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Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 14 2009, 10:50 AM

Hi

This time I prepared faster backing for you. This is intermediate/advanced collab but anyone is welcome to have a go.

Tempo is 130. The chord progression is simple. A5 (minor), E5 (phrygian dominant) and Bdim7

For the A5 section you can play A harmonic minor or A aeolian. For the E5 play E Phrygian Dominant. Bdim7 is just that apeggio but you can also continue with E Phrygian Dominant as it fits in the scale. We are looking for a neoclassical style so try to avoid any jazzy lines or non-stop minor pentatonic although minor pentatonic can be used sometimes.

Try to play some of Yngwie's common licks like 3 string A minor arpeggio, 3 string Bdim7 arpeggio and some fast scales. Find some logical patterns for the scales and do your best to produce a nice melody flow. You don't need to play fast non-stop but a couple of fast licks would be nice. Don't forget the important thing - VIBRATO. It needs to be very agressive and wide so don't be affraid to show your "dracula teeth" in playing if you woke up nervous smile.gif

The deadline is 28 March (2 weeks). If you have any questions you can ask here or send a PM.

On this thread you can find 15 licks in style of Yngwie which I hope you will find useful. There are 15 audio files and GP file.
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=25654

You can hear my take (attached) where I used many of these licks. I am now doing the exact same lesson for GMC so I hope you will see the video of it this month.

Good luck everybody.

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1. superize
2. Dexxter
3. berko
4. Tjchep
5. Jakub Luptovec
6. Tolek
7. Chris Evans
8. Ajmurrell
9. Rated Htr
10. Jesse
11. DeepRoots
12. botoxfox
13. enforcer
14. Caelumamittendum
15. SensE
16. Gilmore
17. kaznie_NL
18. Branimir Habek
19. lcsdds
20. Sergei Polusmiak
21. coffeeman

 Emir_take.mp3 ( 672.24K ) : 656
 malmsteen_collab_backing.mp3 ( 677.96K ) : 732
 

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 14 2009, 10:54 AM

That BT is so cool!!!!! I hope I can try somehting... Although I'm not even close to intermediate/advanced, so there's a chance I'm not gonna upload anything wink.gif

EDIT: again, mono and no effects?


Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 14 2009, 11:00 AM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 14 2009, 09:54 AM) *
That BT is so cool!!!!! I hope I can try somehting... Although I'm not even close to intermediate/advanced, so there's a chance I'm not gonna upload anything wink.gif

EDIT: again, mono and no effects?


Well you can give it a try if you want. You have a good chance to spend 2 weeks practicing some fast stuff. I used to like spending half a day practicing Yngwie licks. It was a very nice feeling when I managed to play his 3 string arpeggios and harmonic minor scales. I can post some tabs of common Malmsteen licks if it helps. Let me know if you're in smile.gif

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 14 2009, 09:54 AM) *
EDIT: again, mono and no effects?


As you can see I didn't write anything about the recording and I am not going to care much if you export the way you want. Of course it would be better mono and dry so I can add that unique Malmsteen long delay to make it sound similar to his sound.

Posted by: superize Mar 14 2009, 11:23 AM

I want in on this one

Posted by: Dexxter Mar 14 2009, 11:33 AM

Very nice, I'm in! smile.gif

Posted by: berko Mar 14 2009, 11:36 AM

Really cool track! I totally regret now that I missed the boogie collab so I don't want to leave out this one... smile.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 14 2009, 11:38 AM

QUOTE (superize @ Mar 14 2009, 10:23 AM) *
I want in on this one

in smile.gif

QUOTE (Dexxter @ Mar 14 2009, 10:33 AM) *
Very nice, I'm in! smile.gif

in smile.gif

QUOTE (berko @ Mar 14 2009, 10:36 AM) *
Really cool track! I totally regret now that I missed the boogie collab so I don't want to leave out this one... smile.gif

in smile.gif

Posted by: Tjchep Mar 14 2009, 11:40 AM

And I'm in!

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 14 2009, 11:41 AM

QUOTE (Tjchep @ Mar 14 2009, 10:40 AM) *
And I'm in!



cheers mate smile.gif

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec Mar 14 2009, 11:46 AM

That whole BT is for one take, or do we have to choose one of those parts? Either way, get me in:) I will try to write something on it smile.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 14 2009, 11:49 AM

QUOTE (Jakub Luptovec @ Mar 14 2009, 10:46 AM) *
That whole BT is for one take, or do we have to choose one of those parts? Either way, get me in:) I will try to write something on it smile.gif


Not sure if I understood smile.gif The whole backing is for one take, just 40 sec. Use step recording if you can't play it all at once.

you're in smile.gif

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec Mar 14 2009, 12:13 PM

You did understood correctly:) I wanted to know, if the whole backing (40 secs) is one take:) Keep fingers crossed for me, this one is (I believe) right on the top of my playing ability, so its gonna be a challenge
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Posted by: Tolek Mar 14 2009, 12:16 PM

I´m in! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 14 2009, 12:18 PM

QUOTE (Jakub Luptovec @ Mar 14 2009, 11:13 AM) *
You did understood correctly:) I wanted to know, if the whole backing (40 secs) is one take:) Keep fingers crossed for me, this one is (I believe) right on the top of my playing ability, so its gonna be a challenge
biggrin.gif


I hope you'll manage something, you have 2 weeks. Ask if you need any help. As far as I know there is no collab on GMC where you can pick just one part of the backing smile.gif This should be one solo of 40 seconds.

