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Apr 17 2015, 08:47 PM
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I'm definitely in, give me a few more days please.
Another thing a lot of people don't realise is how much the "volume" knob on the guitar changes the sound. Many, myself included until recently; use it more like and on/off device. Maybe that could be discussed/explained a little. Thanks Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE  “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Apr 17 2015, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE (Beat Zbinden @ Apr 17 2015, 02:21 PM)  Hi This is my Sound for this Backing Track. I work with the Fractal Audio AXE FX Mark 2 The Sound is based on Marshall JTM 45 with a Drive in Front and a Ping Pong Delay and a Reverb. Direct in Logic X. My Guitar is a Ibanez JEM 7V Cool Beat, this is spot on. To me this tone fits the mix and backing great - and the sound and distortion character is tasty and seems to match your style well. I have a slight feeling you could glue your better with the rest of the instruments. I am not speaking about an EQ problem or anything like that - I think the solution is simply to lower volume of your guitar a tiny bit. You could aim to have it the same volume as the snare hits. Kick and snare seem to be the loudest instruments of the backing track. I am listening with (studio) headphones now - and it would be interesting to hear what others think. QUOTE (Phil66 @ Apr 17 2015, 08:47 PM) I'm definitely in, give me a few more days please. Another thing a lot of people don't realise is how much the "volume" knob on the guitar changes the sound. Many, myself included until recently; use it more like and on/off device. Maybe that could be discussed/explained a little. Thanks Phil Excellent Phil, looking forward to it. And thanks for coming up with the idea of this workshop here.  And yep I think we will come to discussing the volume knob as it's such an integral part of tweaking sound. QUOTE (Mertay @ Apr 17 2015, 09:22 AM) Ah ok, the problem is with the orange amp you're distorting your modulation FX (reverb/delay etc.) probably thats why you didn't like the sound. Turn them off from the digitech and if you like, then the orange can be distorted more. They can be added to the end of chain as Kristofer mentioned. I'm all for tone experimentation, using amps from processor for overdriving your orange amp is a cool idea but not sure about usings cab.s. They are essentially filters yes but try tweaking the tone with disabling them from processor (if you're going to use the orange's cab. for recording) and use eq's if possible cause as you progress or use more analog gear in the future this will be your approach to tone. @ Alex - Mertay has a good point here. But don't worry too much about it, let's just take it step by step and I am quite sure we'll see see a significant improvement of your sound. I am looking forward to hearing that direct recording we spoke about! |
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Apr 17 2015, 10:29 PM
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Here's a quick improv over the track.
I use BIAS from Positive grid. Let me know what I can do to improve this. 
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Apr 18 2015, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE (HiimAlex @ Apr 18 2015, 07:28 PM) Thanks for you help and answers Mertay and Kris! Here is a new video, I used the "phones" out on the Digitech today because I liked the prefer more than going Guitar->Digitech->Orange Micro Terror. The sound is based on a Mesa Boogie Mark IV and effects was same as last (reverb and chorus). Awesome Alex - getting rid of your room's reverberation meant a big step in the right direction! Well done! I still feel we should be able to improve your sound, and I have ben trying to think what pulls it down, in order of priority: * Playing - 'sound is in the fingers' and around 00:25 you play with more conviction, using rakes and more powerful picking. Do that from the beginning, and try to only use the notes you think sound best from the scale. * Reverb/chorus. I think this might be the biggest remaining tone problem. Both of these are easy to do wrong and therefore clash with the backing (which has its own reverbs). I would suggest you skip those effects and try delay instead to get a bigger sound. I found the manual and delay options seem pretty good (page 33 here). Questions: - are you recording a stereo signal? - what DAW are you using (name and version number would help) * I think your guitar needs to be turned up a little in the mix (a little louder). |
