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Posted by: The JEM Jun 21 2007, 09:38 PM
fast playa
Posted by: Ryan Jun 21 2007, 10:08 PM
YNGWIE IS AWESOME, even though he may be a prick sometimes. Maybe he has a reason for it. I mean he is an amazing guitarist!!
Posted by: VinceG Jun 21 2007, 10:09 PM
he has every right to be a douche bag. Id be like that too if i have the skills as him.
Posted by: Ryan Jun 21 2007, 10:13 PM
But even though he has amazing skills at the guitar. That still doesnt give him the right to be a prick some others. Maybe to a few guitarists or something, but not his wife, or anybody else thats not in the music business!! And all we see of him is the bad, well except for his playing, but maybe he had a reason to be a prick. You know the media can do that to people. Maybe hes really not like all that media bull. Maybe hes a really nice guy who has a short temper, and people like to piss him off!!
Posted by: FretDancer69 Jun 22 2007, 02:36 AM
QUOTE (Ryan @ Jun 21 2007, 03:13 PM) 
But even though he has amazing skills at the guitar. That still doesnt give him the right to be a prick some others. Maybe to a few guitarists or something, but not his wife, or anybody else thats not in the music business!! And all we see of him is the bad, well except for his playing, but maybe he had a reason to be a prick. You know the media can do that to people. Maybe hes really not like all that media bull. Maybe hes a really nice guy who has a short temper, and people like to piss him off!!
in his biography it says that he was a prick at childhood too, and that was another reason why he was dropped of the school.
Posted by: Miguel_Sanchez Jun 22 2007, 02:38 AM
i've met him at a few NAMM shows... the guy is truly an asshole... there's no getting around that
Posted by: Ryan Jun 22 2007, 04:03 AM
Ok maybe so, but o well people are like that. But we dont want him to be our friends do we? I think we jsut want him to keep playing guitar!!! So i dont think being a prick really matters!!
Posted by: FretDancer69 Jun 22 2007, 04:50 AM
QUOTE (Ryan @ Jun 21 2007, 09:03 PM)
Ok maybe so, but o well people are like that. But we dont want him to be our friends do we? I think we jsut want him to keep playing guitar!!! So i dont think being a prick really matters!!
lol, u really love him dont u
Posted by: Ryan Jun 22 2007, 08:18 AM
QUOTE (FretDancer69 @ Jun 21 2007, 10:50 PM)
lol, u really love him dont u
Yeah haha, but hes not the only one. Andy Timmons, a little bit of satch, and Vai, and alos a little bit of Rusty Cooley, but its mostly Yngwie in 1st, Paul Gilbert in 2nd, and Andy in 3rd, hmm well andy and Paul are tied really. But Ynwgie i believe would whoop them all.
Posted by: Pavel Jun 22 2007, 08:35 AM
Rusty can kick Yngwie's ass all the way and he is still not a prick. Rusty in my opinion is the coolest shredder out there. He has monster skills comparing to Malmsteen and other so called "shredders" and he is still a very nice guy!! That's how it should be!
Posted by: mattacuk Jun 22 2007, 08:58 AM
You know guys, Music isnt just about who can kick whos ass!! Or even who is best, to me its about who inspires 
Posted by: Robin Jun 22 2007, 09:11 AM
Sure he is a good player, but I dont like the guy and I HATE his music.
Posted by: Fsgdjv Jun 22 2007, 11:42 AM
QUOTE (Robin @ Jun 22 2007, 10:11 AM)
Sure he is a good player, but I dont like the guy and I HATE his music.
*Stands in line behind Robin*
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jun 22 2007, 02:56 PM
QUOTE (mattacuk @ Jun 22 2007, 03:58 AM)
You know guys, Music isnt just about who can kick whos ass!! Or even who is best, to me its about who inspires
Or even who is best, to me its about who inspires I'm with Matt!
Posted by: Pavel Jun 22 2007, 03:00 PM
Rusty inspires me, Yngwie - NOT!
Posted by: ezravdb Jun 22 2007, 03:26 PM
I cant descibe how much Yngwie inspires me.
