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Posted by: Spiderusalem Oct 31 2007, 04:04 AM

No dirty minds allowed here, but yeah thats the way I think of them. Guitars are female, and the thing they give birth to is our signal. It escapes their mahogony womb and grows up through cables and distortions, until it can come out and become what we have come to know as "our tone". Its a beautiful process.

We love them for their beauty, their endearing flaws, their voice, and they way they feel. Think about it.

So a word to you gentlemen. Treat your ladies right



lol sorry I'm being weird again.

Posted by: Ryan Oct 31 2007, 04:07 AM

All guitars are girls. Wow, those are some mean, and very aggressive girls (thinking of Heavy Metal). I wouldnt want to date one of them!!

Posted by: The Uncreator Oct 31 2007, 04:08 AM

Jesus, i wonder what kinda girl Karl Sanders (Nile) custom KXK guitar is

Posted by: Ryan Oct 31 2007, 04:10 AM

Haha, all them Heavy metal girl/guitars are very abused. Someone needs to call the cops!!

Posted by: Spiderusalem Oct 31 2007, 04:11 AM

Yes. Some of them are mean, very agressive, wholely unforgiving, and very high maintenance. Just like real women

Posted by: The Uncreator Oct 31 2007, 04:12 AM

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Posted by: Ryan Oct 31 2007, 04:15 AM

Haha, aint that the truth!!

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Oct 31 2007, 04:24 AM

Remember there are real women reading this whom we don't want to offend ...

Posted by: Ryan Oct 31 2007, 04:24 AM

Yeah, ahh but we got the rocker women, there different

Posted by: mattacuk Oct 31 2007, 04:35 AM

Hmmm, I will play it safe in this thread.... No comment !!

Posted by: ActiveX Oct 31 2007, 05:39 AM

Ya, and the women I've met here have something called a SENSE OF HUMOR!
Seriously, we are all friends here; friends rip on each other, and it's all in good fun.
As long as no one goes over the line and personally attacks someone, I say bring it on!
Some people these days are WAY too sensitive! It's ok to make jokes about female stereotypes,
and it's ok for the girls to make fun of us guys for how much we smell, how much we belch, how lazy we are,
etc, etc...
I won't be offended, I promise...I hear it every day from my wife!

Posted by: Ryan Oct 31 2007, 05:52 AM

Haha true, oh so true about the sensitivity thing. People now adays are just a "bunch of little girls" (figure of speech). They will cry about anything. Guys dont smell haha. ONLY there rooms do!!

Posted by: MickeM Oct 31 2007, 07:12 AM

I knew a lady once who said to me she could really envy a guitar, how well it was treated in the hands of it's owner, the guitarist.

I don't see my guitar as a woman, but I can fully understand your point of view spiderusalem, aswell as my lady friend. So this time you contributed with a very sensable post

Posted by: Spiderusalem Oct 31 2007, 08:13 AM

yeah it happens every once in a while that what I say actually means something. very rare though.

Posted by: The Uncreator Oct 31 2007, 08:25 AM

We treasure it though

Posted by: FretDancer69 Oct 31 2007, 01:00 PM

Right On!!!!

Posted by: swingline Oct 31 2007, 01:15 PM

My guitars not male or female....
ITS A BEAST!!!!!

Posted by: rokchik Oct 31 2007, 09:07 PM

I never put much stalk into how I refered to my guitar, but a while ago I realized I did refer to my Les Paul as "he". I guess it's due to the shear weight and how deep and throaty the tone is. Just seems like a boy guitar to me. Still haven't named him though

But Spiderusalem the philosophy you mentioned is true for most I think. And not only with guitars...most men I know refer to their cars, motorcycle or whatever their prized possesions are as feminin. However I believe if most cared for the women in their lives like they care for these possesions, with the love and respect, the world would be a much happier place



This is true for both sides of the coin my friend. But don't get me started on the double standards between men and women All I'll say is there are jerks in both sexes.

Posted by: PlayAllDay Oct 31 2007, 09:16 PM

Does that mean if I bring one of my guitars to bed with us my man gets one of his dearest fantasies fulfilled???

