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Posted by: big harry Jan 23 2009, 10:38 AM

Hi GMC ers

i am using cubase recording but i have just one little problem

i am able to record the guitar but i didnt find, where to change the preferences of the input
what do i need to do, to see the incoming signal or even change this signal ?

for example if the sound is too loud or low

i hope you know what i mean

anyone can help here ?

THX
Harry

Posted by: Dejan Farkas Jan 23 2009, 10:52 AM

Did you enable the monitoring of the signal? smile.gif


Posted by: big harry Jan 23 2009, 11:09 AM

QUOTE (Dejan Farkas @ Jan 23 2009, 10:52 AM) *
Did you enable the monitoring of the signal? smile.gif



i had a signal and i could record it, but i couldnt change it

seems like i didnt do that Dejan
and when i do that, then i can regulate the incoming signal ?

Posted by: Dejan Farkas Jan 23 2009, 11:31 AM

QUOTE (big harry @ Jan 23 2009, 11:09 AM) *
i had a signal and i could record it, but i couldnt change it

seems like i didnt do that Dejan
and when i do that, then i can regulate the incoming signal ?


You will be able to hear your input signal, and you can regulate it on your audio interface, mixer, POD, depending what you use.



In the transport bar (the image) on the far right there are two indicators, the one where the two green dots are is input level meter, and next to it is output, the general rule is that the both of them have to stay in green color:)

So, the input level is regulated before signal arrives to Cubase, and the output is regulated in Cubase Mixer

I hope that I understood well your question smile.gif

Posted by: big harry Jan 23 2009, 11:38 AM

QUOTE (Dejan Farkas @ Jan 23 2009, 11:31 AM) *
You will be able to hear your input signal, and you can regulate it on your audio interface, mixer, POD, depending what you use.



In the transport bar (the image) on the far right there are two indicators, the one where the two green dots are is input level meter, and next to it is output, the general rule is that the both of them have to stay in green color:)

So, the input level is regulated before signal arrives to Cubase, and the output is regulated in Cubase Mixer

I hope that I understood well your question smile.gif

i guess i understand you Dejan
in fact that i dont have my toneport ux 1 yet i have to regulate the incoming signal over the amp, right ?
when i get the toneport i can regulate the signal with it

am i getting you ?

another question according speed of a backing
i tried to change the speed of a backing but it always jumped back to the original speed
is this in general possible to change the speed of a ready recorded backing track ?
and if yes, should i change the speed first and then import the backing ?

Harry

Posted by: Dejan Farkas Jan 23 2009, 12:17 PM

You are right, the input signal can be regulated on your guitar volume pot, pedals, amp and also in Windows Mixer, whn you switch to Recording option.

About the speed of backings

Speed of backings in mp3, wav or other audio formats cannot be changed by changing the tempo of Cubase project, it can only work with backings in MIDI format.

For that purpose I use "Time-stretch" VST plugin to slow down or speed up a backing

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jan 23 2009, 12:33 PM

1) To set up your connections in Cubase first press F4 for the "VST Connections" Window (Picture 1). There you can choose what kind of outputs and inputs you have. I have Toneport so you can see two inputs there "SEND 1" and "SEND 3". You may have different names for inputs. Here you choose your "input bus" like this:

- Click on the button "add bus". There you can add input in the Cubase mixer.
- Add one mono bus, rename it to "INPUT NUMBER 1" for example
- On the right you can see the name of your soundcard/interface, and the name of the input that your soundcard sends via ASIO driver to Cubase (picture 2). CHoose the input here that you plugged your guitar into on the soundcard.

2) Now create one audio mono track, and open main mixer in Cubase by pressing F3:

- TO the left you will see the "INPUT NUMBER ONE" bus and next to it to the right there is one "audio track 01" that we created.
- On the top of the audio track choose the INPUT NUMBER ONE bus as your input for the audio track. (Picture 3) Now the track will record whatever you plugged in to that bus.