Posted by: MickeM Jun 22 2007, 03:30 PM
Yngwie inspired Rusty
Posted by: Pavel Jun 22 2007, 03:38 PM
QUOTE (MickeM @ Jun 22 2007, 04:30 PM)
Yngwie inspired Rusty
So? He was not THE ONLY influence. Shawn Lane was much bigger influence for Rusty than Yngwie.
But anyway....Rusty is one level higher than Yngwie. And that's totally natural as playing skills increase with every upcoming generation of players.
Posted by: MickeM Jun 22 2007, 04:25 PM
QUOTE (Pavel @ Jun 22 2007, 04:38 PM)
So? He was not THE ONLY influence. Shawn Lane was much bigger influence for Rusty than Yngwie.
But anyway....Rusty is one level higher than Yngwie. And that's totally natural as playing skills increase with every upcoming generation of players.
But anyway....Rusty is one level higher than Yngwie. And that's totally natural as playing skills increase with every upcoming generation of players.
I just listened to bits and pieces from his self entitled album and it's clear Yngwie is a bigger influence for Rusty than Shawn Lane.
Yngwies sound is far better though in my taste.
Posted by: Pavel Jun 22 2007, 04:58 PM
QUOTE (MickeM @ Jun 22 2007, 05:25 PM)
I just listened to bits and pieces from his self entitled album and it's clear Yngwie is a bigger influence for Rusty than Shawn Lane.
Yngwies sound is far better though in my taste.
Yngwies sound is far better though in my taste.
I am listening to that album every day and honestly i don't see one thing of Yngwie's playing there. I DID listen to Yngwies albums and i have some of his live concerts and i still can't connect Rusty and Yngwie by their playing or music.
And concerning sound: listen to Outworld to hear the real Rusty's sound. The self entitled album was recorded in his room with almost no recording equipment so you can't judge about his sound based on that.
Posted by: Ryan Jun 22 2007, 05:41 PM
Yea music is about who inspires you, but guys come on. I dont know how to put this. We all know that, and it isnt about who can beat who. YNGWIE WINS, but its still fun guys. Break loose a little and dont "be" gay.
P.S. I put the "" there to show, that im not calling anybody names!!
Edit: And also note, that its not an arguement. Its a debate
Posted by: ezravdb Jun 22 2007, 06:08 PM
QUOTE (Ryan @ Jun 22 2007, 06:41 PM)
Yea music is about who inspires you, but guys come on. I dont know how to put this. We all know that, and it isnt about who can beat who. YNGWIE WINS, but its still fun guys. Break loose a little and dont "be" gay.
P.S. I put the "" there to show, that im not calling anybody names!!
Edit: And also note, that its not an arguement. Its a debate
P.S. I put the "" there to show, that im not calling anybody names!!
Edit: And also note, that its not an arguement. Its a debate
ME AGREES
Posted by: Ryan Jun 22 2007, 06:21 PM
QUOTE (ezravdb @ Jun 22 2007, 12:08 PM)
ME AGREES
Great
psstt Pavel i have a secret to tell you.
YNGWIE IS THE BEST
Posted by: Pavel Jun 22 2007, 07:29 PM
QUOTE (Ryan @ Jun 22 2007, 07:21 PM)
Great
psstt Pavel i have a secret to tell you.
YNGWIE IS THE BEST
psstt Pavel i have a secret to tell you.
YNGWIE IS THE BEST
NOT!!!
Posted by: FretDancer69 Jun 22 2007, 07:47 PM
lol...this is an interesting fight, i mean topic. Well i prefer Yngwie over Rusty, i like Yngwie's music more, it inspires me alot (althogh im not interested in shredding),i love his neoclassical playing.
Posted by: lespaulrocker Jun 22 2007, 07:56 PM
pavel, you must really hate yngwie , i personally like them both, but they are both different! Both their technique is fawless, but they play different music!
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jun 22 2007, 08:06 PM
Hehe this kind Yngwie discussion is classic and timeless, here are my two cents...
