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Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 15 2009, 04:51 PM

Hello guys,

This is the thread for uploads and comments,

Daniel

Posted by: jafomatic Nov 15 2009, 08:03 PM

Well usually I hold my takes back and release them later after some contemplation. Today, however, I feel compelled to post early. So! If these aren't dreamy enough, just let me know and I can head back to the drawing board.

1. simple (probably the most friendly for mixing)
 DRDBOT_jafo_full.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 230

 DRDBOT_jafo_solo.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 191


2. slightly strange (just slightly)
 DRDBOT_jafo_strange_full.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 230

 DRDBOT_jafo_strange_solo.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 187



Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 16 2009, 04:18 PM

QUOTE (jafomatic @ Nov 15 2009, 08:03 PM) *
Well usually I hold my takes back and release them later after some contemplation. Today, however, I feel compelled to post early. So! If these aren't dreamy enough, just let me know and I can head back to the drawing board.

1. simple (probably the most friendly for mixing)
 DRDBOT_jafo_full.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 230

 DRDBOT_jafo_solo.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 191


Hi Jafomatic,

I actually didn't expect something like what you did, nice job!

I like your tone and the intention on the bends,

There's a couple of things mix wise though: Did you apply some type of compression to the track? the volume fluctuates a lot,

Another detail is to have the delay at the end fade out, these things are good to have in mind,


2. slightly strange (just slightly)
 DRDBOT_jafo_strange_full.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 230

 DRDBOT_jafo_strange_solo.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 187


I think I like this one better, has more character, I love the delay! the ending idea is very dreamy! tongue.gif

very good job!

Try turning down the backing track volume in your DAW and putting your solo on top of it, it doesn't matter if the overall volume is not too loud. In the final mix, I'll leave all the solos at the same volume.





Posted by: jafomatic Nov 16 2009, 04:21 PM

All right, I'll re-mix the second version, the one with two guitar tracks, and figure out what's going on with the level changes. My usual setup doesn't do that at render or playback.

I'm glad you liked the take! smile.gif

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 16 2009, 04:26 PM

QUOTE (jafomatic @ Nov 16 2009, 04:21 PM) *
All right, I'll re-mix the second version, the one with two guitar tracks, and figure out what's going on with the level changes. My usual setup doesn't do that at render or playback.

I'm glad you liked the take! smile.gif


It's probably because I used a limiter at the end, this is a mastering process, so it sounds loud. But yeah, just try doing what I told you and hopefully it won't be a problem


Posted by: jafomatic Nov 16 2009, 04:39 PM

Actually, it could also be that my multiband limit/comp/gate weren't set properly. Let's try like this:

 DRDBOT_jafo_str02_full.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 189

 DRDBOT_jafo_str02_solo.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 200


Those should be only adjusted for loudness. I'll see if I can fix the delay not fading itself out. That may have its level unintentionally raised by compression on my track but I didn't worry about it since you'd trim that anyway. Shall I trim instead?

Posted by: Neurologi Nov 16 2009, 05:11 PM

Well I am making progress with a sound that gels better with the backing track. I lost track of time and was jamming over it looped till ... ummm ... 7am .... Since we have some creative license I am gonna experiment next with some non-guitar effects to up the "dreamy" factor.

By the way, I can't get that tune out of my head. Perhaps some "Sublimal Sub-conscious Reprogramming Techniques" you are using on our sensitive souls? tongue.gif

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 16 2009, 05:30 PM

QUOTE (jafomatic @ Nov 16 2009, 04:39 PM) *
Actually, it could also be that my multiband limit/comp/gate weren't set properly. Let's try like this:

 DRDBOT_jafo_str02_full.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 189

 DRDBOT_jafo_str02_solo.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 200


Those should be only adjusted for loudness. I'll see if I can fix the delay not fading itself out. That may have its level unintentionally raised by compression on my track but I didn't worry about it since you'd trim that anyway. Shall I trim instead?


ok, I see what's happening, yeah the compression is keeping the delay to fade by itself,

why do you use the compression on the track anyway? I'll trim it if you want but I'm just saying these things so that you'll be conscious of them,

I like the repetitive pattern you use, a good idea would be to break it in the last part. I mean it sounds good as it is, but it might gave it a feel of completeness,

QUOTE (Neurologi @ Nov 16 2009, 05:11 PM) *
Well I am making progress with a sound that gels better with the backing track. I lost track of time and was jamming over it looped till ... ummm ... 7am .... Since we have some creative license I am gonna experiment next with some non-guitar effects to up the "dreamy" factor.

