any tips? You havent commented on form or posture much, aside from keeping my thumb behind the neck more often, so I'm assuming thats ok.

Posted by: enforcer Jan 23 2009, 06:06 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 23 2009, 06:49 PM) *
cool.


In regards to my video, you do feel the Arpeggio/strumming thing is getting better steadily?

When upstrumming I know my strumming speeds are not consistant..... And I find it hard to keep my fingers from muting strings accidentally on certain chords.

Got any tips? You havent commented on form or posture much, aside from keeping my thumb behind the neck more often, so I'm assuming thats ok.


Yeah your fingerings are great and your posture is getting better, actually I am making exercise with the same posture right now biggrin.gif

well only tip to get a clear unmuting sound is pressing the frets with only your finger tips, not inside part of your fingers and as I told you before keeping a convexe finger posture, check out this post of mine to see what I mean by convex finger posture:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=23221&view=findpost&p=316508

you see it on the 3rd and 4th pics.

Apart that you are doing great on strumming arpeggio exercises, making mistakes is normal, the thing is, trying to not repeat them ok?

Cheers smile.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 24 2009, 03:33 AM

The night got away from me.

I'll be practicing and posting a vid or 2 tomorrow morning.

Posted by: enforcer Jan 24 2009, 10:23 AM

Ok buddy I'll check them out in a few hours...

Posted by: jer Jan 24 2009, 04:39 PM

ok, I warmed up with the prescribed lessons.
Then did a video of the 1st 2/3 of the AIC solo. Its slowed way down. Not sure what the BPM is exactly cuz after I put the stuff in sonar its not lining up with the same numbers. But I dont think that really matters. The point is its slower. I'll get it down and then speed it up slowly.

I'm having a tough time with it. Its speedy for me. I'm just a slow lead player of the highest order.

Anyway, here is is. Shaky for sure, but getting there slowly.

The arpeggios. This I do feel is getting better.

Sanitarium. I did like 1000 takes of this. This is the best I could get. I started making new mistakes. I think due to concentration. I had been at it over an hour and my mind was starting to wander....

I'm gonna do a video of Losfer Words later today and the AIC stuff again.


Posted by: jer Jan 24 2009, 10:42 PM

Here is Losfer Words - Week 2 Day 3

Some mess ups... Dumb ones for a wandering mind. Each time it happened I was trying to think of something else.

Whats the next part?
Is my daughter going to yell to me from the basement while I am doing this?
Is the camera on?
Did I remember to hit record?

Now I know why there are producers. So all the performer has to do is CONCENTRATE AND PLAY!!!!!

Anyway, I tacked on the end part. I played it fine 3x before hitting the "suck button".


Posted by: enforcer Jan 25 2009, 02:12 PM

Man, really I didnt have much to say, your progress is obvious, so there is only two words I can say about the whole:

Pinky! and Thumb! Anchoring the thumb on the back of the fretboard while you are not bending notes is not the priority here just a suggestion, but you must use your pinky! Watch your videos, you are only using your first three fingers smile.gif And you dont use your pinky (you use sometimes but very very rarely)

Try to use it, and also keep your fingers near the strings at all time, never put them away from the keyboard too much. Thats because when you need to use them when they are needed, you must recover from that distance, and putting them far away reduces your reaction time...

Other than that, all the faults there is caused by lack of concentration you are right. But for just the ending riff of the losfer, you need to work on that lick hard.

The way you are working on AIC style is the correct one, you'll nail that in no time, I am sure of this.

Keep up the good work buddy, its getting better and better...

Later man! laugh.gif

Can


Posted by: jer Jan 26 2009, 01:50 AM

I got in about 90+ min today. Half on the Strumming/Arpeggios and half on the AIC Style lesson. I only video'd some of the AIC stuff. I set GP at 75% and looped the part of the solo I am working on.

Here you can see how it went. This is 5+ minutes of the same part looped and looped and looped.

Very hit or miss....

And NO I didnt use my pinky. smile.gif Its all only 2 frets apart... Didnt make sense too. I did try to keep my thumb back there though.


Posted by: enforcer Jan 26 2009, 12:17 PM

Yeah, that is an excellent way to nail this. How about other lessons?

Well I think I have to explain the pinky thingy biggrin.gif You say that its only 2 frets apart, so it doesnt make sense to use it. That is reasonable, and you are right. But think like this. We are working on these exercises to help you to auto memorize some cross string leaps, fingering positions etc. That means, tiny fragments of this solos will form your base licks inventory to use later as building blocks of improvised solos, other tunes even your own songs... So yes, you might find it unnecessary to use your pinky because it is easy at 12+ frets. But think like this, you play a pattern there, what about playing that same pattern from the 1st fret? There is a 2 fret distance which is considerable from that position, so you will need to play it with pinky. So you will play same pattern of notes, using a different fingering there, as we want to rely on your muscle memory, that will be inapplicable, you will need to make exercises about the same thing again. That is why I suggest you to use the same fingerings for same sequences all around the fretboard like tabs like 5-7-8 fingered with index-ring-pinky, 5-6-8 fingered with index middle pinky and 5-7-9 fingered with index middle pinky wide...

Now, for tonight I would like to have a video of Strumming arpeggio exercise with the speed you can play it clean and right. A final take for Sanitorium solo, and string skipping exercise. Because I plan to give you new exercises for new techniques...

Later man, take care laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 26 2009, 01:12 PM

I squeezed this out before work this morning.

I used the original song as a backing. I am on the right, the backing is on the left. Very easy to hear me over it this way. I'm a touch louder than the backing too.

I'm pleased. This is the first session I played it up to speed since I started. All of a sudden its possible!!!!! I did about 9x thru this morning. This was the last one.

Not perfect, but ya know? NOT BAD EITHER!

I'm pleased.



Tonight I'll do the strumming one as a final. As well as the string skipping exercise. Thats coming along well. Since its used as a warmup I havent been video-ing it.

Honestly I dont see myself getting the AIC lesson up to speed this week. But I want to keep going on it.



I just realized that the youtube audio is mono...

Here is a wav of the audio if that helps.
www.jershangout.com/files/uploads/temp/sani-jer-final.wav

***ACTUALLY IF YOU HIT HQ IN THE YOUTUBE VIDEO IT IS IN STEREO!***

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Posted by: enforcer Jan 26 2009, 01:13 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 26 2009, 02:05 PM) *
I squeezed this out before work this morning.

I used the original song as a backing. I am ont he right, the backing is on the left. Very easy to hear me over it this way. I'm a touch louder than the backing too.

I'm pleased. This is the first session I played it up to speed since I started. All of a sudden its possible!!!!! I did about 9x thru this morning. This was the last one.

Not perfect, but ya know? NOT BAD EITHER!

I'm pleased.



Tonight I'll do the strumming one as a final. As well as the string skipping exercise. Thats coming along well. Since its used as a warmup I havent been video-ing it.

Honestly I dont see myself getting the AIC lesson up to speed this week. But I want to keep going on it.



Heheheheh! I hate to say this (no I dont smile.gif ) but havent I told you? Playing slow is the only key to success and suddenly BAM! you can play it!!! Your take is great, just one little addendum you should widen and slow down your vibratos a little bit thats all.

Keep up this way and you'll nail AIC lesson aswell smile.gif

Great buddy that is wonderful! laugh.gif



Posted by: jer Jan 26 2009, 01:34 PM

QUOTE
you should widen and slow down your vibratos a little bit


I know. And as I keep playing it (even though we are done with it here) I will. This time was just about playing it at speed. Next time will be about playing it at speed and cleaning it up more. Then playing it at speed, cleanly, with wider vibratos.

Baby steps.

This is how I am practicing the AIC solo too. I just keep doing it and doing it and doing it and doing it. Weird how it sounds mediocre at best over and over and over and then all of a sudden it pops and sounds good. You'd think you'd see a steady incline. Not true in my case. Its like BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD GOOD.

Posted by: fatb0t Jan 26 2009, 01:44 PM

Jer, that axe looks great and the sounds coming out of it are even better..good job dude.

Posted by: jer Jan 26 2009, 01:53 PM

Thanks fatb0t!

Posted by: enforcer Jan 26 2009, 01:56 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 26 2009, 02:34 PM) *
I know. And as I keep playing it (even though we are done with it here) I will. This time was just about playing it at speed. Next time will be about playing it at speed and cleaning it up more. Then playing it at speed, cleanly, with wider vibratos.

Baby steps.

This is how I am practicing the AIC solo too. I just keep doing it and doing it and doing it and doing it. Weird how it sounds mediocre at best over and over and over and then all of a sudden it pops and sounds good. You'd think you'd see a steady incline. Not true in my case. Its like BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD GOOD.


Yeah! You got it correct biggrin.gif

in my case progress is like this:

bad BAAAD bad WOOORSE bad bad baddish goodlike still Bad gettingbetter BAD BADasINcommonMAN! suddenly GOOD BETTER somedays stillBAD then VERYGOOD

you see I'm kinda more inconsistent than you laugh.gif

QUOTE (fatb0t @ Jan 26 2009, 02:44 PM) *
Jer, that axe looks great and the sounds coming out of it are even better..good job dude.


hey fatb0t! Would you like a coffee? laugh.gif

Nice work you are doing with sonofdestiny there buddy, keep it up! biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 26 2009, 02:03 PM

I'll take a coffee.

Be there in what? 15 hours by plane?

Tonight - my final take of the strumming/arpeggios lesson and my final take of the string skipping exercise. I'll be working on the AIC lesson too.

However, going forward I'll still be playing the string skipping exercise as a warmup. And none of these lessons are getting shelved. I'll play them from time to time to stay sharp on them.


Posted by: jer Jan 27 2009, 04:16 AM

Here we go.

String skipping - this isnt very good. And honestly I play it much better. I'm not sure what happened here.

Strumming/Arpeggios - Ehhhhhhh. This is at 100bpm. The target speed. First session I ever did that in. Not real good. I really have a harder timeplaying this on my ESP. The neck is far narrower down there than on the Jackson....

AIC Style - This didnt go very well at all. And to be honest I'm not at all surprised. I'm just not in the mood to play tonight. This solo is just very hard for me. I did add on another bar though. This is all at 75%. And very sloppy and inconsistant. This one is gonna take a few weekd. Probably 10 with the other stuff on my plate too.

I tried Losfer Words and was messing it up from the word go. So I didnt bother.

I'm not down on myself, I'm just not psyched to play tonight. And it shows. Plus the AIC solo I find very hard.


Posted by: enforcer Jan 27 2009, 09:50 AM

Hey Jeremy,

All is going better IMO, you nearly nailed Strumming exercise, not a big problem in string skipping errors are normal I dont know if you have noticed but you play it very fast. Its sometimes difficult to notice your improvement as you play these exercises everyday biggrin.gif You may check your videos from previous week. All will get better I am sure of this. You play AIC solo right, it is only a matter of time before you play it totally without mistakes, after you achived doing this, you'll build speed. So everything looks just fine. We will possibly dump Sanitorium solo in shelf, so all I want is just a big final video of sanitorium solo tonight if its possible.

Keep this up, you'll get better mate!

Cheers smile.gif

Can

Posted by: jer Jan 27 2009, 12:45 PM

I thought we were done with Sanitarium yesterday. I'll do another one tonight.

Is how I did the last one ok? Playing with the original mp3? Panning it L/R like that?

Posted by: jer Jan 27 2009, 02:54 PM

In addition to the Sanitarium question, what do you want me to have on my agenda for this week? I see the next lesson in the syllabus is posted. Alternate Picking Thirds.

Here is what I have so far, let me know what to adjust and add. Also, an exercises like the alt picking 3rds one is best for me if broken up into chunks. What do you recommend my 1st goal for that one be?

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Practice Agenda Week 3 MTP

70min per session - Minimum of 6 times per week.

WARMUP 10min
*Can's SI string skipping exercise
*Finger Independence
*Strumming/Arpeggio Exercise

30min Alice In Chains Style Lesson
*current goal = rhythm part at 100%
solo at 75%

30min Losfer Words
*Goal 75% without flaws. Then speed it up.

Record 2nd Sanitarium Final

-------------------------------------------------------------------

edit: updated

Posted by: enforcer Jan 27 2009, 08:22 PM

He he its great you are willing to do new exercises, but you still got losfer and aic to nail, and we yet to complete AIC lesson, we will do the alternate picking thirds in 2 days, just give losfer 2 days more biggrin.gif

If you wish I can give you the schedule of the new week but I really dont recommend you to work on any of it.

Last Sanitorium video was great, but you have to repeat your success for this to be a real success. That is why I want you to give it 1 more shot ok?

