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Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 12 2009, 03:42 PM

Upload your takes here.


For more information regarding this collaboration go http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=24558

Posted by: Sami Feb 13 2009, 12:24 AM

Here

 seqcollab_w__backing.mp3 ( 899.71K ) : 282

 seqcollab_w_o_backing.mp3 ( 896.04K ) : 211

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 13 2009, 12:34 AM

Thanks Sami
I sent you PM about your take

Posted by: Matich Feb 13 2009, 05:12 AM

*edit*

Posted by: ztevie Feb 13 2009, 08:31 AM

Tried this? http://lame.sourceforge.net/

Posted by: big harry Feb 13 2009, 08:54 AM

hey just a question

is this Lame encoder for reaper ?

thx
Harry

Posted by: ztevie Feb 13 2009, 09:10 AM

No, you export to wav from Reaper or whatever DAW you have. Then you use LAME to encode the wav-file to mp3.
Encoders built into DAW's are often not that good, many people claims there is a big difference if you export mp3 from Cubase for example vs another encoder... LAME is supposed to be one of the best encoders out there. It's very easy to use, you set the mp3 settings/quality you want in lame, then open it. Then you just drag the wav-file onto the lame-program and it's ready.. Don't use any resources from pc either.

Posted by: wrk Feb 13 2009, 09:40 AM

Here is my first take:
 wrk_Class_1_Sequence01.mp3 ( 968.2K ) : 262
 wrk_Class_1_Sequence01_nbt.mp3 ( 994.32K ) : 157


For the beginning i wanted to do something really simple. I have started with basic triad arpeggios and extended the lick each time a bit further. It's an interesting exercise to really think about each note and it's position in the chord. This is of course not my final take, so i just uploaded one file with backing track. Hope this is what you meant with sequence for this class.

Edit : uploaded guitar only take ..

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 13 2009, 10:52 AM

We are looking for sequence, very simple approach - you play an idea then move it trough the scale.
No improvising solo writing etc.
I will send you PM about it.




Sounds good Andy.
You combined motive development with sequence

This take would be A for this class, however you can do more takes with different number of notes and rhythms.

Good work man

Posted by: wrk Feb 13 2009, 11:05 AM

Ah, i see, now i get an idea what "motive development" means.

Sure i will upload more takes, at least continue to work using only this approach. In fact i don't have problems to find a lick for the first chord, but move this instantly to another chord is not easy. This is a good exercise for this. Thanks Pedja, this collab series will be so useful ...

Posted by: big harry Feb 13 2009, 12:18 PM

here is mine from yesterday
not finished yet, just posted it in my agenda to get sure what Pedja is meaning

still need to work on the execution, some notes are not pretty good

cya
Harry

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 13 2009, 03:03 PM

Motive development is awesome and you really nailed it in that attempt. I also think you could have started differently like I did to display some other sequence ideas as well.
This is perfect exercise as it forces you to think about your original idea, what the structure of it is, number of notes and melodic shape, and how to move it trough the scale

Thanks Andy I hope so too !



Beautiful Harry. Ideas are perfect just execution is a bit sloppy. I am sure if you record it one more time it would be perfect. Overall great example for everybody to hear what I am looking for

Posted by: Oxac Feb 13 2009, 04:42 PM

Here's mah takes

Oh, and the pickups used on this guitar is my first homemade that I really like. I think i've finally found a model that works

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 13 2009, 04:44 PM

Nice take but it doesn't contain 100% sequence in it unfortunately.

I want to hear an idea that gets moved trough chords. 4 times of same chord progression = 4 different ideas moved trough chords.


