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Anese
post Jun 23 2019, 01:10 PM
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Hello everyone,

the reason I made this post is that I want to get some help to set my guitar just right, I know this is more of a guitar learning community but I figured that I have to let my guitar siblings give me a hand in this.
And please do not tell me to take my guitar to a tech because there’s not guitar techs where I live, not even in a 3000 km radius. rolleyes.gif

So the thing is that I recently felt that my Ibanez RG655 plays a little bit difficult on the high frets, says from 19th - 24th frets and by difficult I mean that the strings seem to have a high action around those frets.
So I decided to make some measurements for that Super wizard HP neck and compare it to recommended measures which noted in the guitar manual that came with the instrument. Also please note that all the measurements that I did were done as instructed in the guitar manual.

Before I started to check the intonation, string action and the neck curvature, I decided to remove the (ESP arming adjuster) which I installed a on my guitar for more than two years now and had to readjust the spring tension and the trem angle, and let the guitar settle for two weeks.
here's a pic that show the ESP unit before i removed it

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Also note that all the measurements where done several time during different time while I let the guitar set and nothing actually changed.

So here’s the check up that I did :

At first I check the intonation of the guitar, I tuned precisely, checked the intonation and I could say that it was almost perfect and non of the checked notes seemed to be flatter or sharper than they should be.

The next step I measured the Action on the Fourteenth fret as Recommended on the manual and it was as follows :
- The high E 1st string = 2.0 mm as shown in the pics below, while in the manual it is stated that the action on the 1st string at the Fourteenth fret should be (1.5- 1.7 mm)

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- The low E 6th string action was 2.6 mm (see pic) where in the manual it was stated that it should be (2.0 - 2.2 mm)

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According to what I know that before you start adjusting the guitar action by adjusting the floating trem stud bolts (my guitar has the Edge tremolo btw) I have to make sure that my neck is not bowing than what it should be in either direction so the third thing I checked was the Neck Curvature

The instructions in the manual says to fret the first fret ( I used a capo) and fretted the 18th fret with my finger and the recommended distance between the bottom of the string and the 8th fret, should be around (0.3 - 0.5 mm).
In my case it was hard to see a clear gab, and to be certain about that I did the business card test, I took a card (of a 0.5 mm thickness) and slipped it right between the string and the 8th fret, and I could say that the string was raised slightly but not too much, and I can confirm that there was no way to slip the card without causing the string to raise. Here’s some pics below shows the distance between the 8th fret and both of the E strings

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So in my humble knowledge I can say that I have a slight backward bow even though I hear very little buzzing when I play the guitar acoustically but nothing too serious. And when I play the guitar plugged in I don’t hear anything wrong or any buzzing at all.

So I’m thinking to make a small tiny adjustment ( a couple of quarter turns) to the truss rod and let the guitar set and recheck the neck curvature.

Once that gets done and I get the recommended neck curve I will check the string action and make any adjustment if needed through the stud bolts and finally reinstall the (ESP arming) adjuster.

The reason I wanted to share this is to get your thoughts and Ideas, or you might recommend any other methods to make the measurements before I adjust the truss rod, or you might even correct me if I have any misunderstandings.

I’m also thinking of posting this on one of the Ibanez fanatic sites, like Ibanezrules or Jemsite.. but I need to get your opinion about this first, you could also recommend a reliable online resource where I might get a some help.

Thanks

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Todd Simpson
post Jun 28 2019, 02:53 AM
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Some great advice here smile.gif I usually am willing to take a bit of buzz to get the action as low as humanly possible, then again I play Yngwie 8 gauge strings as well. Some folks wanna dig in and have zero buzz and pay 12 gauge strings. To each his own smile.gif

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post Jun 30 2019, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 28 2019, 03:53 AM) *
Some great advice here smile.gif I usually am willing to take a bit of buzz to get the action as low as humanly possible, then again I play Yngwie 8 gauge strings as well. Some folks wanna dig in and have zero buzz and pay 12 gauge strings. To each his own smile.gif


Actually i was hoping an ibby guy would hop in the post haha, Todd can you take one of your superwizard necks and measure the action on the 14th fret ?

I'd also be thankful if you can measure the gab for neck relief on the 8th fret while you capo the 1st fret and press on the string on the 18th fret.

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QUOTE (Anese @ Jun 30 2019, 09:42 PM) *
Actually i was hoping an ibby guy would hop in the post haha, Todd can you take one of your superwizard necks and measure the action on the 14th fret ?

I'd also be thankful if you can measure the gab for neck relief on the 8th fret while you capo the 1st fret and press on the string on the 18th fret.

Thanks
to do this right you need the right tools which would cost you more than going to a professional . You can do everything right but in the wrong order and be in a worse place than when you started. I would recommend having it set up professionally and then start trying to understand what , how and why it was done that way. But...


