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verciazghra
post Jun 10 2019, 03:51 PM
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Hi! I'm working on a song now that sounds like this:
https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/guitars-test/s-bvf7s

I'm not happy with the lead guitar sound. I want it to sound like this :


Discussion and help is greatly appreciated. Also the rhythm guitars... should I try to make them fatter or will that happen by itself when I add a bass?

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post Jun 11 2019, 03:10 AM
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That's some great advice folks! It's actually starting to shape up, I went for a single amp for that guitar instead of two, that seems to have done a lot for the tone. Did a bit of more eq'ing nothing fancy. It can still use a lot of work but I think I'll get there... https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/test-4/s-T1UMf

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post Jun 11 2019, 03:35 AM
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Using two amps is tricky. Almost all of my tones in sims use one patch. The only time I use two paths are in patches where I"m using one path for octave or some other effect. I have found that two amp paths can cause a LOT of signal cancellation which can make the sound smaller instead of bigger.

Also, I can't hear your track you shared on soundcloud? Says it's not there? Mayeset to private?
One last thing, when I was using BIAS, I found it better to pre drive the signal that post drive it. E.G. Putting more boost, eq before the amp stage and using
less gain on the amp to increase articulation and overall BIGness.
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That's some great advice folks! It's actually starting to shape up, I went for a single amp for that guitar instead of two, that seems to have done a lot for the tone. Did a bit of more eq'ing nothing fancy. It can still use a lot of work but I think I'll get there... https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/test-4
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post Jun 11 2019, 04:05 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 11 2019, 02:35 AM) *
Using two amps is tricky. Almost all of my tones in sims use one patch. The only time I use two paths are in patches where I"m using one path for octave or some other effect. I have found that two amp paths can cause a LOT of signal cancellation which can make the sound smaller instead of bigger.

Also, I can't hear your track you shared on soundcloud? Says it's not there? Mayeset to private?
One last thing, when I was using BIAS, I found it better to pre drive the signal that post drive it. E.G. Putting more boost, eq before the amp stage and using
less gain on the amp to increase articulation and overall BIGness.

Oh I was using the wrong link... here it is https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/test-4/s-T1UMf


Yeah I find that to be the case a lot of the time too. Cancellation with two amps I mean. I'm also going to add a harmony very panned with a similar tone so I need the space to be pretty clean.


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post Jun 12 2019, 07:47 AM
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QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 11 2019, 05:05 AM) *
Oh I was using the wrong link... here it is https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/test-4/s-T1UMf


Yeah I find that to be the case a lot of the time too. Cancellation with two amps I mean. I'm also going to add a harmony very panned with a similar tone so I need the space to be pretty clean.


Amazing music as always, vercia - you rock!!

I am listening to this latest sample and comparing with your reference youtube video.

I think you have cut away low end on the wrong place. The reference track lacks most of the boomy bottom end but then has very defined low midrange. Then it also has shimmer on top (try a treble booster / "presence") and quite some treble as well. Your tone sounds a bit scooped which might make playing feel easier but does not work well in the mix.

The trickiest part is usually to find a good marshall type hi-gain amp to start with and then apply a tube screamer to tighten the right bart of low spectrum.

My Yngwie tone video which Mertay referenced does this indeed:



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- verciazghra   Need A Chunkier Tone :(   Jun 10 2019, 03:51 PM
- - Mertay   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 10 2019, 02:51 P...   Jun 10 2019, 05:57 PM
|- - verciazghra   QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 10 2019, 04:57 PM) Kr...   Jun 10 2019, 09:34 PM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 10 2019, 08:34 P...   Jun 10 2019, 09:56 PM
|- - verciazghra   Ah sorry I thought that's what you meant. I u...   Jun 10 2019, 10:22 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   Works for me There are wads of folks that use tha...   Jun 11 2019, 02:47 AM
|- - jstcrsn   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 10 2019, 10:22 P...   Jun 11 2019, 02:57 AM
||- - Todd Simpson   if you do use a panned dual path, it can help to u...   Jun 12 2019, 06:32 AM
|- - jstcrsn   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 11 2019, 03:10 A...   Jun 11 2019, 10:22 PM
- - verciazghra   QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 12 2019, 05:32 ...   Jun 13 2019, 01:40 AM
|- - jstcrsn   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 13 2019, 01:40 A...   Jun 13 2019, 01:51 AM
||- - verciazghra   QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jun 13 2019, 12:51 AM) Y...   Jun 13 2019, 01:58 AM
||- - jstcrsn   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 13 2019, 01:58 A...   Jun 13 2019, 02:33 AM
||- - verciazghra   Hm okay finally understood what you meant..... My ...   Jun 13 2019, 03:02 AM
||- - jstcrsn   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 13 2019, 03:02 A...   Jun 13 2019, 03:22 AM
|- - Kristofer Dahl   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 13 2019, 02:40 A...   Jun 14 2019, 09:55 AM
- - verciazghra   Added a tiny harmony and have no trouble phase tro...   Jun 13 2019, 03:57 AM
|- - jstcrsn   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 13 2019, 03:57 A...   Jun 13 2019, 03:54 PM
|- - verciazghra   QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jun 13 2019, 02:54 PM) s...   Jun 13 2019, 04:44 PM
|- - jstcrsn   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 13 2019, 04:44 P...   Jun 14 2019, 12:52 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   Bingo! Great advice on this one. Being able to...   Jun 14 2019, 02:30 AM
|- - verciazghra   QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jun 13 2019, 11:52 PM) p...   Jun 14 2019, 04:49 AM
- - verciazghra   The final result https://soundcloud.com/user-149...   Jun 14 2019, 11:04 PM
|- - jstcrsn   QUOTE (verciazghra @ Jun 14 2019, 11:04 P...   Jun 15 2019, 01:03 AM
||- - verciazghra   QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jun 15 2019, 12:03 AM) b...   Jun 15 2019, 03:25 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   It's perfect IMHO. The guitar tone works great...   Jun 15 2019, 05:07 AM
- - klasaine   Great work all around. Tone, playing, composition....   Jun 15 2019, 06:45 AM
- - verciazghra   Thanks Todd! So happy to hear that This was j...   Jun 16 2019, 01:03 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   Thanks for the tip!! yeah!! WOW I ...   Jun 16 2019, 05:07 AM
- - Kristofer Dahl   Love it!! The guitar tone is great as well...   Jun 17 2019, 08:19 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   That's high praise IMHO. Maximum Security is o...   Jun 18 2019, 03:17 AM
- - verciazghra   Wow that's a cool piece! Where's the f...   Jun 18 2019, 04:12 AM


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