Caught Between A Rock And A $1200 Budget, the search for versatility continues! |
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Oct 13 2007, 02:18 AM
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QUOTE (Spiderusalem @ Oct 12 2007, 08:14 PM)  I've been doing some research, and It almost seems to good to be true. surely you need some special cable or you need to install software into the guitar or something right? I mean, can it just plug into any amp or does line 6 make you use one of theirs? You can plug it into any amp. It needs a battery, or they provide a powered switch box. When you use it with a Vetta amp or Pod XT Live you can change guitar patches along with your effects patches which is really cool, but even without a Line 6 amp it is pretty good. Guitar simulations aren't perfect, but for instance you can switch from a convincing strat to a nice warm LP at the flick of a switch. It even does Banjo and Sitar  , and yuo can flick a switch to get alternate tunings
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Oct 13 2007, 08:07 AM
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Minor bit - as MickeyM says you may be able to get an Epi 335 (Sheraton) for your budget. As far as I know the big difference between a Gibson and an Epi - apart from the name on the headstock - is that the Epi is made from a pressed laminate. Still a nice semi but the tone arguably may not be as warm. As Botoxfox says Ibanez have made semis for decades. There is a George Benson (GB10 and GB 20) and I think a Pat Metheny signature. Yamaha also have made some nice semis in the past.
New quality semis and jazz guitars however are NOT cheap. 1200USD/500-600 UK sterling is nowadays about the entry level for one. Seriously a GOOD semi from a major name like Gibson will set you back easily double your budget or more. A Gibson L5CES or Gibson Byrdland (ie what many good jazz players would look at) would cost upwards from 4000USD, and maybe more like up from 6-7000USD. A good used one is NOT necessarily cheaper as these tend to age really well, are consequently really sought after and cost accordingly. If someone offers you a used Gibson quality semi cheap be CAREFUL as it may well need considerable attention. Having said all that it is possible to get a used Gibson 175/135/125 etc for a lot less then a used 335 - similarly ifyou go away from Gibson to less 'revered' names like Ibanez, Yamaha, Epiphone, Guild, D'Angelico etc you may again be able to get a really good one. They aren't necessarily bad nor is there necessarily anything wrong with them. They lack the kudos and in some instance build quality but still play ok. The main thing is what ever you are offered here go in with your eyes open and check the guitar out properly. Apart from jazz semis - along with the Line 6 Variax there is now also a Fender/Roland modeling guitar - if that's the way you wish to go. Line 6 is however a lot less money. You may also want to have a look at the numerous electrics that have an acoustic chamber. Tyler, PRS, Taylor all make some very good example and you may well be able to find one new or more likely second hand in your budget. Minor thing -as has been suggested already - you can play jazz, blues etc on any guitar - the guitar adds to what is already there but can't make up for what isn't. The guitar is say 20 per cent of the equation, your fingers, feel etc the other 80%. Have a look at Les Paul playing jazz on an LP; Chet Atkins playing anything; Larry Carlton playing blues on a 335; Ted Greene playing jazz on a tele; Frank Gambale playing fusion on an Ibanez prestige. The list goes on... That's not meant in a negative way, get a guitar that you want and like because what you play is largely really down to you. Cheers, Tony -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Oct 13 2007, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Oct 13 2007, 02:07 AM) But this is your opportunity Andrew to disagree with me, twice in a row agreeing with me, that would be scary. Be scared fkalich - think the second 'agree' is coming up here  . (At any rate I largely agree with you fwtw.)Cheers, Tony -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Oct 13 2007, 09:19 AM
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 . With you there .Now be scared. Cheers, Tony -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Oct 13 2007, 09:29 AM
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Ok, here it comes - I believe there is a fallacy in your logic.
Whilst you are correct about the laws of physics applying even to Schecters, I think you have assumed a best possible case scenario. Just because in the limit, any guitar should be able to have an equivalently low action set (I agree), there is many a slip twixt cup and lip. Some variables might be: o The quality of the luthiers/monkeys that set up the guitar at the factory o The amount of abuse the guitar has had in the shop o The perception of the person playing. Also, just because a guitar action can be set low, doesn't mean that it is set low - I would guess that you are more likely to get a more expensive guitar well setup out of the factory than a cheap one which may well add to the perception that certain guitars have a lower action. You play a Squier with undressed frets, set up by a factory monkey to have an action of about 3 inches, then pick up an Ibanez Prestige, setup by a decent tech in Japan, and blow me if there isn't a huge difference. With work, the squier could be set as low as the prestige of course. My basic point is that in the wild these things will vary, and I contend that more expensive guitars will get a better chance of being setup well. EDIT: Actually I do agree with your main point but twice in a day is a little much ... This post has been edited by Andrew Cockburn: Oct 13 2007, 09:30 AM -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Like you, I'm also looking for a new guitar, mainly to add another dimension of sound. And I can tell you, fact certain, that I'm going to get another Strat. It's a one of a kind, vintage sound -- immitated by many, but only accomplished by one.|
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Oct 15 2007, 06:09 AM
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you know what, put the money ii the bank and a year later u got bout 100 dollars more, leave it there for a few years, and u can get sommit amazing
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Oct 15 2007, 05:51 PM
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if you dont want to pay the massive prices for a gibson, try an epiphone les paul. ive played both epiphone and gibson LP's and my epiphone is amazing for the price. just change the pickups and your set for life. i play mostly metal so i went for EMG's in mine but Dimarzios and SD's are brilliant in les pauls.
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Oct 15 2007, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE (kevin-riff-after-riff @ Oct 15 2007, 07:09 AM) you know what, put the money ii the bank and a year later u got bout 100 dollars more, leave it there for a few years, and u can get sommit amazing I want the name of that bank, please! -------------------- My bands homepage
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Oct 18 2007, 04:58 PM
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I'd like to thank everyone who had input for me over the past week. I've finally settled on what I wanna get.
The Yamaha RGX-A2  Demo Style, Innovation, Versatility, L.E.D. Lights! I went into the store thinking I was just gonna try the lot of strats, teles, LP's, and 335's. Then I saw this on the wall by its lonesome. Soon, its gonna make me a very happy young man. -------------------- Equipment: Classical/Jazz hybrid guitar. blunt/black humor.
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Oct 18 2007, 06:09 PM
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Nice guitar, but where are the inlays, on the side?
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