QUOTE (Tolek @ Mar 14 2009, 11:16 AM) *
I´m in! biggrin.gif


Cheers Tolek

Posted by: Chris Evans Mar 14 2009, 12:24 PM

cool! I`d like to join please smile.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 14 2009, 12:27 PM

QUOTE (Chris Evans @ Mar 14 2009, 11:24 AM) *
cool! I`d like to join please smile.gif


No problem man, welcome smile.gif

Posted by: sted Mar 14 2009, 12:57 PM

Ha! No way I can join this but it will be great to see the finished product! Happy shredding guys!!

Posted by: Ajmurrell Mar 14 2009, 01:18 PM

I think this will be the toughest yet for me Emir, but... Sign me up danger mouse tongue.gif

Posted by: Rated Htr Mar 14 2009, 01:26 PM

Joining lots of collabs but, ok, I'll join this one too if I may smile.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 14 2009, 01:37 PM

QUOTE (Ajmurrell @ Mar 14 2009, 12:18 PM) *
I think this will be the toughest yet for me Emir, but... Sign me up danger mouse tongue.gif


I think you'll be ok smile.gif

QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Mar 14 2009, 12:26 PM) *
Joining lots of collabs but, ok, I'll join this one too if I may smile.gif


Sure smile.gif

Posted by: Jesse Mar 14 2009, 01:45 PM

Im in Emir. biggrin.gif

Posted by: DeepRoots Mar 14 2009, 02:20 PM

I'm in! Man this'll be tough but waaaaay too much fun biggrin.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 14 2009, 02:48 PM

QUOTE (Jesse @ Mar 14 2009, 12:45 PM) *
Im in Emir. biggrin.gif


Cool Jesse smile.gif

QUOTE (DeepRoots @ Mar 14 2009, 01:20 PM) *
I'm in! Man this'll be tough but waaaaay too much fun biggrin.gif


Have a go man, I'm sure it'll be fun smile.gif

Posted by: botoxfox Mar 14 2009, 02:53 PM

Can I have a go plz?wub.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 14 2009, 02:55 PM

QUOTE (botoxfox @ Mar 14 2009, 01:53 PM) *
Can I have a go plz?wub.gif


sure smile.gif

Posted by: enforcer Mar 14 2009, 03:30 PM

Would you mind if I give it a go? laugh.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 14 2009, 03:34 PM

QUOTE (enforcer @ Mar 14 2009, 02:30 PM) *
Would you mind if I give it a go? laugh.gif


Why would I mind man smile.gif welcome back. Here you can shred as much as you like haha

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Mar 14 2009, 05:32 PM

Can I join, Emir? I promise you something Malmsteen-ish tongue.gif

Posted by: Velvet Roger Mar 14 2009, 05:58 PM

Will try to get something as well, don't sign me up though as I have a couple of hectics weeks in front of me, mostly without a guitar unfortunately smile.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 14 2009, 08:01 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Mar 14 2009, 04:32 PM) *
Can I join, Emir? I promise you something Malmsteen-ish tongue.gif


Sure man, welcome again smile.gif

QUOTE (Velvet Roger @ Mar 14 2009, 04:58 PM) *
Will try to get something as well, don't sign me up though as I have a couple of hectics weeks in front of me, mostly without a guitar unfortunately smile.gif


Ok Roger, let me know if you find time within the next 2 weeks smile.gif

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 15 2009, 12:37 AM

Interesting backing track Emir, this should be very fun and challenging for members !

Posted by: Tolek Mar 15 2009, 12:39 AM

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Mar 15 2009, 12:37 AM) *
Interesting backing track Emir, this should be very fun and challenging for members !

Join! Immediately! laugh.gif

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 15 2009, 12:41 AM

QUOTE (Tolek @ Mar 15 2009, 12:39 AM) *
Join! Immediately! laugh.gif


I can't make any promises right now ! My camcorder has gone crazy and I am dealing with that crisis for 2 days now. If I resolve it soon , record lessons for this month, I will be more than happy to shred here smile.gif

Posted by: ztevie Mar 15 2009, 12:45 AM

Oh man! I'd like to be on this one too, but I might have some problems finding time the next two weeks...
Maybe I have to wait to confirm I join, but I hope I can do it somehow? Can you leave me open on this?

