Copy Kills Music
Marcus Siepen
May 20 2008, 06:15 PM
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Since some days ago this "downloading/copying" thing was tackled here, I thought I give you guys my point of view on this whole topic, and I would like to hear your opinion on this.

Well, the music industry created this slogan "copy kills music", but is this really true? In my opinion it isn't, the problem is not really copying. Music has always been copied and most likely always will be copied. Back when I started to listen to music me and my friends also copied new albums for each other, the only difference was of course that back then there were no 1:1 copies on cd's, we had to use tapes, so there was a loss in quality. And, unlike today, you had to know somebody if you wanted to check out his albums. Today this is a bit different, in theory it is enough if one person on this planet buys an album, as soon as he uploads it to the internet the rest of the world could have it.

But as I said in the beginning, I don't think that copying music is the basic problem, in my opinion the real problem is peoples attitude towards all this, specially towards music itself. Back when I was a kid it was something SO special to go to town and buy a new album. I remember that I went to all the record stores in town every single day when I knew that a new album of one of my fave bands was supposed to be released, until the day when it finally reached the stores. I immediately bought it, went straight home and was not seen anymore for the rest of the day (or the rest of the week). I listened to the album all day long, while getting lost in the lyrics, the cover artwork, the pictures and all those things, I was in a different universe. As I said before, we also copied albums back then, but not to get them for free, for us it was a way of checking them out. If a friend of mine bought an album that I didn't know he gave me a copy so I could check it out myself, and if I liked it I bought a copy for myself, I always wanted to have the original if I liked an album.

And this is exactly the point where the problem starts, in my opinion the attitude towards music has changed completely. Today getting a new album is nothing special anymore. Kids don't wait for the release day anymore, they are not excited about this day to come anymore, they get the album weeks (if not months) earlier already, either on the net, or on a dvd filled with thousands of albums, that somebody gives to them in school. Music turned into a kind of fast food, something that is consumed while doing something else, it is not really something special anymore. Those kids get this dvd with tons of mp3's this week, so during the next couple of days they might listen to a few of those songs (most likely on the way to school, with only one earphone in their ears, so they can still talk to their friends at the same time...), and by next week they get a new dvd with another load of mp3's. There is absolutely no chance to listen to all of those songs of course, but they don't really care, it is only about HAVING them all, not listening to them.

And of course this attitude leads to this thought of "why should I pay for music when I can have everything for free?" If music is not special for that person anymore, if it is only "consumed" as something secondary, the will to pay vanishes, specially since it is no problem anymore to get any album for free. And of course the world is full of excuses for this, because nobody wants to admit that he/she is doing something wrong or illegal. My fave excuse is "I am not doing anything wrong, I downloaded this album for free, but I would not have bought it anyway, so the band is not losing any money, they would not have got mine anyway"... Well, this is complete bullsh...t!!! If you go to the next music store and just grab an expensive guitar, giving the argument that you would never buy it anyway, you will go straight to jail, because you just stole an expensive instrument, very simple. Illegal downloads are nothing different, you take something that is for sale, but you don't pay for it, sorry, but per definition this is stealing. And of course this is harming every single band that there is on this planet, no matter if we are talking about Blind Guardian, Metallica, Madonna or small newcomers.

As I said above, I also traded music with friends, I still do sometimes, but the difference is that I only do it to check out new bands that I don't know yet and that somebody recommends to me. If I like the band, I will go and buy the album, if not, well, I delete the file. As long as people have this attitude, if they are still willing to pay for the music that they like, if they are still willing to support their fave bands, downloading is not that much of a problem, actually it can be a good advertising for a band (I for example talked to many fans of BG that got to know about us by downloading some of our songs), but if somebody comes to me, telling me that he is our biggest fan, that we are the greatest band in the universe, and then he askes me to sign his whole BG collection, which consists of one dvd full of copied mp3's... well, sorry, there is something wrong (and yes, this actually happened in exactly this way!).

But anway, I think I babbled enough for now and I would like to hear your opinions on this, so this topic is open for discussion now wink.gif

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This post has been edited by Marcus Siepen: May 20 2008, 06:42 PM