Pros - original style (at the time, that is), possibly one of the best rock vibratos, inspiring guitarist
Cons - Occasional prick (especially in situations where he seems a little unsure - this is my thesis but I am sure psychatrists can back this up). Also, Yngwie stays, after God knows how many years and albums, very close to his original style - some might consider this a "con".
And - if we are speaking in technical terms (bpm!) Yngwie is beaten over and over again by younger (and older) shredders. This is neither a con nor a pro, of course!
Posted by: FretDancer69 Jun 22 2007, 08:10 PM
QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jun 22 2007, 01:06 PM)
Hehe this kind Yngwie discussion is classic and timeless, here are my two cents...
Pros - original style (at the time, that is), possibly one of the best rock vibratos, inspiring guitarist
Cons - Occasional prick (especially in situations where he seems a little unsure - this is my thesis but I am sure psychatrists can back this up). Also, Yngwie stays, after God knows how many years and albums, very close to his original style - some might consider this a "con".
And - if we are speaking in technical terms (bpm!) Yngwie is beaten over and over again by younger (and older) shredders. This is neither a con nor a pro, of course!
Pros - original style (at the time, that is), possibly one of the best rock vibratos, inspiring guitarist
Cons - Occasional prick (especially in situations where he seems a little unsure - this is my thesis but I am sure psychatrists can back this up). Also, Yngwie stays, after God knows how many years and albums, very close to his original style - some might consider this a "con".
And - if we are speaking in technical terms (bpm!) Yngwie is beaten over and over again by younger (and older) shredders. This is neither a con nor a pro, of course!
well said kris. Although what people say about keeping his style over the years its a good thing for me.
Anyways, here is the Yngwie Malmsteen Regime.
Its a regime that we, guitarists must follow from now on:P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnSo0Qa_cA0
(really, be sure to check it out, its hilarious)
Posted by: Ryan Jun 22 2007, 08:14 PM
YNGWIE IS AWESOME. He might be a prick, but can anybody here play like him??? Exactly . He still presents us with great music. So he's not a total prick
Posted by: Resurrection Jun 22 2007, 09:02 PM
Seems like Yngwie is still dividing opinions - no change there then! He was the first shred guitarist I ever listened to, and I thought he was tremendous when I first heard him. I have to say that my enthusiasm faded after "Odyssey", partly because my own musical tastes had moved on and partly because I felt that Yngwie had stopped pushing musical boundaries. His technique is spectacular, but his music doesn't speak to me anymore.
Posted by: Ryan Jun 22 2007, 09:04 PM
QUOTE (Resurrection @ Jun 22 2007, 03:02 PM)
Seems like Yngwie is still dividing opinions - no change there then! He was the first shred guitarist I ever listened to, and I thought he was tremendous when I first heard him. I have to say that my enthusiasm faded after "Odyssey", partly because my own musical tastes had moved on and partly because I felt that Yngwie had stopped pushing musical boundaries. His technique is spectacular, but his music doesn't speak to me anymore.
It happens. For better or worse. It happens
Posted by: MickeM Jun 23 2007, 12:54 AM
QUOTE (Pavel @ Jun 22 2007, 05:58 PM)
I am listening to that album every day and honestly i don't see one thing of Yngwie's playing there.
Yeah, probably you hear to much of Rusty in it because that's what you listen to (more than Yngwie).
I listen to Yngwie a lot and almost never to Rusty and I spot Yngwie in it immediately.
BUT... That's not a bad thing, I've listened to his self entitled album a bit more and rather get to like it. Spite the bad recording equipment as you said, the playing is, of course, great.
I will try to pick up a few more of his albums.
Yngwie will always be Yngwie. That says a lot.
Rust will always be rusty, today that's not a whole deal, but in 10 years from now, that might mean something. Since I don't have any personlay hate/love relation to any of them I hope they will both rule in 2017
EDIT: Yngwie is where he's at because he introduced something special. So did Rusty, not musically but rather in tremendos speed.
Posted by: FretDancer69 Jun 23 2007, 03:37 AM
QUOTE (MickeM @ Jun 22 2007, 05:54 PM)
Yeah, probably you hear to much of Rusty in it because that's what you listen to (more than Yngwie).