Since I'm from Sweden I guess I have the Yngwieish vein somewhere, altough it never really popped out! smile.gif

Posted by: SensE Mar 15 2009, 12:57 AM

Emir Emir, Count me in too ! laugh.gif

Posted by: Tolek Mar 15 2009, 12:58 AM

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Mar 15 2009, 12:41 AM) *
I can't make any promises right now ! My camcorder has gone crazy and I am dealing with that crisis for 2 days now. If I resolve it soon , record lessons for this month, I will be more than happy to shred here smile.gif

Not good to hear. sad.gif

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 15 2009, 01:04 AM

QUOTE (Tolek @ Mar 15 2009, 12:58 AM) *
Not good to hear. sad.gif


Its not a great mini dv camcorder and its been causing me a lot of problems lately. I hope to resolve it within day or two and get to some lessons. Next month I am getting a new one, HD hopefully smile.gif

Posted by: Gilmore Mar 15 2009, 01:28 AM

Hi

WOW I didn´t expect that, I´m no shredder and I´ve not used those scales alot or played in that style much. But what the hell, no harm done in trying, I´m in. ohmy.gif





Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 15 2009, 02:52 AM

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Mar 14 2009, 11:41 PM) *
I can't make any promises right now ! My camcorder has gone crazy and I am dealing with that crisis for 2 days now. If I resolve it soon , record lessons for this month, I will be more than happy to shred here smile.gif


You know you're always welcome smile.gif If you think you can do it let me know

QUOTE (ztevie @ Mar 14 2009, 11:45 PM) *
Oh man! I'd like to be on this one too, but I might have some problems finding time the next two weeks...
Maybe I have to wait to confirm I join, but I hope I can do it somehow? Can you leave me open on this?

Since I'm from Sweden I guess I have the Yngwieish vein somewhere, altough it never really popped out! smile.gif


Sure man, show the world who is the "viking" smile.gif I will not sign you up now but let me know when/if you're ready. There is no sign up deadline. There is only deadline for submission. You still have plenty of time.

QUOTE (SensE @ Mar 14 2009, 11:57 PM) *
Emir Emir, Count me in too ! laugh.gif


You're in smile.gif

QUOTE (Gilmore @ Mar 15 2009, 12:28 AM) *
Hi

WOW I didn´t expect that, I´m no shredder and I´ve not used those scales alot or played in that style much. But what the hell, no harm done in trying, I´m in. ohmy.gif


Yeah man, give it a go smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 15 2009, 10:29 AM

Hey Emir, would you mind opening an Upload thread insted of making this one big thread? That would make things a bit easier to overview for all of us!

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 15 2009, 12:52 PM

Yes I can smile.gif I was thinking of that before and didn't really find any difference. If you think this thread is big then it wouldn't help you as we will end up with two big threads so that's even more confusing. I saw every Pedja's collab thread has 5 or 6 pages and people talking about the same thing on both of them. So what's the difference? I think it's easier to keep thngs in one place and open a new one for my final comments.

Let's see what other people think. Can you guys write if you would like another thread for upload?

So Kaz, are you in? smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 15 2009, 01:06 PM

Ehm.. I'l try wink.gif Malmsteen Arpeggios aren't the easiest things wink.gif But.. Owkay wink.gif

Posted by: superize Mar 15 2009, 01:09 PM

Yeah a seperate upload thread would be better i think.......

Anyway i am done writing my solo biggrin.gif but i cant really play it perfect yet.....

Got alot of two string diminished arpeggios i will practise it for the next two weeks untill i can play it perfect

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 15 2009, 01:42 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 15 2009, 12:06 PM) *
Ehm.. I'l try wink.gif Malmsteen Arpeggios aren't the easiest things wink.gif But.. Owkay wink.gif


Cool smile.gif I will try to upload some Yngwie exercises with tab that you can use in your solo.

QUOTE (superize @ Mar 15 2009, 12:09 PM) *
Yeah a seperate upload thread would be better i think.......

Anyway i am done writing my solo biggrin.gif but i cant really play it perfect yet.....

Got alot of two string diminished arpeggios i will practise it for the next two weeks untill i can play it perfect


Cool Superize. You have plenty of time to practice it.