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Apr 18 2015, 10:28 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Apr 18 2015, 07:36 PM) Awesome Alex - getting rid of your room's reverberation meant a big step in the right direction! Well done! I still feel we should be able to improve your sound, and I have ben trying to think what pulls it down, in order of priority: * Playing - 'sound is in the fingers' and around 00:25 you play with more conviction, using rakes and more powerful picking. Do that from the beginning, and try to only use the notes you think sound best from the scale. * Reverb/chorus. I think this might be the biggest remaining tone problem. Both of these are easy to do wrong and therefore clash with the backing (which has its own reverbs). I would suggest you skip those effects and try delay instead to get a bigger sound. I found the manual and delay options seem pretty good (page 33 here). Questions: - are you recording a stereo signal? - what DAW are you using (name and version number would help) * I think your guitar needs to be turned up a little in the mix (a little louder). Thanks for your feedback Kristofer, I can agree that it definitely sounds better without room reverberation. I can try with some different delays for sure to see which one I like best, what delay do you usually use? At the moment I do not use a stereo signal, but I can record with a stereo signal. I use Reaper v4.731. |
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Apr 19 2015, 08:25 AM
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QUOTE (HiimAlex @ Apr 18 2015, 10:28 PM) Thanks for your feedback Kristofer, I can agree that it definitely sounds better without room reverberation. I can try with some different delays for sure to see which one I like best, what delay do you usually use? At the moment I do not use a stereo signal, but I can record with a stereo signal. I use Reaper v4.731. Great! The standard is actually to record in mono, and add the delay/chorus/reverb in the DAW. Since you use reaper you have access to a killer delay plugin call "Readelay" (page 12 here). So I suggest you record a dry signal to reaper and do the rest of the experimenting there. Readelay seems extremely flexible and you can add as many delays as you want to. With a risk of complicating this, I will try to explain what I aim for when dialing in delay for this kind of solo sound. ---- A non audible stereo delay to increase width and fatness: A common misconception is to dial in fatness through EQ, but a lot of it comes from time based effects. With this delay I will have: - One delay panned hard left (use readelay's "stereo width"), delay time ~200 ms (Readelay's "Length (time)", with only one reptition (this is usually called "feedback") - One delay panned hard right (use readelay's "stereo width"), delay time ~300 ms (Readelay's "Length (time)", with only one reptition (this is usually called "feedback") Both of these should be EQ:ed so that only frequencies in the ~300-3000Hz region are repeated (use Readelay's Highpass and Low pass filter). If you get this delay right it will make you sound much bigger , wider and fatter - without creating any audible delay (again you will only hear the difference when switching the effect on and off). So its important to mix the delay low (Readelay's "Volume") I realise I got very technical here so please ask me follow-up question so I can clarify further. If you don't want to bother with this technical stuff then just spend some time experimenting. After all that's what I have been doing to find settings that work for me. I will also you use at least one more separate delay which has more audible feedback (usually in 16th or 8th notes). |
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Apr 20 2015, 12:38 PM
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Here's my first one Kris. So, instead of going to one of my saved patches I started from scratch.
Signal Chain is:- G&L ASAT Tele Deluxe -> Interface -> Cakewalk X2 Producer -> Acme Bar Gig Amp/Speaker sim. https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/tonehone -------------------- I'd rather have a full Bottle in front of me than a full Frontal Lobotomy!!
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Apr 20 2015, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Apr 20 2015, 12:38 PM) Here's my first one Kris. So, instead of going to one of my saved patches I started from scratch. Signal Chain is:- G&L ASAT Tele Deluxe -> Interface -> Cakewalk X2 Producer -> Acme Bar Gig Amp/Speaker sim. https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/tonehone Thanks Sensible, those are some neat lines! The #1 thing that strikes me is that your guitar take is too loud. Secondly - it feels very dry and (possibly) on the 'treblish' side. However I find it difficult to say for sure when you lead is so loud. I would suggest resting your ears a little, adjust the volume again, maybe listen to a reference track of a similar genre (NB on the same monitors), tweak some more and let your ears rest again. The tone does feel organic with a very nice distortion though, so this should be a good starting point to perfect your sound. |
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