Posted by: opeth.db Jan 27 2009, 08:24 PM

Yea. Calm down Jer. wink.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 27 2009, 08:29 PM

Opeth? Who asked you!?!?

Haha! Just kidding man.

No prob, I thought we had to keep up with the syllabus. If we've got the freedom to deviate then so be it!

Works for me.

Losfer Words - Thats going to take a while to get up to speed. I'll keep on it though.

Sanitarium - I'll post another winner tonight. Then we can move past that one.

AIC - Getting that to speed will take a LOT longer. Longer than this month long pilot program is running. I'll be working on it some more and try to get through the whole solo at 75%

No worries here. I just need to be realsitic with the times this will take. I wish I could get in 2 sessions a day. But I have this pesky job.... And you can only get so much learning done in one sitting before your brain shuts off and you need to sleep on it.


Posted by: opeth.db Jan 27 2009, 08:30 PM

smile.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 27 2009, 08:31 PM

I modified my agenda above.


Posted by: enforcer Jan 27 2009, 09:14 PM

Man I am really pissed off! Man I wrote a real long program here with all the explanations for the next week and suddenly ie decided to reload the page! It is all gone! >:(

Ok I'll rewrite it hang on biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 27 2009, 09:15 PM

Oh man, I hate that.

For long stuff I'll open word or something and copy in to it every once in a while.

Thats happened to me too many times...

Posted by: enforcer Jan 27 2009, 09:54 PM

MTP Training Program for Phase 3

i. New Song: Iron Maiden - The Trooper and Both Solos of this song

Target: Develop trills, hammer on pull off, some rock cliches, Fast pentatonic runs, bends, combining rhythme and melodic content.

Notes: Why playing a tune from Iron Maiden again? Besides the fact that we love iron maiden both of us, Maiden is an awesome bridge between rhythmic and melodic content. Besides solos are fast but relatively easy, themes are lovely and catchy. Songs contain a lot of repetitions so while playing a song, you have to virtually play a lick lots of times and in the end you have no choice but to nail it eventually smile.gif

ii. New exercise: Muris Varajic - Jumping Around Beginner or Intermediate

Target: Develop speedy transitions between various positions on fretboard. And all in all it is an exercise by Muris which will contain different creative approaches and unusual difficulties. We will have fun smile.gif

iii. New Syllabus Recommendation Exercise: Tantarella Rock or Slow Pentatonics

Target: Introduction to a new solo, new solos introduce new problem areas, so you can gain new abilities and develop further. For this week playing 20 secs of the exercise of choice at original speed.

Notes: It is essential to chose the one you like, and you think you will work on while having more fun.

iv. Developping Speed: Iron Maiden Losfer Words, Alice in Chains Exercise

Target: Play this instrumental song with original speed. Our first priority is completing Losfer, and with time AIC will also reach its original speed.

Notes: We will continue on these continously, our first priority is to complete Losfer Words, then we will play at original speed and flawlessly near the end of the 4th week.

v. New Instrumental Song: Metallica - Call of Cthulu

Target: Get familiar with the riffs of this tune, accomplishing to play it to the metronome. It contains strumming, arpeggios, rhythmic licks, melodies, solo, and good timing. We hope to get a half of this song done near the end of the 4th week.

Notes: This week, we will only memorize the song structure and fingering / fret positions of this song. That song will replace our arpeggio/Strumming exercise once that is completed.


vi. Theory

Target: Learn modes and practical use of Major/Minor/Modal Scales determining the key of a progression and choosing available scales and scale patterns for improvisation.


I definitely need feedback about this program. Dont let it become a source of intimidation for you. You are able to overcome all of this before the end of 4th week that is for sure. Baby steps as you previously mentioned, inch by inch we will conquer all this exercises. And we will have fun too.

I am waiting for your comments about this ok mate?

Later smile.gif

Can laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 27 2009, 10:15 PM

This stuff takes us from the start of week 3 til when?

Next week? = NO WAY.

Even over the next 2 weeks that sounds like far more than what I can accomplish. What I need from you is how to break this down into maneageable chunks. Like my agenda is. What am I working on for my 1st session? Warmup for 10min then what?

Looking at all of it like that its too much.

Let me know what I can be doing when I am away from the guitar too. I have time then as well.

details follow:

i - heck YEAH!!!! This is my all time favorite Iron Maiden tune. I cannot play it. Its always been very intimidating.

ii - the intermediate one of these scares the heck out of me. Lets say beginner here. I'll tackle the intermediate one later....

iii - Tantarella Rock - this looks too fun.

iv - gotcha

v - gotcha

vi - what does this entail? Just book work? Discussions? Question and answer stuff? Will I need a guitar? If not I can do this kind of thing during the day. I need more details here.

Posted by: enforcer Jan 27 2009, 10:30 PM

i. He he he I knew you would like it!
ii. It is done, we will work on the beginner one, if you succeed too quickly we will switch to the other.
iii. Yeah me too I liked that, but just didnt wanted to make all the choices for you. That is fun to play
vi. We will do some Q&A and some theory work, mostly things you wont need your guitar to study, that is for evalute the wasted time (mostly at work if you have some time laugh.gif ) And some little applications (like little improvisations) that you will mostly do the mind work, using easy licks in your arsenal(not like exercising)

There is no definite ending time, these exercises consist the mainstream of your workload here. If you happen to have some difficulties about specific topics, I may suggest you some "point strike" exercises too.

for vi. you'll see when we are going to start to work with it, so dont be confused about this subject, it will be easier than you possibly think.

I hope thats ok bro smile.gif

Cheers!

Posted by: jer Jan 27 2009, 10:33 PM

ok, I'm confused.

I have been looking at this from a "we have 4 weeks and thats all she wrote" point of view.

Who knows if the program will continue? If so, will you and I still be assigned? Those kinds of questions have been in the back of my mind. This new list is far more than 2 weeks of work for me.

Are you saying that you and I will be going forward indefinitely on this stuff? Assuming that the MTP keeps rolling and I am assigned to work with you for as long as we both want to?


Posted by: enforcer Jan 27 2009, 11:07 PM

Hmm, I know you wont be able to finish all this exercises in the end of our 4 week period. But think about this, lets say I had a car accident tomorrow and I died. Wouldnt you be able to work on Losfer Words and AIC exercise by yourself? Yes you would. So lets say we couldnt finish some of those exercises at the end of week nr 4. But we would already have covered basics, and you would be in phase of speeding them up.

And also after the 4 week period, even I dont get to be amongs the chosen ones ( a la matrix tongue.gif ) I wont die, or quit GMC in an anger strike, so I will still be here, you can always ask questions about everything, I will try to answer you without the title of "mentor" but under the title "friend". I really think you are my friend, dont you?

Lets concentrate on the task in our hands, we will progress slowly with the program, so nothing is said and done biggrin.gif You have still 2 days before new assignments, and our schedule isnt written on stone so we will adjust in time as you and me see it fit ok? laugh.gif

Can

He he, we reached 1.666 views bro, substract that silly 1.000 and we have the 1 for you and me laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 28 2009, 12:18 AM

Its all good.

I was concerned about leaving a bunch of open ends at the end of the "official 4 weeks" but if you arent thats cool.

It'll be nice to stop worrying about the passing time and just practice.

I am sidelining my Wednesday night engagement until we are done with the 4wk program. Though I will be away on Friday this week.

Posted by: jer Jan 28 2009, 02:38 AM

QUOTE
Practice Agenda Week 3 MTP

70min per session - Minimum of 6 times per week.

WARMUP 10min
*Can's SI string skipping exercise
*Finger Independence
*Strumming/Arpeggio Exercise

30min Alice In Chains Style Lesson
*current goal = rhythm part at 100%
solo at 75%

30min Losfer Words
*Goal 75% without flaws. Then speed it up.

Record 2nd Sanitarium Final

-------------------------------------------------------------------


The Sanitarium Final 4

Still a few minor flubs in there. I wont be removing this from my practice regimine. Even though we're moving on from it here.



oops. I forgot to split them.... I'm right on top of the original.

You can still tell whats me though.

Posted by: jer Jan 28 2009, 03:19 AM

Losfer Words

Still making the same number of random errors. Though I did speed it up a tad this time. I did it 2x faster than this but I made too many mistakes so I backed it down some.

Faster than last time though.



Alice In Chains Style


Posted by: enforcer Jan 28 2009, 12:54 PM

These exercises rock! Only the problem is some errors on Losfer. Try to work individually on parts that you make errors the most like main theme, and the part after the open high E string run.

AIC is ok with that speed. Try to speed it up.

And are you having problems with bends? If so you may try to work on this exercise:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/slow-bending-guitar-licks/

This a very easy and short exercise, you can try this. Its from Kris biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 28 2009, 02:15 PM

Some bending I do. These bends followed by 2 notes together are tough. As I have to bend release and hit the other 2 notes quickly and often the 2nd 2 notes are out of whack since they are bent slightly as well. So to keep the 2nd 2 notes clear the bend is sacrificed.... Does that make sense?

What should my agenda be for tonight?

10min warmup

20 min _____

20 min _____

20 min _____

I work SOOOOOOOO much better if I have manageable chunks to look at. Versus that huge list.

Can you put something together?

Posted by: enforcer Jan 28 2009, 03:15 PM

As you wish bro here is tonights list:

10 min Warmup

20 min Losfer Words consisting of
-----10 min Continious practice of the main theme melody and the part that comes after the open high e string
-----10 min Whole song at current speed (tempo of last video)

20 min AIC exercise
-----10 min getting used to solo part with speed increase (a little faster than the speed on video)
-----10 min whole exercise (combining the solo and the rhythm parts)

20 min Kris' Slow bending Licks

5-10 mins taking the Videos and editing etc.

Is that ok?

For Tomorrow night I'll rewrite that training program (possibly make a substitude of Losfer with Trooper Intro and melody parts)


Posted by: jer Jan 28 2009, 03:20 PM

Perfect.

Thanks!

For "Continious practice of the main theme melody" do you mean the part the song starts with? The A string riff? Or the solo part that happens twice?

Posted by: enforcer Jan 28 2009, 03:25 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 28 2009, 04:20 PM) *
Perfect.

Thanks!

For "Continious practice of the main theme melody" do you mean the part the song starts with? The A string riff? Or the solo part that happens twice?



By that I mean solo part that happens twice (the dual guitar harmony actually)

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Posted by: jer Jan 28 2009, 03:28 PM

gotcha.

And I'll be concentrating on wide strong vibratos!

And I'll fret EVERYTHING WITH MY PINKY!!!!!!

Posted by: enforcer Jan 28 2009, 03:36 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 28 2009, 04:28 PM) *
gotcha.

And I'll be concentrating on wide strong vibratos!

And I'll fret EVERYTHING WITH MY PINKY!!!!!!


YEAH! And in the end after bending exercises, before you work with editting videos etc, remember to add a sixpack to your inventory, I'll be drinking in the name of our 2 week progress biggrin.gif

We did it man, and we will achieve much more! laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 28 2009, 03:53 PM

Can do!



Feel free to start on the theory stuff any time. I have time to spare during my workday. (the next 6 hours)

smile.gif

Posted by: opeth.db Jan 28 2009, 04:42 PM

Your doing great enforcer! I have been following this thread pretty closely...


Jer told me hes gonna give you his new LTD as a constellation prize for helping him Can.

All kidding aside, A lot of progress in this thread is being made. Good job Jer! smile.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 28 2009, 04:49 PM

Actually I sent a UPS call tag for your Rhoads V and Valve King half-stack.

Next stop, ISTANBUL!




smile.gif

Posted by: enforcer Jan 28 2009, 04:55 PM

QUOTE (opeth.db @ Jan 28 2009, 05:42 PM) *
Your doing great enforcer! I have been following this thread pretty closely...


Jer told me hes gonna give you his new LTD as a constellation prize for helping him Can.

All kidding aside, A lot of progress in this thread is being made. Good job Jer! smile.gif


Thank you Dan, and you are right Jer has made a great improvement biggrin.gif Thats because of his dedication and awareness on what he is doing imo. I am glad to have him as a friend and also as a mentoree biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 29 2009, 12:55 AM

I'm making a drum/bass backing of Losfer Words at full speed, -10 bpm and -20 bpm



WHOOO HOOO! Just knocked one out at -10 BPM and I'm pretty pleased with it. Just a couple of tiny errors. The solo parts are WAY better. I still dont have the ending but thats cuz I really havent spent enough time on it. I can clean that up no prob.

Uploading now.

youtube isnt taking my video... unknown errors.... Trying again. If it doesnt take again I'll put it on my site for download.

Just made a backing for the AIC lesson. -10 -20 and -30 bpm speeds.

Goodbye GUITAR PRO!!!!!!!

