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Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 1 2009, 05:46 AM

Hey monte,

Im happy to be apart of your group...

Outlaw2112 - my name is John, im 40 years old

I live in northern virginia about 10 minutes from Washington DC.. I have a 7 year old son who I have every other weekend so when i have him i dont get to play much..

I started playing when i was 15 and played on and off til i was about 24 then i quit til i was 39... I found GMC and have been playing as much as possible every night... I have very limited theory knowledge, basically i know a few scales and thats all the theory i know.. I feel most comfortable with the dorian and pentatonic blues scale...


1-What is your level of theory knowledge? very minimal


Do you know your diatonic and pentatonic boxes? some of them... I know the dorian and pentatonic blues well, seems like my fingers will go to these without me thinking

Do you know your triads? I dont even know what a triad is

2-Do you know how to count rhythms along with a metronome? mostly, i have problems with 3 notes per beat

Do you practice with a metronome? No, i have one but i rarely use it... I use guitarpro for most of my actual practicing

3-If you could play any lesson on GMC what would it be? probably pavels speed picking lesson at the same speed as he does it

4-Give me a brief introduction about yourself and what you are hoping to get out of this MTP program. I hoping to finally learn some theory and learn as much as i can.. Im very dedicated, i just need some guidance

thanks for having me in your group

John

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 05:52 AM

Welcome aboard John!! Good to have another 80's dude. \m/\m/

We are gonna fix that!!



....and that...You are gonna learn to LOVE the KAZ-BOX!!!



I'll work as hard or as little as you want me to my man...totally up to you

Welcome aboard and LET'S ROCK!! \m/\m/

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 1 2009, 05:55 AM

cool.... do you want me to post a video of my playing something? Im trying to figure out this webcam thing now

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 06:05 AM

Yeah post a vid of your playing if you would. Whatever you want to post would be fine but I would prefer to see your take on Muris's Neoclassical Extreme, maybe even with a little "boost"!!

Looks like you found the main thread OK. Go ahead and catch up and then let me know what you would like to start working on individually....Tapping, legato, picking, sweeping.......We'll start wherever you want. Just make sure you keep up with the group assignments if you would. I want everybody on the same page as far as theory.


Go ahead and get some extra batteries for you KAZ-BOX as well!!

Welcome aboard dude!!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 1 2009, 06:15 AM

ok... ill post something tomorrow if i can figure this thing out.

Looks like im gonna have to renew my subscription now... and get a new guitarpro program...

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 1 2009, 07:00 AM

Im glad to be on your mtp team... Ill do everything i can to not let you down.. Although ill tell you this theory thing gives me alot of trouble... Its been soo long since ive tried to learn anything that it seems hard to grasp this stuff...

Posted by: Marek Rojewski Mar 1 2009, 09:51 AM

Welcome in our group Outlaw2112, great to have another metalhead in it We will rock one day!

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 11:57 AM

Don't worry about the theory stuff John. I'll MAKE you understand it...just ask Jer!!

So John, as far as your individual assignments I need to know what you want to work on first so you are gonna have to give me some feedback. If you are wanting to improve your lead playing, maybe we could start there and work on your technique while at the same time working on your timing.

I could give you some excercises to work on say your AP, tapping, legato etc,. and at the same time you could work on your KAZ-BOX skills so you don't have problems with playing the different note groupings, like triplets and 16ths etc.. in time with the KAZ-BOX.

BTW, if you don't know what the KAZ-BOX is I suggest you read Jer and Kaznie's threads. That will bring you up to speed on this.

Working on your technique and timing skills with the KAZ-BOX is great fun....just ask Opeth.db!!

Let me know what kind of stuff you want to start working on and we'll go from there.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 1 2009, 03:01 PM

Welcome John.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 1 2009, 05:09 PM

I could use some help with my sweeps and pulloffs... my hammerons, picking and tapping are fine at the moment.

what would you like me to make a video of?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 05:14 PM

Could you post a video of you doing some lead doing as many different techniques as possible. Maybe a GMC lesson you are working on.

Did you download the tab with the Diatonic and pentatonic scales as well as the triads?

If we are gonna work on your pull off and sweeps we are gonna kill two birds with one stone and learn some scales and triads at the same time.

What problems specifically are you having with your pull-offs and sweeps? Definitely would like a video of you doing some sweeps and pull-offs so I can see what is going on.

Are you on skype? If so add me my callsign is "montestevens".

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 1 2009, 05:21 PM

just added you on skype

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 06:02 PM

Good talking to you John. Here is what you need to do. You already know your diatonic box shapes. If you don't know your pentatonic box shapes you need to learn those from the tab in the main thread. Need to learn your triads as well. With the diatonic box shapes the scale I am using is A Ionian/Major, B Dorian for you way of thinking. I want you to play through those shapes, you should already know them, and associate the shapes you already know as the Dorian scale with the names I have given each of the boxes. This is should be easy for you. I want you to know the names so that when I refer to the Ionian or Lydian box shape you know what I am talking about. Your fingers know the shapes, now your brain needs to learn the names. Get to work dude!!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 1 2009, 07:01 PM

im starting asap... just had an emergency, my son left his nintendo ds in my car and was begging me to bring it to him.. I set aside the whole day to practice and catch up on your lessons, ill get to them when i return in a few hours..

It was nice chatting with you, and i added you on facebook, but i never really go on there my girlfriend set it up for me...

also got your triads and pentatonic shapes gp file loaded... the scale shapes are no problem, might take me a day or so with the triads to get them sounding smooth

thanks monte

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 07:19 PM

Awesome John!! Just make sure you associate the shapes you already know in the Dorian scale with the names I have given them in GP file. Will make it much easier to communicate.

Posted by: jer Mar 1 2009, 09:19 PM

Hey Outlaw!!!!!

Nice to see you here man.

Yeah, funny how this group is turning out.

We'll show these whippersnappers a thing or two!!!!!

FYI - I'm metaljer on skype if you want to add me too. I see a future of us all helping each other out.

Except Dan... (opeth.db) he's beyond help.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 1 2009, 09:51 PM

thanks for the welcome everyone... and jer ill add you to my skype now

I just got back from the nintendo ds dropoff... my 7 year made it sound like it was an emergency because he needs it to walk his dogs in some game he has for it.. lol

Im gonna try to get this webcam thing figured out now... seems like i move in slow motion when recording something

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 1 2009, 10:28 PM

So true. Im beauled on skype if you want no help.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 1 2009, 10:30 PM

cool i added you

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 1 2009, 11:04 PM

this webcam is taking my whole day... I cant get this thing to sound good... I can use my pod as a mic but there is a noise in the background... anyone have any tips?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 11:09 PM

Just do the best you can. It doesn't have to be awesome, just good enough to get an idea of you level!!


Check out this thread:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=25229&pid=347187&st=0&#entry347187

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 1 2009, 11:41 PM

heres a recording of me playing some rhythm and some legato also some sweeps..

I cant get that noise out of the background and its driving me crazy...

Also i kept looking at the screen and messed up a few times but here it is...

just watching it makes me mad at the sound, if anyone has any idea on how to fix this please help me
I found that it sounded better when played through my pod on the mic options but the background noise is still there

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 2 2009, 12:06 AM

John,
Could you post a clip of you just playing a straight dorian scale ascending and descending using just hammer's and pulls? You said you need help with pull-off's and I wanna see what is going on with your technique. Thanks dude.


Here are the first two lessons we are gonna work on. Don't get freaked out because they are a 9 on the difficulty level. We are gonna dissect them and turn most of the lessons into excercises, which when you master them will be a cool solo!! This is a long term goal to get your technique where you want it so don't stress out that you aren't gonna be able to play these lessons tomorrow. LONG TERM GOALS that we work on consistently every day!!

