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Posted by: Slammer Apr 27 2008, 09:20 PM

Seeing the other thread with the Silly Rolling Stone list. I thought I'd post the List that seams to make the most sense.

Now For this list you must understand That they Made a Criteria for it and that is...

Criteria: Guitarists are ranked for their

impact
influence
creativity
versatility
originality
technical skill
and lasting
popularity in the genre of Rock guitar.

Based on that Criteria I can Understand why Hendrix is #1 and so on.

Compared to the Rolling Stone List, I believe this one makes alot more sense, now alot of you may not agree with it all, but you must remember that a list is just a list, and keep the Criteria in mind as you read.

Here it is. (*=R.I.P.)

1. Jimi Hendrix* - Jimi Hendrix Experience
2. Eric Clapton - Yardbirds, Cream, Derek & The Dominos, Solo
3. Jimmy Page - Yardbirds, Led Zeppelin, The Firm
4. Jeff Beck - Yardbirds, Jeff Beck Group, Solo
5. Eddie Van Halen - Van Halen
6. Stevie Ray Vaughan* - Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble
7. Joe Satriani - Solo
8. Ritchie Blackmore - Deep Purple, Rainbow, Blackmores Night
9. Steve Vai - David Lee Roth, Whitesnake, Solo
10. David Gilmour - Pink Floyd, Solo
11. John Petrucci - Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment
12. Randy Rhoads* - Quiet Riot, Ozzy
13. Allan Holdsworth - Solo
14. Paul Gilbert - Mr. Big, Racer X, Solo
15. Yngwie Malmsteen - Rising Force, Solo
16. Phil Keaggy - Glass Harp, Solo
17. Jason Becker - Cacophony, David Lee Roth Band, Solo
18. John Mclaughlin- Mahavishnu Orchestra
19. Duane Allman* - Allman Brothers Band, Derek & the Dominos
20. Chuck Berry - Solo
21. Eric Johnson - Solo
22. Steve Howe - Yes, Solo
23. Neal Schon - Santana, Journey, Solo
24. Brian May - Queen
25. Gary Moore - Thin Lizzy, Colosseum II, Skid Row, Solo
26. Bo Diddley - Solo
27. Steve Morse - Deep Purple, Dixie Dregs, Steve Morse Band, Solo
28. Carlos Santana - Santana
29. Tony Iommi - Black Sabbath
30. Buckethead - Solo, Praxis, Thanatopsis, The Deli Creeps, Cornbugs, GNR,
31. Mark Knopfler - Dire Straits, Solo
32. Marty Friedman - Cacophony, Megadeth, Solo
33. Nuno Bettencourt - Extreme, Mourning Widows
34. Shawn Lane* - Black Oak Arkansas, Willy, Solo
35. Kirk Hammett - Metallica
36. Uli Jon Roth - Scorpions, Solo
37. Terry Kath* - Chicago Transit Authority
38. Alex Lifeson - Rush
39. Frank Zappa* - Mothers of Invention, Solo
40. Rory Gallagher* - Solo
41. Dimebag Darrell* - Pantera
42. Peter Green - Fleetwood Mac, Solo
43. Robin Trower - Procal Harum, Solo
44. Slash - Guns N' Roses, Slash's Snakepit, Velvet Revolver
45. Mick Taylor - John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, Rolling Stones
46. Robert Fripp - King Crimson
47. Tom Morello - Rage Against the Machine, Audioslave
48. Michael Schenker - Scorpions, UFO, MSG, Contraband
49. Ry Cooder - Solo
50. Angus Young - AC/DC
51. Keith Richards - Rolling Stones, Solo
52. Michael Angelo Batio - Nitro, Solo
53. John Squire - Stone Roses
54. Pete Townshend - The Who
55. Steve Hackett - Genisis
56. Zakk Wylde - Ozzy Osbourne, Black Label Society
57. George Harrison* - Beatles, Traveling Wilberys, Solo
58. Alvin Lee - Ten Years After
59. Dave Davies - Kinks
60. Jerry Cantrell - Alice In Chains, Solo
61. Steve Stevens - Billy Idol
62. Johnny Winter - Solo
63. Dickie Betts - Allman Brothers Band, Dickey Betts & Great Southern
64. John Cipollina* - Quicksilver Messenger Service
65. Kenny Wayne Shepherd - Kenny Wayne Shepherd Band
66. Steve Cropper - Booker T. & MG's/Stax sessions
67. Adrian Belew - King Crimson
68. Joe Bonamassa - Solo
69. Steve Lukather - Toto, Solo
70. Jerry Garcia* - Grateful Dead
71. Joe Perry - Aerosmith
72. Prince - Prince & The Revolution
73. Kim Mitchell - Max Webster, Solo
74. Adrian Smith - Iron Maiden
75. Dave Murray - Iron Maiden
76. Neil Young - Buffalo Springfield, CSNY, Solo
77. Billy Gibbons - ZZ Top
78. Tony MacAlpine - Solo
79. Mike McCready - Pearl Jam
80. Adam Jones - Tool
81. Gary Hoey - Solo
82. Leslie West - Mountain, Solo
83. Peter Frampton - Humble Pie, Frampton's Camel, Solo
84. Dick Dale - Del-Tones
85. Vito Bratta - White Lion
86. Mickey "Guitar" Baker - 50's sessions/ Mickey & Sylvia
87. John Frusciante - Red Hot Chili Peppers
88. Ronnie Montrose - Montrose, Edgar Winter Group
89. Mick Ronson* - David Bowie, Solo
90. Roy Buchanan* - Solo
91. Warren Haynes - Allman Brothers Band, Gov't Mule
92. Vinnie Moore - Alice Cooper, Solo
93. Robbie Krieger - Doors, Solo
94. Chris DeGarmo - Queensryche
95. Jake E. Lee - Cutting Crew, Ozzy, Badlands, Solo
96. Glen Tipton - Judas Priest
97. Joe Walsh - James Gang, Eagles, Solo
98. K.K. Downing - Judas Priest
99. Eddie Hazel* - Funkadelic
100. Alex Skolnick - Testament