Posted by: rokchik Oct 31 2007, 09:21 PM

That is too funny girl! If that's the case I gotta get a bigger bed as I'd have to sleep next to a motorcycle!

But seriously...why do people refer to stuff in the feminine?

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 31 2007, 09:36 PM

This topic seems a little "on the border".

Luckily for us we have very understanding female members - thank you Rokchik and Playallday.

Let's not test their understanding too much - ok?

Posted by: tonymiro Oct 31 2007, 11:05 PM

Just to try to answer this at a theoretical level - albeit I'm going to broadbrush and simplify this to keep it very short. We are, to paraphrase Helene Cixous, born in to language, it helps define and helps delimit us. It's a form of objectification of 'the other' (l'autre as the French term it - in this case the female as 'the other' that is symbolically crossed-out).

Objectification connotes ownership and control and also means that the person who objectifies 'the other' is empowered, whilst 'the other' becomes (or is repeatedly made) less human. It in itself rests on an (ab)use or (mis-)exercise of power that helps maintain - and is itself maintained by - an asymmetric society. Now whilst some may argue that 'the other' may use the same language misses the asymmetric power relationship here: there is no level playing field. The first is an abusive exercise of the dominant, the second an attempt at a recuperation of language and subject status and/or a resistance to the near reification by 'the other'. This recuperation and/or resistance occurs because language and meaning as praxis are not fixed and hence there cannot be total domination. cf Hegel's 'Phenomenology of Spirit' and pretty much all of 20thC Continental Philosophy's interpretations and reactions to that work.

At a theoretical level apart from Cixous (and Cixous with Christine Clement - 'La Jeune Fille') a few others worth looking at are: Julia Kristeva (particularly 'Revolution in Poetic Language'), Luce Irigaray ('This sex which is not one'), Michel Foucault ('Discipline and Punish'), Jacques Derrida ('Writing and Difference') and Judith Butler ('Bodies that Matter').

Cheers,
Tony



ps - apologies Kris and others - just thought that Rok's Q was worth an answer

Posted by: rokchik Oct 31 2007, 11:45 PM

Thanks Tony..I always wondered why that was.(also gave me some interesting liturature to check out) I mean ships, cars etc are always refered to in the feminine sense but I never understood why....although correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Germany refers to things in the Masculine. But either way it's an interesting debate.

rok

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Nov 1 2007, 12:02 AM

I agree.



Exactly!

Posted by: Spiderusalem Nov 1 2007, 03:06 AM

Amen. I'll go as far as to say that men can be much worse, more often.




Pretty much




Why not?




Yeah I tend to do that

luckily though, years of crossing that line and being burned for it have taught me a lesson or two about keeping a controversial subject civil.

And I think we have some of the coolest ladies in the world on these forums. I think they're cool with it =P

Posted by: MickeM Nov 1 2007, 03:57 AM

I'll say something here to even things up a bit

ALL MEN ARE PIGS!

There... I'd say we're pretty much in balance again.


And thanks to the ladies for putting up with us (read Spiderusalem lol)

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Nov 1 2007, 03:59 AM

Now I'm forced to swing into action and be even handed ...

MickeM, Please don't be rude about men

Posted by: Ryan Nov 1 2007, 04:06 AM

I 2nd that, I dont roll around in mud, or snort!!

Posted by: botoxfox Nov 1 2007, 04:08 AM

I do...

Posted by: Ryan Nov 1 2007, 04:09 AM

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 1 2007, 04:20 AM

I think guitars are females or males if you want them to be. I got a "Male" namd one and a "Female" named one.

Posted by: MickeM Nov 1 2007, 04:30 AM

I know tonymiro gave an answer already but since I didn't understand a word of what he said I'll give one too. Sorry Tony


About cars, boats (which I think have complicated unwritten rules aswell about what they should be called), guitars, it's not always female naming but could also be a name that represents a power within the object. Like Thunder, Speed demon, Nuke, to tell us something about abuilt in power. A guitar with pickups that glow since their output is enormous, a very fast racecar, a strong towboat.
Others objects that we wish to love (historically built by men for men), like a guitar, was build with round appealing feminine attributes to please a man. Hence the normal would be to give what we understand as feminine by form, shape, color, tone or whatever with a feminine name.
Like yourself, you looked for a masculine charcteristics in your guitar, the growling (or what you said?) and therefore could see it as a man.