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/sweep-etude/

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/phrygian-soloing-advanced/

Check them out and download the tabs.

I can already see what you are doing wrong on your sweeps. We'll get to that. I want to see a video of you running the Dorian scale in hammer's and pulls first.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 2 2009, 12:53 AM

Hi John,
So it's time to get your sweeps in order. We are gonna do this by studying Muris's awesom sweep etude. I am working on this one myself....LONG TERM GOALS!!!

So here is your first assignment. I want you to download the attatched GP file. It contains 4 arpeggio shapes. They are triads which are 3 note chords. You are studying them in your other tab I gave you with the Diatonic and Pentatonic boxes.


Anyways, there are 4 arpeggio shapes, 2 major and 2 minor. Your job is to transpose the Major shapes to where both of these shapes are G major instead of one being A major and one being D major.

Then transpose the Minor shapes to where both of them are B minor. One is B minor already....lucky you. , but the F#min shape needs to be transposed to B minor as well.


I want you to do this same thing with the triads I gave you in the other tab as well. Make the A major shapes I gave you G major and the C# minor shapes I gave you B minor. When you get that done post back here and I'll go over how I want you to proceed.

You will find that I am not going to give you anything to do just to do, I want you to understand what you are doing so you can apply it to your playing. I am not interested in you becoming a parrot, I want you to be a guitarist!!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 2 2009, 01:34 AM

Sounds good... ill do my best, just might take me some time

any ideas on how to make the audio better?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 2 2009, 01:50 AM

No, but I bet if you ask in the general forum you will get tons of suggestions.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 2 2009, 02:18 AM

yeah i just posted something... Im feeling that im way behind in the theory stuff...

Ill post a video of my hammerons and pulloffs soon, i just want to clear this audio matter up...

It killed me posting that other youtube clip, it just sounded terrible

ok im going to write a schedule for this...

5 minute warmup
20 minutes - phrygian soloing
20 minutes - sweep etitude
20 minute - arpeggio gp lesson
20 minute - diatonic and pentatonic gp lesson

and what should i do for the kazbox? just use the one in gp ?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 2 2009, 02:33 AM

Do you have a metronome or a drum machine? I suppose you could use the one in GP, I've never tried this. I have a drum machine on my processor.

That routine is a good start but we are gonna tweak it a little. I'll go over it when you get your triads transposed.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 2 2009, 02:35 AM

I have a metronome but i usually use the one on guitarpro cause its easier to follow the lessons on there...

but whatever you think is best ill do it

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 2 2009, 03:37 AM

Hi John,
Good talking on skype. Your assignment for the week in addition to transposing the triads is to learn those first few bars of the Phrygian lesson. I want you to learn the note groupings, five, six etc., I just want you counting in your head this week. No Kaz-Box for this week. So learn the run's up to the sweep arpeggio. You are actually already learning the arpeggio by learning the ones I already assigned you. For now though just the picking runs up to the arpeggio counting the correct groupings in your head!! Let me know if you have any questions!!

Posted by: jer Mar 2 2009, 01:17 PM

did you remove your video John?

I'll see if I can help with the noise problem.

Do you have Sony Vegas Pro?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 2 2009, 04:46 PM

Yeah i took it off.. the sound was bugging me... I think im going to use audacity and record my audio while im using the webcam to do the video.. Then ill just line up the two

Posted by: jer Mar 2 2009, 05:08 PM

thats what I'd recommend, splitting and lining them up.

Best of luck man!!!

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 2 2009, 06:10 PM

Hi John,
A couple questions. How much time do you realistically have to put towards practicing? I want to come up with a routine for you to maximize your practice time. You seem to be a guy who really likes to Jam. That is great, so I am gonna set some time in your routine for you to do that. The rest of the time though I want you to really try and focus on the task at hand. We are basically gonna focus on one particular thing for like 5-7 min and then move on to the next thing. How many things depends on how much time you have so when you can let me know this I will get to work on this.


Next question. I want to get an idea of how your mind works when approaching soloing. Let's say that you were going to solo over this progression in the key of C# min:

C#min-B-A-B

Tell me how you would approach it. Thanks John.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 2 2009, 08:19 PM

John,
Make sure you check out the General discussion thread now. We are talking about pentatonics. fire away with any questions.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 2 2009, 08:22 PM

Lets set practice time to 90 minutes and the rest will be learning a new song or jamming to old ones... I usually start playing around 8 or 9 at night and will play til 11pm or 12pm sometimes longer if i know i dont have to get up too early..

If i was going to make a solo over that in the key of C#minor i would goto that site with the scales and look up the C#minor scale and sit there and just stare at the scale and improvise over the track while i look at the scale.. I record my improvised take, and do this about 3 times with different takes.. Then i will go back and listen to the takes and use what i like out of them.. After that i go back to the scale and build licks out of the whole thing, I dont look at the scale like its boxes, but look at the whole thing and come up with some licks and record myself playing with the backing track... then ill piece stuff that i think sounds good together and play it as a whole solo and record that...

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 2 2009, 09:07 PM

Is this song mostly triads?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 2 2009, 10:11 PM

Totally!! He is using some power chords and stuff as well but I can see the triad shapes he is using too. You can do some cool riffing when you combine triads with the Diatonic and pentatonic boxes.

So do you actually know the box shapes John? From talking to you last night it seemed like you did. If you do then you are making way more work for yourself than you need to.

The scale that you know as "A Dorian" is also the Same as G major and E minor. Same exact notes same exact shapes. ALL major and minor scales use these box shapes, they are just in different positions on the neck depending on the key you are in. Learn them from my tab, you will recognize them once you go through them, just in a different position on the neck. Go ahead and follow along with the group assignments as far as the diatonic scale, pentatonic scale and triads.

You are responsible for the Ionian, Dorian and Phrygian BOX SHAPES this week. Learn them and associate the shape you already know with the name of the box. Then when you have to solo over G minor you just find the boxes in that key. Will make your life alot easier.

I am gonna come up with a routine for you. I'll make it about 60-90 minutes long that I want you to try and go through every time you practice. Do it first and then you can jam afterwards. I think you are easily distracted, so focus on the task at hand first and then you can noodle afterwards....and you'll have alot more tools to noodle with. I'll get you your routine in the next few days.

I want you to start looking at Muris's Phrygian serial. All three levels, check them out and download the tab and start going over it. Thanks and I'll get back to you.

Posted by: jer Mar 2 2009, 10:26 PM

Hey Outlaw!

Do you want to go over this stuff here in this thread? Via email? Elsewhere? Not at all?

What would work for you?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 3 2009, 12:55 AM

Sure Jeremy,

It would be cool to go over this stuff together.. I just got back home, we got about 12 inches of snow last night so i had the day off from work... Just finished watching the mummy part 3

about to pick up my guitar now

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 3 2009, 01:38 AM

Youre right i do get easily distracted, its much easier for me to learn a song with alot of triads in it then to
just go over the triads by themselves... But im dedicated to learning this stuff and ill do what it takes to
get this stuff in my thick skull... Ill follow any routine you give me

I know stuff like this, but i dont know all the talk for it... i know these scales and can run them without any problems
just when you are talking all that theory talk i get lost

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 3 2009, 03:33 AM

Ive actually been working on this song alot today... it has alot of nice techniques to get down in
it... from some nice sweeps, trills, pulloffs and speed picking...
I dont have it all down to the speed he plays it but ive been messing with it

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 3 2009, 03:55 AM

Hi John,
First off, can you tell me if I was skipping and cutting out last night on skype. I have had problem talking to Opeth.db in the past and I was curious if I had the same problems with you?