Listen to Andy's, Harry's and Emir's take - if you haven't already heard mine

Posted by: Oxac Feb 13 2009, 04:46 PM

Oh, I just thought that it should contain sequences (which it does). Not that it only should consist of sequences.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 13 2009, 04:49 PM

I see where you are coming from I heard sequences in your solo but I want just sequences isolated by them selves. It should be much easier then combining it with different elements which you did. For time being just 4 different sequences preferably

Posted by: Oxac Feb 13 2009, 04:50 PM

ok.. I'll make another entry another day. I've got stuff do to now (eat per example) I like the backing a lot, very smooth.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 13 2009, 04:51 PM

Awesome Oxac
Sorry if it wasn't clear in the first post. I look forward to your next one

Posted by: berko Feb 13 2009, 04:54 PM

Ok, my 1st attempt. I kept it simple first, the only jumping around that occurs is in the 3rd section. I only kept the root note as landing note in the 1st section, but I returned to the idea an octave higher in the very last one.

Playing is sloppy at some places because I still need to get used to such tone not as compressed as in overdrive and that has much dynamics.

I love this chord progression so I'll hope I'll be able to come up with more


 sequence_collab_berko.mp3 ( 549.31K ) : 181

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 13 2009, 05:04 PM

Beautiful ideas I like them. You need to clean up sloppy playing it will be great.

Also I don't know why you don't stop when the backing ends?
Most of takes so far (including Emir's) go after B and resolve to C# minor. This is cool when you play in a pop song context, but when backing track is there you have to start and end where you are supposed to do so - otherwise its extra work for me to delete your endings

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 13 2009, 05:09 PM

I just had that short note in the end, I can't just cut it like with scissors I think it won't be a problem if it enters into the next take.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 13 2009, 05:12 PM

Gotta love those scissors man

It could be a problem because I sort takes alphabetically, so if somebody after you enters on downbeat of 1, your extra note and his playing would overlap. Thats the only reason why I avoid it - becomes extra work to cut endings or change the order of soloists. I would rather focus on technical aspect, note choice , sound etc - you get the idea

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 13 2009, 05:15 PM

Sorry about that note, I can send again if you want without it. That note is exactly on the bar so just cut the take on the bar, that will take you half a sec to do it . I always do these things in my collabs, that's normal in mixing.

Posted by: berko Feb 13 2009, 05:16 PM

Ooops I wasn't thinking about a final mix but you're right. I'm going to do some other stuff and they'll be neater I hope

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 13 2009, 05:16 PM

Yeah no problem man. Little editing doesn't hurt

Posted by: big harry Feb 13 2009, 10:41 PM

Hey Stevie
just one more question about this Lame encoder
how does this thing work ? there is nothing to install or so
where do i need to copy the files in there ?

thx for the answer
Harry

Posted by: big harry Feb 14 2009, 12:41 PM

hey Pedja
here is a new take
i guess its much better now

what do you think ?

cya
Harry

Posted by: coloneldrew Feb 14 2009, 12:48 PM

Alright, I couldn't wait for a yes or no. Been working on this since I posted here last and I think its pretty decent. Not too bad for a rushed/excited/inspired/half-improvised job

If there are too many members then oh well. It was a good exercise. Got me to think a lot about where the duplications of phrases are. Thanks very much Pedja!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 14 2009, 05:01 PM

Great Harry - exactly what I was looking for !
Thank you



Drew your take sounds good !
You approached it a little differently as on last chord instead of playing sequence you created different idea. I think it would sound even more great if from that idea on the last chord you played, continue to sequence that same idea !
Overall you used everything that I asked but wouldn't mind hearing another take from you with just sequences

Posted by: big harry Feb 14 2009, 08:23 PM

THX a lot Mister Teacher
Great to hear such comments
now i can continue working on my blues solo lesson

maybe i try some more takes with different sequences if i get that damn blues solo in mind

cya later guys
Harry

Posted by: Canis Feb 14 2009, 10:57 PM

Here's my take, hope it passes
I can do a new one if it's not exactly what you were looking for

After reading all this about cutting endings, I cut mine, since the last note lasted longer then the backing track ^^

 Canis_Sequence_no_BT.mp3 ( 663.78K ) : 131

 Canis_Sequence_w_BT.mp3 ( 665.31K ) : 169

Posted by: coloneldrew Feb 14 2009, 11:48 PM

I'm confused by what you mean Pedja. I felt that the C minor sequencing was a little over-used throughout my take, so for the ending I decided to make it a nice little E Major feel. Don't know if I'll have time this week to get a new one down, but I'll try

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 14 2009, 11:59 PM

Let me try to explain


Chord progression was C#min/ B / A / B / X 4 !