I listen to Yngwie a lot and almost never to Rusty and I spot Yngwie in it immediately.
BUT... That's not a bad thing, I've listened to his self entitled album a bit more and rather get to like it. Spite the bad recording equipment as you said, the playing is, of course, great.
I will try to pick up a few more of his albums.
Yngwie will always be Yngwie. That says a lot.
Rust will always be rusty, today that's not a whole deal, but in 10 years from now, that might mean something. Since I don't have any personlay hate/love relation to any of them I hope they will both rule in 2017
EDIT: Yngwie is where he's at because he introduced something special. So did Rusty, not musically but rather in tremendos speed.
I listen to Yngwie a lot and almost never to Rusty and I spot Yngwie in it immediately.
BUT... That's not a bad thing, I've listened to his self entitled album a bit more and rather get to like it. Spite the bad recording equipment as you said, the playing is, of course, great.
I will try to pick up a few more of his albums.
Yngwie will always be Yngwie. That says a lot.
Rust will always be rusty, today that's not a whole deal, but in 10 years from now, that might mean something. Since I don't have any personlay hate/love relation to any of them I hope they will both rule in 2017
EDIT: Yngwie is where he's at because he introduced something special. So did Rusty, not musically but rather in tremendos speed.
i gotta agree with MickeM.
Also, just letting you know guys, ill be checking if the Malmsteem Regime is followed correctly(
) in every thread/replies made( 
). I think Kris should make an Anouncement to let the newcomers know how the Regime works.Thank you.
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jun 23 2007, 05:44 PM
QUOTE (Ryan @ Jun 22 2007, 06:41 PM)
Yea music is about who inspires you, but guys come on. I dont know how to put this. We all know that, and it isnt about who can beat who. YNGWIE WINS, but its still fun guys. Break loose a little and dont "be" gay.
P.S. I put the "" there to show, that im not calling anybody names!!
Edit: And also note, that its not an arguement. Its a debate
P.S. I put the "" there to show, that im not calling anybody names!!
Edit: And also note, that its not an arguement. Its a debate
Do you mean that no one can beat the musical experience that you get by listening to Yngwie? If so, then it is a personal statement and also very useful to you – because it allows you to isolate one guitar style which you just have to learn! (+ we have quite some lessons covering it).
Do you perhaps mean that Yngwie can’t be beaten technique-wise? I will have disagree, as there are lots of known (and unknown) guitarist who obviously play a lot higher bpm:s than Yngwie.
Or do you perhaps mean that if there were people who were as good as Yngwie – then Yngwie wouldn’t be the biggest name in shred? This leads us to another interesting topic: what is the difference between a successful career and originality/quality of musicianship?
In spite of discussions like these – most people would agree that Yngwie has both, a successful career can be measured in numbers, and being the inventor of neoclassical-shred-guitar playing should qualify Yngwie for number two as well.
So what’s up with this? Well if you want to be like Yngwie – you have to determine whether you want to have
A - a carrer as successful as his, or if you want to become
B - an original musician like him. Or perhaps you just want to
C - clone his sound, licks and songs.
If you are like me – only interested in the artistic challenges of music – then my personal conviction is that nothing beats bedroom guitaring (with a little help from sites like gmc!).
Now if you want to go for A, a successful career – bedroom guitaring stinks. Instead, work on your social skills and build a personal network consisting record label ceo:s or whatever (not quite sure of the titles here). OR you could do like gmc instructors – find some way of exposing your guitar playing to thousands of people every day (this would be quite a hassle without the internet I might add).
You still need tons of skills, quality and originality in order to sell (= appeal to people/buyers) – of course. Fortunately for some mtv artists, it doesn’t necessarily have to apply to your music (sometimes the haircut will do). My point is that you need something that sets you apart from your neighbour, again - that sells.
Back to Yngwie – let’s say you want to go for C. No problemos – you have found gmc, now find lots of time and practice motivation - and you have got it. Chances are, if you don’t loose lots of time touring and drinking beer like Yngwie does, that you probably are going to play even better than him.