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- Marcus Siepen   Copy Kills Music   May 20 2008, 06:15 PM
- - Maximus   I couldn't agree more about the ritual of wait...   May 20 2008, 06:32 PM
- - PassionPlay   I agree with you. in the age of 12 when i started ...   May 20 2008, 06:33 PM
- - javari   imho it hs to do with the perception of value. Sin...   May 20 2008, 06:44 PM
- - Marcus Siepen   Thanks for your opinions guys, good to hear I am n...   May 20 2008, 06:45 PM
- - Mark.   Damn it's hard to comment on this one, and doi...   May 20 2008, 06:50 PM
- - Old School Rocker   Im with you 100% on this one Marcus I only downloa...   May 20 2008, 07:02 PM
- - Marcus Siepen   @ Mark: First of all, don't worry about postin...   May 20 2008, 07:20 PM
- - fatb0t   Awesome topic.... I love the idea of fast food mu...   May 20 2008, 07:25 PM
- - DeepRoots   QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ May 20 2008, 06:15...   May 20 2008, 07:33 PM
- - Marcus Siepen   QUOTE (fatb0t @ May 20 2008, 08:25 PM) Ma...   May 20 2008, 07:35 PM
- - ItsMe   You really nailed the important point Marcus: musi...   May 20 2008, 07:41 PM
- - Smikey2006   I completely agree with you marcus.. Music is just...   May 20 2008, 07:45 PM
- - Spreedmaster   Theres nothing compared to buying a CD which you r...   May 20 2008, 07:55 PM
- - Marcus Siepen   For sure the internet offer great opportunities to...   May 20 2008, 07:59 PM
- - Zizi Top   I do the same thing, actually not ... i don't ...   May 20 2008, 08:01 PM
- - Matt_00   Marcus said QUOTE The internet itself is not to be...   May 20 2008, 08:21 PM
- - Canis   Awesome topic ^^ I can't claim that I haven...   May 20 2008, 08:28 PM
- - Marcus Siepen   I don't think the internet can be controled AT...   May 20 2008, 08:35 PM
|- - Matt_00   QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ May 20 2008, 01:35...   May 20 2008, 08:57 PM
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- - Zizi Top   Yeah i also think that some band that we love to l...   May 20 2008, 08:38 PM
- - Canis   I'm gonna try not to go on another rant about ...   May 20 2008, 08:57 PM
- - Spreedmaster   QUOTE (Canis @ May 20 2008, 08:57 PM) Ano...   May 20 2008, 09:28 PM
- - Smikey2006   To Marcus.. I was discussing with my friend today ...   May 21 2008, 03:26 AM
- - blindwillie   Spot on Marcus. Interesting to hear someone who su...   May 21 2008, 08:23 AM
- - ballistic31   I dont realy buy music anymore cause..To me there ...   May 21 2008, 09:52 AM
- - Marcus Siepen   Thanks for all your posts, it is really interestin...   May 21 2008, 12:08 PM
|- - Jeff   QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ May 21 2008, 06:08...   May 21 2008, 03:14 PM
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- - tonymiro   Great topic Marcus, and pretty much endorse what y...   May 21 2008, 12:42 PM
|- - Marcus Siepen   I absolutely agree with you Tony, you are 100% rig...   May 21 2008, 01:12 PM
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- - black and white   Regardless of why, if you take something that is n...   May 21 2008, 01:16 PM
- - visi0n   I totally agree with you Marcus, there need to be ...   May 21 2008, 01:26 PM
- - Daniel Robinson   I think what you said to smikey hits the nail on t...   May 21 2008, 01:27 PM
- - Marcus Siepen   QUOTE (Daniel Robinson @ May 21 2008, 02...   May 21 2008, 01:41 PM
|- - Aranox   I would like to comment on a certain argument that...   May 21 2008, 03:25 PM
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- - Fsgdjv   I have to say that I mostly agree with you, Marcus...   May 21 2008, 03:39 PM
- - OrganisedConfusion   I buy about 20 albums a month. I'm a bit of a ...   May 21 2008, 03:42 PM
|- - Sam Hook   QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ May 21 2008, 03...   May 21 2008, 04:50 PM
|- - OrganisedConfusion   QUOTE (Sam Hook @ May 21 2008, 04:50 PM) ...   May 22 2008, 09:13 AM
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- - Marcus Siepen   Good point Jeff, cds for sure last much longer tha...   May 21 2008, 05:06 PM
|- - Canis   QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ May 21 2008, 06:06...   May 21 2008, 06:53 PM
|- - Aranox   QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ May 21 2008, 05:06...   May 26 2008, 08:53 PM
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- - audiopaal   There is nothing like coming home putting on an al...   May 21 2008, 06:36 PM
- - Tjchep   Didn't read the whole post.. but I read enough...   May 21 2008, 07:43 PM
- - blindwillie   Well put Tony and Daniel. Wish I could express mys...   May 21 2008, 08:33 PM
- - Joe Kataldo   100% agree with you, only think I'd like to ad...   May 21 2008, 08:46 PM
- - Toni Suominen   I agree with you Marcus, your story has definitely...   May 21 2008, 09:10 PM
- - black and white   This is the US legal definition of copyright. Not...   May 21 2008, 10:34 PM
- - petar64   I agree with you Marcus, but not in all points. F...   May 21 2008, 11:42 PM
- - Hisham Al-Sanea   nice topic Marcus i agree with you   May 22 2008, 09:14 AM