By the way, I can't get that tune out of my head. Perhaps some "Sublimal Sub-conscious Reprogramming Techniques" you are using on our sensitive souls? tongue.gif


Oh you caught me! this is why I came to GMC, to reprogram all your minds to follow the new world order, through guitar collabs, biggrin.gif

If you repeat anything over and over, it will stick in your head. Yesterday I had this Ozzy song in my head, I just took the guitar and played it, and now it's gone. Good advice if you are in the same situation,


QUOTE (jafomatic @ Nov 16 2009, 04:39 PM) *
Actually, it could also be that my multiband limit/comp/gate weren't set properly. Let's try like this:

 DRDBOT_jafo_str02_full.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 189

 DRDBOT_jafo_str02_solo.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 200


Those should be only adjusted for loudness. I'll see if I can fix the delay not fading itself out. That may have its level unintentionally raised by compression on my track but I didn't worry about it since you'd trim that anyway. Shall I trim instead?


also try sending it with no comp, multiband limiting, cause I already did this process in the backing track, that's what's probably conflicting,

Posted by: jafomatic Nov 16 2009, 05:47 PM

The arrangement (your track) redlines when I turn off the limiter. I also forced my left/right tracks to fade out smoothly together.

Regarding the pattern, I fall off the groove around the last 4 bars. That should also break the pattern, I think, but maybe it wasn't clear with both tracks competing for attention.

This never sounds as good to me without some push. Maybe it's my headphones, they're big but NOT serious studio monitors. Students (and a couple instructors) have come to ask me how I get this big sound, or how I mic my amp (I don't even HAVE an amp!) so I think the sound can't be all bad. The flip side is that all the guys with audio engineering experience & education insist that it's over compressed? It's a little frustrating smile.gif

Okay, so: it's not bad with everything turned off, but it doesn't sound warm and full anymore:

 DRDBOT_jafo_str03_full.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 201

 DRDBOT_jafo_str03_solo.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 171


edit: attached the actual solo track.

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 16 2009, 05:57 PM

QUOTE (jafomatic @ Nov 16 2009, 05:47 PM) *
The arrangement (your track) redlines when I turn off the limiter. I also forced my left/right tracks to fade out smoothly together.

Regarding the pattern, I fall off the groove around the last 4 bars. That should also break the pattern, I think, but maybe it wasn't clear with both tracks competing for attention.

This never sounds as good to me without some push. Maybe it's my headphones, they're big but NOT serious studio monitors. Students (and a couple instructors) have come to ask me how I get this big sound, or how I mic my amp (I don't even HAVE an amp!) so I think the sound can't be all bad. The flip side is that all the guys with audio engineering experience & education insist that it's over compressed? It's a little frustrating smile.gif

Okay, so: it's not bad with everything turned off, but it doesn't sound warm and full anymore:

 DRDBOT_jafo_str03_full.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 201

 DRDBOT_jafo_str03_solo.mp3 ( 1.39MB ) : 171


edit: attached the actual solo track.


Yeah I see what's going on, the thing is that the backing track is limited so if you added a little bit of anything it's gonna clip, so you have to turn down the backing track a lot, mix it with your solo and then limit it a bit, just to have it louder but this is not necessary, I can do that in the final mix,

probably is not a good idea to have the backing track limited I guess, I'm gonna ask another instructor about this,



Posted by: jafomatic Nov 16 2009, 05:59 PM

QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Nov 16 2009, 10:57 AM) *
probably is not a good idea to have the backing track limited I guess, I'm gonna ask another instructor about this,


I think it's okay, it looks like I had your track bumped +1.1db originally (with all the stuff turned on). Once I took yours back to 0db it seems okay.

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 16 2009, 07:01 PM

QUOTE (jafomatic @ Nov 16 2009, 05:59 PM) *
I think it's okay, it looks like I had your track bumped +1.1db originally (with all the stuff turned on). Once I took yours back to 0db it seems okay.


all right, thanks!

Posted by: Keilnoth Nov 16 2009, 09:42 PM

@jafo, I love your tone and your take, very dreamy and melodic ! smile.gif

My try :

 Dreamy_Ballad_Oddtime_Collaboration_NB.mp3 ( 608.6K ) : 205


 Dreamy_Ballad_Oddtime_Collaboration.mp3 ( 608.6K ) : 225


Ibbie RG270 + POD 2.0 + Ableton + ReCabinet and a bit of EQ.