I'd find it odd for example if I had a very edgy, pointy, agressive shaped guitar and give it a female namn, I'd rather call such a guitar Hurricane, Spiky, Killer Death Knife or something

I suspect all comes down to Freud in the end. How odd would it be if Andrew called his JEM Micke, or I called my guitat Andrew. People would draw conclusions from that and say - They gave their guitars masculine names, they are gay! (ok, maybe a bit exaggerated but I think the point was clear)

I don't name my guitars btw, I really don't see any reason to name an object unless I had dozens of guitars and a roadie I could send for errands to tune em, fetch em etc. But then I think I'd rather just callem them for what they were - Get me the green one, I'm performing with that one tonight. Keep the dented one as backup!

... on the other hand I name people on my street, colleagues etc

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Nov 1 2007, 04:34 AM

Ah yes so true, we are working hard to get more male activity on the forum as well!

Posted by: MickeM Nov 1 2007, 04:35 AM

Just to proove what I said. Is the male one named after a beast or fiction figure that can slice an enemy in 100 pieces with his sword in 1 second and the female from a sweet appealing woman. ...or sweet appealing fiction figure who can slice... you get the point? Male = agressive or powerful, Female = sexy and appealing

i'm sure you didn't name the male one with one of your buddies in mind.

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 1 2007, 04:39 AM

His name would be Unas.

Unas was an egyptian pharoah who supposedly swallowed the souls of dead or dying gods, its also a Nile Song "Unas Slayer Of The Gods", i named it so becuase it used strictly for low tunings such as Drop A, Like what Nile play in

and "Her" name would be Alyx.

Named after the character in Half-Life 2, she doesnt look like it, but she can put out some serious hurt on an enemy, much like my guitar, doesnt seem like it would be used for heavy stuff, but it has a monsterous tone. That and both are hot.

Posted by: Spiderusalem Nov 1 2007, 04:41 AM

LOL

Nothing wrong with that

Yeah I understand that not everyone see's their guitars as female. But thats the way I see them. Even the aggresive ones. Like I said, to me they are the mothers of our signal.

I named my guitar "Jane" after a woman in my theater company. I had a huge crush on her when I was 18. the problem was she was 36 (but looked 20, she was asian). Do the math, she was twice my age at the time. She was beyond me in experience and whatnot. Thats the way I see my guitar. Its so much power and so much potential and so much beauty that I see it as beyond me, something that I'll have to grow into.

Posted by: MickeM Nov 1 2007, 04:56 AM

There's also a creature in Stargate SG-1 are called Unas.

But I think my saying wa close enough. Unas, a slayer. Alyx, a curvy and stong figure.

Posted by: Asphyxia Feeling Nov 1 2007, 05:02 AM

you always post weird, yet insightful topics. WINNAR!

Posted by: thefireball May 21 2010, 08:53 PM

Not mine. Mine are guys. Never thought of them as girls. That way, when I talk to them, they are all my level.

Yes, I talk to my guitars.

Posted by: jstcrsn May 21 2010, 10:54 PM

I only refer to my things in the feminine , because like my wife ,I want to put my hands all over her

Posted by: jstcrsn May 22 2010, 01:00 AM

hey- some one finally got andrew to pipe in the forum

Posted by: zen May 22 2010, 01:02 AM

Level ??

Posted by: thefireball May 22 2010, 02:54 AM

QUOTE (thefireball @ May 22 2010, 05:53 AM) *
Not mine. Mine are guys. Never thought of them as girls. That way, when I talk to them, they are all my level.

Yes, I talk to my guitars.

Thinking like a guy. You know, you have buddies who are guys, so my guitars are like buddies.

Posted by: Azzaboi May 25 2010, 07:26 AM

I agree, all guitars are female, know if only they could reproduce asexually creating a genetically-similar or identical copy of itself. Oops no dirty mind!