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Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jun 2 2008, 01:32 PM

... If I could find a way

No. This topic is about time travel. If you could travel back in time would you? I always thought it would be pretty cool. Taking all the guitar skills back and playing all the famous songs out now before they were written and becoming extra famous.

Would you go back or forward in time if you could? What would you travel back to?

Posted by: Bucket86 Jun 2 2008, 01:35 PM

I would go back to a metallica tour from just after their realease of Ride the Lightining (That cd and kill'em all are my two favorite albums by them)
And then on my way back i would tell my 10 year old self to buy a guitar and start working then so i wouldnt be such a noob at 17.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jun 2 2008, 01:36 PM

I didn't start playing guitar till I was 18.

Posted by: shellshock1911 Jun 2 2008, 10:39 PM

I would go forward in time so I could see where I would be in 10 years, 20 years, and 30 years, and if I didn't like it, change myself in the present to a perfect life in the future. Plus I could check on the status of the human race in the future, future lifeforms, future technology, everything. Going forward would be far cooler to me than going back.

Posted by: The Uncreator Jun 2 2008, 10:46 PM

I'd go to the Long Beach Arena in the year 1985 to witness Iron Maiden's Live After Death, then I would go back to last saturday, Cause it was so fun

Posted by: Nemanja Filipovic Jun 2 2008, 10:49 PM

It would be cool,but you will always know that it is not yours,and it will eat you up.

Posted by: Lithuanian Jun 3 2008, 07:14 AM

Your right Nemanja.

If I could turn back time, I would go back to when I was 10, tell myself to buy a guitar and start practising I think we all would

Posted by: Chiruki Jun 3 2008, 07:44 AM

I've wanted to turn back time for a long time.. I would go back to 10 years ago and kick my own ass when i did something else than practiced playing guitar and piano >,<..

Posted by: SonofDestiny Jun 3 2008, 08:10 AM

Hahah Chiruki

I'd travel to the future, I think. On the other hand, that would spoil the surprise. So I guess I'll go see my summer romance from when I was 16 again. I'd love to do that over!

Posted by: audiopaal Jun 3 2008, 08:43 AM

You beat me too it

Posted by: Canis Jun 3 2008, 09:36 AM

I'd travel some years into the future, to see how things are.. Or fly back to when I was 10 and give myself a guitar

Posted by: Smells Jun 3 2008, 09:57 AM

yea I think I`d go back to 11 or 12 ish, instead of picking up the drums I`d pick up the guitar instead, as someone mentioned earlier I`d definatly give myself a good old talking to and practice a lot harder than I did when I was in my mid teens.
Bit of a Bill n Ted thing, go back and get totally "excellent"

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jun 3 2008, 10:43 AM

I wouldn't like to travel to the future as I prefer to not know what is happening but I'd happily go back in time and change something

Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Jun 3 2008, 01:09 PM

I would Maybe to 60s , looks like a very fun time

Posted by: Pitch_Black Jun 3 2008, 02:06 PM

....and play death metal That would be funny

Posted by: Danilo Capezzuto Jun 3 2008, 08:09 PM

I would like to travel in past just to know all the scores of the football games...

Posted by: FrankW Jun 5 2008, 10:05 PM

I'd grab my guitar and travel back in time to the old west. I'd be a rootin' tootin' geetar playin' gunslinger. I'd go by the name of Yngwie the Kid. I'd call my horse DiMarzio, and my sidekick would be Calamity Janes' Addiction. My posse would be The Lynch Mob, and the sheriff would be Wild Eddie Van Hickock!

Posted by: Trond Vold Jun 5 2008, 10:08 PM

I would travel back to the viking-age with my guitar and marshall rig and get a real viking-metal band together

Posted by: g-forcelover Jun 5 2008, 10:08 PM

I would go back to the civil war with a Machine gun, go up to one of the battles, and just walk out in front and win the battle while everyone stares in amazment.or i would go back an teach the cavemen guitar.