What I did on the last AIC video was -30 BPM

I'll do tonight at -20

Posted by: enforcer Jan 29 2009, 01:10 AM

Thats great buddy biggrin.gif

I am awaiting your takes buddy! I am sure you'll nail them laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 29 2009, 02:06 AM


Posted by: Outlaw2112 Jan 29 2009, 02:16 AM

sounding good jer, keep up the good work...

Posted by: enforcer Jan 29 2009, 02:26 AM

YEAH! laugh.gif

Thats it buddy. You got it!

3 minor points

-Lack of vibrato on first melody part (dual guitar harmony thing) (but you got that on the 2nd repetition)

-Final lick, you seem to have hard time catching up with tempo at some point (work on that seperately with metronome)

-Try to slow down a little your vibratos if you are planning to keep them narrow

But this is a success. IMO we can start with Trooper on the next session...

Congratz Bro! You totally turned my mood from down to up biggrin.gif

Cheers biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 29 2009, 03:08 AM

Thanks man! You too Outlaw!

The AIC one is coming along slowly.

I tried this a bunch at -20BPM but in the end I needed to slow it back to -30BPM (75%)

Here is my vid. 1st I played it free form. Then started the backing. I just looped it and kept playing. Sometimes I made it to the end, sometimes I didnt.

I'm still struggling wit the end a lot.

Then I played it with the rhythm too. All at -30BPM (75%) I did mess up the rhythm some. It's the best I've done though and thats what counts. Progress baby! Progress.


Posted by: jer Jan 29 2009, 03:51 AM

Kris' Slow Bends Lesson

Not with the backing yet. Just getting it memorized so far.



All in all, it was a good night

Posted by: enforcer Jan 29 2009, 04:13 AM

Man, I am going to bed now its about 6.00am here, so I really need some sleep.

About bends, try to pick the target fret for the bend first. Memorise the sound of that. and after try to reach it with bend and hold on that note. There are some unwanted noises from others strings. That is normal. Try to mute lower strings with your palm and high strings with your free fingers. And also if you lack some strength for bending you may try to get some help from your other fingers by placing them on the string before the fret you are bending.

See ya tomorrow bro and take care! laugh.gif

Can

Posted by: jer Jan 29 2009, 04:31 AM

I fixed the bad video link

Yep, I hear ya on the bends. Thats the stuff that I'm trying to do. I just need to be better at it.

Posted by: jer Jan 29 2009, 06:33 PM

Hey Can!

Did ya check the other vid?

Lets talk some theory bro!!!!

Posted by: enforcer Jan 29 2009, 06:34 PM

About AIC, final take is done, but I see you have some little problems with the final pentatonic descent. You may isolate it and play it with a slower metronome, when you get it, do it altogether. This shouldnt take much time buddy, as in the final take you were actually able to play it!

biggrin.gif well done mate, you have the schedule isnt it? It is same with the previous one but start to Trooper instead of Losfer words.



It was very hard to find a tab with an exact solo tab, but I guess I found it. Our immediate target is to play whole song at %50 at least. But this is easier than it looks. Solo has some very easy but speedy licks, once you get them memmorised, you can nail them like in a few days buddy. Here is the tab:



 the_trooper_ver5.gp3 ( 54.65K ) : 74
 

Posted by: jer Jan 29 2009, 07:00 PM

YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWHHHHH
OOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Sounds good man.

I'll still be keeping Losfer Words current. And working on the ending. I'm going to try to get it 5 bpm faster by the end of the weekend if possible. With the ending.

What I plan on doing is using these previous lessons/exercises at the ends of my playing sessions. Kind of as a cool off / wind down thing.


Posted by: jer Jan 30 2009, 02:48 AM

QUOTE
About AIC, final take is done, but I see you have some little problems with the final pentatonic descent. You may isolate it and play it with a slower metronome,


Which part is this?


10 min Warmup

20 min Trooper
-----Goal 50% entire song

20 min AIC exercise
-----10 min getting used to solo part with speed increase (a little faster than the speed on video)
-----10 min whole exercise (combining the solo and the rhythm parts)

20 min Kris' Slow bending Licks

5-10 mins taking the Videos and editing etc.

Posted by: enforcer Jan 30 2009, 03:00 AM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 30 2009, 03:48 AM) *
Which part is this?


The part just before the end buddy... If you play it alright tonight, it doesnt matter anyways biggrin.gif

I planned to do a Q&A session for today, but actually I was too busy sorry for that. You may start by taking a look to my si lesson Intervallic aproach to the Modes and Chords... That is a good start for you who are familiar with the theory basics...

That schedule is ok by the way, I am awaiting your takes....

Cheers smile.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 30 2009, 06:59 AM

Spent some time on "The Trooper"

I'll be able to do the rhythm at 75% very soon. Here is a vid at 50 then 75.

I stopped at the solo. That of course is another story. Can you please check to see that the tab file is right. It doesnt feel right... And honestly playing it that slow doesnt sound at all right either. But I cant even do it at 50% so thats where I'll be for a while. My time tonight is just getting the rhythm down.



The AIC lesson was a train wreck. Still at -30bpm. Making more mistakes than last time. I know the pattern, I'm not looking at tab, but I still mess it up..... All of this was at -30 bpm (75%) I seriously dont see myself ever getting this up to speed. Which isnt a good attitude I know. I don't see how GMC has this as a beginner lesson. How many beginners are nailing this? Seriously. I'm not giving up. I'll keep at it.....



Kris' Bending Lesson is going ok. Need to work on the bends of course, but its getting there. At least its not too fast for me ALL of the time.



Overall I'd say an average night.... AIC is bumming me out. The Trooper rhythm is going well. The solo is very intimidating....

Posted by: enforcer Jan 30 2009, 01:48 PM

Hey buddy,

Pretty impressive start with trooper, and I had to add that you did a great timing job on the stopping parts on the first verse, you didnt had no metronome not anything and tempo was lower than the original so great job there biggrin.gif Curiously you did a lot more mistakes at %50 than %75, especially on the entry part. This is not a problem, it was your first take etc, maybe it was because of a little lack of concentration due to excitement. No matter. Great Job, you have nearly finished all the rhythm parts. You have just 2 little solos, that I am sure with the help of slower playing you will nail them. Solo tablature is correct, just its because how Guitar pro handles bends. Check original tune for performing that bends right ok? All in all that was a great first take buddy, keep it up... And I agree on that Mosh \m/ laugh.gif

Ok for the AIC lesson, trust me you are going well. You may want to check out previous videos. You are playing more confidently, and Kris' bending lesson is really serving its purpose. You bends are already better. You are making errors at various spots. But at different spots each time. That shows me that these problems are there because of some lack of focus. You'll do better saturday night. I am sure of this... And one final thing, be sure to make vibratos on the long notes. A long note is an opportunity, you can make it sound better, if you dont play it with vibrato, you are actually wasting that long note mate dont forget that buddy biggrin.gif

And finally Kris' bending exercise, same problem with AIC. You played it nearly perfect at the start of the video, then you started to make errors. Try to think nothing else while you are playing that exercise. When you start to automize the playing process and start to think of your daily life, you'll loose your timing sense and eventually those little delays will make you play it with mistakes. Concentration is the key!

YEah buddy, you are going faster than ever, that is good and bad. The thing that is good is you are getting better faster and faster, the bad thing is if you stuck in something now you'll have a psychological hit, you'll feel like a loser. Do you remember the day you felt so bad, just when you started to Arpeggio Strumming exercises, and you felt like you could easily play it with 100bpm but you failed even at 50bpm. Thats the case I am talking about. So take it easy, dont try to make it harder than it is for you. Dont forget AIC exercise has the priority now because it is the old stuff. Once you nailed it we will change it to new exercise ok?

Cheers man and keep up the good work!!! laugh.gif

Can

Posted by: jer Jan 30 2009, 02:03 PM

Yep. I'm with ya.

I'm not worried. I'm committed to making it happen and getting a lot better as a player this year.

I want to help you as an instructor and the rest of the GMC community by sharing what I am feeling as I go thru this as well. For 1 main reason.

**I know I'm not alone. I know lots of players feel like I do. Frustrated at times. And not a lot of them will express or get a chance to express that to their teacher. If they are lucky enough to even have one. By opening up and sharing this and getting the feedback from you its helping more people than just you and I. Like you said, we have over 1600 views. So I know its helping. Seeing the end result of a great video is nice too. But following the journey along the way shows that anyone can do it. All you need is a good intructor, some time, and perseverance. \m/ \m/ **

Posted by: enforcer Jan 30 2009, 02:13 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 30 2009, 03:03 PM) *
I want to help you as an instructor and the rest of the GMC community by sharing what I am feeling as I go thru this as well. For 1 main reason.

**I know I'm not alone. I know lots of players feel like I do. Frustrated at times. And not a lot of them will express or get a chance to express that to their teacher. If they are lucky enough to even have one. By opening up and sharing this and getting the feedback from you its helping more people than just you and I. Like you said, we have over 1600 views. So I know its helping. Seeing the end result of a great video is nice too. But following the journey along the way shows that anyone can do it. All you need is a good intructor, some time, and perseverance. \m/ \m/ **



Well said mate biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 30 2009, 03:56 PM

Hey Can,

Again, if you want to start any theory stuff here I'm all for it.



Posted by: enforcer Jan 30 2009, 04:15 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Jan 30 2009, 04:56 PM) *
Hey Can,

Again, if you want to start any theory stuff here I'm all for it.


Man, I have to go now, we have a gig tonight so I better get there early.

You could always check out my S.I lesson about intervals buddy. There you'll find a intervallic approach to the modes, and how to build chords... I am sure you'll find it useful. If you have questions ask me ok? I'll try to reply all of them tomorrow.

and also this is your free night isnt it? You mentioned earlier that you could have some stuff to do tonight am I correct?

Cheers buddy!

Posted by: jer Jan 30 2009, 04:26 PM

Yeah, we've got people coming over. Dinner party kinda thing. Then "The Dark Knight" for a movie.

\m/ \m/

Cool, I'll check it out again. (SI Lesson)

Have a good show man!

Posted by: enforcer Jan 30 2009, 04:29 PM

Thank you man! Dark Knight is a great movie, I wish the guy who acts as Joker was still alive, he did a great job there...

Have a good night buddy

Cya!

Posted by: jer Jan 30 2009, 05:45 PM

I read thru part one of the lesson.

I totally understand that concept. I can sit down and tell you the formulas for all the modes. I do have to think about it in my head. Or write it out. But I do understand it.

I have neve rapplied it to anything though. So its just an idea on paper.

But the idea does make sense.


Posted by: jer Jan 30 2009, 10:55 PM

Hey Can,

I'll be doing a practice session tomorrow morning. So I'll be posting some videos here in about 19 hours or so.

I'll stick with this unless I hear otherwise.

QUOTE
10 min Warmup

20 min Trooper
-----Goal 50% solo
-----Goal 80% rhythm

20 min AIC exercise
-----Goal = 75% solo - completely clean.

20 min Kris' Slow bending Licks
------Goal = 10% clean

5-10 mins taking the Videos and editing etc.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Jan 31 2009, 03:26 AM

jer youre making great progress... enforcer is an excellent teacher

keep up the great work

Posted by: lcsdds Jan 31 2009, 04:39 AM

Jer,
I gotta say I am really impressed with your work ethic. As someone who can identify with you as having to balance a wife, kids job and a serious guitar addiction I really hope you get your playing to level that you want it to. Just wanted to say I have a lot of respect for how hard you are working. Keep it up man and you'll get ther man!!. I think you are a real inspiration for alot of players on this board, at least you should be!!. Enforcer, you are doing an awesome job as well. Good job both of you guys!!! biggrin.gif

Monte

Posted by: enforcer Jan 31 2009, 09:49 AM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jan 31 2009, 05:39 AM) *
Jer,
I gotta say I am really impressed with your work ethic. As someone who can identify with you as having to balance a wife, kids job and a serious guitar addiction I really hope you get your playing to level that you want it to. Just wanted to say I have a lot of respect for how hard you are working. Keep it up man and you'll get ther man!!. I think you are a real inspiration for alot of players on this board, at least you should be!!. Enforcer, you are doing an awesome job as well. Good job both of you guys!!! biggrin.gif

Monte


Jer is a great student Monte, apart his willingness and dedication, his ability to follow a scheduled program is just amazing. And also his progress is also very consistent. He is doing a great job for sure smile.gif

QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ Jan 31 2009, 04:26 AM) *
jer youre making great progress... enforcer is an excellent teacher

keep up the great work


Thank you John ! smile.gif

Posted by: jer Jan 31 2009, 05:13 PM

Here is my trooper video. Still at 75% I thought I speeded it up a bit but I guess I didnt. Regular is 160. I was at 120. My next one will be at 130 for the rhythm part. I started the solo too. I cant get the feel of it from the guitar pro file. So I lisitened to the real song and used GP tab and got the feel that way.