I made an upload thread as you suggested

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 15 2009, 03:52 PM



On this thread you can find 15 licks in style of Yngwie which I hope you will find useful. There are 15 audio files and GP file.
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=25654

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 15 2009, 09:40 PM

I uploaded my take on this thread. It's based on the licks I posted earlier today. I am now making the same GMC lesson.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Mar 15 2009, 09:41 PM

Awesome take Emir, lesson will be amazing I am sure smile.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 15 2009, 09:42 PM

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Mar 15 2009, 08:41 PM) *
Awesome take Emir, lesson will be amazing I am sure smile.gif


Cheers Pedja smile.gif

Posted by: Branimir Habek Mar 15 2009, 10:02 PM

i want to sign up biggrin.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 15 2009, 10:06 PM

QUOTE (Branimir Habek @ Mar 15 2009, 09:02 PM) *
i want to sign up biggrin.gif


Cheers Branimir, you're in smile.gif

Posted by: coffeeman Mar 16 2009, 04:21 PM

Hi emir,

I still don't know if give it a try or not. 130 bpm is in the limit of my speed , I can play 16th notes sloppy at that speed. I'll try to come up with something if I see that it is worth it I'll sign up. I've been practicing those 3 string arpegios in 16th triplets but I can play them at 90 bpm , so I don't let's see what happends.

Your take was better than Yngwie , you rock Emir.

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 16 2009, 04:29 PM

QUOTE (coffeeman @ Mar 16 2009, 03:21 PM) *
Hi emir,

I still don't know if give it a try or not. 130 bpm is in the limit of my speed , I can play 16th notes sloppy at that speed. I'll try to come up with something if I see that it is worth it I'll sign up. I've been practicing those 3 string arpegios in 16th triplets but I can play them at 90 bpm , so I don't let's see what happends.

Your take was better than Yngwie , you rock Emir.


You still have plenty of time. Don't need to shred non-stop if you can't. Make at least some nice melody

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 16 2009, 09:06 PM

Sign me up Emir. smile.gif I'll give it my best shot.....might even try some single string AP runs. Should be able to do some sweeps as well. smile.gif I'll probably sound more like Vai/Satch meets Yngwie. laugh.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 16 2009, 09:09 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 16 2009, 08:06 PM) *
Sign me up Emir. smile.gif I'll give it my best shot.....might even try some single string AP runs. Should be able to do some sweeps as well. smile.gif I'll probably sound more like Vai/Satch meets Yngwie. laugh.gif tongue.gif


Thanks for joining Monte. It is great to have you back smile.gif You can sweep as much as you like. Yngwie does it a lot. Just keep it neoclassical and don't worry about AP to much smile.gif

Posted by: Sergei Polusmiak Mar 16 2009, 11:06 PM

Can i join the collab or is it to late

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 16 2009, 11:07 PM

QUOTE (Sergei Polusmiak @ Mar 16 2009, 10:06 PM) *
Can i join the collab or is it to late


Never too late smile.gif You're in

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 16 2009, 11:20 PM

Emir am I counting right......8 bars of A5......8 bars of E5.....4 bars of B dim? Thanks. Cool backing BTW!! smile.gif

Posted by: Ajmurrell Mar 17 2009, 05:53 PM

Emir,

Have been playing A LOT on this one. I'm at the moment attemptin to improvise with these new scales ONE STRING at a time. And so far, only done high E tongue.gif This is fantastic practice though as it includes all the interval notes so gets you used to the flavour of the scales...

I have one question, ok two I lie, here goes:

Is Phygian Dominant the same as Phrygian Major? I can't find Phrygian Dominant on the site I've been using to find scales.

And if so, does E harmonic Minor have the SAME notes as A Phrygian Dominant/Major therfore using the same patterns, just with the focus on a different route?

If that makes sense smile.gif


Posted by: lcsdds Mar 17 2009, 06:04 PM

QUOTE (Ajmurrell @ Mar 17 2009, 05:53 PM) *
Emir,

Have been playing A LOT on this one. I'm at the moment attemptin to improvise with these new scales ONE STRING at a time. And so far, only done high E tongue.gif This is fantastic practice though as it includes all the interval notes so gets you used to the flavour of the scales...

I have one question, ok two I lie, here goes:

Is Phygian Dominant the same as Phrygian Major? I can't find Phrygian Dominant on the site I've been using to find scales.

And if so, does E harmonic Minor have the SAME notes as A Phrygian Dominant/Major therfore using the same patterns, just with the focus on a different route?

If that makes sense smile.gif

I had the Same question AJ....E phrygian Dominant is that Same as A harmonic minor. If you take the A Aeolian scale and play it with G# instead of G you will have "A harmonic minor/E Phrygian Dominant. Same scale, different root. smile.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 17 2009, 08:08 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 16 2009, 10:20 PM) *
Emir am I counting right......8 bars of A5......8 bars of E5.....4 bars of B dim? Thanks. Cool backing BTW!! smile.gif


Yes you are right smile.gif

QUOTE (Ajmurrell @ Mar 17 2009, 04:53 PM) *
Emir,

Have been playing A LOT on this one. I'm at the moment attemptin to improvise with these new scales ONE STRING at a time. And so far, only done high E tongue.gif This is fantastic practice though as it includes all the interval notes so gets you used to the flavour of the scales...

I have one question, ok two I lie, here goes:

Is Phygian Dominant the same as Phrygian Major? I can't find Phrygian Dominant on the site I've been using to find scales.