Here is what I am gonna plan for you for you individual assignments.

5 MIN:
-SLOW tempo warm up with pull-offs using the diatonic boxes. Pick one or two a night and concentrat on associating the name and the shape. I want you working in 8th note triplets (3 notes per beat) at no faster than 80 bpm.
I want you to concentrate on pre-fretting the notes when changing strings like we talked about on skype. Speed is not the key here, CLEAN AND ACCURATE IS THE NAME OF THE GAME. NO FASTER THAN 80 bpm or else I get the milkbone and hungry dog. If you don't know what I mean by this ask Jer!!!

5 MIN:
Major or Triad shapes. Do Major one day and Minor the next. Play them both vertically and horizontally on the neck

10 MIN:
Major or Minor Triads played with sweep picking. These are from the tabs I sent you. Again, alternate days as far as Major and Minor shapes.

20 MIN:
First half of Phrygian begginer lesson by Muris. I'll send you a tab for this that spells out how I want you to practice it.

20 MIN:
Advanced type licks pulled from the Phrygian Advanced tab. 4 licks on one day and 4 licks on the other day.

10 MIN:
Sweep etude. Again I'll send you the tab with and show you exactly what I want you to practice on this. You are only gonna be working on the first few measures on this. 2 licks one day and 2 licks the next.

10-15 MIN:
Use this time to work on the group assignments that we are working on.

So you are basically gonna have 2 different practice routines that you will alternate on and this will take you about 90 min

Rest of the time is yours.....NOODLE AWAY!!! .

I want you to get a timer. This will keep you focused and not wandering. From watching your playing it looks to me like you could have some really sweet technique if you could really learn to focus your efforts consistently. I think if you can focus you can take you playing to the level I know you are wanting to.

Get a timer and some batteries for the KAZ-BOX..

I'll get you your tabs tomorrow and give you a few more details about how I want you to go about practicing it. It's gonna be awkward at first but stick to it and I promise you will see a lot of progress.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 3 2009, 04:07 AM

heres something i did awhile ago that i realized i used alot of triads in... only problem is i made the riffs and then tried to match the drums up with them... anyway i was soo happy with this at the time that i copyrighted it...

I used the triads, i just didnt know i was using them or what they were called...

yes you were cutting in and out a little bit

Ill do that routine...

3 notes per beat is going to give me a problem but ill do it and get it down..



what about the sweep etitude?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 3 2009, 04:54 AM

Finished your routine post.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 3 2009, 05:11 AM

So i wanna get all this straight...

5 minutes - pulloffs using these the boxes in the A ionian scale ..
http://jguitar.com/scale?root=A&scale=Ionian&fret=5&labels=letter&notes=sharps

5 minutes - using the triads in the guitar pro file you have here
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=13923

10 minutes - the tabs you made for me on sweeps

20 minutes - this lesson http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/phrygian-soloing-beginner/

20 minutes - this lesson http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/phrygian-soloing-advanced/

10 minutes - this lesson http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/sweep-etude/

15 minutes - group lessons/ collabs

I just wanted to get it all together for easy access..

Is this right or am i missing anything?

Posted by: jer Mar 3 2009, 05:33 AM

Beginners Theory Part 1

NOTES.

There are 12 notes in music.

A
A#/Bb
B
C
C#/Db
D
D#/Eb
E
F
F#/Gb
G
G#/Ab

A# and Bb are the same note. As are C# and Db. Etc.....

There are no notes in between E and F and none between B and C.

Make sense?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 3 2009, 05:35 AM

yeah i know all those... all the notes, i thought you were talking about some scale notes and ive actually never counted all those notes to see that they are 12 notes..
thanks

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 3 2009, 05:39 AM

All good but the first one John. I want you to learn A Ionian from the same tab that the triads are in. Same shapes as A Dorian just positioned on the neck differently. I want you to focus on associating the shapes with the names I have given them.

Posted by: jer Mar 3 2009, 05:44 AM

A
A#/Bb
B
C
C#/Db
D
D#/Eb
E
F
F#/Gb
G
G#/Ab

Alright then, we have our notes. Now how do we construct the major scale?

Say..... E maj Do you know that?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 3 2009, 05:47 AM

just redid it... im using the A ionian scale to do my pulloffs on

Also hey monte,

what scale is battle axe played in? and what key? and how would i figure this out for myself?

Posted by: jer Mar 3 2009, 05:53 AM

see my new post above when you have time John. You posted about 1/3 of a second after I did. May have missed it.

More tomorrow.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 3 2009, 05:58 AM

No idea how to do that...

wwhwwwh ?


I would say
EF#G#ABC#D#E

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 3 2009, 06:04 AM

See if you can hunt down a GP file and I'll take a look at it.

Good job on the E major scale BTW!

Posted by: jer Mar 3 2009, 01:29 PM

Exactly!

pick any note and go wwhwwwh and you'll have the major scale for that key.

Always. Its a law of the universe.

So if I were starting a notebook of theory stuff I knew I'd write the 12 note names and the formula (wwhwwwh) of the major scale.

Now we have our Emaj scale.



Do you know how to find the chords that we would use to play in the key of Emaj?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 3 2009, 01:38 PM

Im guessing we could use any chords in here EF#G#ABC#D#, just E would have to be the starting chord
and main chord used most often

Posted by: jer Mar 3 2009, 02:46 PM

Here is how ya do it.

You take your scale. E F# G# A B C# D# and you "stack thirds". What do I mean by that? Well, each scale has 7 notes. (also called degrees) The first degree here is E, the second degree is F# etc....

We'll have 7 chords available to us. One for each note of the scale.

For the first chord, start with E, then count forward in the scale 3 notes (starting with E, so its kind of like 2 notes really depending on how you count) E --> F# --> G# So the first chord has E, then G#, then do it again from G# count forward 3 notes, starting on G#. G# --> A --> B.

That gives us E G# B And that is our first chord.

You can also look at stacking thirds as leap-frogging notes.

What would be the 2nd chord in the Emaj scale? It starts with our 2nd note in the scale.....

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 3 2009, 06:34 PM

Thanks for the help Jer. Keep going with Outlaw in this thread until you get him up to speed. Tell him the story about my Death Metal band if you need to but make sure he is on the same page as the rest of us. Good job dude! \m/\m/

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 3 2009, 10:06 PM

Hi Outlaw,
What is the deal with your screename? 2112 is Rush right? What is outlaw? Not in the witness protection program are ya?

Alright, here is your tab for the Phrygian advanced. You will notice that above some of the measures I have wrote a Lick1, 2 etc, and specified which bars comprise that lick.

There are four of them. Each one of them focuses on a different technique as you can see from my notation. Make sure you figure out how these are played with relation to the beat so you can work them up to tempo with the Kaz-box, otherwise you will never get these bad boys down. If you need my help you know where to find me.


Your assignment for the week with these is to just get them memorized and under your fingers and count them in your head so you know where the beat should fall. That way when you start working on them with the Kaz-box it will be easier. These are some tough licks, been working on them for a few months myself, so these are long term goals.

I think you have everything you need now as far assignments. Keep going with Jer and he'll get you up to speed with the rest of us on the theory.

Get to work dude!

Posted by: jer Mar 3 2009, 10:36 PM

Hey John,

We last left off here: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=25206&view=findpost&p=348080

If you are confident answering that go ahead and list the notes for the other 5 chords for that scale. If you arent sure feel free to take it one chord at a time. No worries.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 4 2009, 05:00 AM

Just had a 90 minute practice routine... I did everything, but i used the metronome on guitar pro... its gonna take me some time to convert over to just a straight metronome, but ill do it... I just wanted to get used to my practice routine..