Not sure it's 5/8 whatever tempo, sorry. tongue.gif

Posted by: Toroso Nov 16 2009, 10:09 PM

Good takes guys! This odd time is throwing me for a loop. huh.gif

Posted by: Neurologi Nov 16 2009, 10:22 PM

QUOTE (Keilnoth @ Nov 16 2009, 10:42 PM) *
Not sure it's 5/8 whatever tempo, sorry. tongue.gif

I seem to find it matches same tempo but at 5/4 ... biggrin.gif

Posted by: jafomatic Nov 16 2009, 10:39 PM

I got the track matched up on the measures in the DAW at 5/5, but I've always been a little ignorant of rhythm outside of "just playing on time"

To get past the oddness of the beat, Daniel has provided us with that nice count in measure(s). If you select JUST that section (2 bars in my DAW, but perhaps 1 bar of 5/8?) and loop JUST that section you can jam for a while on that, without the backing, until you get used to phrasing along with the accents within the drums there.

Posted by: Neurologi Nov 16 2009, 10:49 PM

At 5/4 I get a two bar pre-count like Jaf. It may well be then a 10/8 time signature if it was a one bar pre-count. Some help please Daniel. It would help me to sync up the delay times via MIDI on the G-Major better. At the moment, I am probably synced at a half-time feel which for this piece may not be such a bad thing ...

I don't know. I am confused. It still seems to match anyways and maybe that is all that matters?

Posted by: Toroso Nov 16 2009, 10:49 PM

QUOTE (jafomatic @ Nov 16 2009, 04:39 PM) *
To get past the oddness of the beat, Daniel has provided us with that nice count in measure(s). If you select JUST that section (2 bars in my DAW, but perhaps 1 bar of 5/8?) and loop JUST that section you can jam for a while on that, without the backing, until you get used to phrasing along with the accents within the drums there.


Good idea! I'll play around with that tonight.

Posted by: jafomatic Nov 16 2009, 10:54 PM

QUOTE (Neurologi @ Nov 16 2009, 03:49 PM) *
At 5/4 I get a two bar pre-count like Jaf. It may well be then a 10/8 time signature if it was a one bar pre-count. Some help please Daniel. It would help me to sync up the delay times via MIDI on the G-Major better. At the moment, I am probably synced at a half-time feel which for this piece may not be such a bad thing ...


Whole notes at 148 bpm should be equal. The only "odd" divisions occur at fractions of the measure. So, at 148bpm, whole note of delay comes to 1622ms. The division beyond that should be simple enough.

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 16 2009, 11:02 PM

QUOTE (Keilnoth @ Nov 16 2009, 09:42 PM) *
@jafo, I love your tone and your take, very dreamy and melodic ! smile.gif

My try :

 Dreamy_Ballad_Oddtime_Collaboration_NB.mp3 ( 608.6K ) : 205


 Dreamy_Ballad_Oddtime_Collaboration.mp3 ( 608.6K ) : 225


Ibbie RG270 + POD 2.0 + Ableton + ReCabinet and a bit of EQ.

Not sure it's 5/8 whatever tempo, sorry. tongue.gif


Nice pentatonic soloing! I like the pauses you make,

Some notes are a little out of tune,

I'll give you more detailed comments on the final mix thread,



QUOTE (Toroso @ Nov 16 2009, 10:09 PM) *
Good takes guys! This odd time is throwing me for a loop. huh.gif


listen to it without playing and imagine something over it, or sing over it, that'd probably help

QUOTE (Neurologi @ Nov 16 2009, 10:22 PM) *
I seem to find it matches same tempo but at 5/4 ... biggrin.gif


Well, that's subjective, to me the eighth note is the hi-hat pulses at the beginning, so those are two bars of 5/8,

So the fourth note would be counted like: 1 - 2 - and, 1 - 2 - and 1 -...etc.

That's actually what the drums are doing,




Posted by: Neurologi Nov 16 2009, 11:06 PM

Thanks Daniel and Jafomatic. I am over-thinking it. Not the first time! smile.gif

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 16 2009, 11:16 PM

QUOTE (jafomatic @ Nov 16 2009, 10:39 PM) *
I got the track matched up on the measures in the DAW at 5/5, but I've always been a little ignorant of rhythm outside of "just playing on time"

To get past the oddness of the beat, Daniel has provided us with that nice count in measure(s). If you select JUST that section (2 bars in my DAW, but perhaps 1 bar of 5/8?) and loop JUST that section you can jam for a while on that, without the backing, until you get used to phrasing along with the accents within the drums there.


