Improving Tone, Drop C, cosmins metal metrics, and recording |
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Improving Tone, Drop C, cosmins metal metrics, and recording |
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Apr 22 2014, 12:21 AM |
im wondering some things, ive been playing alot in drop c, and every time i practice i usually record myself a couple times at the end of my sessions to compare improvement and tones. since ive been playing in drop c ive been changing settings to try to get a better sound.. Since ive been playing in drop c, practicing several different tunes i feel my sound is kind of muddy. i play through a backstar ht-20 and a mesa boogie mini rec, using emg active pickups and 11-52 strings.
no matter what amp im using i just cant seem to get a sound im happy with, this is a recording of cosmins Metal Metrics 1 slowed down to 100bpm, with no back track so maybe you can listen and give suggestions. also i uploaded pic of my blackstar settings wich is the amp i use to rec. i use the emulated output right into my audio interface and the cab i silenced with all sound coming out of my monitors while i record. to me it just doesnt sound right. i know the lesson needs alot of work but the muddy sound bothers me. https://soundcloud.com/rockmusic-915/metalmetrics
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Apr 22 2014, 03:23 PM |
Comparing your sound with Cosmin's I note that the main difference is your tone needs more treble (around 3000 HZ or 5000 HZ). The difference in sound can also be achieved moving the mic, are you using a mic to record your guitar?
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Apr 22 2014, 11:11 PM |
ISF Knob - is kinda like the shape knob on an Orange Amp. So that can blend it weird and spike certain tones for the EQ.
Strings/Pickups - Doubt this is the issue, EMGs are typically good for low tunings, I've never had a problem and I play in C-Standard IR Cabs, now this may be something to look into as it does change the whole game. You can find all sorts of cabs with tons of different speakers so you can get different tones, you can also mix and match them as you would a cabinet. This is what I use to use when I tried VSTs on the PC. Which unfortunately Presonus doesn't like to give a direct guitar line in to record. So it sounded really bad in the end as I would spike the meter very easily. http://lepouplugins.blogspot.com/2009/07/lecab-v10.html -------------------- Guitars:
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Apr 24 2014, 07:53 AM |
Good spot by Darius - if you record with the amp, let it be the amp only But let's see the differences dictated by the setting suggestions Darius mentioned
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May 13 2014, 01:52 AM |
so here are the 3 takes ISF at 0 then noon then max. all eq on amp at noon, volume at 11, gain at 3 o'clock https://soundcloud.com/rockmusic-915/blackstar-isf-setting
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May 13 2014, 08:11 AM |
Judging by the pure sound - I would say that the first one is the best - the more ISF you dial in, the darker the tone. I think it actually lacks brightness somehow..
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May 15 2014, 08:51 PM |
Your eq curve shows that you are trying to putt treble back in after recording. Usually, you'd be cutting a bit in that range with your amp set for a metal tone. Are you using an overdrive before your amp? If not, grab an overdrive, even a cheap 35 dollar joyo will do the trick. It will focus the tone more toward the upper range and you can use the tone knob on it before the signal gets to the amp. Also, as you are getting ready to record, go over to the amp with your headphones and PUT YOUR AMP IN STANDBY so you are not fooled by the sound coming out of the cab. Then you can tweak your eq so that it sounds better in your headphones.
Also, this assumes you are NOT using EAR BUDS when tracking and mixing. If you are using crap headphones or monitors/speakers, then you won't really know what you've recorded and you can't mix properly What are you using for headphones? so here are the 3 takes ISF at 0 then noon then max. all eq on amp at noon, volume at 11, gain at 3 o'clock https://soundcloud.com/rockmusic-915/blackstar-isf-setting
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May 15 2014, 09:26 PM |
Hey mate - I agree with Gabriel I am using a totally different beast here - an AMT SS20, boosted with a Suhr Shiba Drive. But high frequencies are missing so, I would try to get more of those and see what happens next. I will not discuss on the lesson at this point - unless you want me to, of course Cosmin, in your lesson here: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Tesseract-Style/ Tuning: Drop A - A E A D F# B Seems like the enxtended scale length of the Baritone Guitar is what would retain the organic sound. Thoughts on this? Tone settings: - Riff: AMT SS20 Lead Channel, having the Bass at 12 O'clock, the Mids at 10 and the Highs at 3 O'clock, while the gain is somewhere around 11 O'clock. - Clean: AMT SS20 Clean Channel, having the Bass at 11 O'clock, the Mids at 9 and the Highs at 12 O'clock, while the gain is somewhere around 2 O'clock. Effects: - DAW added reverb/delay over the Part 4 and 5 sections (Variverb pluggin) - Suhr Shiba Drive for boosting the tone in all the riff sections Thanks, Chris -------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
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May 16 2014, 07:55 AM |
Hey mate - when you say 'retain' you mean that the guitar is actually responsible for the natural sound of low frequencies, am I correct?
Cosmin, in your lesson here: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Tesseract-Style/ Tuning: Drop A - A E A D F# B Seems like the enxtended scale length of the Baritone Guitar is what would retain the organic sound. Thoughts on this? Tone settings: - Riff: AMT SS20 Lead Channel, having the Bass at 12 O'clock, the Mids at 10 and the Highs at 3 O'clock, while the gain is somewhere around 11 O'clock. - Clean: AMT SS20 Clean Channel, having the Bass at 11 O'clock, the Mids at 9 and the Highs at 12 O'clock, while the gain is somewhere around 2 O'clock. Effects: - DAW added reverb/delay over the Part 4 and 5 sections (Variverb pluggin) - Suhr Shiba Drive for boosting the tone in all the riff sections Thanks, Chris |
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May 17 2014, 12:25 AM |
Hey mate - when you say 'retain' you mean that the guitar is actually responsible for the natural sound of low frequencies, am I correct? Well, I'm asking if you think that is the case. From what I've read, the extended scale length allows you to retain much of the string tension while playing lower - it's that tension that gives the organic feel to the note you're playing, or at least I would suspect. I mean if you drop - A a standard guitar, the strings will wobble -------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
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