Also on muris phrygian advanced, i worked it up to 30 bpm and the notes ... it will be very hard to get this down with only a metronome, but im good with guitarpro...

ohh yeah and box 4 on muris phrygian soloing beginner is a nasty sounding lick...
Im glad im learning this, thanks monte and thanks muris for making these

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 4 2009, 05:11 AM

Good job John!! Which licks from the advanced licks did you get to 30 bpm? Are you telling me you already memorized that legato lick? That thing took me like....forever to learn, and I JUST barely am getting it up to tempo.

Really try to wean yourself off the guitarpro, it is OK to practice this way, but I think it kind of turns you into a parrot rather than really allowing you to feel the beat and know where the notes should fall.

Also don't forget about breaking up the beats and turning 1 beat into 2 beats. Allows you to use a higher bpm on the Kaz-box. For that first beat of the Phrygian advanced, you would play two groups of five in two beats rather than a group of five, or a quintuplet, on the downbeat and one on the upbeat.

When you do your upload for these licks I just want to see you, your axe and the kaz-box....I'm a jerk....I know!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 4 2009, 05:17 AM

I just practiced that first section we were talking about on skype the other night... I practiced that one section for 20 minutes straight til i got it up to 30 bpm clean... I wanted to get it to at least half of muris speed before i go onto section two of this awesome solo.. and if youre up to 80 bpm then you are the man

I have mad respect for muris, not only for being able to play this but come up with this stuff

and i just wanted to get this practice routine down for a few days before i make a video and show
you some stuff...

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 4 2009, 07:33 AM

Only up to around 80 on the sweep, legato and close on the economy. Nowhere near 80 on the AP lick.
Muris is definitely the man!! You should be recognizing all these licks as diatonic scale boxes.

Posted by: jer Mar 4 2009, 05:12 PM

Go ahead and continue on those chord constructions John, if you are stuck PM me. We'll figure it out.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 5 2009, 04:03 AM

Unfortunately I got called into work at 3:30 this morning... so after only a couple of hours sleep, im gonna have to make up the 90 minute practice tomorrow, im exhausted after working a 16 hour day... Ill just double everything tomorrow

But i did manage to go over some theory stuff with Jeremy...

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 05:46 AM

Outlaw,
Go to this thread if you haven't already, and download the nice colorful chart Opeth made us. Will help with your theory studies.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=25314

\m/\m/

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 05:48 PM

Outlaw....In the C Phrygian mode, what triads are built using the following notes as roots:

Db

Bb

C


AND what are the notes in each of the triads?


Thanks dude!!

Posted by: jer Mar 5 2009, 05:59 PM

remember what we talked about with "leapfrogging"

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 6 2009, 12:20 AM

Db F Bb

Bb Db F

C Eb G

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 6 2009, 12:28 AM

Close John......Check the Db triad...I think you leapfrogged to far. Make sure you tell me if they are major or minor..

USE THE CHART: I,IV and V=Major ii,iii and vi=Minor and vii dim=Diminished.

Outlaw...I meant to tell you to try and get the Phrygian beginner lesson done ASAP and a video posted. Once you get it posted I'm gonna give you a fun assignment. I bet you can't wait.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 6 2009, 12:32 AM

Db F Ab youre right i leaped too far

Yeah i cant wait, i would have been done with it if it wasnt for work... Im a driver supervisor for my company and i have 2 drivers out at the moment.. so when that happens i get called into work at like 3 am... normally i get there at 9am
it has happened everyday this week... I cant wait to get back on schedule, cause its killed my guitar time for the last couple of days...

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 7 2009, 03:36 AM

Im ready to record the beginner lesson, I have it down.... just gotta find time to do it, hopefully ill have some time to do it tomorrow... I have my son this weekend so he requires my attention all the time since i only get him every other weekend

but ill get it done tomorrow, somehow... Im looking forward to my next assignment.. this is just what i needed,
someone to help me focus on the things i need to

thanks monte

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 7 2009, 05:04 AM

Cool John, Looking forward to it. I'm gonna give you a little assignment to do before we tackle the intermediate level. As soon as you post a take that looks good I'll give you the assingment. I think you'll llike it....

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 7 2009, 06:17 AM

here it is... i little off in lining it up, but it was my first time trying it like this... hopefully ill get better at it

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 7 2009, 06:50 AM

I had to record audio on audacity while i was recording the video... then goto windows movie player and line up the two of them...

Posted by: Marek Rojewski Mar 7 2009, 12:52 PM

Cool take, there was a bit of unwanted noise here and there, so try to mute the strings more, or use a preset that is less noisy

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 7 2009, 01:59 PM

Yeah, I use a preset that picks up every little noise... I figure that if i practice with this preset all the time,
then goto one that isnt as strong as that one ill just sound even better...
I always practice with high gain on my preset

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 7 2009, 03:44 PM

Sounds good John. See my comments in the "Phrygian Serial thread". Keep workng dude. BTW, how is your practice routine going? Have you been using the Kaz-box much?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 7 2009, 03:54 PM

Practice wasnt up to what i wanted it to be this week... I was working 12 -15 hour days wednesday, thursday and friday..
So when i got home i was exhausted and probably picked up my guitar about 30 -45 minutes each day... but i did manage to practice the Phrygian lesson some and go over some theory stuff with the help from jer...

Jer has been a great help to me in this theory stuff


next thing i want to video is my weak kaz box skills... probably gonna make a video on sunday night
after i drop my son off at his moms...

I need some help with that kazbox thing

ohh yeah and i have been working on this song also

i love the sweeps in here, but i gotta clean this song up more also...more kaz box practice

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 7 2009, 04:00 PM

No Problem John. Get me a video and I'll give you some feedback. You might get with Dan (Opeth.db) as well on this. The whole kaz-box thing is new to him as well and he has been working at it really hard for the last few weeks. I'ts really paid off as well!!

I think this is where your routine of practicing with the GP file is hurting you. Turning you into a parrot like I said before. It is OK to play along with the file if you need to get the feel of how the lick should be phrased, but when you play with the backing and your mind is waiting to hear the GP file to know when to play and it isn't there you get "lost" a little and aren't real confident exactly where that lick is supposed to be played. Learn to phrase the lick with just the Kaz box, especially on more technical licks. For those first few licks you could play along with Muris and his video. For the last part of the lesson though, you really need to work on it with the Kaz-box and then play it with the backing track.

Good job though. You just need to do a little detailing in your practice method to get it to where the licks sound really fluid.

Look ahead to the intermediate level of this lesson. If you think you are gonna learn to play that like Muris without knowing how to use the Kaz-box.......You are a better man than I.

IMO, not learning to use the Kaz-box will keep you from being the guitarist you want to be!!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 7 2009, 04:04 PM

I want to learn to use the box, and ill do what it takes to learn it and get over this barrier...

Ill get with dan and ask him how he is doing with it

thanks

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 7 2009, 04:12 PM

It's nothing major John....Just a little detail that you can certainly get down. Dan really struggled with it for a week or so.....I did too when I was learning to use it. It is just like anything else.......Practice, persistency and consistency. Get with Dan and let me know if you guys need any additional help. Good job dude!!

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 7 2009, 09:28 PM

Outlaw, Check out this picture. Notice above the bars you see some numbers and words. 1 and-ah 2 and etc.

I wrote out where you should actually play in the measure. Look at it and if it is greek to you then post back and I'll post a simple GP pic illustrating the different notes and note values and how to count them. Let me know and I'll do this for the whole lesson. Then when you try to play these licks with the Kaz-box, you can look at the tab and know EXACTLY how the measures should be counted.