And if so, does E harmonic Minor have the SAME notes as A Phrygian Dominant/Major therfore using the same patterns, just with the focus on a different route?

If that makes sense smile.gif


A harmonic minor is the same as E phrygian dominant not the other way around. Muris has it everywhere in his lessons. Extreme neoclassic or similar. I have done some lesson with that scale as well. Someone might call it Phrygian Major as it has a major 3rd but I don't really know. The most populat name of that mode is Phrygian Dominant (the 5th mode of Harmonic Minor).

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 17 2009, 05:04 PM) *
I had the Same question AJ....E phrygian Dominant is that Same as A harmonic minor. If you take the A Aeolian scale and play it with G# instead of G you will have "A harmonic minor/E Phrygian Dominant. Same scale, different root. smile.gif


Correct smile.gif

Posted by: coffeeman Mar 26 2009, 04:04 PM

Hey emir,

I've been jaming over the backing and Im going to give it a try if its possible.

Thanks.

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 26 2009, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (coffeeman @ Mar 26 2009, 03:04 PM) *
Hey emir,

I've been jaming over the backing and Im going to give it a try if its possible.

Thanks.


Sure smile.gif 2 days left

Posted by: Gilmore Mar 26 2009, 04:30 PM

Hi

I´ve been trying to record using a mono track, but if I use mono, the the sound gets very bad, like it´s coming from far away in a large hall. But the sound is great using stereo. Is it something I can fix, I´m using Sonar 8 Producer.


Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 26 2009, 05:16 PM

QUOTE (Gilmore @ Mar 26 2009, 03:30 PM) *
Hi

I´ve been trying to record using a mono track, but if I use mono, the the sound gets very bad, like it´s coming from far away in a large hall. But the sound is great using stereo. Is it something I can fix, I´m using Sonar 8 Producer.


There is something else wrong with your export because mono track should sound the same but the same on both speakers. If you don't fix it then export stereo and it will be fine.

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec Mar 27 2009, 01:38 PM

I am sorry, but I am not sure, I will be able to participate.. I have some kind of deppresive week and I got feeling I cant play to save my life and that I cant play at all...

I will try my best to produce something listenable, but I doubt everything after those last days:D My excuses sad.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 27 2009, 01:42 PM

QUOTE (Jakub Luptovec @ Mar 27 2009, 12:38 PM) *
I am sorry, but I am not sure, I will be able to participate.. I have some kind of deppresive week and I got feeling I cant play to save my life and that I cant play at all...

I will try my best to produce something listenable, but I doubt everything after those last days:D My excuses sad.gif


If I don't receive a reasonable number by tomorrow I might extend the deadline for a couple of more days. Does that help? And come on man, what's the reason for your depression? Wine, women and song, nothing better than that smile.gif ROCK ON!!!

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 27 2009, 02:01 PM

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Mar 27 2009, 01:42 PM) *
If I don't receive a reasonable number by tomorrow I might extend the deadline for a couple of more days. Does that help? And come on man, what's the reason for your depression? Wine, women and song, nothing better than that smile.gif ROCK ON!!!

A couple of more days would help me Emir. I basically have what I want to play...but a couple of more days to get it under my fingers would be great. If not I'll give you the best I got!!! smile.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 27 2009, 02:06 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 27 2009, 01:01 PM) *
A couple of more days would help me Emir. I basically have what I want to play...but a couple of more days to get it under my fingers would be great. If not I'll give you the best I got!!! smile.gif


Right smile.gif

Everyone, feel free to upload by the end of the month. I hope that helps

Posted by: kjutte Mar 27 2009, 03:13 PM

It's called phrygian dominant because it's a phrygian scale with maj3 (a dominant chord has R 3 5 m7)

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 27 2009, 03:19 PM

Hey Emir, I'm not sure whether I'm going to make it, so please don't whait for me!!

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 27 2009, 04:49 PM

Emir.....I am working on this solo and I am having problems with finding good landing notes, especially over E5. It seems like I am always landing on G# to get that neoclassical sound. Am I missing something here? I know there are no rules other than try to land on chord tones or tensions but I am starting to sound redundant.

BTW, I am having a lot of fun with this one....this style is starting to grow on me. biggrin.gif Thanks for the few extra days.....I hope I can deliver something you enjoy hearing!! smile.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 27 2009, 05:08 PM

QUOTE (kjutte @ Mar 27 2009, 02:13 PM) *
It's called phrygian dominant because it's a phrygian scale with maj3 (a dominant chord has R 3 5 m7)


Correct smile.gif

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 27 2009, 02:19 PM) *
Hey Emir, I'm not sure whether I'm going to make it, so please don't whait for me!!


Well thanks for trying, you're always welcome smile.gif

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 27 2009, 03:49 PM) *
Emir.....I am working on this solo and I am having problems with finding good landing notes, especially over E5. It seems like I am always landing on G# to get that neoclassical sound. Am I missing something here? I know there are no rules other than try to land on chord tones or tensions but I am starting to sound redundant.

