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Apr 22 2007, 08:10 PM |
I have a question about scales, many of times I’ve been told scales are very important for learning the guitar but I don’t see how. They are patterns but how can they make you produce your own music? Because these patters are something everyone uses. Look at it this way - you need to learn English (or the language of your choice) before you can be a poet. Scales are the language of music, and don't worry, there are more than enough different ways to put them together to keep things interesting. Not knowing scales would be a little like trying to write a poem without using real words - in some cases it could work and be very cool, but the chances are better is you stick to a commonly understood medium, which is what scales/language are. To push the metaphor a little further - there are many types of scales - minor, major, modes etc - think of this as increasing your vocabulary and learning different and more original ways of expressing your ideas. This post has been edited by Andrew Cockburn: Apr 22 2007, 08:11 PM -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Apr 23 2007, 08:50 PM |
Only so many songs can be sung with two lips, two lungs, and one tongue.
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Apr 23 2007, 08:54 PM |
Exactly. Knowing scales, for a musician, is the equivalent of an architect knowing how to build the basic frame of a house. Once the frame is built, then he can do whatever he wants to the house...make it look like a boring brick square, or a giant octopus, or whatever. The frame, for us, is the scale. The giant octopus house is what you decide to do with that scale. So if you want to play a lick based on C minor pentatonic, go ahead and add in whatever notes you want, as long as it sounds good to you. The C minor pentatonic scale is just a framework for you to build on, or a lump of clay for you to mold. How about this old saying....the reason for learning the rules is so that you know how to break them. Scales are just tools...EXTREMELY USEFUL TOOLS.... that help you to reproduce the sound you hear in your head. And yes, I DID talk about a giant octopus house in a thread about scales. Great post wheeler, I totally agree. They key point is that music theory is there to try and explain what sounds good and why. It can be great if you want to get fancy, but half the time at least I suspect everyone comes up with something they think sounds cool and then works out the theory for it after the fact. Music theory and scales are a great place to start becuse they train you in all of the ways Tank mentioned, but at a certain point you transcend the scales and play what sounds good to you and that is where the music really is, not in the theory itself. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Apr 23 2007, 09:33 PM |
Ok thanks for the help i think i get it now. I better get learning scales eventually then.
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Apr 24 2007, 08:24 PM |
I'm the only guitar player in the band. It's all about the riffs. We dont use scales at all when making riffs.
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Apr 24 2007, 09:04 PM |
I'm the only guitar player in the band. It's all about the riffs. We dont use scales at all when making riffs. Sure you do - you just don't think about it in scales terms Not trying to be argumentative - I think this is a good illustration of a case where you play what sounds cool and creative and then you could fit a scale to it after the fact if you wanted to, because you have experience with scales. This is what I meant when I said "this is where the music is" - the scales don't enter into the process consciously at all - theory is playing catchup and trying to describe something that already exists, rather than driving its creation in the first place. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Apr 24 2007, 09:55 PM |
Would some1 also explain "phrasing" with the scales and everything. Ive watched the video kris did, but I just want a further explanation of it please adn thank you Scales are the notes you play, phrasing is more about how you play them. Phrasing could be anything from whether you use legato or alt picking, timing between the notes, or even the selection of notes. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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