Let me know. \m/\m/

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 7 2009, 09:36 PM

Its still a little confusing... Im new to the kazbox... ive used it with the petrucci dvd playing 4 notes per beat, but i never counted i just hit every 4th note a little harder to tell where im at

I feel that it is easier to accent the note that is supposed to be played on the beat.. Is there a way to do that instead of counting or is counting something that needs to be done?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 7 2009, 11:54 PM

hey monte,

For me it is I can accent the note a little
and keep track of it is way easier than thinking 1 and a 2 and a 3 thing.




and this legato exercise is nice

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 8 2009, 12:10 AM

Outlaw,
Here is a picture of the different notes values

quarter notes=1 note per beat
8th notes=2 notes per beat
8th note triplets=3 notes per beat
16th notes=4 notes per beat

If you think of every beat as a 16th notet you can get the other notes by just playing on the appropriate division of the 16th note.

If you can play the licks by feel you don't need to know how to count, but it looked to me from your video that you were kind of getting lost with where to come in etc. Post another take after you have practiced the lesson for ahwile and we'll see if the timing is any better.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 8 2009, 03:38 PM

What worked for me John was to just work on 2 strings for the moment. I used the Low E and A string. Work on subdividing the beat just on 2 strings first then when you get it down strt incorporating the rest of the box.

Im still working on this buts its getting a bit easier.

I use an online metronome.. http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/metronome.php cuz im too cheap to buy one

Set it to the lowest setting which would be 40.

Here what it should look like using the A Ionian Box.

Beat.......................................Beat = 1 Note per beat
A_________________________B

Beat................1......................Beat = 2 Notes Per Beat
A__________B______________C#

Beat.........1...............2.............Beat = 3 notes per beat.
A_______B________C#_______D

Beat.......1..........2.........3.........Beat = 4 notes per beat.
A_____B_____C#____D______E

Beat........1.........2.........3..........4.........Beat = 5 Notes per beat
A______B_____C#____D_____E______F#

Beat........1.........2.........3........4........5........Beat = 6 notes per beat.
A______B_____C#___D_____E____F#____G#


The ky is to correctly divide the beat evenly so yo et all those beats in before the next beat..

Hopefully this helps.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 9 2009, 07:21 PM

John....Here is where I think we are so far with you:


Scales and triads:
You know your boxes so you just need to associate the names with shapes. I will get you a tab for the triad fingerings today. Keep working on these as you have time. Good warm up excercises. Doesn't need to be more than a few minutes a day. Just consistency.

Counting and the Kaz-box:
This is my NUMBER ONE priority with you right now John. You will never be able to play the way you want to as far as technique unless you kick this one in the butt!!! I have a busy week this week so skype is not looking good for me. Dan says that he is on skype almost every night and you have him on your contacts list. I want you to get with him ASAP and have him show you what I have him doing. NO KAZ-BOX/COUNTING=NO SPEED OR RHYTHMIC COOLNESS. Dan will hook you up on this and I can work more with you on skype next week if needs be.

Monthly solo:
Everybody is picking their own backing to solo over. If you want to make your own that is fine or if you want to do Muris's Phrygian backing that would work as well. Let me know what you want to do. I just want you to compose a solo using the theory and scales and triads we have been talking about. Use it or lose it.

Phrygian lesson:
I'd like a new take on this and let's see if we can't clean up the timing.

Keep working on sweeps as well and post a video of you doing this when you can so I can see how you are progressing.

Let me know if you have any questions. Good job so far John!!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 10 2009, 03:53 AM

I tried to record another take on the Phrygian solo tonight but i kept getting static like i did before for some reason..
Ill look into the problem and try to get it fixed..

youre right about the kazbox... its my #1 priority to get this thing down, im having difficulties with 3 notes per beat and with the whole thing in general... I have dan on my skype, but i never see him online.. man the kazbox and static on my recording are very frustrating.... very frustrating

Ill look into a phrygian backing

thanks for everything monte

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 10 2009, 04:10 AM

John....What types of problems are you having with the Kaz-box? You joined our group a little late and I don't know if you saw this lesson but if not check it out:


http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/membersonly/how-to-use-a-metronome.htm

Kris does a good job of explaining all the different types of groupings. Hope this helps.

My wife will be gone tomorrow night so I might have a few minutes tomorrow night if this doesn't help.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 10 2009, 04:29 AM

Ive seen that from kris before... good stuff there

I guess ill have to slow the metronome way down til i get it right...

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 10 2009, 04:46 AM

Slow is the Key John. Trust me on this. put the metronome at 60 KU until you can evenly space the 3 notes. Once you get the feel of it it will be simple to speed up. It sounds like you are just trying to play it too fast.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 10 2009, 04:49 AM

yeah, its annoying when i can play it probably around 120 bpm with my fingers but i cant get it right in time at 80 bpm on the metronome...

Ill slow it way down and start from there and then build it back up in time... i hope

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 10 2009, 05:06 AM

It won't take long John. The problem isn't your fingers...It's your brain. I have to do this all the time when I lear a new lick. I know for a fact that I have the technique to play a lick but it isn't in my muscle memory yet. Say the lick is at 120 KU. I'll slow it down to like 50 or 60 play it or a few minutes and then crank up the metronome. I doesn't take long.

We aren't training your fingers here. We are training your brain.


John....You never answered my question about your screen name. What is the story behind it?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 10 2009, 05:21 AM

I used to game alot and play cod 1 in a clan.. we were in twl and cal matches all the time and used to stay up late
into the early morning going over strategies and scrimmaging other clans...
I tore my ACL and MCL in my left knee and was off from work for 11 months, and at the same time i was going through
a divorce, so I played cod about 12 to 15 hours a day while i was recovering... After i tore my knee i had blood clots so they couldnt operate til they were gone... plus i was on blood thinners... so i couldnt walk or work for a long time
Anyway my screen name in cod was Outlaw and my clans name was mach... http://www.machclan.net/

since i was called outlaw for a couple of years online already, i decided to keep it going on here...

ohh yeah and i added 2112 after rush

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 10 2009, 05:26 AM

Damn dude.....If I had 12-15 hours a day to do whatever....I MIGHT be able to play Muris's neoclassical extreme.....MAYBE!!!

Glad you are doing better. Could have learned to use the Kaz-box too!!!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 12 2009, 05:01 AM

yeah i wish i had picked the guitar back up then... but i wasnt into it then, i took soo long off i had
kinda forgotten about my first love... now she is back in my life

I was going to make a sweeps video but i was messin with this song tonight, and it has sweeps in it..

I was playing it perfect til i started making the video then all i was thinking was i hope i dont mess up,
and i did... here it is

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 12 2009, 05:15 AM

John....have you been working on the sweeps I gave you at all? Would you like a little video demonstrating them? John I think most of your problems are just timing related and once you get feel for the metronome I think you will improve by leaps and bounds. Playing by feel will work for alot of stuff. Rhytmn playing, slower leads etc....But if you have any aspirations of playing anything at "MURIS TEMPO" you have got to learn to use a metronome.


Let me know if you want me to demonstrate how to phrase anything with the Kaz-box from the phrygian lesson. I can demnonstrate anything you would like really. Just let me know.