Posted by: shellshock1911 Apr 27 2008, 09:23 PM

This list may still have a few flaws, but overall is 150x better. Actually overall the list is very good, except for the top 5 really, those are almost a given, I didn't even have to guess. I think they are all overrated hugely.

Posted by: The Uncreator Apr 27 2008, 09:24 PM

lol, Once again, a terrible list

Hendrix wasnt that technical, or versatile really, These lists will never satisfy me

Posted by: JVM Apr 27 2008, 09:32 PM

Still really bad. Look at the end, how is prince ahead of billy gibbons and john frusciante? Prince is a great guitar player but billy and john both have done classic stuff thats easily top 20 worthy. I don't see how vai is ahead of petrucci (or dave gilmour either). I also don't see how kirk hammet, slash and tom morello are so low.

But then thats just me picking favorites

Posted by: chast Apr 27 2008, 09:33 PM

That may be correct, BUT at time when Jimi Hendrix was alive he probably had the best technique.
I don't like that list that much, but it is really a lot better than the Rolling Stones one.

Posted by: Slammer Apr 27 2008, 09:36 PM

btw here is the link with the top 101-200 http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_newguitar.html

Posted by: bladzerok Apr 27 2008, 09:38 PM

i think this list make a lot of sense to the eye (and ears) of his creator

the point is that everyone have their favorites musicians so its about impossible to create a list of the real top 100 best guitarists, only a list about our favorite 10 guitariste that THAT WE KNOW.

Posted by: JVM Apr 27 2008, 09:46 PM

I think a list should be done alphabetically and split into sections like so:

Top 10

Top 11-25

Top 26-50

Top 51-100

This way we establish four ranks of amazing guitar players. To be in the top ten you have to score highly on all or most criteria (averaged) and then the other three ranks slightly loosen the average required for each drop. The criteria would be something like:

Technical ability (with consideration to their time period, for example, clapton would score highly in technique because in his day he was perhaps the fastest guitar player around)

Popularity (generally meaning records sold, again with respect to time period whereas earlier artists may have sold very highly for their day but that number may not be so high compared to today with all of our marketing and such)

Influence/Originality (sort of like popularity, but mostly meaning guys who popularize certain things, like eddie popularizing tapping, or Iommi popularizing the beginnings of metal.. so basically influence/popularity within the guitar community where popularity would be in general)

And the list would have to be remade every decade or so to account for new people on the scene, or extra stuff older people have put out that could change their position on the list. All three of the above criteria are based in fact.

Posted by: Slammer Apr 27 2008, 10:05 PM

I Figured you'd say something like that.

Can't say I agree, but nothing wrong with that.

GMC would be boring if everyone only liked certain guitarists, or everyone thought one player was the "Best".

The fact guys is like this list, Everything is very Subjective. There will Never be a list that everyone will agree with, but the reason I think this list is good is because it actually makes sense, as far as having players like Vai or Satch, Gilbert, etc. Actually in it compared to the RS list which didn't even Mention them.