AIC - Getting better. Still at 75%



More later on tonight.

Posted by: enforcer Jan 31 2009, 05:50 PM

Jer watch out! smile.gif

here comes the detail (devils disguise):

Theory question and application-> In what key is the Trooper? Try to detect the key and the scale for the first solo part. (Second part is different) So after finding out the key, try to find if is major or minor. And when all that is done, try to apply this on practice: Which notes can be played and which notes are forbidden?

That will help you actually practicing the solo. When you cant remember if at one point you have to press 9th or 10th fret for example, knowing that 9th fret is out of scale, will help you to remember where to put that finger...

Trooper is going well, you are still at some point of getting used to song, and you are making mistakes on easier rhythme parts because they are too easy and you loose concentration. Intro is ok, verses are ok (apart some remembering song traffic issues) but on melodies, you have some little problems try to work on that... And always buddy, when you work with anything, especially solos, try to keep the metronome beat there, as this will have a direct impact on how successiful you put that special part back to the song... For that long and slow bends, to maintain stability, try to use more than one finger...

About AIC Solo, man I fear you might need to drop it to something like %65. Once you play it perfectly without anykind of errors you might speed up a bit play it there like 100 times without error. Like you did, after you stopped you bt. But stopping the bt is not an answer, if you set your bt to a lower tempo this will either guide you, and will help you maintaining that same perfectness when you speed up. For example listen to the take near the end. You tend to slow down with difficulty building up. Well that is not a solution, as you can already play that in that speed that you are dropping to. You should keep your speed constant. If you get faster whole part must be fast, if not whole part must be slower... Try that for tonight, practice AIC Solo with %65-70 kind of speed, you'll see tomorrow you'll be playing it better with %75 biggrin.gif

All in all, you are doing great, work in progress becoming better. Dont forget Kris' bending exercise, that will help you get your bends better biggrin.gif

Cheers mate!
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Posted by: jer Feb 1 2009, 02:16 AM

Thanks for the kind words Monte and Outlaw.


Posted by: jer Feb 1 2009, 04:28 AM


Posted by: jer Feb 1 2009, 05:14 AM



Seeing as how I had my Nightwish shirt on today I threw these in. I play these with the band. We havent played them in a while so there are some flubs. Its just for fun. Enjoy!




Posted by: enforcer Feb 1 2009, 12:24 PM

Kris' Bending Exercise is done, if you are able to, I highly recommend you to send that video to January Beginner Challenge....You have very little time left, and you succeeded on this in a few days only, but even if you are unable to win that, that would be a good contribution biggrin.gif

Lets take that exercise to our warming-up arsenal and replace it with Tantarella Rock biggrin.gif

AIC video solo is also great, you may consider speeding up. Take a video with + 5/10 bpm with rhythm parts too ok?

By the way, your nightwish videos are great by the way, you prove there that you got nearly all the skills to be a great metal rhythm guitarist. Now our target is to become a great solo guitarist biggrin.gif

So your schedule for tonight is:

-Trooper Solo Workout
----10 mins getting used to positions
----10 mins getting it done

-AIC Lesson
----10 mins speed up, and gettin used to playing solo up to speed
----10 mins performing whole exercise (rhythm and solo) together up to new speed

-Tantarella Rock Lesson
----Learning the solo, Getting used to positions and setting a optimal slower rhythm



Keep up the great job buddy you are doing this perfect laugh.gif

Can




Posted by: jer Feb 1 2009, 02:18 PM

Sounds good man!

I'll look at the theory stuff at work this week.

Also, starting in about 2 hours my wife is out of town until Friday night.

So I'll be the only parent with a 4yr old daughter and a dog to take care of. Not to mention my normal load....

I'm still making it my goal to have a 1hr+ session each evening though. But in case something weird happens, thats why.


Posted by: jer Feb 2 2009, 12:37 AM

Some AIC coming at ya.

1st video -35 bpm



2nd video - 30 bpm


3rd video -20 bpm


4th video -10 bpm


this is one of those days where you dont feel like you are getting anywhere.

Posted by: enforcer Feb 2 2009, 01:19 AM

Are you kidding me? This actually is a great progress!!!

From the videos I can tell that your comfort zone extends to -15bpm. And you are nearly there at -10bpm!!! You nearly nailed this. Keep practicing at -15bpm until you make virtually no mistakes... (Actually you did play hardest part in -10bpm first take, but this is not a real anchor. So your target it playing this perfectly at -10 bpm and beyond. You are doing great, if you have time from regular responsabilities today I will be very happy with other videos too!

Congratz man! I started to think you are no longer a beginner with your recent strides! GMC really works laugh.gif

Cheers brother!

Can smile.gif

Posted by: jer Feb 2 2009, 01:36 AM

Not perfect.

But I'm just stoked that I am within 10bpm of normal speed. And its DISCERNABLE!

\m/ \m/


Posted by: enforcer Feb 2 2009, 02:34 AM

man its been processed for ever! I am dying here! laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Feb 2 2009, 02:51 AM

ME TOO!!!!!


Posted by: enforcer Feb 2 2009, 11:23 AM

Finally I could watch it mate! You surely dont have any problems about rhythm licks of this tune buddy. Thats being said, you should start working on the solo too:lol: You know the keyword: practice slowly and speed up gradually... And what about tantarella exercise? laugh.gif

Ok, that was a relief buddy, you are going better and better with each day, plus you started to do some speed runs with solos... laugh.gif Keep up the good work!

Cheers

Posted by: jer Feb 2 2009, 12:54 PM

I started learning the Tantarella exercise too. Just learing the parts so far. Nothing worth filming.

Yeah, I'll run thru the rhythm on the Trooper at this speed each time but I'll be focusing on the solo now.For me, if its a song I want to play the rhythm parts are important too so I hate skipoping them and focusing on a single part of the song. I have to be competant in all of it. And the rhythm is 80% of the song. But yeah, solo time now!

More tonight. And I'll be looking at the theory questions you posed today at work.


Posted by: jer Feb 2 2009, 06:23 PM

QUOTE
Theory question and application-> In what key is the Trooper? Try to detect the key and the scale for the first solo part. (Second part is different) So after finding out the key, try to find if is major or minor. And when all that is done, try to apply this on practice: Which notes can be played and which notes are forbidden?


I’ll explain my thinking as I answer this. Hopefully that helps you see how I look at this stuff. That way if I am off base we can see why.

My gut tells me that everything Iron Maiden has ever written is in Emin. But that may not be true.  So lets look further into this solo here.

I’ll be using the guitar pro tab and referencing that when needed.

Okey dokey, here we go. Page 6 of the tab. The solo starts with a lick that includes the following notes. (this is the part of the solo I played before. The 1st 4 bars. Before the long repeating run)

E, D, B, A, Bb, G, C,

First thoughts:

**Starts on E. (Emin)
**Cant have B and Bb can you? The Bb is a very quick sort of passing tone though…

Lets put the notes in order starting on E.

E, G, A, Bb, B, C

What are the notes of Emin? (start on E and apply WHWWHWW)

E, F#, G, A, B, C, D

Yep, except that Bb this would fit Emin.

Thoughts so far?

Posted by: enforcer Feb 2 2009, 07:39 PM

Ok, there is a problem here, the easiest place you can search for the key to the song is backing chords... Look to the same page but to the other guitar. Backing guitar is playing: E5-D5-B5-C5-D5 for the first solo and the for the second one backing is A5-G5-E5-F5-G5

That gives you these following deductions:

-The key to the solo must be E for the first solo... (The chord progression is willing to return to E note you may say where it finds its peace...)

-The scale for the solo must contain these notes:

E-B (from E5)
D-A (from D5)
B-F#(from B5)
C-G(from C5)

so you have E F# G A B C D if you write this in order. You have the Eminor scale

On the other hand for the second solo:

A-E (A5)
G-D (G5)
E-B (E5)
F-C (F5)

you have C D E F G A B this cant be Eminor as it has F instead of F#, you can easily spot here that this progression starts by A and you have the natural major scale above and its related minor is Aminor and automatically you can say this must be A minor. There you are right. This second solo is a direct modulation from E to A and the second solo is from A minor. This is an obvious characteristic maiden solo, they generally start to a solo with Emin with one guitarist than they modulate the backing solo from E to A or to G minor biggrin.gif

Hope this is useful. And by the way you can ask me why he used a Bb over E minor there. That is fairly and easy question. Generally maiden guitarist use a lot E minor pentatonic runs for fast solos. And there there are using blues scales too instead of pentatonics sometimes. Bb is the blue note, that is all. Do you remember the note that differs in pentatonic and blues scale?

Cheers smile.gif

Can


Remember what I've said before buddy, the solo actually might contain some out of scale notes. But

Posted by: jer Feb 2 2009, 07:57 PM

I misunderstood you then.

When you said: "Try to detect the key and the scale for the first solo part."

I thought you wanted me to find the key based on the solo. I found it to be Emin.

You are saying that is correct, yes?

I hadnt looked at the 2nd solo yet. You already answered that.

What next?

QUOTE
Do you remember the note that differs in pentatonic and blues scale?


I'm familiar with the blue note in the blues scales. And that its the pentatonic scale with an extra note. But I dont know what your question is asking...

Posted by: enforcer Feb 2 2009, 08:13 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Feb 2 2009, 08:57 PM) *
I misunderstood you then.

When you said: "Try to detect the key and the scale for the first solo part."

I thought you wanted me to find the key based on the solo. I found it to be Emin.

You are saying that is correct, yes?

I hadnt looked at the 2nd solo yet. You already answered that.

What next?



I'm familiar with the blue note in the blues scales. And that its the pentatonic scale with an extra note. But I dont know what your question is asking...


Yeah buddy you were right about Emin I just wanted to show you a very precise way to find the key and the scale biggrin.gif I didnt asked you anything about Emin pent and E blues scales I just wanted to be sure that you know them, and you know them its ok biggrin.gif

These tricks like the one I explained before as the modulation from E to A etc are the keys to learn a style from a band and replicate or make it better.

I want you to learn intervals for building modes from any note... Like you may use for major: TTSTTTS or minor: TSTTSTT you may want to fill that for the following:

Ionian:
Dorian:
Phrygian:
Lydian:
Mixolydian:
Aeolian:
Locrian:

It is not hard, you can find this information in many place on forums...

Cheers smile.gif

Posted by: jer Feb 2 2009, 08:39 PM

QUOTE
I want you to learn intervals for building modes from any note... Like you may use for major: TTSTTTS or minor: TSTTSTT you may want to fill that for the following:


Ionian: ttsttts
Dorian: tstttst
Phrygian: stttstt
Lydian: tttstts
Mixolydian: ttsttst
Aeolian:tsttstt
Locrian:sttsttt

Posted by: enforcer Feb 2 2009, 08:45 PM

Ok, now try to play this on guitar when you get home. All from a key that you like, you may use 3 note per string method.

Now lets make things a little interesting.

Write these modes in the following way:

Ionian(major) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Aeolian(minor) 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7

Dorian:
Phrygian:
Lydian:
Mixolydian:
Locrian:

Posted by: jer Feb 2 2009, 10:30 PM

QUOTE
Ok, now try to play this on guitar when you get home. All from a key that you like, you may use 3 note per string method.


Play what?

QUOTE
Write these modes in the following way:

Ionian(major) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Aeolian(minor) 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7

Dorian:
Phrygian:
Lydian:
Mixolydian:
Locrian:


Ok, here I dont have any sort of "system" or "Shortcut" that I am aware of. I just have to write them all out and compare to the major scale.

I'll use C as an example.

Dorian - tstttst C, D, Eb, F, G, A, Bb Compared to Cmaj tells me that its = 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7

Phrygian - stttstt C, Db, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb = 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7

Lydian- tttstts C, D, E, F#, G, A, B = 1 2 3 #4 5 6 7 (is that right? #4? Is that how you write that?)

Mixolydian - ttsttst C, D, E, F, G, A, Bb = 1 2 3 4 5 6 b7

Locrian - sttsttt C, Db, Eb, F, Gb, Ab, Bb = 1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7


Posted by: enforcer Feb 2 2009, 10:32 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Feb 2 2009, 11:06 PM) *
Play what?


Pick a note, for example D...

You should play 7 modes from the root D. Try to memorize how they sound like... I just try to familiarize you with the modal content, if it feels kinda silly just tell me laugh.gif


Posted by: jer Feb 2 2009, 10:44 PM

QUOTE
You should play 7 modes from the root D. Try to memorize how they sound like... I just try to familiarize you with the modal content


I see.