That could help, although the rhythm of the drums has a different grouping that the count-in measures,

That's kind of my bad, but it reinforces the exercise on odd time signatures, so it's good!

the grouping in the count-in is: 1 - 2 - 3 - 1 - 2


While the drums to me are: 1 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 3


Except at the end: 1 - 2 - 3 - 1 - 2




QUOTE (Neurologi @ Nov 16 2009, 10:49 PM) *
At 5/4 I get a two bar pre-count like Jaf. It may well be then a 10/8 time signature if it was a one bar pre-count. Some help please Daniel. It would help me to sync up the delay times via MIDI on the G-Major better. At the moment, I am probably synced at a half-time feel which for this piece may not be such a bad thing ...

I don't know. I am confused. It still seems to match anyways and maybe that is all that matters?


it is all that matters,

all that theory behind odd time signature should help you understand better not confuse you,



QUOTE (jafomatic @ Nov 16 2009, 10:54 PM) *
Whole notes at 148 bpm should be equal. The only "odd" divisions occur at fractions of the measure. So, at 148bpm, whole note of delay comes to 1622ms. The division beyond that should be simple enough.


yeah, well put, if you set your delay at 1622ms then you'd get a bounce at the tempo of the hi hat,

still to me that is an eighth note, smile.gif

Posted by: Keilnoth Nov 17 2009, 08:35 AM

QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Nov 16 2009, 11:02 PM) *
Nice pentatonic soloing! I like the pauses you make,

Some notes are a little out of tune,

I'll give you more detailed comments on the final mix thread,


Any advices to sound less pentatonical ? smile.gif

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 17 2009, 01:25 PM

QUOTE (Keilnoth @ Nov 17 2009, 08:35 AM) *
Any advices to sound less pentatonical ? smile.gif


Use the minor scale to start, a good interval in this case would be E - C


Posted by: NoSkill Nov 17 2009, 03:44 PM

Hi Daniel,

Here's my take with backing and without. I tried to stay in that dreamy sorta haunty mood. I hope it works.

Cheers!

 NoSkill_DanielDreamy_WithBT.mp3 ( 1.57MB ) : 204

 NoSkill_DanielDreamy_NoBT.mp3 ( 1.57MB ) : 174

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 17 2009, 04:31 PM

QUOTE (NoSkill @ Nov 17 2009, 03:44 PM) *
Hi Daniel,

Here's my take with backing and without. I tried to stay in that dreamy sorta haunty mood. I hope it works.

Cheers!

 NoSkill_DanielDreamy_WithBT.mp3 ( 1.57MB ) : 204

 NoSkill_DanielDreamy_NoBT.mp3 ( 1.57MB ) : 174


I see that you had a musical idea in your head before recording, that's a good thing, did you sing it?

I think the haunty mood comes from using that low register and staying in the same area of the guitar. Try moving around more.

good job!

Posted by: NoSkill Nov 17 2009, 06:28 PM

QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Nov 17 2009, 08:31 AM) *
I see that you had a musical idea in your head before recording, that's a good thing, did you sing it?

I think the haunty mood comes from using that low register and staying in the same area of the guitar. Try moving around more.

good job!


Yeah, I stayed in the lower register on purpose. I wanted to play the entire piece on the same string. It was an experiment. I do sing those parts, yes. Muris got me to start doing that. It helps, as I can (poorly) sing what I'm thinking easier than I can play it on the guitar.

I can revisit some higher register stuff if you prefer.

Thanks for the comments!

Cheers!

Posted by: Neurologi Nov 18 2009, 02:24 PM

This is quite the occasion for me. My first GMC Collaboration Upload ever!! tongue.gif I have said it before but I will say it again: I just love this backing track. It has really grown on me. Thank you Daniel.

Here is my take.

 DreamyBallad_NeurO_with_BT.mp3 ( 1.24MB ) : 224

 DreamyBallad_NeurO_Solo.mp3 ( 1.24MB ) : 163


Looking forward to hearing everyone's take and the final mix.




Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 18 2009, 02:34 PM

QUOTE (Neurologi @ Nov 18 2009, 02:24 PM) *
This is quite the occasion for me. My first GMC Collaboration Upload ever!! tongue.gif I have said it before but I will say it again: I just love this backing track. It has really grown on me. Thank you Daniel.

Here is my take.