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Apr 27 2008, 10:10 PM

I've made posts linked to this site before. There are many other lists there if you go to digitaldreamdoor.com

Posted by: RIP Dime Apr 27 2008, 10:31 PM

Why? Why do people have such a need for these lists, no one list can be correct, that list is the opinion of it's creator, nothing more. There will never be a list that will satisfy everyone, but I guess it's good for people who want to find new music.
I used to lurk the DDD forums and post occasionally years ago, dunno if it's changed, but wow, that place was full of music snobs. Everyone thought their tastes were superior, and almost all of them had no respect for others opinions. Really makes you appreciate GMC.

Posted by: Gus Apr 27 2008, 11:53 PM

Two things out of discussion:
1) This makes way more sense than the Rolling stone one
2) This is not perfect

But really, one thing that should be avoided in those lists is exactly what people want to see: the ranking

Remove the ranking... Than this list pretty much makes sense.
Everyone can name his own 1st, 2nd and 3rd preferred guitarist.
But do you really think about why you would rank someone in 30th or 70th??? Does it really make a difference to you?

By the way, the 44th is my 2nd preferred. So forget about ranks after all. Just make a list in alphabetical order of great guitarists, with information about why they were great... That would be the best list of great guitarist ever created...

Posted by: Fsgdjv Apr 28 2008, 06:15 PM

Well list's are awesome. Bitching about them isn't.


(Bitching about people bitching about lists is really awesome though.)

Posted by: Enucleation Apr 28 2008, 07:45 PM

I didnt really read it, more like scrolled through it and saw a couple of names and stuff but dude... Paul Gilbert should be over Van Halen, I think.

But we can go back and forth all day I guess.

Posted by: Nemanja Filipovic Apr 28 2008, 08:02 PM

I think that there is not possibility that two people in the world agree in the top 100 list,even to 10.Witch is normal thing,couse,we all are individuals with different taste,and some thing we like others do not.
so,IMO making a "top list" in art category is very hard,art should be a bout what you like amd what awake emotions in you.

Posted by: Danilo Capezzuto Apr 29 2008, 01:28 AM

You are right Nemanja, words of wisdom!

Posted by: Marcus Siepen Apr 29 2008, 08:49 PM

I think all lists like this are useless, but this one is much better in my opinion that this one from the Rolling Stone...

Posted by: Pablo Vazquez Apr 29 2008, 08:51 PM

+1

Posted by: VinceG Apr 30 2008, 01:42 AM

My question is, is the title of a "great guitarist" are only seen as the once solo's or does leads or something. I've never really see anyone make a list that has a rhythm based player in any great guitarist list. Most of the people that are crowned as a great guitar player usually plays leads and solos. I guess theres no love for rhythm anymore. I'll choose being rhythm over lead any time of the day btw .

Posted by: Guitarman700 Apr 30 2008, 01:44 AM

Amen to that. a band can survive without a soloist, but not without rhythm.

Posted by: JVM Apr 30 2008, 01:46 AM

There's definitely some great riffers up there.. hendrix, page, chuck berry, iommi, dimebag

Posted by: VinceG Apr 30 2008, 02:16 AM

yea but aren't they more known for soloers more than riffers. And plus, there the only guitarist in there band, so they have to play both sides. I'm talking about 2 guitarist kinda bands, one does riff the other does the soloing part. Like Anthrax and Gorguts.

Posted by: JVM Apr 30 2008, 02:21 AM

I would think someone who can do both would be preferred over someone who can only do one well. I mean there's plenty of players missing from the list though, of course

Posted by: VinceG Apr 30 2008, 02:23 AM

Well thats not the point though. I was just trying to ask or maybe seek the answer as to why rhythm based players aren't well thought off as a soloist player.

Posted by: Gus Apr 30 2008, 06:42 AM

I think it is hard to see the technicality of a guitarist if he does not play solo.

Take James Hetfield for example. He has so many good rhythm stuff
But he recorded the solo from Nothing Else Matters. From that one piece, you can see he is good in soloing as well, but he hardly can show it. By the way he is in that list at some point, after 100...

Some guys that are the only guitarist, I admire more for their rhythm work than solo, such as John Frusciante.

Posted by: Flanger Apr 30 2008, 08:03 AM

No Frank Gambale in the list.

Posted by: blindwillie Apr 30 2008, 01:47 PM

This list makes sense. The ranking for each individual could be argued infinitly but overall it's OK.
Never liked Jimi but doing what he did when he did it... he was influential.
Some are more skilled, some make better music, some have more impact and some are more influential.

The #2 - #4 spots are interesting, The Yardbirds. Does that make Yardbirds the greatest, most influential band ever with most fans and followers? Hardly, but still interesting.

That depends. I don't give a rats behind for a soloist. It's in the RIFFS 'N RHYTHM!

Posted by: Fran Apr 30 2008, 09:11 PM

No list is perfect and everyone has his own taste, but this list is much better than RS's by far!