Question 1 - Do you want me to start on the 6th string root all the time?

Question 2 - I am under the understanding that to "hear" what the flavor of each mode is, there needs to be a backing to play over. As thats how the modes work. Do you want me to play a Dmaj chord and then play each mode over the top of it in D? (is that how it would be done?)

Posted by: enforcer Feb 2 2009, 11:09 PM

Ok, answer 1: you'll just need 3 strings to play a modal scale with 3 notes per string way. that means 6th and 5th string root choices will result in the same shape. Starting from 4th string, you'll need to shift your last pair of notes one fret up due to B string. Starting from 3rd string youll need to shift next 2 string shape one fret up etc... So its up to you...

2: You dont need a backing but you'll be able to understand which chord will fit which mode at the end of this session.

So you find out that:

Ionian 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

Dorian 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7

Phrygian = 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7

Lydian = 1 2 3 #4 5 6 7 (is that right? #4? Is that how you write that?)

Mixolydian = 1 2 3 4 5 6 b7

Aeolian = 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7

Locrian = 1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7

Now what I want you to do is grouping together major ones and minor ones together. There is one with dim5. Which one is this?

(you are doing this great, actually basic music theory is easier than people think)

Posted by: jer Feb 3 2009, 04:31 AM

Tonights grind.

smile.gif

Tarantella Rock - off to a good start. (I think) -30 BPM



AIC -30 BPM (75%) I cant tell if this is getting any better or not.



Trooper - All solo. HALF SPEED -80 bpm That second part is KILLING me. I sat there and tried and tried and tried to find what beat that run starts on. And with the GP file its somewhere between 2 beats. I'm really guessing where each time. No way thats the correct way to learn. Its gonna take me a while to get through this part. I need to be able to count into that and I just cant....

Hey, guess what I just discovered.... The camera wasnt running..... SWEAR WORD!!!!!!

I'm not setting everything back up for this. Not tonight. More on the trooper tomorrow night.

DANG.


Posted by: enforcer Feb 3 2009, 11:40 AM

Yes buddy, you did this good. Tarantella has a nice start now.

For AIC, I though you were playing it nice with -15 bpm... You made mistakes thats why you slowed down the metronome?

Its a shame to find out that your camera wasnt working sad.gif Now as I cant see this I cant give you any suggestions... Maybe you just can isolate that part that gives you creeps and play it even slower until you can play all the solo with the same speed without much effort... Believe me there are only a few tricks on that solo, and they are things that you can use everywhere while making some improvisational stuff.

That was one of these nights, I believe, buddy. But surely this is because you got a lot of responsabilities at home now that you wife is out of town. We dont have much tonight but you'll do better, and I got an inside source who told me even if I dont get choosen for the next phase, these mentoring programs will continue if we choose to continue to do lessons... So we dont really have a time restriction. smile.gif

Cheers smile.gif

Posted by: jer Feb 3 2009, 01:26 PM

QUOTE
For AIC, I though you were playing it nice with -15 bpm... You made mistakes thats why you slowed down the metronome?


I'm struggling to get the solo down correctly more than 2x in a row at -30 even. I find it very speedy. It doesnt sound that fast but to my hands it is. I'm going to try and get it down at -20 tonight.

QUOTE
Maybe you just can isolate that part that gives you creeps and play it even slower until you can play all the solo with the same speed without much effort...


Its that repeating run on the 2nd and 3rd strings.

CODE
       12  15  
14b


That bend comes and goes very fast and then youmove to the next string. That part is killing me. The big part is it doesnt seem to start on the beat. So going into it is very sloppy. That and it speeds up as it nears the end of the lick. I couldnt even get it down cleanly at 1/2 speed. More tonight.

Great news on the continuing. I really like working with you and I'd love to continue as long as you'll have me.

Posted by: jer Feb 3 2009, 04:28 PM

I did a little practicing this morning. Nothing with video. My pc wasnt even on. Just running thru some stuff while the little one was having breakfast.



QUOTE
Ionian 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Dorian 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7
Phrygian = 1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7
Lydian = 1 2 3 #4 5 6 7 (is that right? #4? Is that how you write that?)
Mixolydian = 1 2 3 4 5 6 b7
Aeolian = 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7
Locrian = 1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7

Now what I want you to do is grouping together major ones and minor ones together. There is one with dim5. Which one is this?


The dim5 one is Locrian. The oddball.

Major = Ionian. Lydian, Mixolydian
Minor = Aeolian, Dorian, Phrygian

I decided this based on the 3 or b3. Is that correct?

Posted by: jer Feb 3 2009, 05:12 PM

Is this correct?

CODE
A Ionian    1 2 3 4 5 6 7   ttsttts
----------------
----------------
----------------
-----6---7------
--5----7----9---
--5----7----9---

A Dorian    1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7   tstttst
-----------------
-----------------
-----------------
--5----7---------
--5----7-----9---
--5----7--8------

A Phrygian   1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7  stttstt
-----------------
-----------------
-----------------
--5-----7--------
--5-----7--8-----
--5--6-----8-----

A Lydian    1 2 3 #4 5 6 7    tttstts
------------------
------------------
------------------
-----6---7--------
-----6---7----9---
--5------7----9---

A Mixolydian   1 2 3 4 5 6 b7  ttsttst
----------------
----------------
----------------
--5----7--------
--5----7----9---
--5----7----9---

A Aeolian  1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7  tsttstt
----------------
----------------
----------------
--5----7--------
--5----7---8----
--5----7---8----

A Locrian   1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7   sttsttt
-----------------
-----------------
-----------------
--5-------7------
--5----6-----8---
--5----6-----8---

Posted by: enforcer Feb 3 2009, 05:36 PM

Yeah Jer, these are totally correct. Now lets check out which chords we can build using the 1-3-5 and 7th notes... I'll do this as follows for ionian:

Ionian: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
When you combine 1 3 5 7 you have a Maj7 chord.

1-) Try to name the chords which you can form by using the 1 3 5 7th degrees from the other modes...

2-) Try to group modes that has major and minor characteristics. There is one mode that has a diminished characteristic. Which one is this? (This is actually easier if you name the native chords for all the modes)

Posted by: jer Feb 3 2009, 05:46 PM

QUOTE
2-) Try to group modes that has major and minor characteristics. There is one mode that has a diminished characteristic. Which one is this? (This is actually easier if you name the native chords for all the modes)


I did this in a previous post.

The dim5 one is Locrian. The oddball.

Major = Ionian. Lydian, Mixolydian
Minor = Aeolian, Dorian, Phrygian

I decided this based on the 3 or b3. Is that correct?

QUOTE
1-) Try to name the chords which you can form by using the 1 3 5 7th degrees from the other modes...


I dont follow this. I know for Aeolian it will be a Min7 chord. But I have no idea on the others.

Posted by: enforcer Feb 3 2009, 06:21 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Feb 3 2009, 06:46 PM) *
I did this in a previous post.

The dim5 one is Locrian. The oddball.

Major = Ionian. Lydian, Mixolydian
Minor = Aeolian, Dorian, Phrygian

I decided this based on the 3 or b3. Is that correct?


Sorry buddy, I think I just missed it biggrin.gif

That is a correct assumption, you check if a scale is minor or major by checking the 3rd note on the scale.

QUOTE
I dont follow this. I know for Aeolian it will be a Min7 chord. But I have no idea on the others.



Ok lets take another example:

Mixolydian: 1 2 3 4 5 6 b7

you take the root. You add the 3rd, this is a major 3rd so you have a major 3rd interval with the root.

Second, you add the 5, and you have a major triad. Than you add 7th. In this case this is a minor 7th, b7 or a dominant 7th. When you add this you have a dominant 7th chord.

Lets suppose you have G for the root. When you add the 3rd 5th and dominant 7th you have a G7 chord (G dominant 7th)

And Aeolian has a Min7 chord, you are correct. Lets see why is that.

Aeolian: 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7, so your chord will use the 1 b3 5 and b7. With 1 b3 5, you have a minor triad. When you add b7 to this you have a min7 chord. So native chord for aeolian is the min7 chord.

Got it?

Posted by: jer Feb 3 2009, 06:36 PM

QUOTE
Ok lets take another example:

Mixolydian: 1 2 3 4 5 6 b7

you take the root. You add the 3rd, this is a major 3rd so you have a major 3rd interval with the root.

Second, you add the 5, and you have a major triad.


I follow you this far.

QUOTE
Than you add 7th. In this case this is a minor 7th, b7 or a dominant 7th. When you add this you have a dominant 7th chord.


You are losing me here. I see b7. *minor 7th, b7 or a dominant 7th* is tha t3 names for the same thing?


Posted by: enforcer Feb 3 2009, 06:52 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Feb 3 2009, 07:36 PM) *
You are losing me here. I see b7. *minor 7th, b7 or a dominant 7th* is tha t3 names for the same thing?


Ok lets take this that way, as you are aware of this in western music you have 12 notes in total. Those are:

C C#/Db D D#/Eb E F F#/Gb G G#/Ab A A#/Bb B

When you play two notes together you have the notion of intervals:

Lets take C as the root

0 semitones - > C-C Unison (no interval)
1 semitones - > C-C# minor 2nd
2 semitones - > C-D major 2nd
3 semitones - > C-D# minor 3rd
4 semitones - > C-E major 3rd /diminished 4th
5 semitones - > C-F perfect 4th
6 semitones - > C-F# augmented 4th / diminished 5th
7 semitones - > C-G perfect 5th
8 semitones - > G-G# augmented 5th / minor 6th
9 semitones - > G-A major 6th
10 semitones - > G-A# dominant 7th / minor 7th
11 semitones - > G-B major 7th
12 semitones - > C-C octave

so you have these names for intervals. Lets check mixolydian:

you have

1 2 3 4 5 6 b7

so you have here:

root / major 2nd / minor 3rd / perfect 4th / perfect 5th / major 6th / minor 7th

minor 7th is also called dominant 7th.

Hope this cleared things a little. I am waiting for your questions about this.

and also in classical music notation you use numbers to imply these notes so:

b6 is a minor 6th b7 is a major 7th...

Posted by: jer Feb 3 2009, 06:58 PM

I see. count the tones/semi tones to find the interval and name it after the interval. NOT THE NOTE.

yes?



QUOTE
Lets suppose you have G for the root. When you add the 3rd 5th and dominant 7th you have a G7 chord (G dominant 7th)


Since the 7th is also called a minor 7 why dont we call is Gm7? Is that because the 3rd is major? To be Gm7 it'd have to have a minor third?

multiple names for the same thing is very confusing.....

Posted by: enforcer Feb 3 2009, 07:14 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Feb 3 2009, 07:58 PM) *
I see. count the tones/semi tones to find the interval and name it after the interval. NOT THE NOTE.

yes?

Yes you are totally right. These names are not about the note but the intervals
QUOTE
Since the 7th is also called a minor 7 why dont we call is Gm7? Is that because the 3rd is major? To be Gm7 it'd have to have a minor third?

multiple names for the same thing is very confusing.....


No you cant say Gm7 because this would be actually 1 b3 5 b7, you are right thats because of the min3rd. The reason you call it G7 is the presence of major 3rd. When you have b3 and b7 you have Gmin7 or Gm7, if you have 3 and b7 you have a G7, and finally if you have a 3 and 7 you have a Gmaj7. Also, uncommon but, if you have a b3 and 7, you'll have a Gmin/maj7 chord laugh.gif

I know this must feel a little confusing but actually really it is not buddy. Notation differencies are due to classical music/jazz and popular music approach differencies.



Posted by: jer Feb 3 2009, 07:23 PM

ok gotcha. On to the Aeolian one then.

QUOTE
Aeolian: 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7, so your chord will use the 1 b3 5 and b7. With 1 b3 5, you have a minor triad. When you add b7 to this you have a min7 chord. So native chord for aeolian is the min7 chord.


I follow this except for the b7 again.

Lets use A for example. Why isnt this called "A minor dominant 7"?

do we just call it minor once if there are 2 minors in the chord?

Posted by: enforcer Feb 3 2009, 07:42 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Feb 3 2009, 08:23 PM) *
ok gotcha. On to the Aeolian one then.



I follow this except for the b7 again.

Lets use A for example. Why isnt this called "A minor dominant 7"?

do we just call it minor once if there are 2 minors in the chord?


Ok, think like this:

You know, when we talk about a minor chord, we would surely expect a minor 3rd isnt it? Also when we say the minor scale, we expect that to have a minor3rd with minor6th and minor7th if this is a natural minor. So, when you talk about a Amin7 chord, you expect to have a minor 3rd and a 7th by default. Because this is the natural way. When you have a maj7 there, that is an unusual thing so you must write there, yeah this is a minor chord but it has a major 7! So you write: Amin/maj7. Why dont you call it A minor dominant 7? that is because it is the same thing to say A minor minor7.