Posted by: Jeff Jun 5 2008, 10:50 PM

I'd go back to the 70's - 80's and relive those days exactly the same way I did. Except I would buy some tech stocks!

Posted by: fkalich Jun 5 2008, 11:58 PM

They would stare at amazement at how anyone could have been that foolish. While it may be true that Indigenous Americans had a taboo against harming the insane, there was no such taboo among civil war soldiers.

I would suggest that it would be a better idea to wait until you had a time machine big enough to carry a well armored tank.
Fire power in the civil war was substantial. They didn't have 50,000 casualties out of 150,000 involved at Gettysburg because either side lacked fire power. The rifled musket and minie ball (used by both sides) was actually quite deadly, very accurate accurate at 300 yards, would put a hole in you the size of a good sized orange. But the cannon barrage would have left you nothing but a grease spot long before you got that close.

BTW, was not called minie ball because it was small, it was .50 caliber.

Posted by: FrankW Jun 6 2008, 12:05 AM

Gatling gun, anyone?

Posted by: FrankW Jun 7 2008, 04:46 AM

By the way, Fkalich, I agree with you about the firepower used by soldiers in the Civil War. You see that I alluded to the Gatling Gun, a scary piece of firepower. My father is a Civil War buff, he owns hundreds of volumes on the subject. In fact, he also owns a .58 caliber musket, and a Spencer carbine .52 caliber. That style of setpiece warfare was insane! Back in the day, it was the 'honorable' way to conduct battle. Snipers were looked on with disdain as cowards. I thought they were the only ones with any sense! Warfare has evolved, somewhat...I just hope we continue to evolve our way out of commiting such atrocious acts of violence. Unfortunately, it sometimes has to be done, but that's another topic of discussion...oh yeah, almost forgot, I went to your personal page and noticed that you were a cat lover too. I love the names of your cats. I have one named GiGi. Animals have alot to offer, don't you think? My cat has given me great comfort over the years, she's precious to me...

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jun 7 2008, 03:09 PM

For me it's either 1970's or 2070's

Posted by: shellshock1911 Jun 8 2008, 02:55 AM

If I could go back (as opposed to going forward), I would take back like crazy military technology, make the Confederacy win the Civil War, for example, go back to present day, see how things are, if I didn't like them, go back and not do the actions, so that history rolls out normally. I would do this with all wars until I had designed the world I liked.

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Jun 8 2008, 04:52 AM

go back in time and hang out with jimi hendrix, jam and party with him and his groupies....

did you ever see that movie time cop... they did that and robbed a stage coach

Posted by: erik Jun 8 2008, 11:59 AM

If I could travel back in time I would go back to whenever gas was cheap! Here in Norway it's frickin' 13 NOK per liter! Which is aproximatly 11 US dollars a gallon

I could just turn my car into the car in Back To The Future, and just travel back in time everytime I needed to refill

Posted by: shellshock1911 Jun 8 2008, 04:35 PM

Holy sh*t! And I thought U.S. gas was bad at $4.00 a gallon, well I guess it is still kinda similar since your guys' salaries and money spent on consumer goods is probably proportional to ours. Good idea though, I would go back in time, get like 100,000 gallons of gas, and come back and sell it for $3.00 a gallon, which people would kill for.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jun 8 2008, 04:55 PM

Not true!

In the US we have it great believe it or not! Even at $4 a gallon I just laugh and fill up the SUV - gas was twice this price in the UK when I moved over so it just doesn't upset me. One of the reaons I moved to the US is that the cost of living gives us more disposable income

Posted by: tonymiro Jun 8 2008, 05:28 PM

I think gas/petrol is about 1.25 per litre in the UK currently - so about 5.63 pounds sterling a gallon or just over 11USD. Salaries in the UK are usually something like 60% of the US equivalent. To put that into perspective the UK equivalent gallon, factoring for salary differences, is 18.56 Dollars - about 4.5 times the cost in the US. So all in all people who live in the UK get hit from every angle.