BTW, I am having a lot of fun with this one....this style is starting to grow on me. biggrin.gif Thanks for the few extra days.....I hope I can deliver something you enjoy hearing!! smile.gif


G# is fine. Either that, or root and sometimes 5th also works smile.gif No rules there but decide yourself which note is stronger to you and play it, no need to worry too much smile.gif I know you're a great player.

Posted by: enforcer Mar 27 2009, 07:04 PM

Emir can I send my take on monday? I am really busy these days on personal and band matters, and tomorrow I got a flight out of town (actually 800 kms away) and tonight a gig. If its not possible I may not be able to send my take sad.gif


Posted by: lcsdds Mar 27 2009, 07:21 PM

QUOTE (enforcer @ Mar 27 2009, 07:04 PM) *
Emir can I send my take on monday? I am really busy these days on personal and band matters, and tomorrow I got a flight out of town (actually 800 kms away) and tonight a gig. If its not possible I may not be able to send my take sad.gif

He gave us until Tuesday Can. smile.gif Have fun going out of town and be safe!!

Posted by: Sergei Polusmiak Mar 27 2009, 09:56 PM

Emir sorry if im too late but i broke a string and am also taking it to a shop to change pickup and string gauge so I dont know if i can turn it in


Posted by: Sergio Dorado Mar 28 2009, 01:13 AM

Hi Emir. At last moment but.. I want to collaborate!

Posted by: DeepRoots Mar 31 2009, 10:11 PM

Sorry Emir- went to do my take tonight but i've ran into some problems on my pc. I do all my recording on XP because vista doesn't like using my pandora px5d as the input/output when using reaper. For some reason today on xp all the sounds i play through my pandora as the soundcard sound all fuzzy and distorted- its literally disgusting. I've tried countless times to reinstall drivers but i keep running into this problem, but only when i use my pandora (which i need to record).
I've tried to lay something down but its impossible to monitor my take or what i'm actually supposed to be soloing over- sorry for the let down, looks like i'll be burning the midnight oil tonight.

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 31 2009, 11:19 PM

Well I am thinking to mix 2 groups again. So while I am mixing the 1st one in the morning (1st April) then you can send until afternoon if any of you manages to get something done. If not, thanks for trying and next time I will make some easier backing smile.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 31 2009, 11:22 PM

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Mar 31 2009, 11:19 PM) *
Well I am thinking to mix 2 groups again. So while I am mixing the 1st one in the morning (1st April) then you can send until afternoon if any of you manages to get something done. If not, thanks for trying and next time I will make some easier backing smile.gif

This was a fun collab Emir. You have done a ballad, boogie and now neoclassical.....next up should be a Vai/Satch type backing. tongue.gif laugh.gif Thanks for the effort Emir....your collabs always rock!!

Posted by: Emir Hot Mar 31 2009, 11:35 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 31 2009, 11:22 PM) *
This was a fun collab Emir. You have done a ballad, boogie and now neoclassical.....next up should be a Vai/Satch type backing. tongue.gif laugh.gif Thanks for the effort Emir....your collabs always rock!!


Cheers Monte smile.gif

I would like to explain something and hear everyone's opinion about this. In my opinion the point of these collabs is that people get familiar with new stuff regardless of their current level or theory knowledge. I can make some easy backing and say "everyone play minor pentatonic" and I would have 30 participants smile.gif But the point is to get them out of pentatonics and learn something new. Doesn't matter if I hear some mistakes, everyone makes them smile.gif I can do some Satriani type of backing and see what happens. The problem comes when I say what scales I want you to use. Then people get scared or I don't know how to describe, but I am always getting less and less takes as they are not comfortable with it and they don't want to fight for learning more. The collabs are the way to learn stuff and have fun. You can learn about recording techniques, about new scales, new approach etc... I think people should have a go anyway. This is like a private instructor is talking to them and trying to fix the weak points and lead them the right way. I am really sorry I didn't get many takes on this one but let's see next time for the Satriani backing as Monte suggested smile.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 31 2009, 11:55 PM

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Mar 31 2009, 11:35 PM) *
Cheers Monte smile.gif

I would like to explain something and hear everyone's opinion about this. In my opinion the point of these collabs is that people get familiar with new stuff regardless of their current level or theory knowledge. I can make some easy backing and say "everyone play minor pentatonic" and I would have 30 participants smile.gif But the point is to get them out of pentatonics and learn something new. Doesn't matter if I hear some mistakes, everyone makes them smile.gif I can do some Satriani type of backing and see what happens. The problem comes when I say what scales I want you to use. Then people get scared or I don't know how to describe, but I am always getting less and less takes as they are not comfortable with it and they don't want to fight for learning more. The collabs are the way to learn stuff and have fun. You can learn about recording techniques, about new scales, new approach etc... I think people should have a go anyway. This is like a private instructor is talking to them and trying to fix the weak points and lead them the right way. I am really sorry I didn't get many takes on this one but let's see next time for the Satriani backing as Monte suggested smile.gif


I agree with you Emir. I know for me that I wouldn't have signed up for this collab except that you asked me if I would like to join. This was a great learning experience for me. I learned that I could adapt my playing style to still sound neoclassical, I learned how to construct diminished scales and I learned to use the harmonic minor scale. I also learned that I can record something and use plugins and then remove them and give you a dry track and let you process it in the mix the way you think it should be done. All of these are small things but that is how you learn.....baby steps. Then after awhile you look back and see that you have progressed.