Every time the B chord comes at the end you played something different. So you didn't stick to sequence 100% trough it. Thats what I was referring to, as I am trying everybody to focus on just sequence and moving their ideas trough chord progression.

Hope that makes sense.

By the way, your take and approach is fine with me I like it






I like ideas Canis and you did everything like I asked for
Like with Harry's first take, ideas are great but execution on some spots could be better - thats technical reference tough. I think if you record same thing one more time you will have everything clean all the way trough. Also make sure that your guitar is 100% in tune with backing track. I think your B string was a bit out of tune thats why I am mentioning that

Great ideas, if you get a chance record another one with same ideas, if not no worries I can use this




You welcome Harry. You deserve the praise for this one, great job.
Do more takes if you want to record more sequences I don't mind that at all -its extra credit thats all

Posted by: Velvet Roger Feb 15 2009, 10:59 PM

Here is a first 'simple' take from me. Just followed the sequence concept, nothing more or less and no fancy stuff at all.

Btw, I need to change my strings, as intonation is quite bad currently (sorry).

I will have loads to do during the next week, that's why I already uploaded this, will try to find some time to do something better.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 15 2009, 11:11 PM

Cool stuff Roger, exactly what I was looking for in this collaboration.

Doesn't have to be technical but everybody needs to nail the concept down, which you did.

Thanks

Posted by: Velvet Roger Feb 15 2009, 11:16 PM

That's exactly the reason why I posted this already

Posted by: JamesT Feb 16 2009, 12:30 AM

Berko, I was smiling by the time I got done listening to your take. Very nice!

Posted by: Mrblomme Feb 16 2009, 04:57 PM

Pedja, I'll pass.

I dont have that much time to record and it's pretty difficult to record here so it'll be for next time.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 16 2009, 05:05 PM

No problem man. There is a week left to record your take so if you decide to do it and find time, feel free to do so

Thanks

Posted by: JamesT Feb 17 2009, 03:10 AM

Here's my take Pedja. Looking forward to your feedback.

 20090216_Pedja_Seq_wBacking.mp3 ( 800.82K ) : 172

 20090216_Pedja_Seq_noBacking.mp3 ( 800.82K ) : 124



Jim.

Posted by: berko Feb 17 2009, 07:50 PM

So this is my 2nd take! Instead of jumping around and making the pop-cadence, this time I did some arpeggios and a little motive development as well. So Pedja instead of the first sloppy one, this could go into the final mix and so I provided the track without BT.

@JamesT
Thanks man! I've just listened to yours and I loved the joint between the first two motifs (when c#m kicks in the second time)! Great stuff overall...

 sequence_collab2_berko_w_BT.mp3 ( 849.51K ) : 154

 sequence_collab2_berko_noBT.mp3 ( 810.33K ) : 154

Posted by: Paiva Feb 17 2009, 08:00 PM

Here is another one
 Sequence_Collaboration_Backing2.mp3 ( 578.39K ) : 151


 Sequence_Collaboration_nBacking2.mp3 ( 578.39K ) : 148

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 17 2009, 08:37 PM

Great stuff Jim !
I really like it , well done.

One thing about your last sequence. You played over B chord that should be either Major or Dominant 7th chord in key of E major/C# natural minor - B major 7. Thats the only incorrect thing in the whole solo but your timing and ideas were great and very well executed !

If you want to record it with B7 arpeggio instead of B major 7 then go ahead do so. Otherwise I will count this as your final take.

Thanks Jim




Great stuff Berko

Flawless execution and excellent note choice. I will keep this one for final mix.