 DreamyBallad_NeurO_with_BT.mp3 ( 1.24MB ) : 224

 DreamyBallad_NeurO_Solo.mp3 ( 1.24MB ) : 163


Looking forward to hearing everyone's take and the final mix.


wow, nice effect at the end! that little melodic phrase on the delay really made sense to me,

The tone is good, not too bright, very full,

I think your picking is still a little noisy, focus on that,

Posted by: Neurologi Nov 18 2009, 02:58 PM

That is just the way the picks I use are ... smile.gif They bite the strings hard and give a pronounced pick noise. I switched over to using various V-Picks a few months ago and for this I used the Freakishly Large for a fatter tone. Most times I use a lot thinner pick ... the Screamer. I tend to not be light in my picking either which is kinda necessary with the heavier gauge 11-49 strings. So not really sure how I can tone it down? Any ideas?

Glad you like it and thanks for the advice. Appreciate it.

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 18 2009, 04:26 PM

QUOTE (Neurologi @ Nov 18 2009, 02:58 PM) *
That is just the way the picks I use are ... smile.gif They bite the strings hard and give a pronounced pick noise. I switched over to using various V-Picks a few months ago and for this I used the Freakishly Large for a fatter tone. Most times I use a lot thinner pick ... the Screamer. I tend to not be light in my picking either which is kinda necessary with the heavier gauge 11-49 strings. So not really sure how I can tone it down? Any ideas?

Glad you like it and thanks for the advice. Appreciate it.


I'm a fan of picking the strings hard,

it has something to do with the pick and strings but really it's in your hand, tilt the pick just to see where it makes the least noise,


Posted by: Neurologi Nov 18 2009, 10:08 PM

It could be that I don't really hear it on my end as being so prominent since I don't have studio monitors? I use P.A. speakers and a powered mixer fed by the audio interface/sound card. Good for a live band but not really for tracking and mixing ... biggrin.gif I do have studio headphones with a very flat response and seems to sound fine on there using the 112dB Redline Monitor plugin on the master outs as a check which gives some kind of reference when using headphones. Of course, appropriate speakers would be better. That is next on my shopping list.

[EDIT] >> Actually, maybe they aren't so bad? The specs on the P.A. speakers say they have a frequency response of 60Hz-16kHz (-3dB) & 55Hz-18kHz (-10dB) so I am losing some definition at the high end. Although, that is probably where pick noise sits. They are built like bricks though at 25kg a piece pushing 200W RMS!!! tongue.gif

Still plan on getting some studio monitors to complement them in the near future. It is always a good idea to hear a mix on various systems anyway.

Posted by: Hammerhead Nov 21 2009, 04:47 PM

Great takes so far... I like the range of sounds. I want to try to earn the points...but I'll have to submit another take for that, this is pretty straight forward. Here is mine cool.gif .

 dreamy8_ballad_consolidated_consolidated.mp3 ( 720.79K ) : 204
 dreamy8_NBCballad_consolidated_consolidated.mp3 ( 720.79K ) : 159
 

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 21 2009, 10:46 PM

QUOTE (Hammerhead @ Nov 21 2009, 04:47 PM) *
Great takes so far... I like the range of sounds. I want to try to earn the points...but I'll have to submit another take for that, this is pretty straight forward. Here is mine cool.gif .


good job Hammerhead,

I would encourage you to risk more, doing some vibrato, sliding,



QUOTE (Neurologi @ Nov 18 2009, 02:58 PM) *
I tend to not be light in my picking either which is kinda necessary with the heavier gauge 11-49 strings. So not really sure how I can tone it down? Any ideas?


If you feel like you have to adjust your picking depending on the strings, that's going to make it difficult for you to feel completely comfortable and use the best of your abilities. I recommend that you use the picks that make you feel the most comfortable so that you don't have to think about it, it becomes a part of your fingers almost.

QUOTE (Hammerhead @ Nov 21 2009, 04:47 PM) *
Great takes so far... I like the range of sounds. I want to try to earn the points...but I'll have to submit another take for that, this is pretty straight forward. Here is mine cool.gif .


I just imported your solo in my DAW. Make sure you follow the collaborations guidelines to consolidate the solos. The starting point must be an exact bar line so that it's in perfect sync with the backing track when importing it. In this case the exact bar line would be the first hihat hit.

smile.gif



Posted by: Neurologi Nov 22 2009, 12:43 AM

QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Nov 21 2009, 11:46 PM) *
If you feel like you have to adjust your picking depending on the strings, that's going to make it difficult for you to feel completely comfortable and use the best of your abilities. I recommend that you use the picks that make you feel the most comfortable so that you don't have to think about it, it becomes a part of your fingers almost.