I know that is a little different from the major point of view, because when you see a major chord you expect that 7th must be a major 7th in the natural way, and you tend to write it like G7. But you cant because to write a major chord with a minor 7th like Gmin7 that way. But this is impossible since you write Gminor with a minor 7th that way. So they chose to write it like Gmaj7 for the major chord with a major7th and G7 the major chord with min7th conventionnaly to prevent misunderstanding.

The reasoning here can be a little confusing, but just try to remember this

minor 3rd and minor 7th is called a Xmin7 chord
minor 3rd and major 7th is called a Xmin/maj7 chord
major 3rd and minor 7th is called a X7 chord
major 3rd and major 7th is called a Xmaj7 chord

Hope this enlightened the subject a little. Keep the questions coming, I'll answer all of that within my knowledge...

Posted by: jer Feb 3 2009, 07:48 PM

ok, I think I follow you here.

So, where were we?

Posted by: enforcer Feb 3 2009, 07:51 PM

Ok, we were talking about finding native chords to modes ok? Now we have chords for Ionian / Mixolydian / Aeolian... We have Dorian / Phrygian / Lydian / Locrian left smile.gif

Ok, we were talking about finding native chords to modes ok? Now we have chords for Ionian / Mixolydian / Aeolian... We have Dorian / Phrygian / Lydian / Locrian left smile.gif

Posted by: jer Feb 3 2009, 08:04 PM

I used A for the examples here.

CODE
Dorian     1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7    
  Ok, the b3 tells me its minor. So lets say     Amin7.



Phrygian  1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7  
OK here we have the same thing…       Amin7



Lydian     1 2 3 #4 5 6 7
  Hmmm… all major here….                           Amaj7  



Locrian    1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7            
There is that dim 5th…                Amin7/dim5


Posted by: enforcer Feb 3 2009, 08:34 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Feb 3 2009, 09:04 PM) *
I used A for the examples here.

CODE
Dorian     1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7    
  Ok, the b3 tells me its minor. So lets say     Amin7.



Phrygian  1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7  
OK here we have the same thing…       Amin7



Lydian     1 2 3 #4 5 6 7
  Hmmm… all major here….                           Amaj7  



Locrian    1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7            
There is that dim 5th…                Amin7/dim5


all correct. Just remeber that locrians diminished property is more important than its being minor or major. Here is your priority list:

Root is the most important thing in a chord.
Next comes the 5th. If 5th is not a perfect 5th, it changes all the feeling the chord. You have 3 options in that. Regular fifth, diminished fifth (noted dim5 or 5-) or augmented 5th (noted aug5 or 5+) Note that if you dont play the regular 5th, it is ok. Even in some playing in extended chords like 13th that requires 7 strings in guitar, you can omit the 5th and play it in 6 stringed guitar. That is because because of some physics reasons about string vibration, you already have the note of the perfect 5th in root note already.

After that you have 3rd. When you have a regular perfect 5th on your chord, minor 3rd/major 3rd in a chord defines everything.

After that comes 7th, 9th, 11th and 13th...

Lets list the chords of the modes:

Ionian : maj7
Dorian : min7
Phyrigian : min7
Lydian: maj7
Mixolydian: dominant7
Aeolian: min7
Locrian: dim5

so the best way to play these scales are with the backing of these chords... When there is some chord progression, you actually have to choose the right mode... Is that ok?

Posted by: jer Feb 3 2009, 09:03 PM

yeah, that makes sense.



So, lets say I was playing this chord progression.


E5 D5 A5 B5

We have the notes E, F#, A, B, D (yes?)

And we determine that the key of the progression is Emin. (starts on E, and Emin has E, F#, G, A, B, C, D)

So we can solo in Emin. We know that.

If we look at E Aeolian and the sequence of modes, does that mean that we could also use these?

E Aeolian
F# Locrian
G Ionian
A Dorian
B Phrygian
C Lydian
D Mixolydian

Since all 7 of those have the same notes?





Posted by: enforcer Feb 3 2009, 09:03 PM

Ok, thats ok for today I think. I will write comments on your videos, what do you plan on doing tonight?

Posted by: jer Feb 3 2009, 09:12 PM

oh man, at least tell me if I'm right on that last post.

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Tonight.

20 min - Tantarella - I plan on adding in the next part for this.

20 min - AIC - I'm not consistent enough at the -30 bpm so I'm not sure if speeding it up will do any good.

20 min - trooper - I cant seem to get that 1st repeating run down at even half speed. And I cant find where in the beat it starts. I posted this earlier. Got any ideas here? How would you finger that? How do I count into it? I dont want to burn up multiple nights not getting anywhere if there is something I am missing.

Posted by: enforcer Feb 3 2009, 09:32 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Feb 3 2009, 10:03 PM) *
yeah, that makes sense.



So, lets say I was playing this chord progression.


E5 D5 A5 B5

We have the notes E, F#, A, B, D (yes?)

And we determine that the key of the progression is Emin. (starts on E, and Emin has E, F#, G, A, B, C, D)

So we can solo in Emin. We know that.

If we look at E Aeolian and the sequence of modes, does that mean that we could also use these?

E Aeolian
F# Locrian
G Ionian
A Dorian
B Phrygian
C Lydian
D Mixolydian

Since all 7 of those have the same notes?


sorry buddy you added this just before I wrote my own post biggrin.gif


Ok, we will use Emin that is for sure, but we have to think like this:

E5 D5 A5 B5


We will play E aeolian when E5 is there, then we will start to think like D Mixolydian while D5 is played, When A5 is played we will think like we have a A dorian, and with B5 we'll think like we are soloing in B Phrygian. Yes, notes are the same but think like our root is constantly changing with chord changes. Ofcourse when we do that, it means we are playing in an extremely theoretical way. You can keep this simple, you can use Emin over the whole chord progression but try to play notes that have some kind of relation with root notes of progressing chords(like 3rd 5th etc) but in related modes...

You know, there is no certain formula to play a good solo, and music is an art not maths, so you play with your heart while improvising but you need to follow this kind of rules to keep things more secure and simple.

Ok, I believe for tonight you'll notice you are playing AIC more consistently, solo for trooper will need you to play it as slow as you can possibly. But you'll speed up on this faster than other exercises. I have to check fingerings for that, can you give me the bar number for the parts you have problems? Its ok for tantarella...

Posted by: jer Feb 3 2009, 09:49 PM

QUOTE
We will play E aeolian when E5 is there, then we will start to think like D Mixolydian while D5 is played, When A5 is played we will think like we have a A dorian, and with B5 we'll think like we are soloing in B Phrygian. Yes, notes are the same but think like our root is constantly changing with chord changes. Ofcourse when we do that, it means we are playing in an extremely theoretical way. You can keep this simple, you can use Emin over the whole chord progression but try to play notes that have some kind of relation with root notes of progressing chords(like 3rd 5th etc) but in related modes...

You know, there is no certain formula to play a good solo, and music is an art not maths, so you play with your heart while improvising but you need to follow this kind of rules to keep things more secure and simple.


Yep, I'm with ya 100%. Thats what I think too. And thats what I meant by the mode choices I used.

QUOTE
solo for trooper will need you to play it as slow as you can possibly. But you'll speed up on this faster than other exercises. I have to check fingerings for that, can you give me the bar number for the parts you have problems?


Bar 94

Posted by: enforcer Feb 3 2009, 10:21 PM

ok, in bar 94, you have a bending rock cliché, I would play this by placing my middle finger on 14th fret on G string, place my index to 12th fret in B string, and bend the 14th up to place play the 12th on B and using my ring play the 15th fret on B string. Another way to play that (especially if you have hard time bending the string up to right note) using index finger to fret 12th fret on B, use your ring on 14th fret on G string and bend with the help of middle finger and play the 15th fret on B string with the pinky. Its up to you to choose biggrin.gif


Posted by: jer Feb 3 2009, 10:37 PM

yep, those are the two ways I've been trying it.

A full bend is 2 frets yes?

Bending that note that far and then quickly releasing and getting to the next note at the speed this is at is appearing darn near impossible to me.


Posted by: enforcer Feb 3 2009, 10:51 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Feb 3 2009, 11:37 PM) *
yep, those are the two ways I've been trying it.

A full bend is 2 frets yes?

Bending that note that far and then quickly releasing and getting to the next note at the speed this is at is appearing darn near impossible to me.


A full bend is 2 frets, and at full bend 14@G will be unison with 12@B, and one last thing, you dont change your position. Dont take your bend fingers away. Keep them there in the place, use mentioned fingers to play the other notes that is to say:

Put your index to 12@B put your middle and ring to 14@G Pick the G string, bend the 14th@G and keep that there, pick B string (12@B will ring) place your pinky to 15@B(while doing this still keep your other fingers in their place) pick B string (15@B will ring) take your pinky away(string mustnt ring), release the bend(without sound) pick G string bend the 14th, pick B string (12@B will ring) put your pinky at 15th. This is the cycle. Perform that slow, and eventually you'll start to do this in a flashing speed...

Posted by: jer Feb 3 2009, 11:29 PM

ok, this will be on the video tonight.

Thanks.

Posted by: enforcer Feb 3 2009, 11:37 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Feb 4 2009, 12:29 AM) *
ok, this will be on the video tonight.

Thanks.

np man glad I could help biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Feb 4 2009, 05:44 AM

just did a 15min warmup

beginner strumming/arpeggios
string skipping exercise
Kris' Bending Exercise
Losfer Words

Then I had to stop and put my daughter back to bed....

Then 20 min on Tantarella The video is a couple times at 90bpm then once or twice at the full 120. I find it easier to play at full speed, except for the one part that you see me keep messing up. I have to tack on the last lick and at least I’ll know it all by memory.



20 min on AIC. All at -20 solo only.



Trooper video coming....

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 4 2009, 06:01 AM

Jer,
One suggestion. Anytime you come across a lick like the AIC lick at the end where you make mistakes you need to isolate that portion of the lick and make an excercise out of it. If you are having a tough time with that at -30 then drop just that portion of the lick down to -50 or -60 and loop the lick. Then slowly crank up the speed. What is happening is you are playing the solo great until you get to that part and then you are screwing up. Then you go all the way back to the beginning, start over and screw up again. Isolate just that lick, work it up to speed and THEN play the whole thing through.

Sorry for butting in Can. I'll go to bed now. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Monte

Posted by: jer Feb 4 2009, 06:51 AM

20 min on the trooper. Lots of talking in the video. You’ll see what’s happening.




hmmmmm, this cut off earlier than it was supposed to.... Dont know why. I still have the longer one. Gonna see if I can fix it.



uploading the second part now.

Monte,

Thanks for the input man. That makes a lot of sense. I think (rather I know) that I feel a lot of pressure to get this stuff done. Like its so simple and I shouldnt be taking this long to do it. Maybe its self induced, maybe it isnt, I dont know....

That is making me want to move faster than I think I should.



Part 2 of my trooper video



Posted by: enforcer Feb 4 2009, 12:41 PM

Ok Bro, I see your problems and now we will try to solve them...

Firstly there is no hurry, really, dont feel you should end something by the end of a limited time, cos there is no such time, I seriously dont think I will be selected for the next round, not because of our problems here, but because of my own technical flaws, so we are comfy here, and we've got lots of time.

So in AIC exercise: The problem with inconsistencies in -30bpm are solely psycological in my guess. On -20 bpm on the other hand there is a lackof speed problem at the end(but slightly really), so why dont you play this with -25bpm? Try this like the following: -30 bpm 2 times(flawless in a row), -25 bpm 3-4 times(f.i.a.r), -20 bpm 4-5 times(f.i.a.r), -15bpm. You can speed up when acquiring indicated flawlessness (is that a word?) levels biggrin.gif

For the trooper: Ok buddy, you are doing the move correctly. Yeah you need time to do this, you see, you tell me that you need to think about every move that you are doing in this. This is right. This is right way to go. Yeah you are walking now, but how does a baby learns about running? Think of this, while you learn walking step by step, you run instinctively with time. You dont learn running. But get there by walking.

About rhythmic issues, one of the greatest reasons we are working with maiden songs are the strong bass guitar feel. To get the right feeling you need to listen to bass beats, not to the drums which gives you a very wide feeling of time when played slowly. Try this you'll feel the difference. To memorize this part you can use mumbling, try to listen to solo without playing it with your guitar, replicate it by singing it (mumbling is a better word here) Get it in your head, try to play that.

About triplets and timing, one cant teach you how to understand that nation, you have to feel it all by yourself, but I prepared a gpro file. You can listen to it and notice.