EDIT: It's not looking good for a video tonight. Youtube is taking FOOOORRREEEVVVEEERR!!!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 12 2009, 05:37 AM

yeah ive been working on the sweeps you gave me about 20 minutes a night... Some nights when i work late i dont get as much practice in as i would like but i have been working on everything you asked me to.. I have it all saved in a gmc mtp file on my computer... the only thing i havent been working on that much is theory stuff, tonight i worked with the metronome alot... youre right it is frustrating, very frustrating but ill work through it

I was wanting to record the sweeps with the metronome but i get lost when i do that.. I can record them without it if you would like me to..

ill make a video tomorrow, its 12:30 here and i gotta get some sleep...

And anything you demonstrate will be a great help, but at the moment playing sweeps with the metronome and explaining it would be a huge help

thanks, monte

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 12 2009, 05:53 AM

Alright John....I'll make a sweeping video tomorrow for you. I'll demonstrate the arpeggios I gave you in the tab and go over some of the finer points of sweeping. I think the metronome video will help you. Keep working with the Kaz-box and do that tab I uploaded in the Kaz-box thread EVERY time you practice and eventually it will get MUCH easier. Ask Dan....I know he really struggled with it a first.....So did I....But it is second nature to me now and I think it is MUCH easier for Dan now.

Watch some of Muris's lessons like the intermediate phrygian or lydian and look how easily he switches from playing triplets to 16ths to 16th triplets etc., This comes from being able to feel the beat which can be developed by using the Kaz-box!! Just keep working with it and it will get MUCH easier.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 14 2009, 12:48 AM

I practiced the metronome alot last night, and wish i could tonight... but i have my son for the night
and ill have to take the night off...

I plan on making a video before the weekend is over playing that sweep lick
with the kazbox

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 14 2009, 02:53 PM

Hey John...

I am on usually everynight between 9-12PM est.

Thogh lately I have not been cause I have been pretty tired with the new baby and all...

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 14 2009, 10:02 PM

I practiced alot more with the metronome today.. I did the sweeps with it and the gp file you sent me.. Now the only problem ones are 5 and 6 notes per beat.. But ill get it down, i had a video made of me playing the sweeps along with
the metronome and i even uploaded it to youtube, but i wasnt satisfied with it so i deleted it.. Ill post one tomorrow night

thanks for everything monte

Ill check for you, im on at that same time usually on weeknights

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 16 2009, 02:59 AM

heres something i just made tonight.. more struggles at the metronome's hands

Its very frustrating and sometimes i tend to wander off into a metal riff or two, but im steady working on this
thing...

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 16 2009, 03:25 AM

Its funny i can play along with cds with no problem, but this little clicking seems to give me problems

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 16 2009, 03:39 AM

John,
I would really try to work on those scale shapes that I put in the tab and get all of those groupings down where you can play them in time with the metronome. Don't play any faster than 60 bpm. The goal of the excercise at this point is for you to lock into the beat...not to see how fast you can play. Work on this DAILY until you can post a vid of you playing in PERFECT time with the Kaz-box. As far as runs go in the guitar, almost all of the groupings can be broken down into groups of 3, 4 or 5.

Consistent practice is the key.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 18 2009, 05:09 AM

A night of disaster for practicing.. I had to change the brakes on my girls car and it needed not only brake pads but rotors.. So me and my dog were outside doing all that and had to run to get the rotors... finally got all that done ate dinner and got ready to practice when i hear my dog throwing up all over the place.. I guess he licked up some of the brake cleaner when i wasnt looking or something.. I had to clean all that mess up, then give him a bath.. did all this after working a 10 hour work day.. Now its midnight and im exhausted and cant get into playing cause my eyes are stinging..
I feel guilty cause im gonna have to goto bed without practicing tonight.. Looks like tomorrow im gonna have to practice and make up for tonight.. I dont want to let monte down, or myself..

anyway ive been working on the metronome alot more than i have the lessons.. This is my main goal to get this thing down.. I feel that once i get used to playing with this thing, my playing will improve by huge margins..

Just wanted to let you know whats happening, monte

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 18 2009, 05:16 AM

Don't sweat it John....Not letting anybody down. Hope your day goes better tomorrow.

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 18 2009, 01:30 PM

Watched your video John. Your definately playing it to fast. I had that syndrome where you want to play quick but if you can't play it slow, whats the point?

Monte is right. The purpose is to lock into the beat. I started at 40 BPM and went through every pattern.
2, 3, 4, 5, 6 notes per beat so you can comfortably know and play every pattern with ease.

It litterally took me a couple of weeks to really get it. Know Im reaping the benefits. The lydian serial I have been praticig is getting easy. Yea I can play it at the recorded speed of 90BPM but I can play it at 60. Knowing where the beats fall is key. It was tough for me to play to a backing cuz I would get lost because I would play by feel. Im still ahve some problems with it but I am able to to analyze the beat and figure it out.

Hope this helps and keep going man.


If you like I can make a video for you to show you how I did it.

Posted by: jer Mar 18 2009, 03:44 PM

Dont burn yourself out John.

Its not a race.

Its awesome that you are dedicated. Don't stress out on it though. Stressing about it is what demotivates me the quickest.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 18 2009, 04:06 PM

Thanks for the support... I kinda use monte as motivation, he put all this time into coming up with
a practice schedule and evaluating whats going on.. I want to do my share and do what he says, so i
dont want to let him down.. I know its not a race, but i feel guilty if i dont do what he has come up with.
Which is great, its exactly what i needed... Before i joined this mtp program, I was all over the place, learning
this and that, parts of lessons on gmc and not finishing them, parts of songs and not finishing them and not
practicing what i should be to advance the way i should..
So this is just what i needed to stay on track... even though i still do go off track sometimes and learn a
riff or two, but then i go back to what im supposed to be doing..

lately i have been metronome practicing for an hour straight to get this thing down... and yeah Dan, a video
on your metronome practice explaining how you did it would be very helpful not only to me but to others who
are struggling with this clicky thing

Iam very happy to be apart of this group and it seems like we are a small family or something offering each
other help when we need it.. Jer has been a tremendous help to me with this theory stuff, and if there is anything
I can help anyone with just let me know... I was going to make a metal galloping exercise video that i do everyday
after my practice routine, just to keep my metal rhythm practice up to par

thanks

Posted by: jer Mar 18 2009, 04:17 PM

I'm looking forward to that!

Remember the kaz box video I made too. Its somewhere around here....

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 18 2009, 05:26 PM

Seriously John, trust me on this....DON'T focus on speed right now, focus on locking into the beat and play it like Dan says, slow and accurate. Speed will come....but not until you can play slow and clean.

I am going through this right now with my AP....I want to push the tempo too much and it isn't working. I have slowed it way down and I am starting to see some progress. Pretty soon you will have the metronome playing in your head all the time and it will be easy to phrase stuff in your head and you will know exactly what you want to play.

Playing with the CD or with the GP file is fine if that is all you ever want to do. If you want to write your own stuff and not have it sound boring you need to learn to count. Stick with it and once you get comfortable with that one pattern we will expand it to other licks and you'll be applying this to scales and arpeggios. You'll love it!!

Keep working, we all have rough days where we just don't feel like practicing. I had one this morning....don't force it.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 18 2009, 05:31 PM

Yeah i have been playing everything at 50 bpm, just to get the feel of the thing... I will
get the clicky thing down, ive made it my most important goal at the moment.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 20 2009, 03:31 AM

just made this tonight to show my metronome skills

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 20 2009, 03:52 AM

John....Take your metronome and set it at the tempo you had in the video. Take your timer and set it for 3 minutes. Play nothing but 16th notes for 3 minutes....quintuplets for 3 minutes and then 16th triplets for 3 minutes.