Great job once again man

Thanks



Paiva its very similar to your 1st take, I sent you PM about it

Posted by: Paiva Feb 17 2009, 09:30 PM

I managed to do the wrong thing in 2 takes so here is the 3rd one

 Sequence_Collaboration_nBacking3.mp3 ( 553.9K ) : 148



 Sequence_Collaboration_Backing3.mp3 ( 553.9K ) : 153

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 17 2009, 09:50 PM

Much better what I was looking for !

Idea of this collaboration is concept *soloing with sequence and note choice in your sequence.

You can record more takes if you like but I can use this

Posted by: JamesT Feb 18 2009, 02:27 AM

Pedja, thanks for pointing out that last chord. Man, you have a good ear!

I'll try to get it fixed in another take. I have to finish Emir's first, then hopefully, if there's time, I'll work on that last arpeggio.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 18 2009, 03:13 AM

You welcome Jim my pleasure man

I was referring to 00:27 and 00:32 - same chord but different chord type.
Just major or dominant 7th would work perfectly there.

Thanks Jim !

Posted by: JamesT Feb 18 2009, 03:28 AM

Pedja, I'm stuck.
Below are the notes that I played for that Bmaj arpeggio. In blue are the notes of the arpeggio, in yellow are both the A phrygian and B lydian scales. This is in the key of G where the relative minor is C#.

Which note should I play instead?

attachment=13713:BMaj_Arpeggio.bmp]

If I'm looking at this corectly, the arpeggio that I used is 1, 3, and 7.
This is taken right out of Joe Kataldo's (thanks Joe!) string skipping arpeggios, lesson, only transposed to the right key and over the right chords.


Maybe it was in the execution?

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 18 2009, 03:39 AM

No problem Jim we will resolve everything now.


C# minor B A B is the chord progression. Those chords come from C# natural minor which is related scale to E major scale.
Modes in E major or C# natural minor are

E ionian
F# dorian
G# phrygian
A lydian
B mixolydian
C# aeolian
D# locrian

So looking at your graph , you played B major 7th which happens either with Ionian or Lydian mode! The problem was, from B you were supposed to play B dominant 7th which happens only with Mixolydian mode.

In more simple terms - you need to lower your 7th by half step on that graph and everything would fit

Let me know if you have any more questions !

Thanks Jim

Posted by: JamesT Feb 18 2009, 03:54 AM

That does clear it up. I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote/thought key of G. That's another solo I'm working on or something. To be sure I understood your reply below, I went back and analyzed my take and sure enough it started with a C# aeolian run followed by the same in B mixolydian, then A lydian.

I'll go back and lower that 7th a half step and that should fix it. Give me till after the 20th though, cause that's when Emir's is due and I'm still working on the second half of that one.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 18 2009, 03:59 AM

No worries Jim

Just pay attention to B chord on 0:27 and after that at 0:31 in take you submitted. Lower the major 7th to minor 7th and it should be perfect.

5 more days left so I think you will make it no problem.

Thanks Jim !

Posted by: Fsgdjv Feb 18 2009, 02:55 PM

Here is my take. The tone is awful but that's because I use my pod that I hate and promised myself to never use again, but here I am now. Also somehow the guitar is a mono track and the backing is a stereo track, and I can see that it might be a problem. Tell me if this doesn't work and I'll try to record something new, I'm awful at recording, but I'm trying.

Just hope this works, even though I have a feeling it doesn't.

 Fsgdjv_wBT.mp3 ( 901.5K ) : 122

 Fsgdjv_woBT.mp3 ( 901.5K ) : 142

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 18 2009, 03:15 PM

Cool I like it !
You did everything I asked for , great work man.

One thing on the side note as I would mention is your first and second sequence sound very similar Everything else is cool. And your sound is not awful by the way.
I exported backing track mono as well so no worries

Thanks !

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 20 2009, 05:00 PM

Guys quick reminder !