Second guitar pro exercise is an exercise for you, try to play that with metronome on. That will help you understand the timing feel with quarter and 8th triplets and normal quarter and 8th notes...




hope this helps, and cheer up, really, you may think you are getting there slowly, but its better to get there slowly and solidly rather than in a haste and with wounds. You are doing great, we all have up and down times from time to time, just remember how suddently you started to play losfer words in speed...

I see you are really trying to get there, and personally I am doing all my best to get you there, and with this we have no other choice but getting there buddy, so its just time...

Later man,

Can smile.gif

 note_durations_on_a_constant_bar_in_a_constant_speed.gp5 ( 2.33K ) : 101
 duration_exercise.gp5 ( 2.62K ) : 108
 

Posted by: jer Feb 4 2009, 02:06 PM

QUOTE
Firstly there is no hurry, really, dont feel you should end something by the end of a limited time, cos there is no such time, I seriously dont think I will be selected for the next round, not because of our problems here, but because of my own technical flaws, so we are comfy here, and we've got lots of time.


Gotcha. OK. If you do get chosen we can break for a while and come back to it when you have time if you are willing. Well, you would get a break. Not me. I need to keep going!

QUOTE
So in AIC exercise: The problem with inconsistencies in -30bpm are solely psycological in my guess. On -20 bpm on the other hand there is a lackof speed problem at the end(but slightly really), so why dont you play this with -25bpm? Try this like the following: -30 bpm 2 times(flawless in a row), -25 bpm 3-4 times(f.i.a.r), -20 bpm 4-5 times(f.i.a.r), -15bpm. You can speed up when acquiring indicated flawlessness (is that a word?) levels


Got it.

QUOTE
For the trooper: Ok buddy, you are doing the move correctly. Yeah you need time to do this, you see, you tell me that you need to think about every move that you are doing in this. This is right. This is right way to go. Yeah you are walking now, but how does a baby learns about running? Think of this, while you learn walking step by step, you run instinctively with time. You dont learn running. But get there by walking.


So we just keep working at it slowly and surely building up speed? Eventually I'll be running? Or is there some particular line that we cross? Does that make sense? I'm not sure what I am saying.

QUOTE
About rhythmic issues, one of the greatest reasons we are working with maiden songs are the strong bass guitar feel. To get the right feeling you need to listen to bass beats, not to the drums which gives you a very wide feeling of time when played slowly. Try this you'll feel the difference. To memorize this part you can use mumbling, try to listen to solo without playing it with your guitar, replicate it by singing it (mumbling is a better word here) Get it in your head, try to play that.


Got it. I'll do that.

QUOTE
About triplets and timing, one cant teach you how to understand that nation, you have to feel it all by yourself, but I prepared a gpro file. You can listen to it and notice.

Second guitar pro exercise is an exercise for you, try to play that with metronome on. That will help you understand the timing feel with quarter and 8th triplets and normal quarter and 8th notes...


OK. Honestly I jus thavent tried triplets enough. I have looked at triplet exercises before and didnt "get it" right away so I quit. Then more recently others have tried explaining them to me as well. I listened but didnt put it into practice immediately. I just need to stop and dig in. Its not going to come to me automatically is it? smile.gif

QUOTE
hope this helps, and cheer up, really, you may think you are getting there slowly, but its better to get there slowly and solidly rather than in a haste and with wounds. You are doing great, we all have up and down times from time to time, just remember how suddently you started to play losfer words in speed...

I see you are really trying to get there, and personally I am doing all my best to get you there, and with this we have no other choice but getting there buddy, so its just time...


Yeah. No worries. I'm in a good place with it all. I just need to forget about time. I've spent less than 45 minutes on that run in the Trooper. Am I expecting myself to be able to play like Dave and Adrian after only 45 min? Thats just plain unrealistic. I need to calm down about time deadlines and just keep going. It'll fall into place in time.

You are doing great. Thanks for working with me. I appreciate it a lot.

I'm not whining about this. Or getting down on myself. Just sharing my feelings so you know where I am coming from on the inside. I figure it'll help you understand me better.

I'm up for more theory today if you have time. No worries if not. IF we have any uncovered stuf from yesterday lets clean that up first. Did we answer everything?


Posted by: enforcer Feb 4 2009, 02:17 PM

I can say I am very happy to be able to work with you and I have to state this plainly: You are a great student. You see your errors honestly and just dont try to finish them asap. That is a great way to go and this way you'll be more carefull and play better, much better then me I guess.

I will have to go to soundcheck in an hour, we have a gig tonight, so theory stuff may be a little short for today. But I'll do my best to keep it, well, adequate.

Lets talk about chords shall we? Lets start with you, what do you know about them? Where do you think your weakness lie in this?

Posted by: jer Feb 4 2009, 04:34 PM

Thanks Can, Anything worth doing is worth doing right.

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No worries ont he theory stuff. When you have time I'm ready. If not, not a big deal. We're not on a schedule remember? wink.gif

Chords.

Chords are made by using tones of the parent scale.

A chord has 3 or more different notes in it.

The root note doesnt have to be the lowest note in a chord but it seems is usually is. I think having a different note in the bass is an "inversion".

Major/Minor chords = 1-3-5 of the parent scale.
major/minor 7 = 1-3-5-7
major/minor9th = 1-3-5-7-9

etc....



Posted by: jer Feb 5 2009, 05:13 AM

Tonights Workout

Warmup

String skipping and a couple of covers. Pretty sloppy, but I havent played them in a while. Rhythms only. Along with the cd. Nothing fancy.





Tantarella Rock – Problem. There are only 2 backings and a very lacking GP file. I am doing ok at 90 bpm (75%) but 120 bpm (full speed) us too fast. Any suggestions? I tried playing the part I am stuck on to just a metronome beat and it didn’t go well at all. I couldn’t follow it. But the backing track I follow fine. I'm gonna have to force myself to work solely with that ANNOYING AS @$*# click arent I? smile.gif



AIC – Here is the solo at minus 25. It’ getting better. This is about the most consistent Ive been. I'm pleased with this.



Trooper – First the rhythm up to the solo at -10. Lets see if I can do that again on the first try. Made some errors early on but the main part of it is still there. I'm confident I can keep this up at -10 bpm without a whole lot of effort. I thought the rhythm at close to full speeds would be tougher than it is.



Trooper Solo – Half speed. I’m certainly feeling better here. I added on the next part and am feeling it all better now.




DANG IT!!!!!

All of my videos are cut off again.

We didnt lose anything this time. just more of the same.

After watching these again, there was much better Tantarella stuff after that cut off. I was improving more....

and of course, a big chunk of the Trooper rhythm part is missing.

Tantarella was first when I rendered them, I must have set something by accident so the others are the exact same length.....

I'll be more careful tomorrow night.

GRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

Posted by: enforcer Feb 5 2009, 02:43 PM

Wow, it was a rough night last night! Gig was awesome and I literally drowned myself in the bottle biggrin.gif

Great tunes buddy, and great playing, but we do know you play metal rhythms just fine dont we? wink.gif
\m/ \m/ \m/

Ok lets take a look to the stuff that you have done:

Theory stuff: Chords are ok for time being, everything is fine so there is nothing to see here, move along... tongue.gif laugh.gif

Tarantella: Ok, you definetly nailed all the notes. There are some minor timing issues buddy, especially when you are doing trills, keep at this speed for a while, try to play all that without a single error and with confident playing. I know you started this very soon, and you totally rock now that you can play this as a whole under a heavy workload. Thank you. And about that metronome issue, if there is no other backing between %75 and %100 I am afraid you'll need to play it with that annoying metronome clicks sad.gif

AIC: That is some good playing buddy. This works for me, your bends were great, timing adequate, last fast part was flawless over all great job. Now try to play like this in -20bpm

Trooper Rhythm: Ok here I believe there are some places you overplayed bro, for example, I cant see you picking hand but in main melody it looks like there is a picking management issue. That is like when you finish the trill you have to plan how you will pick the upper string... An upstroke or a downstroke? Take your time with this, play it very very slowly, concentrate on your picking hand and think about your right hand movements.. That should do the trick biggrin.gif

Trooper Solo: Obvious improvements. You do a great job here. Do you still feel that you are lost in timing? You dont look like that. Dont forget to count the triplets and the 16th's, and remember second fast part after the bending lick is in constant speed, it doesnt get fast biggrin.gif

Ok, that is going as planned, if you want you can check some older videos tonight before you start to play. You improved so much buddy. Just keep this like that laugh.gif


Posted by: jer Feb 5 2009, 04:07 PM

QUOTE
Great tunes buddy, and great playing, but we do know you play metal rhythms just fine dont we?
Sure. Just sharing what I warmed up with. And who knows, maybe you'll spot something in my playing there that will help me figure out the stuff we are doing better.

QUOTE
Trooper Rhythm: Ok here I believe there are some places you overplayed bro, for example, I cant see you picking hand but in main melody it looks like there is a picking management issue. That is like when you finish the trill you have to plan how you will pick the upper string... An upstroke or a downstroke?
I think I know what you mean here. I think a couple of times I trilled it too many times, adding a note that shouldnt be there. Is that what you are hearing?

QUOTE
Trooper Solo: Obvious improvements. You do a great job here. Do you still feel that you are lost in timing? You dont look like that. Dont forget to count the triplets and the 16th's, and remember second fast part after the bending lick is in constant speed, it doesnt get fast
Timing is better, using the bass as the guide into that. So starting the bendy lick is better. Once I'm in it though I still feel a bit lost. I'm not really counting anything other than, ok do 1 of these, and they get faster at the end. Hopefully I end it at the right time!

QUOTE
Dont forget to count the triplets and the 16th's,
Yeah, so far I'm not counting anything like that. And I dont know where to start. I forgot to look at those GP files you uploaded. Maybe that will help. Or perhaps you could throw up a quick video explaining it? I can send you my half speed backing if you want.

CONGRATS on the good gig by the way!

\m/ \m/

Posted by: enforcer Feb 5 2009, 04:34 PM

QUOTE
I think I know what you mean here. I think a couple of times I trilled it too many times, adding a note that shouldnt be there. Is that what you are hearing?


yeah that is it biggrin.gif


Now, MTP is officially over, and we got the pression off our shoulders. We will keep on the schedule... I am not sorry that I didnt got selected, on the contrary I am glad that we continue together...

Lets make you a great guitarist buddy biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Feb 5 2009, 04:48 PM

Sounds good Can. I sure appreciate you sticking with me. I know this is work for you too. I am more than understanding if you need to drop out of daily contact at any time. You've got lots to do in your life too I'm sure. Just let me know here in our thread. I'll keep going on the stuff I have on my plate and we'll catch up when you get back.

As long as you are around I'll keep firing questions at ya as I have them. And I'll keep going thru the theory stuff that you bring up here.

So, here is my current status.

Tantarella - get it clean at -30 Fix the trills. The speed it up with the dreaded metronome clicks.

AIC - I'm getting sick of playing this to be honest. But I dont see any value in quitting. I'm gonna keep at it and shoot for 7 clean solos in a row at -20

Trooper - I am approaching this in 2 secions. Rhythm and Solo. For rhythm, I'll back it off to -15 bpm (I was at -10) and clean up all the trills. Eliminate the tendancy to overplay them. Then once its consistant, bring it back to -10 then -5. For the solo, I'll keep on at half speed until I understand the time sig and am playing it 100% clean.

Cool?

Posted by: enforcer Feb 5 2009, 05:12 PM

YEah buddy biggrin.gif Wonderfull!

Posted by: jer Feb 5 2009, 05:27 PM

Hey admins?

Do we need to move our thread?

Posted by: jer Feb 6 2009, 04:41 AM

FYI - I took the night off. Went out to dinner with some friends. Enjoying some whiskey right now.

Think I'm gonna play some poker... Or watch a movie...

I dunno.

Gonna give the six stringer a rest tonight.

Posted by: enforcer Feb 6 2009, 07:09 AM

Ok buddy as you wish. I will have to go to somewhere for the weekend and I doubt there is an internet connection there... So send your videos, I'll do an extensive commentary when I return. And also feel free to ask Dan, to join you in your exercises, I dont know if he accepted my offer (or seen it already biggrin.gif) and if you have urgent questions for the weekend I am sure Monte will help you in my absence. Take care bro and keep on working biggrin.gif Nothing can stop us now! laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Feb 6 2009, 02:22 PM

Have a good weekend Can!

Talk to ya later.

Hey Dan, you need to learn the other half of thesde Maiden harmonies.....


Posted by: jer Feb 7 2009, 07:39 PM

My next vids

AIC - all at -20 Yeah, I sped it up a bit and its ok. Not real good but -20 will be my new baseline as I work towards -15.