The problem that you are having is that your technique is way ahead of your sense of rhythm when it is just you and the metronome. You played the triplets perfect. You rushed on all the others. Sometimes it is a lot harder to play things slow than it is fast. You need to lock into click, try and make that scale a repeating pattern where you can just cycle it over and over. Just running up and down the scale. It is hard to slow down when you are capable of playing much faster...but you can do it. Keep working.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 20 2009, 03:54 AM

i will get on it right away... turning on the metronome as i type

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 20 2009, 01:06 PM

Sorry John I havent made your video lately. been a tab busy this week. Ill try to get that up for ya this weekend.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 21 2009, 12:45 AM

No problem Dan,I know youre busy lately

ive just become obsessed with getting this metronome down...

Posted by: opeth.db Mar 23 2009, 02:05 AM

Here ya go John.. Hope this help.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 23 2009, 02:21 AM

thanks bro... Im working on it now

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 23 2009, 04:45 AM

Nice Dan....So cool to see you lock into that beat effortlessly. Definitely wasn't the case a month ago. Good job man!!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 24 2009, 03:50 AM

hey monte,

I made some nice licks for the arpeggio collab, can i use them for the licks that are due at the
end of the month here in the mtp program.. Ill post them on youtube and make a gp file for them

I think we are due 2 licks at the end of the month, right?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 24 2009, 04:03 AM

Yeah....you can definitely use them for the Kaz-box licks. Can't wait to hear them. Thanks John!!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 24 2009, 04:47 AM

Ill work on them tomorrow... Ive kinda strayed away from my practice routine, havent done it properly since thursday..
I had my son with me this past weekend so i didnt practice friday or saturday night and sunday night i spent working on
pedja's collab... and tonight i had to spend some time with my girlfriend.

Hopefully tomorrow ill be back on track, funny thing is that when i dont practice for a day or two in my head i feel
like im hurting my playing.. like im regressing or something instead of progressing

I think i might restructure my routine to 60 minutes instead of 90 minutes to make sure i get everything in..

Im also going to buy a new soundcard and see if thats the problem with my audio recording...

thanks monte

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 24 2009, 05:03 AM

Don't stress out about your practice routine John....we all have life to deal with and a lot of times guitar has to wait. You should come up with two different routines and do them every other day. Works really well for me. Don't worry about regressing....you aren't. You sound like me. I worry if I miss a day of practice that somehow my fingers will forget what to do...ridiculous really!!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Mar 30 2009, 02:27 AM

Just wanted to let you know im still chuggin away at the metronome practice... I spent some time on a couple of collabs,
but i should have a new metronome video in a day or two... I also recorded a couple of licks in video, but i forgot to have the metronome playing while i was playing them.. I did them one at fast speed and one at slow speed..

Ill post the metronome progress soon

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 30 2009, 02:30 AM

Sounds good John. Let me know if you need any help with anything else. Keep working dude!!! You are doing great.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 1 2009, 02:02 AM

heres a metronome video... im feeling much more comfortable with the metronome, but i still need more work at it...
and a video of those licks in the phrygian collab played with the metronome..

I had a few days where i didnt play with the metronome too much cause i was just in the mood to jam and learn some new riffs... but im back on schedule now

I still havent figured out the audio with the webcam so the guitar sounds bad with the webcam mic...

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 1 2009, 02:28 AM

John....you are still rushing the Phrygian beginner licks. Watch the video back and count along with it and you'll notice that the first 2 beats you are locked in and then you start rushing. Your metronome video was really good. Your rushed the quintuplets a little bit but not until the very end of the run. You are doing a good job though. I want you to watch your phrygian video a few times and just count along so you can see where you are rushing it and you can consciously think about that when you are practicing it. It isn't that you can't play the lick....you are just rushing it. Keep working...you are definitely making progress.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 1 2009, 03:06 AM

OK ill work on the timing more... thanks for the fast reply and critique

Im going to get it down...

Im also working on the muris intermediate phrygian lesson, but its gonna take some time to get it
right

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 1 2009, 03:11 AM

Just keep working. Don't worry about playing the Phrygian lesson tomorrow....it's not a race.

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 5 2009, 12:59 AM

How is everything going John? Need any help with anything?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 5 2009, 01:34 AM

everything is going good... Im working on joes d dorian collab at the moment and have a solo written,
I just need to clean it up and speed it up in a few parts..

Im feeling alot more comfortable with the metronome... I want to thank you for pushing that on me,
sometimes i get off practice schedule and just play guitar at night (noodling around), but im on schedule at least 4 nights a week.

I could use some help tabbing out stuff in guitarpro.... Im not the best at knowing the timing on everything.. more timing issues, ill send you the solo ive written for joes collab and see what you think..

do you still get on skype?

thanks monte



I was thinking that maybe we could work on a song as a mtp group together?

maybe we all pick a song and make a cover of it or something? kinda like the virtual bands do?

Posted by: jer Apr 5 2009, 02:59 AM

I'd be into that.

I like cover collabs.

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 5 2009, 05:15 AM

Since we all like different tunes and Dan and Jer love metal why don't we collab on this:



Dan says that this dude didn't go on to sing for Opeth after his solo gig on Sesame street ended.....I say he did....Jer is undecided...What do you think John?



Sorry Dan.....this never gets old!!!

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 5 2009, 05:52 AM

I do get on skype just not all the time....Do you need me to get on? I could help you out with guitar pro for sure. I'm not a pro with it but I am pretty decent. Glad to hear you are getting pretty regimented with your practicing. If you can stay focused four days a week and use the other days to "noodle" I think that is great....should improve your playing A LOT. The noodling is where you are gonna come up with your own stuff....which should be the goal.

As far as a cover collab I'd totally be into it....maybe we could even get Jer to come out of retirement to help us out....he and Dan are bad!@# rhythmn players and much better at recording then I am. If you guys want to do it pick a tune and I'm in!!.....provided I can get my computer working again!!

Posted by: jer Apr 5 2009, 02:08 PM

What tunes did you have in mind Outlaw?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 5 2009, 02:17 PM

doesnt matter to me, im more into 80's music than anything.. ratt, motley, dokken, judas priest, metallica ect.
I was thinking this song because it has alot of triads in it..


but i picked the last one we did (children of the grave)... you pick something this time...

Posted by: jer Apr 5 2009, 02:34 PM

Hey I did any of that stuff!!!

What say the rest of you?

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 5 2009, 03:31 PM

I didn't know you guys already collabed on a tune....any mp3's? I'm up for anything. I've always thought that White Lion's cover of "radar love" would be a cool tune to cover but any 80's tune would ROCK!!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 5 2009, 04:31 PM

heres what me and jer did before... alex did the singing and bass

Posted by: jer Apr 5 2009, 05:00 PM

sweet. I hadnt heard that with vocals I dont think.....

I did the rhythm parts. Outlaw did the leads.

I still think the leads are WAYYYY to loud. They need to sink back into the mix more.

I did the rhythm parts. Outlaw did the leads.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 5 2009, 07:27 PM

yeah listening to it now the leads are too loud...

and incomplete

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 7 2009, 03:19 AM

this lesson kinda took over my practice routine tonight... its alot harder than you would think to get it to 80 bpm

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/pentatonic_exercise_quintuplets/

im at 70 at the first box...

its a fun and useful lesson to build up speed with..

now i gotta throw some arpeggio sweeps in tonight and ill call it a night

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 7 2009, 03:57 AM

What do you think of covering this song... it has alot of triads in it

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 7 2009, 04:45 AM

Good lesson...Add it to your routine if you enjoy it.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 8 2009, 03:27 AM

my whole routine was that lesson tonight... did about 15 minutes of sweeps and the rest was playing that lesson for about 90 minutes

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 8 2009, 03:32 AM

Post a take when you can. \m/\m/

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 8 2009, 03:41 AM

I want to get it up to 80 bpm before i post it... im at 65 now

Posted by: jer Apr 8 2009, 12:29 PM

How about Metallica's Seek & Destroy for a collab?

