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Posted by: opeth.db Oct 21 2008, 01:29 PM

Know any bands that blantly ripped of an artist?

This one really bothers me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I

Posted by: Guitarman700 Oct 21 2008, 01:40 PM

Avenged Sevenfold Ripped of many REAL metal artists, including death , especially on thier new album, plagerism is about all kid rock has ever done , and Mallcore crap like BFMV and all that, they all sound alike. Your not a musician or an artist if all you do is commit plagerism.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Oct 21 2008, 01:52 PM

Weezer - Hash Pipe rips off Bryan Adams - Black Pearl
Marilyn Manson - Mobscene rips off Faith No More - Be Aggressive
Iron Maiden - Fear Of The Dark rips off Iron Maiden - No Prayer For The Dying
ACDC - Every Song rips off ACDC - Every Song
Trivium - Every Song rips off Thrash Metal - Every Song
Send More Paramedics - Zombie Whatever it is rips off Death - Zombie Ritual

Posted by: opeth.db Oct 21 2008, 02:05 PM

I forgot about that one.

SAme with a lot of Zepplin. Yes I said Led Zepplin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjPAEPFaxoM

Posted by: jer Oct 21 2008, 02:06 PM

Who did Bullet For My Valentine rip off?

What the hell does that mean?

Did Exodus, Heathen, Testament, & Overkill rip off every thrash metal band too?



Isnt there a BIG difference between stealing another artists material and not being unique enough to stand out from the rest of th ebands in your genre?

Posted by: Guitarman700 Oct 21 2008, 02:08 PM

That's hilarious!

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Oct 21 2008, 02:11 PM

Trivium just use riffs from Testament, Metallica and Iron Maiden in everything. The 4 bands you mentioned are fairly original and all sound different. They evolved the sound. Trivium aren't evolving anything. They are useless.


There are other ones lol. I just can't remember them. It's the same bloody riff

Posted by: Fsgdjv Oct 21 2008, 02:11 PM

I don't mind rip of's as long as it's done well.

For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjtZW_FCSTo - Opeth - Benighted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wesgWiJSAG8 - Camel - Never Let Go

I don't mind these things, it's often accidents, and otherwise I just see it as little things that are tributes, it's still not easy to make everything fit together if you would steal 100% of all your music, so no, it doesn't really bother me.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Oct 21 2008, 02:16 PM

Yeah that is the case sometimes. Like Pearl Jam - Yellow Ledbetter and Jimi Hendrix - Little Wing but a lot of the time they do a medley of the two and it is clearly a tribute to Hendrix.

Posted by: jer Oct 21 2008, 02:41 PM

I dont find Trivium to be a rip off. They arent my favorite band by any stretch but I do ind them a bit refreshing.

They have the intensity in the music that some of the classic thrash bands had WHILE adding something different vocally.

And on top of that they dont follow the traditional song structures that so many of the classic bands did.

To me thats a new take on things. They didnt re-invent the wheel or anything but I dont think they sound like Iron Maiden, or Testament, or Overkill, or........

Posted by: opeth.db Oct 21 2008, 03:42 PM

This thread was not about what band is better or what not. It's sole purpose was to find songs with the exact same melodies and chord progression in other songs that are ripped off and not saying "well everything sounds like everything." Blah blah blah...


Not to be rude but can we remain on topic please. Music is entirely subjective to the listener.

Posted by: jer Oct 21 2008, 03:47 PM

Right.

It was said that band A ripped off an entire genre. I disputed that. I have no intention of going off topic with it.

There is a Firehouse song, I cant remember the title, but its on the 2nd album.... That the second half of the guitar solo is a direct replica of the ending to the guitar solo in Ozzy's "No More Tears".

I dont know which came out first.

Posted by: Jarl Emil Oct 21 2008, 03:49 PM

Well as a matter of fact sometimes they do not intend to rip off artists, Its the same way about band names my cousin Robin who plays in the Norwegian black metal band Creep Colony they didnt know that there was a band from Canada who played death metal with th same name, but i must agree Coldplay did crap on their own legs sort of speak when they copied satriani. Though in general i like Coldplay and have nothing against them

Posted by: Matt23 Oct 21 2008, 04:00 PM

These days unless there very progressive its hard for metal bands to something very original because theres so much metal around, one song is going to sound like another.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Oct 21 2008, 04:02 PM

The biggest rip off I know is Metallica - Sanitarium ripping off Bleak House - Rainbow Warriors. Also Seek and Destroy is ripping off Saxon - Princess Of The Night.

Posted by: Smikey2006 Oct 21 2008, 04:12 PM

WOW! i never noticed this.. i always thought benighted was too original to be a copy of anything ! lol

my favorite rip offer is avril lavigne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZxrMb4Cilw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0d2z-dWZmE&feature=related (warning bad language alert)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3ZhtvtK5xE&feature=related



i more link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAbqMfPjQ4Y&feature=related

Posted by: Fsgdjv Oct 21 2008, 04:13 PM

http://www.esnips.com/doc/408627d7-edd9-4837-8fa0-1327942ddec1/Abbeth

That one's a classic rip off aswell. Mikael Åkerfeldt is a master when it comes to ripping of songs.