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post Jul 1 2019, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Jun 30 2019, 02:29 PM) *
to do this right you need the right tools which would cost you more than going to a professional . You can do everything right but in the wrong order and be in a worse place than when you started. I would recommend having it set up professionally and then start trying to understand what , how and why it was done that way. But...


As mentioned, he lives in Libya. 3000 kms from any guitar tech throughout the foreseeable future.

A few tools and few tries should get it. In the grand scheme of things, a set up is pretty basic.
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jul 1 2019, 11:53 AM) *
As mentioned, he lives in Libya. 3000 kms from any guitar tech throughout the foreseeable future.

A few tools and few tries should get it. In the grand scheme of things, a set up is pretty basic.

ya I saw that after I responded so thats why i put in that video , cheap tools ,simple set ups,

Measuring from the fret board is not good because fret wire have different thickness which will leave different heights between fret and string
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With my action set as it is, there is barely enough distance to actually measure between fret and string and have it show up on the camera. The good news is the height of the wire can we seen against the tool.

I hope the measurements gave some idea as to where I generally keep things and hopefully the OP can get his neck sorted. Give us an update when you can !
Todd

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ya I saw that after I responded so thats why i put in that video , cheap tools ,simple set ups,

Measuring from the fret board is not good because fret wire have different thickness which will leave different heights between fret and string
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Yes, I can see that your action setup is very low, i dont think i need it to get as low as that, but from your set up i get a more understanding of the concept which says "guitar action and neck relief" is more of personal preference.

So in my case should I start with tweaking the neck relief or try to lower the bridge first, since my main concern is lowering the action for the frets from 14 - 24

Thank for your advice all of you i really appreciate it.

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jul 2 2019, 06:45 AM) *
With my action set as it is, there is barely enough distance to actually measure between fret and string and have it show up on the camera. The good news is the height of the wire can we seen against the tool.

I hope the measurements gave some idea as to where I generally keep things and hopefully the OP can get his neck sorted. Give us an update when you can !
Todd


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Yes smile.gif it really does boil down to personal preference in the end, like many things. I do tend to like my action as low as I can get it. So I push it to the deck on every guitar I play. I really like it better that way. I also like very light gauge strings. This too is all personal taste, some folks hate light strings.

In your case, I'd say get your neck relief sorted out first, then start on the floyd rose. However, adjusting one can often mean needing to adjust the other. I usually get the neck feeling comfy first then start dropping the bridge in to the cavity.

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QUOTE (Anese @ Jul 5 2019, 07:29 PM) *
Yes, I can see that your action setup is very low, i dont think i need it to get as low as that, but from your set up i get a more understanding of the concept which says "guitar action and neck relief" is more of personal preference.

So in my case should I start with tweaking the neck relief or try to lower the bridge first, since my main concern is lowering the action for the frets from 14 - 24

Thank for your advice all of you i really appreciate it.
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- Anese   Neck, Action Adjustments   Jun 23 2019, 01:10 PM
- - Mertay   Truss adjustment is for buzzings till around first...   Jun 23 2019, 03:56 PM
|- - Anese   QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 23 2019, 04:56 PM) Tr...   Jun 27 2019, 06:34 PM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (Anese @ Jun 27 2019, 05:34 PM) by ...   Jun 27 2019, 07:03 PM
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- - klasaine   As long as it's comfortable for you to play, p...   Jun 27 2019, 10:15 AM
- - klasaine   Bridge and saddle height will affect the action ov...   Jun 27 2019, 06:36 PM
|- - Anese   QUOTE (klasaine @ Jun 27 2019, 07:36 PM) ...   Jun 27 2019, 06:57 PM
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||- - Anese   Alright that’s what I was thinking to do as well...   Jul 7 2019, 01:55 AM
||- - Todd Simpson   ALWAYS just take the little lock nuts off before m...   Jul 7 2019, 02:41 AM
||- - Anese   Thanks for the explanation Todd But i was not talk...   Jul 7 2019, 09:28 AM
||- - Todd Simpson   Ahh yes Both of my RG are decades old so the trem...   Jul 8 2019, 03:28 AM
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|- - Todd Simpson   ok I do measure from the wood, not from the fretw...   Jul 1 2019, 12:26 AM
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- - Anese   Ok, So finally after getting enough information fr...   Aug 2 2019, 11:44 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   Glad it worked out!!!! Todd [ H...   Aug 3 2019, 01:46 AM
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- - klasaine   Awesome!   Aug 2 2019, 04:40 PM
- - Mertay   Remembered I also used that site to learn stuff lo...   Aug 3 2019, 01:57 AM
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