There is 3 days left to submit your takes and lots of takes I am waiting for (15!). Here is a list of takes I expect :

1)OrganisedConfusion
2) Tolek
3) Enforcer
4) Ajmurrell
5) coffeeman
6) Marc_Maiden
7) lcdds
8) Jesse
9) Sami
10) Matich
11) audiopaal
12) Mandos
13) Dexxter
14) Oxac
15) Iluha


Guys who recorded so far are(11) :

wrk (Andy) , Emir Hot, big harry, JamesT, coloneldrew, Fsgdjv, Paiva, berko, Canis, Velvet Roger and Pedja Simovic .


Guys who backed out of collaboration :

Mrblomme and Sondre !


I hope everybody will make it as this should be piece of cake for you guys !

Thanks

Pedja

Posted by: Marc_Maiden Feb 20 2009, 09:21 PM

Pedja im in love with this collab! ive been so into just jamming on the backing, i havent had the chance to record it!


my take will be uploaded tonight!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 20 2009, 10:25 PM

Thats great to hear Marc !
I look forward to your recording

Posted by: wrk Feb 21 2009, 12:41 AM

Hi Pedja,

I practiced a lot with this backing track and the sequence idea and did some helpful experiences with this. It's a quite fun way to develop ideas and work on them .. for sure i will use this approach quite often now for other backings as well.

Here are two other takes:

 wrk_Class_1_Sequence03_wbt.mp3 ( 928.51K ) : 156
 wrk_Class_1_Sequence03_nbt.mp3 ( 871.4K ) : 143



This one is more out of fun .. i don't do tapping really often, so it's not extremely clean ... it's sound a bit like a traditional piccolo flute and not really as a guitar . I broke the rule in the 4th loop on the last chord, sorry
 wrk_Class_1_Sequence04_wbt.mp3 ( 904.93K ) : 143
 wrk_Class_1_Sequence04_nbt.mp3 ( 979.3K ) : 143

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 21 2009, 04:39 AM

I am waiting for about 10 as well in my collab. Some people cancelled. Looks like this month everyone was too busy or not in a mood for recording I extended my deadline until today noon but to be honest I was expecting more takes.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 21 2009, 04:42 AM

I know how you feel Emir, when students apply then don't submit I feel hurt a bit as I was counting on them to do it.
This month has been really crazy with continuation of MTP, Muris week (3 collabs + competition or something like that), then my and your collaboration... Yeah I can see why most people didn't make it for your collab, I hope guys will record for mine tough 2-3 more days left

Posted by: Emir Hot Feb 21 2009, 04:44 AM

I also have a bit more challenging track this time. Maybe that was also the reason. I am looking forward to your comments on my take

Posted by: enforcer Feb 21 2009, 05:02 AM

Hey Pedja! I will send my take in 23th bro, you can be sure that I am true to my word

Posted by: Mandos Feb 21 2009, 08:28 AM

Sorry, but I have to drop out. I have way to much stuff to do currently and I work all weekend.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 21 2009, 12:13 PM

Thats cool Can , I know you keep your word always



Would it matter if I extended deadline for day or two ?

Posted by: audiopaal Feb 22 2009, 02:42 AM

I have to drop out as well
I don't want to, but my new computer is delayed..
I'm getting sometime late next week hopefully. Until then I'm stuck on my girlfriends laptop and can't do much recording I'm afraid

But I'll come back strong on the next collab, I'm sorry!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 22 2009, 02:47 AM

Sorry to hear that Paal
Would it matter if I extended it couple of days ?

Posted by: Mandos Feb 22 2009, 08:56 AM

Not really no, since I'm going out of down early next week. I'll try to be able to participate in the next one.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 22 2009, 05:04 PM

Sorry to hear that. Well I will be expecting you in the next one then

Posted by: Dexxter Feb 22 2009, 10:47 PM

Here's my sequences, Pedja

[attachment=13857:Dexxter_...ence_WBT.mp3]
[attachment=13858:Dexxter_...ence_NBT.mp3]

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 23 2009, 12:15 AM

Great Dexxter !
Thank you

Ok guys here is the deal !