3) You can fine tune your input sound by entering to the "input channel settings". Press the little "e" button (picture 4)

- On the last picture you can see VST input channel settings window for "INPUT NUMBER 1" bus that we created. There you can adjust the volume of the input, choose EQ settings, or choose some plugins to process the sound right away. Normally you should only adjust the volume here, and later do the processing.




 

Posted by: big harry Jan 23 2009, 12:39 PM

QUOTE (Dejan Farkas @ Jan 23 2009, 12:17 PM) *
You are right, the input signal can be regulated on your guitar volume pot, pedals, amp and also in Windows Mixer, whn you switch to Recording option.

About the speed of backings

Speed of backings in mp3, wav or other audio formats cannot be changed by changing the tempo of Cubase project, it can only work with backings in MIDI format.

For that purpose I use "Time-stretch" VST plugin to slow down or speed up a backing


THX for the answers Dejan

you mean "Time stretch" can also handle just MIDI files ? or is this also working with WAV or MP3 formats ?
dont think so ......


QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jan 23 2009, 12:33 PM) *
1) To set up your connections in Cubase first press F4 for the "VST Connections" Window (Picture 1). There you can choose what kind of outputs and inputs you have. I have Toneport so you can see two inputs there "SEND 1" and "SEND 3". You may have different names for inputs. Here you choose your "input bus" like this:

- Click on the button "add bus". There you can add input in the Cubase mixer.
- Add one mono bus, rename it to "INPUT NUMBER 1" for example
- On the right you can see the name of your soundcard/interface, and the name of the input that your soundcard sends via ASIO driver to Cubase (picture 2). CHoose the input here that you plugged your guitar into on the soundcard.

2) Now create one audio mono track, and open main mixer in Cubase by pressing F3:

- TO the left you will see the "INPUT NUMBER ONE" bus and next to it to the right there is one "audio track 01" that we created.
- On the top of the audio track choose the INPUT NUMBER ONE bus as your input for the audio track. (Picture 3) Now the track will record whatever you plugged in to that bus.

3) You can fine tune your input sound by entering to the "input channel settings". Press the little "e" button (picture 4)

- On the last picture you can see VST input channel settings window for "INPUT NUMBER 1" bus that we created. There you can adjust the volume of the input, choose EQ settings, or choose some plugins to process the sound right away. Normally you should only adjust the volume here, and later do the processing.



WOHOOOOO thx Ivan for this visible help wink.gif
dont even have my Toneport, meanwhile i am just plugged to the soundcard of the PC
i will have a look when i got back home, and see what i can do with this informations

maybe i will have to come back to you cool.gif

THX guys
VERY HELPFUL
cya
Harry

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jan 23 2009, 12:44 PM

QUOTE (big harry @ Jan 23 2009, 11:38 AM) *
another question according speed of a backing
i tried to change the speed of a backing but it always jumped back to the original speed
is this in general possible to change the speed of a ready recorded backing track ?
and if yes, should i change the speed first and then import the backing ?

Harry


Press the "tempo" sign on the transport bar to change to "fixed" mode. Than the tempo will change.

Also you can draw custom tempo in the "track" mode by pressing ctrl+t

QUOTE (big harry @ Jan 23 2009, 12:39 PM) *
WOHOOOOO thx Ivan for this visible help wink.gif
dont even have my Toneport, meanwhile i am just plugged to the soundcard of the PC
i will have a look when i got back home, and see what i can do with this informations

maybe i will have to come back to you cool.gif

THX guys
VERY HELPFUL
cya
Harry


No prob mate, glad to help, ask if you need anything more. CHeers

 

Posted by: Dejan Farkas Jan 23 2009, 12:47 PM

QUOTE (big harry @ Jan 23 2009, 12:39 PM) *
THX for the answers Dejan

you mean "Time stretch" can also handle just MIDI files ? or is this also working with WAV or MP3 formats ?
dont think so ......