In the UK the tax on fuel is something like 70% of the price so fuel comparisons UK to US is difficult as the US tax levy is much smaller. Another way of looking at comparative cost differences though is how much a Big Mac costs:

As of @ June 2008 US it's 3.10 USD; UK 1.95 Sterling or about 3.90USD - now factor for salary difference and it's 6.5USD or just over twice the relative cost in the US. So basically the cost of living is double in the UK compared to the US.

Cheers,
Tony

Posted by: shellshock1911 Jun 8 2008, 06:03 PM

Yea but the UK's public transportation system is far more expanded, and advanced, whereas the U.S. may have a subway system in some big cities, but here everyone wants their own personal car, so if I lived over there I would definately be looking into some public transporation to go EVERYWHERE.

Posted by: Sam Hook Jun 8 2008, 09:13 PM

I'd go back to the Egyptian time, have a chat with the Pharaoh dude, raid some graves and get as much gold/silver/platinum as possible. Then travel to a very remote place and bury it all very far down, when I travel back to the present I can simply find where I buried it all and become an instant billionaire. I'd sell it all on the black market and not tell anyone, just friends. This way I would not become famous and constantly be harassed by the media and public.

Although this whole plan would probably destroy the whole gold market and possibly the economy, it would be worth it.

Posted by: Smikey2006 Jun 8 2008, 09:33 PM

god that would be epic..

I think i would travel back in time tell myself to not play hockey( it consumed 10 years of my life) and to play more guitar and not waste my money on stupid things while i was living at home, when you live by yourself every can of soup is precious ( at least to me ), and if i went back really far, id for sure go back to the 1800's and become a pirate.

who cares about the future.. the future is now

Posted by: Sam Hook Jun 8 2008, 10:29 PM

I was thinking about time travel and stuff though...surely if time travel was invented in the next 100 years or so we should know about it, shouldn't we? I'll explain...

If time travel had been invented someone must of come back to this time and left some sort of evidence or something that would show us that they have travelled time. Maybe millions of years into the future time travelling could be used by the public as a holiday or vacation of some sort (yes, I watch family guy), there would always be some idiot who tries to tell people in the past about the future or try and stop a major disaster.

Some theories of time travel involve a space ship of some sort to travel through a portal (not sure on details), so maybe people have attempted to travel to this time, but the government are just keeping it a secret!


Anyway...none of that probably makes sense as I fail at explaining things that I think about, but oh well.

Posted by: FrankW Jun 9 2008, 02:59 AM

You know, Sam, you could be right. I happen to believe that we have been, and still are, visited from time to time. If you go outside at night, and look up at the sky, you see countless possibilities for the existence of other lifeforms. I don't know if we're visited by way of time travel, or by other means. I've read where the Hubble space telescope can view distances up to 40 billion light years! Can you imagine the amount of solar systems that could be floating around out there? Statistically speaking, there's no way that we are the only intelligent life in the universe. Actually, I'm being generous when I describe us as intelligent. We only use 10% of our brains. We have a long way to go. I'm sure there is life out there that is further along than we are. That explains the UFO phenomenon. I just hope we give ourselves a chance to evolve further. I think it's going to take a while...

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jun 9 2008, 01:07 PM

You could be right But at least the human race has discovered the guitar, that has to be a step in the right direction!

I believe as well that we are "not alone" but I also suspect that the chances of 2 intelligent races finding each other are on the low side, much as I would love that to happen!

On the subject of time travel, its an interesting fact that nothing in the basic equations of physics as we currently understand them forbids time travel in either direction. At the very basic quantum level, many events have alternative interpretations involving particles traveling in time. In fact, when building a world out of these very equations, it is a huge mystery why time flows in a particular direction at all - the best explanation we currently have revolves around entropy, and the ordered state of the universe just after the big bang.

Scaling that up, and moving into Einsteinian physics is actually a discontinuity until we have a unified theorem for Quantum gravity, however, Einsteinian physics suggests a few different ways in which time travel might be possible, most revolving around black holes - theoretically possible but technologically way beyond us.