Since there is lot of you who didn't submit your takes yet, I have decided to extend the deadline for collaboration.

You now have extra 2 days to submit your take.
Wednesday 25th is the deadline guys.

Good luck and enjoy the backing

Posted by: Sami Feb 23 2009, 12:42 AM

I hope this one is okay =/

 seqcollab2.mp3 ( 601.14K ) : 137

 seqcollab2_nobt.mp3 ( 598.69K ) : 115

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 23 2009, 12:56 AM

Yes it works now !
Thanks Sami

Posted by: Marc_Maiden Feb 23 2009, 02:29 AM

sorry it took so long!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 23 2009, 02:32 AM

Thanks Marc !

Quite interesting things happening in there even tough you didn't stick 100% with what I was looking for

Posted by: JamesT Feb 23 2009, 03:48 AM

Hi Pedja:
I went ahead and corrected that one error with the B7 arepeggios at the end.
Here are the uploads. It makes a subtle difference, but now when I listen to the first take, I can hear that the maj 7th chords do sound a little out of place.

 20090222_Pedja_Seq_wBacking.mp3 ( 801.43K ) : 146

 20090222_Pedja_Seq_noBacking.mp3 ( 801.43K ) : 125



Jim.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 23 2009, 08:20 PM

Hi Jim !

I am glad you corrected Bmaj7 to B7 arpeggio, sounds perfect now.

Thanks for submitting that extra take

Posted by: GrannyKiller Feb 24 2009, 08:42 PM

Finally, here are my takes...

Note the sound is quite over-driven, and may sound compressed but it was the only sound i found suitable for the sequences I thought of...

I mixed the track in Adobe Audition, recorded directly from the Boss GT-10's USB interface, and added a bit of echo. The guitar-only track just has a bit of reverb from the GT-10.

I'm very new to Audition so if anyone has some useful links regarding it, let me know

Pedja, let me know if there are any problems with the tracks.

Posted by: GrannyKiller Feb 24 2009, 09:24 PM

Awesome stuff man!

Posted by: enforcer Feb 25 2009, 01:02 AM

There you go Pedja, a little sloppy and some tiny timing errors (especially on 6ths part) but at least I kept my word

Each sequence is based on a different interval compared to root, first is the 3rd, second is the 5th, third is the 6th ascending, and last one is the root.

Hope I could do it right, and you like my sequences

Cheers

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 25 2009, 03:48 AM

Great I think you did very good job with it. In final comments I will tell you more things about it

Thanks for submitting your take!



Can, this is some really cool sequences, you did great man.
I will have things to say about it in final mix

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 25 2009, 03:53 AM

Nice take Can the Man!!

Posted by: enforcer Feb 25 2009, 03:57 AM

and cool new avatar from Monte indeed

Posted by: GrannyKiller Feb 25 2009, 01:44 PM

Fantastic sequences man, really soulful. I'll try to learn these. Hope you don't mind if I copy you...

Posted by: enforcer Feb 25 2009, 01:55 PM

No problem mate, if you have questions feel free to ask

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 25 2009, 02:08 PM

Guys lesson on sequence collaboration is live on main page today. Check it out http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/sequence_collaboration_solo/

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 26 2009, 04:07 AM

Hi pedja. I'm not sure which one is the one without the BT but you'll figure it out. You have a 50/50 chance at getting it right. Sorry for the sloppy playing, I didn't have alot of time to practice this, only about 10 minutes. I will do better on the next one.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 26 2009, 04:20 AM

Great Monte , thank you - great job !

Posted by: Tolek Feb 26 2009, 03:37 PM

Finally, here is my take! Sorry for the delay again!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 26 2009, 05:22 PM

Cool Tolek - glad you made it man

Posted by: enforcer Feb 26 2009, 06:53 PM

I cant wait for the final mix this will be great!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Feb 26 2009, 10:45 PM

Me too

It should be ready by Saturday - I will give my best with all the comments as usual