- - OrganisedConfusion   I had a question actually Marcus that I don't ...   May 22 2008, 09:15 AM
|- - OrganisedConfusion   QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ May 22 2008, 09...   May 22 2008, 01:13 PM
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- - Juan M. Valero   I don't think that copy kills music. The most ...   May 22 2008, 11:42 AM
- - OrganisedConfusion   But bands don't get to play big enough concert...   May 22 2008, 11:44 AM
- - Juan M. Valero   mmm yeah, that's true   May 22 2008, 11:57 AM
- - Trond Vold   I fully agree with everything you said Marcus. I ...   May 22 2008, 11:59 AM
- - OrganisedConfusion   I know a lot of signed bands early on which have t...   May 22 2008, 11:59 AM
- - Toni Suominen   Btw Marcus, do you know how albums leak to the int...   May 22 2008, 12:25 PM
- - superize   have been following this thread very much and afte...   May 22 2008, 12:58 PM
|- - OrganisedConfusion   QUOTE (superize @ May 22 2008, 12:58 PM) ...   May 22 2008, 01:01 PM
|- - superize   QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ May 22 2008, 02...   May 22 2008, 01:03 PM
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- - Marcus Siepen   Thanks a lot for all your comments guys. @ Petar...   May 22 2008, 01:06 PM
- - Marcus Siepen   Sorry, I didn't oversee your question, I just ...   May 23 2008, 10:21 AM
|- - blindwillie   QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ May 23 2008, 11:21...   May 23 2008, 12:53 PM
|- - Orlandun   I pretty much agree with everything Marcus said on...   May 23 2008, 09:06 PM
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- - OrganisedConfusion   I buy the live albums but some bands best shows ar...   May 23 2008, 10:31 AM
- - Marcus Siepen   I doubt, this would mean we would have to carry ou...   May 23 2008, 10:41 AM
- - OrganisedConfusion   Fair enough. I guess it is a lot of extra equipmen...   May 23 2008, 10:45 AM
- - Marcus Siepen   I absolutely agree with everything you said!   May 23 2008, 10:28 PM
- - Enucleation   I agree with Marcus on the download thing. I used ...   May 23 2008, 11:22 PM
- - Gerald   What if I listen to the radio and I make a tape of...   May 29 2008, 09:27 PM
- - Marcus Siepen   Recording music that is played on the radio is not...   Jun 1 2008, 05:30 PM
- - Marek Rojewski   Hmm I often download music, to try some bands, and...   Jun 2 2008, 11:02 AM
- - tonymiro   QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Jun 1 2008, 04:30 ...   Jun 2 2008, 11:45 AM
- - Gitarrero   Hi Everyone, being a new member I'd like to gi...   Jun 24 2008, 02:17 PM
- - Marcus Siepen   Giving away some songs for free for that limited t...   Jun 24 2008, 06:51 PM
- - Iron King   man, I just had an argument with a friend over thi...   Jun 25 2008, 10:52 AM
- - Canis   About internet as a promotion source: I think the ...   Jun 25 2008, 12:25 PM
|- - Gitarrero   QUOTE (Canis @ Jun 25 2008, 01:25 PM) Abo...   Jun 25 2008, 12:41 PM
|- - DeepRoots   QUOTE (Gitarrero @ Jun 25 2008, 12:41 PM)...   Jun 25 2008, 12:54 PM
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- - Marcus Siepen   Youtube is also a nice way to check out bands, but...   Jun 25 2008, 01:18 PM
- - tonymiro   YouTube has content deals with a lot of the big me...   Jun 25 2008, 03:26 PM
- - Marcus Siepen   I just read an article that said youtube is just b...   Jul 9 2008, 09:53 AM
|- - Henry Dietzel   QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Jul 9 2008, 04:53 ...   Aug 21 2008, 01:51 PM
|- - Marcus Siepen   hehe, I have never really been into Guns 'n...   Aug 24 2008, 12:07 PM
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- - Antonio23   i totally agree that music has become just consuma...   Aug 21 2008, 12:47 PM
- - Tiltil   "Copy kills music" is definitely a false...   Oct 1 2008, 10:20 AM
- - Marcus Siepen   No need to be sorry, better late than never   Oct 2 2008, 12:05 PM
- - Tono Fyr   A friend of mine likes to argue that I "Waste...   Jan 13 2009, 05:25 AM
- - kahall   I don't think I ever posted my thoughts on thi...   Jan 13 2009, 06:34 AM
- - utak3r   Let me tell about my point of view... Yes, I do d...   Jan 13 2009, 08:47 AM
- - enforcer   Well IMO, there are two aspect of this illegal dow...   Jan 13 2009, 01:31 PM
|- - audiopaal   QUOTE (enforcer @ Jan 13 2009, 01:31 PM) ...   Jan 13 2009, 02:28 PM
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- - tommyboy   Having dealt with this issue head on as a photogra...   Jan 13 2009, 02:57 PM
- - Jose Mena   Nice topic, it is old but I am glad someone revive...   Jan 22 2009, 10:55 PM
- - Marcus Siepen   Better believe it Jose, it really happened... Some...   Jan 23 2009, 07:10 PM
|- - 29a   Interesting topic indeed. I personally don't l...   Jan 29 2009, 08:48 PM
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- - Paiva   Hey cool thread I will just tell my example Well ...   Jan 29 2009, 09:12 PM
- - 29a   DVDs are cool. But most of them have bad audio qua...   Jan 30 2009, 02:02 PM
- - Marcus Siepen   I am not saying that nobody cares about music anym...   Jan 31 2009, 12:35 PM
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