Time stretch can work only with audio files (mp3, wav), while project tempo works with MIDI

What is it the format of your backing?

Posted by: big harry Jan 23 2009, 12:52 PM

QUOTE (Dejan Farkas @ Jan 23 2009, 12:47 PM) *
Time stretch can work only with audio files (mp3, wav), while project tempo works with MIDI

What is it the format of your backing?


mostly mp3 or wav as usual here on GMC

if i do my own backings i try to do them in cubase though

i need to "play" around a bit just to get used to all that stuff

i prefer learning by doing cool.gif

Harry



Posted by: big harry Jan 23 2009, 11:35 PM

hey guys
back again

i tried some things with cubase
everythings worked fine what you told me except one thing

when i record the guitar always comes the backing also on the guitar line

why is that ?
what am i doing wrong ?
i dont export the recorded things, if i export them, its the same

any help ?

THX
Harry

Posted by: utak3r Jan 23 2009, 11:57 PM

Describe your cable connections.... probably you've made something wrong and made a loop wink.gif

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jan 24 2009, 12:46 AM

QUOTE (big harry @ Jan 23 2009, 11:35 PM) *
hey guys
back again

i tried some things with cubase
everythings worked fine what you told me except one thing

when i record the guitar always comes the backing also on the guitar line

why is that ?
what am i doing wrong ?
i dont export the recorded things, if i export them, its the same

any help ?

THX
Harry


I didn't quite understand mate, could your rephrase a bit please? You record guitar, and you can hear the backing recorded as well on that track? You probably haven't done the connections setup very well. What sound card do you have, and what input do you use?

Posted by: big harry Jan 24 2009, 05:57 PM

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jan 24 2009, 12:46 AM) *
I didn't quite understand mate, could your rephrase a bit please? You record guitar, and you can hear the backing recorded as well on that track? You probably haven't done the connections setup very well. What sound card do you have, and what input do you use?


hey Ivan

you got it right Ivan, yes i have the backing also on the recorded guitar line
didnt get my toneport till now so i am going thru standard soundcard which is in the PC
i will make some description of what i do, later on, to show you

Input i use is the Line in of the soundcard

i will write you more detailed later on, dont have so much time now

cya then
Harry


Posted by: utak3r Jan 24 2009, 06:49 PM

QUOTE (big harry @ Jan 24 2009, 05:57 PM) *
Input i use is the Line in of the soundcard



it's just toneport has a really bad manual.... I did the same, Kaz did the same, now you... you've made it wrong... toneport is a soundcard, put your speakers into this, not into your soundcard, in sound preferences set Line6 as primary sound device and you're done smile.gif

Posted by: big harry Jan 24 2009, 07:08 PM

QUOTE (utak3r @ Jan 24 2009, 06:49 PM) *
it's just toneport has a really bad manual.... I did the same, Kaz did the same, now you... you've made it wrong... toneport is a soundcard, put your speakers into this, not into your soundcard, in sound preferences set Line6 as primary sound device and you're done smile.gif


i dont have toneport till now, i WILL get it soon, but now i dont have it, so i just have my PC soundcard

Posted by: utak3r Jan 24 2009, 08:08 PM

ok then... wink.gif
So describe your connections:
your guitar is connected to what? amp? or soundcard? and if to amp, did you played your backings through it, too? wink.gif

Posted by: big harry Jan 24 2009, 10:49 PM

QUOTE (utak3r @ Jan 24 2009, 08:08 PM) *
ok then... wink.gif
So describe your connections:
your guitar is connected to what? amp? or soundcard? and if to amp, did you played your backings through it, too? wink.gif


my connections:
guitar - pedal - amp - computer/soundcard via mono cable to the "line in"

backing comes from pc because i dont go thru amp with backing
so i have just one direction, from amp to pc

Posted by: utak3r Jan 24 2009, 11:05 PM

Maybe you turned via accident recording from a mic on, instead from line-in?.... this is weird....