Exactly. I have tried using other picks but I so much like the feel, playability and tone of the thicker picks and thicker gauge strings. It feels just right. An extension of my hand.

As you said before already, it is all in the fingers, there is no other explanation for it as I have pretty much tried everything else to try to cure the pick noise woes. It is just difficult for me to separate the noise from the playing. It is more than just a little distracting. I was aware of it before but even more so now. I chalk it up to just experience and practise. I need more of it! smile.gif

Unfortunately, it seems, I can't think my way out of this one. I have made so many changes to pretty much everything in the last few months that it is bound to take time for the brain and fingers to catch up. Frustrated? For sure.

Posted by: Hammerhead Nov 22 2009, 06:06 AM





good job Hammerhead,

I would encourage you to risk more, doing some vibrato, sliding,


I just imported your solo in my DAW. Make sure you follow the collaborations guidelines to consolidate the solos. The starting point must be an exact bar line so that it's in perfect sync with the backing track when importing it. In this case the exact bar line would be the first hihat hit.

smile.gif

Daniel,
Thanks! Sorry about the recording... I just read the guidelines... so I'll take your advice and submit another take, and I will take some chances! cool.gif


Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 22 2009, 04:11 PM

QUOTE (Neurologi @ Nov 22 2009, 12:43 AM) *
Frustrated? For sure.


I know how that feels. The best thing you can do is analyse your picking by the smallest possible bits at a time. By that I mean, take a look at when the hand falls, when it hits the string, then when it passes the string, the when it raises again, you know what I mean?

you won't do this for hours but at least you'll do it sometimes to note what's causing some unwanted noise,

and of course be open to change at any time if it requires to hit the strings hard so that you "shake" your old habits do it, or whatever it takes,


Posted by: Hammerhead Nov 22 2009, 05:15 PM

Daniel,
Here is another take and I went for a whole new sound to mix it up. I can also record my last take properly with the Ballad track lined up on the proper beat if you like (not a problem to do). I took more chances here and it felt good. I think I might mix it up one more take and shoot for a completely new sound again. It felt like I had to stretch to rethink my relationship to the music. At first I wasn't sure I could do it... then Bam! I could hear the new music, (in my head) with the same backing track. cool.gif

 DreamyBallad_2.mp3 ( 708.57K ) : 148
 DreamyBallad_2NBT.mp3 ( 708.57K ) : 126
 

Posted by: Neurologi Nov 22 2009, 06:21 PM

QUOTE (Hammerhead @ Nov 22 2009, 06:15 PM) *
Here is another take and I went for a whole new sound to mix it up. I can also record my last take properly with the Ballad track lined up on the proper beat if you like (not a problem to do). I took more chances here and it felt good. I think I might mix it up one more take and shoot for a completely new sound again. It felt like I had to stretch to rethink my relationship to the music. At first I wasn't sure I could do it... then Bam! I could hear the new music, (in my head) with the same backing track. cool.gif

Great job, Hammerhead! Much improved over the last take. Likin' this one a lot man! smile.gif I had exactly the same experience as you. I thought why not? Do something I might not necessarily have done otherwise. Liberating is it, not?

QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Nov 22 2009, 05:11 PM) *
I know how that feels. The best thing you can do is analyse your picking by the smallest possible bits at a time. By that I mean, take a look at when the hand falls, when it hits the string, then when it passes the string, the when it raises again, you know what I mean?

you won't do this for hours but at least you'll do it sometimes to note what's causing some unwanted noise,

and of course be open to change at any time if it requires to hit the strings hard so that you "shake" your old habits do it, or whatever it takes,

I know exactly what you mean. This was kinda inevitable. I did much the same thing analysing my right hand technique, in particular, for flamenco not so long ago. Took me about 2-3 months to get the mechanics down solid for good tone, projection and articulation. Therefore, I expected much the same thing taking up the electric again for the first time in over four years!

It is a little disconcerting though that I can plainly hear the pick noise even when playing simply, deliberately and slowly. It is always there. All the advice I have gleaned from the net points to the fact that I do everything in my power to "enhance" the noise by using high gain, max treble and volume on guitar, thick picks, thick gauge strings, pushed mids and trebles in both amp and DAW, a hard picking style and the list goes on .... Am I doomed?! tongue.gif

[EDIT] >> Speaking of which I may just play Flamenco for a week to take my mind off things ... I have been spending too much time on the electric.