Of course, time travel into the future is possible - we all do it, at the rate of 1 day per day This can be increased if you travel at a significant percentage of the speed of light, and this has been experimentally verified using atomic clocks on planes. The effect is tiny at speeds that we can realistically obtain with current technology, but that is perhaps our best shot for time travel forwards. Time travel backwards remains extremely challenging though not forbidden by theory.

Man, I love Physics!

Posted by: tonymiro Jun 9 2008, 02:04 PM

On a philosophical level time is more complicated then the simple, linear clock time of Newton. It isn't just the standard accretion of seconds in to minutes in to hours... There is also time that we experience: when you're bored time slows to a crawl, when you're happy and enjoying yourself it flies by. For someone missing their absent loved one it becomes an eternity to endure. None of that is clock time but a time that we intuit. There is furthermore Time (with a capital 'T') as the temporal container of all times without which there would be no experienced time and no clock time. All of these were discussed by Henri Bergson - a philosopher who was also a contemporary of Einstein.

If you follow through on Bergson one thing he is very clear about is that thinking time as 'clock time' spatialises it. From this we can say that it is this spatialisation that defers the possibility of time travel because each moment becomes infinitely separate. Time as what we intuit though returns us to the possibility that time is not a series of separate discrete moments but more an indivisible whole - each moment bleeds in to the next. With intuited time all times are present in every moment - hence there is the possibility of time travel. We do it every moment - we remember the past and we look forward to the future.

Cheers,
Tony

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jun 9 2008, 02:34 PM

Philosophy vs Physics - 2 completely different (and complementary) views of the same thing!

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jun 9 2008, 02:36 PM

That is what the whole of the TV show Lost is about. That's why I love it so much. Man Of Science, Man Of Faith It's awesome.

Some great posts in this thread.

Posted by: erik Jun 9 2008, 07:01 PM

I read about time traveling once in a science magazine. It actually explained the theory pretty good, but I can't quite remember it.. But it did say that for future people to travel back in time to for instance us in 2008, is physicly imposible. One can only travel back to a time to After the time machine is invented for some reason. I wish I still had that magazine.. because I remember there being a very logical explanation to that. So it's possible to travel back in time, but not to a time before the time machine excists.

Posted by: Sam Hook Jun 9 2008, 07:28 PM

Oohhhh yeah, I think I read about that somewhere as well.

I think that theory is about using a time machine. It can't be used to travel to a time before the time machine was constructed because there would be no time machine in the past for you to travel to. There needs to be something on the other end if you get what I mean.

If scientists did build one of these time machines, as soon it's made it's possible that someone could come from the future straight away.

I also saw a guy on TV chat show a while back saying he needed funding for a time machine he had designed. He said that with the right about of money he could create a machine to spin an atom extremely fast in spirals and send it back a couple of seconds or so. So I suppose if that worked they could then use it on a much bigger scale to make someone go back even further.

EDIT: Here's an interview with the guy I was speaking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po99JEgOiuY

He explains how we don't see time travellers and how it's impossible to go back to a time before the time machine was constructed. Interesting stuff.

Posted by: erik Jun 9 2008, 08:50 PM

wow, that was pretty cool. Check out this aswell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSqb94hd2To&NR=1

Posted by: Sam Hook Jun 9 2008, 09:14 PM

Woww, that's interesting, it explains it really clearly as well. Great video, thanks for the link!

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Jun 10 2008, 04:32 AM

I was thinking about this topic today... and if i could go back in time, id go back to when i was 15 and give myself a bunch of these lessons they have out on vhs, cause there wasnt dvd yet... and then id talk to myself about keeping the damn straws outta my nose

Posted by: Kosei Kubota Jun 10 2008, 06:02 AM

I would go back to 18th Century, and have J. S. Back listen to some metal.
He might like it and compose a fugue upon it!

Posted by: Hammerin Hank Jun 10 2008, 06:32 AM

I have thought about this for years.........as the great JL sang "Imagine all the people"!!! Bringing back what we know now might be like Michael J. Fox saying....."but your kids are gonna love it"!!