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jan 24 2009, 11:29 PM

You probably have the "stereo mix" or "main mix" option enabled in recording inputs.

Go Control Panel>Audio tab>Sound Recording>Volume...>and then choose only LINE IN as your source of sound. Don't enable the Stereo Mix or similar option, cause the software will record whatever you can hear from the speakers.

Posted by: big harry Jan 25 2009, 07:19 PM

ok guys lets do it from beginning step by step

1) open cubase - all empty picture 1 (cubase open)

2) then start with F4 to see the connections - picture 2 (VST connections)

3) then open an empty "new projekt" and add an Mono audio track - picture 3 (add track)

4) then create audio track like Ivan said - picture 4 (created audio with mixer)

5) then i make another line where i can import the backing track

this is the order of what i do

anything wrong till here ?

please HELP

THX
Harry


Posted by: utak3r Jan 25 2009, 07:53 PM

Look at my channel setup:

 

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jan 25 2009, 08:21 PM

Harry that seems fine. Have you renamed the input bus in F4 VST connections window to "Harry 1"? It says "Input" in picture 2, but on picture 4 I can see that it is named "Harry 1".

let's say you renamed it, in the picture 4 in the mixer you can see to the left your input bus. This is what the Cubase is recording.

In Cubase Mixer channel strips are presented like this:

INPUTS | PROJECT TRACKS | OUTPUTS

You have one input called "Harry 1", one project track called "Audio Track 01", and 2 output channel strips called "Out" (which is the main stereo out of the program), and "Audition" (which is not important and you don't need it, it's used for monitoring.

Your guitar signal is going to "Harry 1" input bus to your project. You can see the signal on the fader, when you play the meter will go up and down. If you play some kind of a backing track, and the signal in "Harry 1" still goes up and down, it means that your sound card is not recording the signal from Line In. It is recording a complete "Stereo Out" that goes to the speakers.

If you haven't done this, try it now mate:
Go Control Panel>Audio tab>Sound Recording>Volume...>and then choose only LINE IN as your source of sound. Don't enable the Stereo Mix or similar option, cause the software will record whatever you can hear from the speakers.

Posted by: big harry Jan 25 2009, 08:42 PM

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jan 25 2009, 08:21 PM) *
Harry that seems fine. Have you renamed the input bus in F4 VST connections window to "Harry 1"? It says "Input" in picture 2, but on picture 4 I can see that it is named "Harry 1".

let's say you renamed it, in the picture 4 in the mixer you can see to the left your input bus. This is what the Cubase is recording.

In Cubase Mixer channel strips are presented like this:

INPUTS | PROJECT TRACKS | OUTPUTS

You have one input called "Harry 1", one project track called "Audio Track 01", and 2 output channel strips called "Out" (which is the main stereo out of the program), and "Audition" (which is not important and you don't need it, it's used for monitoring.

Your guitar signal is going to "Harry 1" input bus to your project. You can see the signal on the fader, when you play the meter will go up and down. If you play some kind of a backing track, and the signal in "Harry 1" still goes up and down, it means that your sound card is not recording the signal from Line In. It is recording a complete "Stereo Out" that goes to the speakers.

If you haven't done this, try it now mate:
Go Control Panel>Audio tab>Sound Recording>Volume...>and then choose only LINE IN as your source of sound. Don't enable the Stereo Mix or similar option, cause the software will record whatever you can hear from the speakers.



where can i find the control panel Ivan ?
i dont see it

Ivan can you shoot me a pic of where to find that control panel and what to do there PLEASE

i dont get it

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jan 25 2009, 08:57 PM

On WIndows desktop go Start>Control Panel>Sound and Audio Devices

Then follow the picture bellow. You should enable only the Line In channel from your card. Maybe with your card instead of "mute" check button there will be "enable" or something similar. Tell me how It went, I'll be right here.