Posted by: ChrisVdS Oct 21 2008, 04:23 PM

I don't really like Avenged Sevenfold as far as i know they only have one good song they "really" made themselves I wont see you tonight i think it was made because of a bandmember wanted to commit suicide and another was just in time to stop the suicidal one. Anyways i saw them at grasspop this year it was not good even Lauren Harris was better...

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Oct 21 2008, 04:25 PM

At least she is nice on the eyes Avenged Sevenfold are bad on the eyes and ears.

Posted by: Smikey2006 Oct 21 2008, 04:27 PM

its not really that close.. i guess i could see it.. but its not close enough to be a blatant rip off

Posted by: Jarl Emil Oct 21 2008, 04:55 PM

When Iron Maiden played in Oslo Avenged Sevenfold warmed up, im not a big fan of those shrieking vocals but i must admit i was blown away abit! Lauren Harris played to, well lets just say she aint my cup of tea! But nothing beats maiden they are the best, the concrete where i was standing actually vibrated!

Posted by: bsamn Oct 21 2008, 05:09 PM

Ok i got one..

Overkill's song Elimination sounds very much like Master of puppets.

Posted by: opeth.db Oct 21 2008, 05:19 PM

I think the point I was tyring to make is that are these artists aware they are ripping them off?

Is it by accident? I just wanted to get peoples thoughts on these.

Posted by: bsamn Oct 21 2008, 05:30 PM

Very good point actually.

IMO i think most of em dont actually copy, if ur gonna play a particular style no matter what you do there are going to similarities. Listen Practice What you Preach (the album and not just the song) you will often find similar riffs hear and there. Its just the Fans or the really Die-hard ones that will argue till the end that no they are different. Another one (i hope most of you will agree here) is Yngwie, who is actually my all time fave guitarist. I mean if youve heard one song you've heard em all . But i guess that the shred curse.

On another note, for eg. listen to Iron Maiden's Ghost of the Navigator (on the brave new world cd) and Ozzy's I dont know. The intro riff is terribly similar. This initially a couple of years back really put me off of Iron Maiden, but then i asked myself the same question opeth.db has put (on purpose or accident) and started looking this situation differently, and im more in love with Iron Maiden not then ever

Posted by: jer Oct 21 2008, 05:47 PM

Well we all know there are only so many notes/chords/proggressions that you can play. Especially when you start narrowing down the genres.

We've all come up with a riff that we were proud of only to find that our mind subconciously served us up something that we've already heard.

So what do you do? You didnt mean to copy anyone. You thought of it too. Cant two people have the same idea?

The songs that come from those ideas are two people's take on a similar starting point or melody.

Do we hate remade movies? Are people boycotting remade classic horror films like Amityville and the Omen. They are blatant rip offs right?

NO.

Just re-envisioned versions of an already established idea.

Another thing is that bands are trying to sell their music.

And lots of listeners have narrower tastes. This could be limiting to an artist.

Who has sold more albums? AC/DC or Primus?

If you venture real far from what the herd wants to hear your # of customers drops dramatically.

Posted by: audiopaal Oct 21 2008, 06:39 PM

Hahaha, that's gold


Oh, and Coldplay with Satriani on sologuitar was awesome

Posted by: RIP Dime Oct 21 2008, 07:06 PM

Yeah, I hate remade movies. I understand that bands will play music familiar to the common listener so that thier album sales go up, but personally, originality is a huge factor in the bands I like. Bands don't have to be avant garde or anything for me to like them, but when I listen to a band and I have that feeling that I've heard this before, my interest shuts off, like in the case of Death Magnetic, Trivium's The Crusade, or bands like Unearth. I personally think if you're not going to at least try to be original, you're just littering my eardrums with useless music, like the many Nickelback copies out there.

Posted by: jer Oct 21 2008, 07:21 PM

No shortage of them.

Or Killswitch Engage copies.

Like Unearth.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Oct 21 2008, 07:24 PM

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Nickelback have made a career out of copying Pearl Jam and other grunge bands.

Posted by: jer Oct 21 2008, 07:55 PM

Huh?

Nickelback sounds nothing like Pearl Jam.

And no, I dont care for Nickelback. To tell you the truth I dont care for Pearl Jam that much either. Though "Ten" was a good album.

Posted by: MickeM Oct 21 2008, 11:22 PM

Record companies have a whole department that checks for rip offs, blame them if it slips through

And for the record (no pun intended) the songs may not always be written by the artist him or herself. Like Avil or Madonna and numerous metalbands get their songs from song writers. And songs that have been rejected are sent back to the song writer for future use (song writer owns the music) but still a group of people have listened to that song before rejecting it. If it sticks in their head after a while they may come up with their "own" composition very much inspired by the original and similar to the original and after release one will be stamped as a rip off of the other.

I'm not the least surprised this happens all the time.

As in a few other examples I wouldn't call, like with Led Zeppelin, it a rip off if it's a "cover". Or was I missing some point?

Posted by: VinceG Oct 21 2008, 11:57 PM

This one is the clash of Death Metl vs. Nu Metal

http://riffripoffs8.ytmnd.com/