Or Paranoid?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 11 2009, 04:45 AM

either sounds good to me.... you pick

Posted by: jer Apr 11 2009, 02:07 PM

Lets do Seek & Destroy.

Who else reading this wants to join in?

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 11 2009, 02:13 PM

I... maybe xD I really don't like metallica, but anyway, I can still play it So I gues I'll

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 11 2009, 02:18 PM

exact cover or improvised solos?

and lets do both of the songs... cant leave out paranoid

Posted by: jer Apr 11 2009, 02:21 PM

I wont be doing the solo parts so thats up to you guys.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 11 2009, 02:23 PM

why not?
just improvise a solo like a collab

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 11 2009, 11:53 PM

heres an excellent way to control your practice sessions... use it to stop you when its time to
go on to something else

http://www.timeme.com/timer-stopwatch.htm

Posted by: jer Apr 12 2009, 12:33 AM

Because quite honestly I don't have any fun working on leads.

But there is plenty of rhythm in that those tunes so I've got plenty of room.

\m/ \m/

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 12 2009, 12:40 AM

Yeah i think there are like 9 different riffs in that song.

Posted by: jer Apr 12 2009, 12:43 AM

I love the end the best.

CRUNCHY!



http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/m/metallica/seek_and_destroy_ver2_guitar_pro.htm

Here is a highly rated GP file for it.

I'm gonna see if I can make a decent backing from it.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 12 2009, 12:50 AM

ok cool...

who all is in this? monte? kaz? opeth? jesse ?

and yeah that last riff is heavy and nasty

just a little something to get everyone in the mood...

and my first recording with my new guitar

Posted by: jer Apr 12 2009, 01:00 AM

Flag on the play.....

New guitars require videos.

Not recordings.


Working up a backing now. Cant find the right drums...

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 12 2009, 01:06 AM

I would love to do a video if i could use something besides my webcam mic... everything else has that
static noise when i use a daw to record with while doing a video.. and playing through my webcam mic sucks
for audio

Posted by: jer Apr 12 2009, 01:35 AM

Here's a backing I whipped up.

EVERY drum midi I find has these weird things in it that to me arent in the song.....

 S_D.mp3 ( 13.56MB ) : 197


Start playing after the 4ct.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 12 2009, 09:54 PM

sounds good... i was just jammin to it now..
lets do this, who wants to do what?

Im cool with whatever

Posted by: jer Apr 12 2009, 10:55 PM

I'll be doing half of the rhythm.

Unless we have more than 2 people who want to play rhythm on it.

Why don't you drop a post in the collab section leading here and see whom else wants in?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 13 2009, 03:26 AM

I thought it was going to just be us from monte's mtp group doing this?

I can post something out in the collab section if we need more people

Posted by: jer Apr 13 2009, 03:33 AM

well so far its just you and me.

We're gonna need others.

Unless you are doing 50% rhythm and all leads.

Which is fine with me too.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 13 2009, 03:43 AM

ill post something over there then...

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 13 2009, 03:45 AM

I'd jump in guys but I got two collabs and two tunes I'm trying to finish up right now....on top of trying to find time to actually practice. Maybe I'll jump in on the next one.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 13 2009, 04:33 AM

I posted something in the collab section...

And monte, ive got 2 collabs to do, 3 including this one... this one is for fun, no pressure or anything just fun

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 14 2009, 01:09 PM

Ive been working on this lesson lately and have it up to speed except for one box thats giving me some trouble...

Ill post it when i get it perfect.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/pentatonic_exercise_quintuplets/

Posted by: jer Apr 14 2009, 01:45 PM

cool, where is this cover being organized outlaw?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 14 2009, 10:33 PM

over here... http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=26533&pid=367924&st=0&#entry367924

could you post the backing on the seek and destroy thread?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 15 2009, 04:16 AM

I practiced this lesson tonight til my fingers stopped working on me... they just dont want to do what i want them to do at the moment.. I have it at 80 bpm, i just want to get it consistent and clean... i know once i start the recording ill probably mess up, so i want to have it perfect without thinking about it

I practiced this for 40 minutes tonight... on guitarpro

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 15 2009, 04:17 AM

Cool Man!!! How is the Satriani collab coming...started working on it yet?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 15 2009, 04:22 AM

I have 3 collabs i havent started working on yet..

Ive been on point with my practice schedule, and have been trying to get that lesson down..
I made a practice agenda log to help things out on what i have to do, and i have a online timer website
i use to make sure i dont go over.. I just kinda went over board on my last thing on my practice agenda..
I made that lesson my last thing and kept rolling on it after the horn went off

Ill have to start working on it tonght. hopefully

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 15 2009, 05:09 AM

No biggie....just curious. I started working on the Satch collab tonight. Very cool backing. I'm getting a head start on this one. I almost always wait until there are 3 or 4 days left and then have to rush. I'm giving myself some time on this one.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 15 2009, 05:34 AM

I already came up with a rough draft of a solo for pedjas collab.. just need to mess with it a day or two and ill be done with it

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 29 2009, 03:50 AM

no computer speakers is killin my practice routine... I ordered some new ones and im waiting impatiently for them to get here

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 29 2009, 04:00 AM

No Amp Outlaw???? That BLOWS!!!!!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Apr 29 2009, 04:17 AM

I have an amp, but my practice routine has alot of guitarpro files in it that i cant hear... also has some gmc lessons i cant hear also

Ive just been running exercises for my fingers til my new ones get here

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 29 2009, 04:36 AM

Gotcha!!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 May 11 2009, 05:05 AM

still working on the exercises you gave me... havent done anymore in the phrygian stuff, but i am learning the solo in the four horsemen... Ill record a youtube vid once i get it up to par

thanks

Posted by: Outlaw2112 May 15 2009, 03:39 AM

signed up for 2 more collabs...

Posted by: lcsdds May 15 2009, 04:55 AM

Sweet John.....where are you at with Sonar? Get your "guitar sounds like a bass" issue worked out? Practice routine going OK?

Posted by: Outlaw2112 May 15 2009, 05:10 AM

Nah guitar still sounds like a bass... I gotta mess with it some more, but ive been busy with work and life stuff to have the time to mess with it this week..

I havent followed my practice routine too well this week, seems like by the time i get home and pick up my guitar i just wanna play some songs and have fun with it, instead of going over some of the repetitive stuff on my practice schedule.. I do have the first solo down in the four horsemen and almost the second one down... just one part of the second solo that i have to get up to speed then ill be done with the whole song.. Ill post it on youtube once i complete it..

I joined the black stone cherry collab, and i shouldn't have any problem coming up with something in pentatonic since thats the scale im probably most comfortable with... Ill just throw in a chromatic run here and there and it should sound fine.. plus i would like to see what gabriel thinks when he critiques my playing

I also joined joes b dorian low down collab... its a cool backing that i can also use the pentatonic on..
Joes collabs are always fun and a learning experience for me

Check out both of these collabs

Posted by: lcsdds May 15 2009, 05:19 AM

Sounds cool Outlaw.....guitar should be fun first and foremost.....you have the right idea there. I'll be interested to hear your takes on the collabs. Let me know if you need anything.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 May 20 2009, 11:57 PM

lets sign up for some of these awesome collabs that have come out recently... pedja has a nice one, and there is a metal arpeggio collab out

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Jun 9 2009, 01:05 PM

signed up for the dorian collab and i still have to finish the metal arpeggio collab.. Ive signed up for alot of collabs in the past month