 

Posted by: big harry Jan 26 2009, 08:10 AM

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jan 25 2009, 08:57 PM) *
On WIndows desktop go Start>Control Panel>Sound and Audio Devices

Then follow the picture bellow. You should enable only the Line In channel from your card. Maybe with your card instead of "mute" check button there will be "enable" or something similar. Tell me how It went, I'll be right here.

Hey Ivan

i thought you were talking about control panel of cubase biggrin.gif
i wil give it a try when i come home this evening but i really hope that i will get my toneport today mad.gif

i will come back to you in the evening Ivan

THX
Harry

Posted by: utak3r Jan 26 2009, 10:06 AM

Remember that when you get your toneport, you'll have to switch in the same control panel Ivan showed you the active card from Realtek to Line6 smile.gif

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jan 26 2009, 12:51 PM

I agree with utak - if you get your toneport, the job is a lot easier. All you have to do is choose the Toneport instead of Realtek as a default device for both sound playback and sound recording.

Posted by: big harry Jan 26 2009, 12:55 PM

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jan 26 2009, 12:51 PM) *
I agree with utak - if you get your toneport, the job is a lot easier. All you have to do is choose the Toneport instead of Realtek as a default device for both sound playback and sound recording.


i hope i will get it today or tomorrow so i can adjust that all a bit easier
however i will let you know if i get it

thx and cya
Harry

Posted by: big harry Jan 26 2009, 08:33 PM

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jan 26 2009, 12:51 PM) *
I agree with utak - if you get your toneport, the job is a lot easier. All you have to do is choose the Toneport instead of Realtek as a default device for both sound playback and sound recording.

Hey guys

what Ivan said works but now i have the problem of a big latency

what i record starts too fast in comparison to the backing track
so it doesnt really fit together
whats this ? how can i solve this problem now ?

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jan 26 2009, 11:03 PM

This is a common problem with intergrated cards. Your current (Realtek) sound card is too slow to be able to process the sound that fast, so it writes down the audio in Cubase with a bit of delay. All these problems will disappear with Toneport but until then there are 2 things that can be done to solve your latency issue:

1. Move/adjust every track you record so you align (sync) with your backing track. I suggest picking one note on precount beats of the backing tracks so you can then sync those peaks together easily. Then remember how much miliseconds you moved the event and every time move for that same amount.

2. If you have that milliseconds value you can enter it in "delay" slider on the picture bellow. Cubase will then automatically play your track with that much delay so you don't have to move anything. Try experimenting with some delay millisecond values until you find the right one, and enter that value in every track you record.

 

Posted by: big harry Jan 27 2009, 07:13 AM

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jan 26 2009, 11:03 PM) *
This is a common problem with intergrated cards. Your current (Realtek) sound card is too slow to be able to process the sound that fast, so it writes down the audio in Cubase with a bit of delay. All these problems will disappear with Toneport but until then there are 2 things that can be done to solve your latency issue:

1. Move/adjust every track you record so you align (sync) with your backing track. I suggest picking one note on precount beats of the backing tracks so you can then sync those peaks together easily. Then remember how much miliseconds you moved the event and every time move for that same amount.

2. If you have that milliseconds value you can enter it in "delay" slider on the picture bellow. Cubase will then automatically play your track with that much delay so you don't have to move anything. Try experimenting with some delay millisecond values until you find the right one, and enter that value in every track you record.


Hey Ivan
MANY MANY THX for your help i got it all done
the first time is always the hardest ........ but i will record more things from now on, so called learning by doing and i think i will get used to that stuff in a short while, i also will try to work around a bit with the sound as well

i have done it with Pedjas Fusion collab and i think it doesnt sound that weird ...... tongue.gif

and btw i have downloaded an users manual from the internet for cubase *hehehe*
i guess some of this things are also listed in this manual dry.gif

however THX again to you all who submitted great help

cya
Harry


Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jan 27 2009, 11:51 PM

No problem mate, I'm glad if I could help you in any way! Cheers! smile.gif

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