Tantarella - I had this fine til I hit the SUCK button. You know, the one that says record?



The Trooper - I added on a bit more and kept playing the rest. Still at 1/2 speed. Still shaky as I get the notes memorized and try to feel the beat more.


Posted by: enforcer Feb 8 2009, 08:43 PM

Jer I am back! biggrin.gif I spent the weekend studying a damn exam, I hope I'll do it fine.. I will write comments about your work, just I wanted you to congratulate you you lead the january competition biggrin.gif and nice outfit!

Later man laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Feb 8 2009, 09:11 PM

Welcome back.

And thanks!

Posted by: enforcer Feb 8 2009, 09:42 PM

AIC, man really I got nothing to say about this, you are getting there just a little patience smile.gif

Tantarella, man you need to slow this a little bit to get there. I know there isnt any bt between 80 and 120 bpm but you need to cool down on this, to provide consistency...

Trooper, this speed is just fine, you dont have any playing errors buddy, just some memorizing issues. You need to memorise the counts of all repetitions to get this down. And IMO dont start the second solo without completing the first.

But really I am so amazed when I saw your videos buddy, you are far more comfy with your guitar now, and in one month you exorcised your soloing demons. That is wonderful, I would like to give you new things this week, so I hope you nail AIC and tantarella biggrin.gif

You are doing great buddy. And also I hope we'll have a Competition Winner in these days biggrin.gif


Cheers Man! biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Feb 8 2009, 11:04 PM

Thanks Can!

I'm going to slow down a bit.

We finally have a drummer for our band so there are some band things I need to be working on too. Not any less guitar playing, just more things I need to be playing.

No worries on forging ahead. I just wont have new videos as often.


Posted by: jer Feb 9 2009, 08:33 PM

Tantarella - Hey Can, I may be reading you wrong, but is sounds like you feel this one is farther off than I feel it is. There is only 1 part that I consistently stumble on. And its not every time. Do you feel there are issues with me playing it up to speed?

AIC - This one will still take some time. I hope to nail it at -20 this week.

With the band stuff firing up again, and me still working on AIC and the Trooper into next week and beyond, can we limit the new stuff to 1 item?

Believe me there is no shortage of guitar playing going on here. Quite the contrary. \m/ \m/ I'm playing multiple times every day. It hasnt been like this in years.

Also, the stuff I'm doing in the band, even though its 95% rhythm based, it all sounds better. Like you pointed out, comfortable. I am certainly more comfortable and happier playing. I feel that I am better each week than I was before. And while I'm still playing the same stuff with the band that I could play 3 months ago, I am playing it MUCH BETTER. And it was fine before. But now, its better. Its hard to say how, but it is.


Posted by: enforcer Feb 9 2009, 09:52 PM

Ok man, just make sure that you are working on your exercises too. Now that you have lots of songs and solos to play, I may give you a more exercise oriented program. Is that ok for you? But be awared, I cant guarantee that those exercises are fun to play biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Feb 9 2009, 09:55 PM

Yeah, thats all good bro.

The exercises I have been working on are the string skipping one and then once in a while the Strumming/Arpeggios and very rarely the finger independence once.


Posted by: enforcer Feb 9 2009, 09:57 PM

And about tantarella, bro I dont know why but the way you play that exercise made me feel like you a little hurried to speed up. It felt (I am talkin about the video) like you were barely keeping that speed there. That is why I asked you to do that way. Maybe you will have time to make a new video to make me consider this ok?

Good job with this new band bro! Hope you enjoy it! laugh.gif

Posted by: jer Feb 9 2009, 10:11 PM

I'm not in a hurry to speed it up, any more than I am any others anyway. Its a lot easier than the others and more within my grap at full speed so I guess I'm going for it quicker. Since its closer.

Does that make sense?

For my next video of that I'll do the 90bpm one, a full speed one, and one in the middle. (with the metronome)

Posted by: enforcer Feb 9 2009, 10:25 PM

perfect bro, I am awaiting it!

Posted by: jer Feb 10 2009, 11:07 PM

yeah....

today is going really poorly.

It happens from time to time. Nothing you can do about it. Don't let it get ya down and just return later and make up for it.


Tantarella is sloppy. I am having trouble with the fast part again. I played it great the first time thru but no camera. Then I couldn't do it again so that was just a fluke anyway.

AIC? This is really bad. At minus 20 I don't think I did a single one correctly.

The Trooper? I played it some, but I'm not finding the correct timing again for the 2 repeating licks. Its worse than last time. I didn't video it, I was getting too frustrated....

I'm going to try more later tonight if I can turn my mood around.




Posted by: jer Feb 11 2009, 01:04 AM

Just sat down and did some more.

I did find a way to feel where I am in the Trooper by listening to the real song. Its tough at half speed though... Hopefully it'll still help.

I tried Tarantella rock again.... I am getting VERY frustrated. I did it fine the first time though. Then its crap each other time.


Posted by: jer Feb 11 2009, 03:11 PM

FYI - I'm keeping my practice agenda updated more now too.

Feel free to check that out.

Posted by: enforcer Feb 11 2009, 03:40 PM

Ok buddy, sorry for not being around for a while, these are trying days for me, I have my grad exams for this semester, I am like having 11 exams for the week. Its like hell. And plus I nearly had to go to military service for 15 months, thanks god I could prevent it for now smile.gif

Now about your exercises, I need to know if did you ignore your practice routine for few days? It can be only a bad day for you when you took these videos but I must say that you are right about saying these are not your best playing. And strangely you played them extreeemely sloppy, and generally I love your enthousiasm for perfection, and really when watching to those, I wasnt sure if it was you who was playing on these. (Maybe some excessive gain on amp?)

I wait your next set of videos ASAP, to write my final comments on those because if you are developping a sloppy playing, we need to take extreme cautions to prevent this going further.

Keep playing man, believe me these are not only tunes or soloing parts, but are exercises to make you a better guitarist.


Cheers laugh.gif

Can

Posted by: jer Feb 11 2009, 04:22 PM

Hey Can,

No worries on you being busy. I understand totally and I have my work cut out for me so I can continue in your absense no problem.

My latest video was on the 10th. The next one back was on the 7th. So yeah, there were 2 days in here where 2 days where I didnt go far enough in anything to video it. I did practice on the 8th, but that was mostly band stuff to get ready to play with the new drummer. I did a lot of playing on the 9th at practice.

So yeah, I'd say I backed off a bit for 2 days. But not completely. Not like I was away from my guitar or anything. I think there is some burnout on the AIC solo. That -20 wall is pretty tall and I'm having trouble climbing it. The Trooper, Yeah, I am slowly moving forward but at half speed. I try not to think about it but how in the world will I ever play those parts 2x as fast? Both of those songs are bumming me out. I just need to power through it I know.

Tantarella is certainly in my ability to do. And when I pick up my guitar and hit play I do it just fine. The 1st time. Then I hit record and it goes right in the toilet.







I will be doing some more tonight.

It will be later on (9pm my time or so) We have an appointment to get our taxes done tonight.

Posted by: enforcer Feb 11 2009, 04:51 PM

Ok, when I wake up to go to school for my exam, I'll watch it biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Feb 11 2009, 04:53 PM

Sounds good.


Posted by: jer Feb 12 2009, 04:40 AM

Tantarella

Tonight, not too bad. I went thru it 2 times on 90 before hitting record. The full speed one is the first time I played it at that speed tonight. This brings up an interesting point. I have never felt that anytime my playing is in the gutter, that its due to needing to warm up more, or the fact that I just started playing. The last time I had my guitar in my hand it was all crap. I picked it up and did this song pretty well tonight. Right off the bat. Things are VERY inconsistant with me. They always have been. Its a mental thing I guess.

I'm not saying that warming up isn't needed. Its needed to help you not injure yourself. But it doesn't really prep me for my lesson stuff..... At least I don't feel it does.



The Trooper

Ehhhh, this one is frustrating me. I don't feel its getting better at all and I don't feel like it will because all I'm doing is mimicking the lead guitar. Trying to keep up with it. The drums and bass don't even need to be there to accomplish what I am accomplishing.



AIC

I messed up as much as I did right, maybe more. Wildly inconsistent. Back to -30 and -25. No end to this in sight.

PART 1



PART 2



I'm starting to wonder if I am practicing right. I'm hitting a wall of some sort. In any of this, except maybe Tantarella, I don't feel like I'm getting anywhere. I feel like it'll be like this for the next 2 weeks or more then maybe, or maybe not, will it get any better.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Feb 12 2009, 04:51 AM

just keep it up and youll get it... seems like there are always walls, you just gotta bust through them
concentrate on the parts that are giving you the most problems and work on those over and over til you get them
then the rest of it will seem easier....

Thats just what i do to get over the barriers that are always in my way..

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Posted by: enforcer Feb 12 2009, 06:52 AM

QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ Feb 12 2009, 05:51 AM) *
just keep it up and youll get it... seems like there are always walls, you just gotta bust through them
concentrate on the parts that are giving you the most problems and work on those over and over til you get them
then the rest of it will seem easier....

Thats just what i do to get over the barriers that are always in my way..

cool.gif


Just couldnt agree you more John.

Ok, I didnt sleep last night at all because of dang exams, and now I need to go to school for my exams, hopefully I will write comments about them this afternoon. I think.

Later man biggrin.gif

Posted by: jer Feb 12 2009, 01:24 PM

No worries Can, I know you'll get to it.

In the meantime it doesn't change what I need to be doing.

I have band practice tonight then I'll be home. Hopefully I'll still have enough energy to get a session in before bed.


Posted by: jer Feb 12 2009, 02:49 PM

I think my next plan of action is this.

Break down the AIC solo again. Work on it in individual chunks. One problem I'm having is after I mess up a part in the beginning I think about it as I go into the next section and mess that up too... Working on it in chunks will allow me to improve it 1 section at a time. There won't be enough to play to worry about whats coming next.

I may as well do this with the Trooper too. But here I need to figure out what to play to. Each time I think I have a reference point to follow it doesnt end up working. Is it just me or do big parts of that solo barely follow the backing? Its not a straightforward, anchored to the beat, line it seems... What are your thoughts here Can, I've mentioned this a few times and you haven't really commented. is it just me? How do you recommend playing to something like this? Like I said in my video, I just find myself locking into the lead line and copying it. Instead of playing in front of the rhythm. Perhaps I should remove the lead part from the backing and see what happens...

Posted by: jer Feb 13 2009, 01:13 AM

OK. I did a quick 30 min after work today since the wife and daughter aren't home yet.

Tantarella - not too bad. The fast part that usually messes me up was almost perfect every time I played it. Not perfect but a LOT better than 3 days ago.




The Trooper - explanation on the video


Posted by: enforcer Feb 13 2009, 01:42 AM

another sleepless night buddy, I am really sorry that I dont even have 10 mins to write comments sad.gif but hang in there buddy one last night and my torture is over...


Posted by: jer Feb 13 2009, 04:50 AM

no prob man. I just keep forging on!


Posted by: enforcer Feb 16 2009, 11:57 AM

Ok buddy, I know I am late for this but here is your comments:

Tantarella:
Good overall, but as you mentioned it, not perfect. You have a sloppy mutting start, there are lots of unwanted string noise. Is is a little excessive gain, or just not enough muting? I dont know biggrin.gif And for the first note of the melody when the drums kicks in, you cut it a little short and misplaced, it is the first note of a well know melody so it has to ring like hell! biggrin.gif And there is a problem with your trills. Yeah, trills are a very fast sequence of hammeron/pulloff however fast they could be, they need to be on a fraction of the tempo of the song. You play it like this: you play the previous part a la tempo, you get to the trill part, you play them out of sync, then you continue on tempo. Meditate on this you should laugh.gif

Trooper:
This is going just fine. Taking the lead guitar aout of the eq. is a good solution to your problem, and honestly I always wondered why you kept it there, (maybe as a guide for accurate bends) No matter, this is going better, you got a bend problem at 0:58 on your video, a little attention there, also you need to play the pentatonics descents and ascends a little more fluidly, I will help you about that as soon as possible dont worry. and you are good to go! biggrin.gif


Man I am really sorry for last week but it was hell, but I passed 11 out of 11 and my problems are over! biggrin.gif
Just a few days and we will start with other exercises, dont worry I am still by your side laugh.gif


Cheers smile.gif

Posted by: jer Feb 16 2009, 02:27 PM

Great news on the 11 out of 11 buddy!!!!! Nicely done!!!!

Thanks for the comments. I'll put them into place asap. Though I'm not sure I follow you on the one about the trills.

And yeah, that muting part is tough on that string for some reason.

Excessive gain? Is there such a thing? wink.gif I'll try a different setting next time I do Tantarella.


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