Posted by: skennington Nov 22 2009, 08:12 PM

Let's see if you can figure out where this one took me.. laugh.gif

Edit: Remixed...

 Dreamy_Skenny_NB.mp3 ( 1.45MB ) : 133
 Dreamy_Skenny_WB.mp3 ( 1.45MB ) : 191
 

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 23 2009, 12:31 AM

QUOTE (skennington @ Nov 22 2009, 08:12 PM) *
Let's see if you can figure out where this one took me.. laugh.gif

Edit: Remixed...


biggrin.gif Loved it! very good idea, never thought of it,

smile.gif

QUOTE (Hammerhead @ Nov 22 2009, 05:15 PM) *
Daniel,
Here is another take and I went for a whole new sound to mix it up. I can also record my last take properly with the Ballad track lined up on the proper beat if you like (not a problem to do). I took more chances here and it felt good. I think I might mix it up one more take and shoot for a completely new sound again. It felt like I had to stretch to rethink my relationship to the music. At first I wasn't sure I could do it... then Bam! I could hear the new music, (in my head) with the same backing track. cool.gif


I like this one so much better! great job! I can tell you were a lot more loose on this take, keep searching for that state in your recordings,


Posted by: skennington Nov 23 2009, 12:37 AM

QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Nov 22 2009, 06:31 PM) *
biggrin.gif Loved it! very good idea, never thought of it,

smile.gif


Thanks Daniel. This backing immediately took me to the beach for some reason. The idea behind the recording is of someone standing on a pier, storm approaching and missing a loved one. Sad, I know..but that's the picture I was trying to paint. smile.gif

Posted by: Hammerhead Nov 23 2009, 06:04 AM

Daniel,
Thanks for the kind words! I really enjoy the backing track, I feel like it gives a lot of room to explore cool.gif and yeah it is liberating, and thanks for the fast feedback!

Posted by: maharzan Nov 23 2009, 07:45 AM

Not sure if it fits the dreamy theme here.. but I guess I am just flowing on the beat.. simple notes. smile.gif

Hope you all like it.

 maharzan_dreamy_odd_timing.mp3 ( 1.05MB ) : 205
 

Posted by: Neurologi Nov 23 2009, 07:57 AM

That wouldn't happen to be the Triaxis preset I shared would it? wink.gif I think it fits the mood nicely. Nice work.

Posted by: maharzan Nov 23 2009, 08:21 AM

Thanks. smile.gif

Ah no, I was playing it at random presets.. and just exploring the G-force presets too.. This time I actually went and tried all presets on G-Force. biggrin.gif

I don't have a volume pedal. It would have been great to come up something on a volume pedal.

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 23 2009, 04:23 PM

QUOTE (maharzan @ Nov 23 2009, 07:45 AM) *
Not sure if it fits the dreamy theme here.. but I guess I am just flowing on the beat.. simple notes. smile.gif

Hope you all like it.


Nice agressive bends and tremolo work!

you risked a lot here, good job!

I'll write detailed comments for the final mix,



QUOTE (skennington @ Nov 23 2009, 12:37 AM) *
The idea behind the recording is of someone standing on a pier, storm approaching and missing a loved one. Sad, I know..but that's the picture I was trying to paint. smile.gif


I actually didn't think of a sad picture, but a very peaceful one with your remix,

I'll keep my image biggrin.gif

Posted by: maharzan Nov 23 2009, 05:42 PM

Thanks Daniel.. smile.gif SHould I post the track with no BT also or do you not require that?

Cheers!

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 24 2009, 05:19 PM

QUOTE (maharzan @ Nov 23 2009, 05:42 PM) *
Thanks Daniel.. smile.gif SHould I post the track with no BT also or do you not require that?

Cheers!


yes please post it for the final mix,

Posted by: methodseeker Nov 27 2009, 04:09 PM

Hi Daniel,

Is there room for another participant? I haven't tried one of these collabs yet, but your backing was really interesting, and I ended up working something out over it.

Here's my mix:
 Dreamy_Ballad_Oddtime_Collaboration_BT.mp3 ( 1.14MB ) : 165


Here's just the guitar with the reverb removed, but other effects intact:
 Dreamy_Ballad_Oddtime_Collaboration_noBT.mp3 ( 1001.96K ) : 154


I recorded clean into garageband, so I can change the amp modeling and effects pretty easily.