I think that a lot of people might not participate because they think they might not feel that their playing is up to par. The instructors at GMC are worldclass players and it can be intimidating to submit your take to somebody on the level that you guys are on....even though I have never heard any of the instructors demean somebody's work. I have learned something from every collab I have done. I have done two collabs with you now and I remember in the first collab you told me to use the diminished scale when playing over the diminished chord in your ballad tracking. I didn't know what that was. This time though I spent some time learning it and now I have one more tool in my bag-o-tricks to use in my playing. You also told me to work on my AP, which I have, but I still don't use it because it is not developed enough to do it well so I have to stick to my strengths. I have also gotten faster at constructing solos then when I first started these things. So for me these collabs are invaluable but I still feel intimidated sometimes....just human nature I suppose. I am getting to the point though that I really see the value in these collabs and I hope everybody does as well.

I think the key is to play to your level. In my take I had quite a few 16th triplet runs that I wanted to use but couldn't get them up to speed cleanly so I changed them to straight 16ths. If that is too fast for you then construct a solo using 8th notes or 8th triplets. It will let you know what you need to work on. I need to work on my 16th triplets. You can construct just as powerful a solo playing 8th notes as you can 32nd and it is harder sometimes to do as well.

Sorry for the long post....I just hate to see people not participate because they feel intimidated. This site is meant to learn and we have access to some of the BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD. Take advantage of it. smile.gif

Posted by: JamesT Apr 1 2009, 06:01 AM

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Mar 31 2009, 03:35 PM) *
Cheers Monte smile.gif

I would like to explain something and hear everyone's opinion about this. In my opinion the point of these collabs is that people get familiar with new stuff regardless of their current level or theory knowledge. I can make some easy backing and say "everyone play minor pentatonic" and I would have 30 participants smile.gif But the point is to get them out of pentatonics and learn something new. Doesn't matter if I hear some mistakes, everyone makes them smile.gif I can do some Satriani type of backing and see what happens. The problem comes when I say what scales I want you to use. Then people get scared or I don't know how to describe, but I am always getting less and less takes as they are not comfortable with it and they don't want to fight for learning more. The collabs are the way to learn stuff and have fun. You can learn about recording techniques, about new scales, new approach etc... I think people should have a go anyway. This is like a private instructor is talking to them and trying to fix the weak points and lead them the right way. I am really sorry I didn't get many takes on this one but let's see next time for the Satriani backing as Monte suggested smile.gif




I'm in full agreement with you on all points (although I'm glad when you give us hints about what scales to use smile.gif ) I was going to record a take for this collab, but this month was a little over-committed with some of the other collabs I've been doing (and other projects going on in my life) to such a point that I have not been getting into as many lessons as I had set out to do in the beginning of the year. With GMC, the biggest influences I've had are from the lessons where I'm picking up new theory, licks, scales, and chops. I've only done two or three lessons in the last month and I've got to focus on that as well . Also, I'm in the middle of the Young Lust collab right now and almost have something down now that's decent and applies some of the things I've learned lately. (I hope it turns out half way good anyway mellow.gif ) But I definately plan to do two collabs per month every month. Collabs are "huge" in that they give us a chance to compose, to record, and probably most importantly listen our own playing from the audiences perspective, then rework the takes until we're satisfied. That to me is one if the truly most important parts of guitar playing. When I listen to my improvs right now, I can hear how "disconnected" my licks are and how sometimes they just ramble. Putting a recording together to share with everyone is about as close as I get to the stage these days! so, it's kind of like doing a gig for me. (my real gigs are designing new games at work, but that's a different story. So, rest assured, I'll be back (in the words of a famous movie star, and California governor). I may not get to participate in all of them, but I really hope to do my best in the ones I can make time for and the ones I can offer a decent committment to.

Hey, this post is kind of like my solos ...ramble, ramble, ramble. smile.gif


By the way, this collab ROCKED!
You guys that stepped up to record something ROCKED!
Emir, you ROCK!
Keep on doing what you're doing! smile.gif

Posted by: Gilmore Apr 1 2009, 09:39 AM

Hi

You are absoulutly right guys. Emir and others, are giving us a great oppertunity to explore new terratories in the music world. Everyone are working hard on their lessons GMC has to offer, but these collabs are the perfect place to put all the stuff you are learning to the test.