IMPORTANT: This will ABSOLUTELY NOT lead to A or B.
If you want to achieve B – then you are probably better of not leraning any Yngwie licks at all, as he is one of the most cloned guitarists in history. Avoiding this was actually a conscious decision I made when starting out.
The recipe for originality to me, is pretty simple: combine styles that are polar opposite, that haven’t been combined before (which is just what Yngwie did: Bach + metal). And if people treat you like a freak, you know you are on the right path.
So – think about what your goals are, and make sure to not follow an illusion. Instead, analyse what/how others have done before you – and make a conscious decision.
Playing like Yngwie is easy, when there already is an Yngwie. Playing like Yngwie before there ever was an Yngwie…required Yngwie!
Kris
Posted by: Ryan Jun 23 2007, 06:01 PM
QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jun 23 2007, 11:44 AM)
Do you mean that no one can beat the musical experience that you get by listening to Yngwie? If so, then it is a personal statement and also very useful to you – because it allows you to isolate one guitar style which you just have to learn! (+ we have quite some lessons covering it).
Do you perhaps mean that Yngwie can’t be beaten technique-wise? I will have disagree, as there are lots of known (and unknown) guitarist who obviously play a lot higher bpm:s than Yngwie.
Or do you perhaps mean that if there were people who were as good as Yngwie – then Yngwie wouldn’t be the biggest name in shred? This leads us to another interesting topic: what is the difference between a successful career and originality/quality of musicianship?
In spite of discussions like these – most people would agree that Yngwie has both, a successful career can be measured in numbers, and being the inventor of neoclassical-shred-guitar playing should qualify Yngwie for number two as well.
So what’s up with this? Well if you want to be like Yngwie – you have to determine whether you want to have
(A) a carrer as successful as his, or if you want to become
( an original musician like him. Or perhaps you just want to
© clone his sound, licks and songs.
If you are like me – only interested in the artistic challenges of music – then my personal conviction is that nothing beats bedroom guitaring (with a little help from sites like gmc!).
Now if you want to go for (A), a successful career – bedroom guitaring stinks. Instead, work on your social skills and build a personal network consisting record label ceo:s or whatever (not quite sure of the titles here). OR you could do like gmc instructors – find some way of exposing your guitar playing to thousands of people every day (this would be quite a hassle without the internet I might add).
You still need tons of skills, quality and originality in order to sell (= appeal to people/buyers) – of course. Fortunately for some mtv artists, it doesn’t necessarily have to apply to your music (sometimes the haircut will do). My point is that you need something that sets you apart from your neighbour, again - that sells.
Back to Yngwie – let’s say you want to go for ©. No problemos – you have found gmc, now find lots of time and practice motivation - and you have got it. Chances are, if you don’t loose lots of time touring and drinking beer like Yngwie does, that you probably are going to play even better than him.
IMPORTANT: This will ABSOLUTELY NOT lead to (A) or (.
If you want to achieve ( – then you are probably better of not leraning any Yngwie licks at all, as he is one of the most cloned guitarists in history. Avoiding this was actually a conscious decision I made when starting out.
The recipe for originality to me, is pretty simple: combine styles that are polar opposite, that haven’t been combined before (which is just what Yngwie did: Bach + metal). And if people treat you like a freak, you know you are on the right path.
So – think about what your goals are, and make sure to not follow an illusion. Instead, analyse what/how others have done before you – and make a conscious decision.
Playing like Yngwie is easy, when there already is an Yngwie. Playing like Yngwie before there ever was an Yngwie…required an Yngwie!
Kris
Do you perhaps mean that Yngwie can’t be beaten technique-wise? I will have disagree, as there are lots of known (and unknown) guitarist who obviously play a lot higher bpm:s than Yngwie.
Or do you perhaps mean that if there were people who were as good as Yngwie – then Yngwie wouldn’t be the biggest name in shred? This leads us to another interesting topic: what is the difference between a successful career and originality/quality of musicianship?