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 27 2009, 04:26 PM

QUOTE (methodseeker @ Nov 27 2009, 04:09 PM) *
Hi Daniel,

Is there room for another participant? I haven't tried one of these collabs yet, but your backing was really interesting, and I ended up working something out over it.

Here's my mix:
 Dreamy_Ballad_Oddtime_Collaboration_BT.mp3 ( 1.14MB ) : 165


Here's just the guitar with the reverb removed, but other effects intact:
 Dreamy_Ballad_Oddtime_Collaboration_noBT.mp3 ( 1001.96K ) : 154


I recorded clean into garageband, so I can change the amp modeling and effects pretty easily.


Hi methodseeker, good job with the take! you took a lot of risks there,

You even went into the atonal realm! the tone you use has probably too much brights on it, if you want you can round it up a little by adding some mids and bass. That would take care of itself using another amp maybe.

Deadline is tomorrow.

Posted by: methodseeker Nov 27 2009, 05:56 PM

QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Nov 27 2009, 07:26 AM) *
Hi methodseeker, good job with the take! you took a lot of risks there,

You even went into the atonal realm! the tone you use has probably too much brights on it, if you want you can round it up a little by adding some mids and bass. That would take care of itself using another amp maybe.

Deadline is tomorrow.


I jammed around in Em for a while, then followed my ears out into some other colors.

Here's the mix again, with adjusted balances. I'm using the marshal model. For this version I boosted the bass and mid, dropped the treble, left presence alone. I also adjusted eq for more bass, and eased up the gain another couple of notches, then dropped the guitar several dB in the mix. Is this what you had in mind? Or a more different sound?

 Dreamy_Ballad_Oddtime_Collaboration_3_BT.mp3 ( 1.14MB ) : 147


If so, I'll upload the naked guitar track. Do you want it without reverb, or just without BT?


If it's not obvious, I'm pretty much a total beginner with this stuff, so any advice is much appreciated. smile.gif

Posted by: maharzan Nov 28 2009, 09:14 AM

ok here is my guitar..

 maharzan_dreamy_noBT.mp3 ( 1.05MB ) : 128
 

Posted by: methodseeker Nov 28 2009, 04:56 PM

...And here is mine.

 Dreamy_Ballad_Oddtime_Collaboration_3_noBT.mp3 ( 1001.96K ) : 134

Posted by: Daniel Realpe Nov 29 2009, 03:06 AM

QUOTE (methodseeker @ Nov 27 2009, 05:56 PM) *
I jammed around in Em for a while, then followed my ears out into some other colors.

Here's the mix again, with adjusted balances. I'm using the marshal model. For this version I boosted the bass and mid, dropped the treble, left presence alone. I also adjusted eq for more bass, and eased up the gain another couple of notches, then dropped the guitar several dB in the mix. Is this what you had in mind? Or a more different sound?

 Dreamy_Ballad_Oddtime_Collaboration_3_BT.mp3 ( 1.14MB ) : 147


If so, I'll upload the naked guitar track. Do you want it without reverb, or just without BT?


If it's not obvious, I'm pretty much a total beginner with this stuff, so any advice is much appreciated. smile.gif


The tone is much better! and melodically the idea is much more understanadable. Good job!

QUOTE (maharzan @ Nov 28 2009, 09:14 AM) *
ok here is my guitar..


Thank you!

Posted by: Rated Htr Nov 30 2009, 12:37 AM

A message for all the collabs I'm in...I've been having quite a few problems and will try to post all my takes tomorrow...I was going to post some takes sooner but the GMC Forum modifications made me take care of other subjects first, if it's not possible to receive one more day to make the collab, I'm sorry for taking someone's place smile.gif

Cheers
Filipe

Posted by: Dexxter Nov 30 2009, 12:52 AM

Here's my take, it's half improvised.

Posted by: Neurologi Nov 30 2009, 01:17 AM

Dexxter. Your take seems to be the backing track only. No solo.

Posted by: Gabbez Nov 30 2009, 01:23 AM

Hi, this is Dexxter.. I'm having trouble with my login because of the new site design, I can't login right now and I'm going to send a mail to the support tomorrow after I've checked some things.

This is my friend's account so I will just upload the real files of my take as I accidentally uploaded the backing on my previous post. So here it is.

 Dexxter_DreamyOddtime_NBT.mp3 ( 697.68K ) : 132
 Dexxter_DreamyOddtime_WBT.mp3 ( 1.7MB ) : 133
 

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