I´ve participated in many collabs, and had a great time doing it, but with this latest Neoclassic collab I got a little scared, because it´s a style I´m not comfortible with. But I´m so glad I didn´t give up on it, because now I´m a little bit closer to understand what Neoclassic is all about. I´ve always been a fan of this style, I own most of Yngwies records, and listen to them every now and again. But over the years I have sometimes tried to sit down and learn some of this songs, but I back out very quickly, because it´s so overwhelmingly hard. But with this collab I think I have stepped over that threshold and now I´m even learning a Yngwie song (Amberdawn), and it´s going very well, and I´ve got most of it down, It´s a fairly easy song, but it´s a start. smile.gif

So people, don´t be afraid to take part in the hard collabs, you always get somethink out of it, and those video comments from Emir are priceless. I´ve spent alot of time going through those comments from previous 2 collabs, and I´ve learned alot from them. So thank you Emir and other instructors for all the time you´ve put in these collabs. smile.gif

Posted by: Tolek Apr 1 2009, 10:30 AM

Emir, you´re totally right. I started with collaborations in November or so and from that time I gained so much experience (recording, use of scales, new licks, different music styles,...). I can´t believe how much I grew with every single collaboration.

Guys, even if you´re not familiar with a certain style, give it a go and learn! As you can see on my personal case, it really works! smile.gif


Emir, you rock! smile.gif

Posted by: berko Apr 1 2009, 10:49 AM

There are lots of wisely written posts here so I don't think I can put any extra comments to them!

But I would like to express how grateful I am personally that these collabs are running! It's alright that there is a great amount of work in every take - and that all students gain HUGE amount of knowledge, practice and experience from each collab. But I must always remind myself of the terrific work an instructor must put into one. Giving feedback on the forums, mixing, recording the comments for hours and days...

I'm always trying to participate in as many collaborations as I can for the same reasons as everybody else here has already described. Apart from the MTP program, it's one of the most important features at GMC. Having done around 15 collabs already in the past months I'm now looking back to my early stage of playing guitar like something that is terribly far away. And I guess there is even more to go.

I especially like how "real" lessons evolve from a collab backing track - that's a great tactic of Emir and Pedja. This activity becomes a collab not only among students but also between a student and an instructor as well.

But I guess all this is quite obvious for everyone. I'm still thankful that I can benefit from such source of motivation.

Yep, I'm certainly looking forward to all upcoming collaborations biggrin.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Apr 1 2009, 12:54 PM

Thanks for all that positive feedback. I think pretty much the same that these things can only be of help but I had moments where I wasn't sure whether I had the definition of collabs this way smile.gif Now I am mixing the tracks.

Posted by: coffeeman Apr 1 2009, 02:40 PM

Hey guys,

There is not to much to add. I would only add that I am very grateful with all the instructors that take the time to make these collabs, when I hear my first participations more than a year ago I can hear how much I have improved. So thanks a lot and keep the collabs coming.

Andrés.

Posted by: SensE Apr 1 2009, 02:55 PM

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Apr 1 2009, 05:54 AM) *
Thanks for all that positive feedback. I think pretty much the same that these things can only be of help but I had moments where I wasn't sure whether I had the definition of collabs this way smile.gif Now I am mixing the tracks.


Thank you, Emir. I really agree on those points you are mentioning. Right, by participating collaboration, it does help the player learn the scale that we are not familiar with and apply all the fretboard knowledge that we have learnt. people does make mistake on collaboration but the most important point is instrutor lead us to the right way.

Please kill everybody in the comments so that everybody knows their weak points thoroughly. tongue.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot Apr 1 2009, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (SensE @ Apr 1 2009, 02:55 PM) *
Thank you, Emir. I really agree on those points you are mentioning. Right, by participating collaboration, it does help the player learn the scale that we are not familiar with and apply all the fretboard knowledge that we have learnt. people does make mistake on collaboration but the most important point is instrutor lead us to the right way.

Please kill everybody in the comments so that everybody knows their weak points thoroughly. tongue.gif


hahaha, thanks smile.gif My comments will be friendly, I can't be that strict for this one smile.gif

Posted by: enforcer Apr 1 2009, 07:51 PM

Emir really I love when your comments are strict. As you know, for about a 5 years, nothing in my guitar playing life that motivated me just like your comments on your first collab here ( I dont want to be unfair once Kjetil (kjutte) made some comments about my vibrato and I am working on that since but except that, previous sentence is totally correct) And I am glad you do that. I find your playing style closer to the point I would like to attend in the future. So keep them coming, I am sure some people's hesitations are for a limited time and in the end they all will understand that is for their own sake, and this is a wonderful opportunity to see their mistakes and get better. Thank you for all!!!

Cheers Bro! biggrin.gif

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