In spite of discussions like these – most people would agree that Yngwie has both, a successful career can be measured in numbers, and being the inventor of neoclassical-shred-guitar playing should qualify Yngwie for number two as well.
So what’s up with this? Well if you want to be like Yngwie – you have to determine whether you want to have
(A) a carrer as successful as his, or if you want to become
(
an original musician like him. Or perhaps you just want to © clone his sound, licks and songs.
If you are like me – only interested in the artistic challenges of music – then my personal conviction is that nothing beats bedroom guitaring (with a little help from sites like gmc!).
Now if you want to go for (A), a successful career – bedroom guitaring stinks. Instead, work on your social skills and build a personal network consisting record label ceo:s or whatever (not quite sure of the titles here). OR you could do like gmc instructors – find some way of exposing your guitar playing to thousands of people every day (this would be quite a hassle without the internet I might add).
You still need tons of skills, quality and originality in order to sell (= appeal to people/buyers) – of course. Fortunately for some mtv artists, it doesn’t necessarily have to apply to your music (sometimes the haircut will do). My point is that you need something that sets you apart from your neighbour, again - that sells.
Back to Yngwie – let’s say you want to go for ©. No problemos – you have found gmc, now find lots of time and practice motivation - and you have got it. Chances are, if you don’t loose lots of time touring and drinking beer like Yngwie does, that you probably are going to play even better than him.
IMPORTANT: This will ABSOLUTELY NOT lead to (A) or (
.If you want to achieve (
– then you are probably better of not leraning any Yngwie licks at all, as he is one of the most cloned guitarists in history. Avoiding this was actually a conscious decision I made when starting out.The recipe for originality to me, is pretty simple: combine styles that are polar opposite, that haven’t been combined before (which is just what Yngwie did: Bach + metal). And if people treat you like a freak, you know you are on the right path.
So – think about what your goals are, and make sure to not follow an illusion. Instead, analyse what/how others have done before you – and make a conscious decision.
Playing like Yngwie is easy, when there already is an Yngwie. Playing like Yngwie before there ever was an Yngwie…required an Yngwie!
Kris
Oh see, I want to take my guitaring somewhere in life. Maybe just be instructor or just try to make it big, but yoru right nothing beats bedroom guitaring
, I love doing that. I will always bedroom guitar, but im gonna try to do other things iwth guitar also. And cloning Yngwie NEVER. I love orginality, and people being unqiue. Thats what im all about. Learning his licks and everything. Sure why not, but play just like him NO WAY. I shall not do that to anybody.Now learning there lessons on GMC is different. Im not cloning them when learning there "In the Style of" Lessons. Im just practicing to become a better guitarist thats all . Imitating people is one of the worst things you can do as a guitarist I think.And for Yngwie's skill, well i dont know if hes better than everybody, but i do think hes the techinical!!
For me hes an amazing player one of the best. Not saying he is better in skill than Rusty, but He just sounds better to me!!!
Edit: did i just contricdict myself right there
????
Posted by: fkalich Jun 23 2007, 08:35 PM
1) He is one of the world's most skilled guitarists.
2) He might be a nicer guy if you got to know him (often that is the case with people).
3) Only thing i have against him is that he dresses like the 3rd Doctor Who.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q51v47rOIk
Posted by: Ryan Jun 23 2007, 08:51 PM
QUOTE (fkalich @ Jun 23 2007, 02:35 PM)
1) He is one of the world's most skilled guitarists.
2) He might be a nicer guy if you got to know him (often that is the case with people).
3) Only thing i have against him is that he dresses like the 3rd Doctor Who.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q51v47rOIk
2) He might be a nicer guy if you got to know him (often that is the case with people).
3) Only thing i have against him is that he dresses like the 3rd Doctor Who.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q51v47rOIk
Hahahaha the 3rd doctor who haha nice one!!
Posted by: The JEM Jun 25 2007, 02:51 AM
i never knew my post would make this big of an argument
Posted by: FretDancer69 Jun 25 2007, 04:14 AM
lol, same here, but look now, its been a great disscussion, but it seems that it has cooled down a bit, it must because of the new Regime.
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