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Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 26 2008, 10:00 PM
Hi
This is my first collaboration and I would appreciate if we give it a go. The track has 3 parts so you have enough time to develop the melody and demonstrate some cool rock soloing. Feel free to use any technique. There are cool places for tapping, arpeggios, tremolo bar licks... Use anything that can make it sound rock/heavy.
Tempo is 120 bpm and it starts in the key of D. It's actually D5 over the intro riff so the scale choice is yours. I recommend using D minor pentatonic for the start. After you have Gm, C, F, Bb, Eb, Edim, F, A7 and intro riff again.
There is no limited number of participants. Whoever is interested he/she is very welcome. I will mix the track in 2 weeks and give comments on each take. Please leave one second before the end (don't play the last second) so I can join each take with no crossplaying in the mixed track. Also make sure that you import the track at zero point in your software and also export your solo (only) from zero as well.
You can submit your files on this thread and I will open a new one with the comments and final mix of each take.
The deadline is 9th November (2 weeks)
I hope you will find this one interesting and I wish you great soloing.
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List of current participants:
1. Kristofer Dahl
2. Pedja Simovic
3. Ivan Milenkovic
4. Jose Mena
5. Muris Varajic
6. Zsolt Galambos
7. Andrew Cockburn
8. Lian Gerbino
9. Marcus Siepen
10. Piotr Kaczor
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Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 27 2008, 09:39 AM
Excellent Emir - you have laid it out it in a simple and smooth way...I'm in!
Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 27 2008, 02:51 PM
Great Kristofer. I can't wait to hear your take. I hope we will have more responses from instructors.
Posted by: Jose Mena Oct 27 2008, 02:52 PM
Awesome, Can I play?
Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 27 2008, 03:04 PM
QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Oct 27 2008, 01:52 PM)
Awesome, Can I play?
Sure man. You rock, this track should be good for your shreding skills.
Posted by: Jose Mena Oct 27 2008, 03:09 PM
Thanks Emir, I'm honored
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Oct 27 2008, 06:08 PM
This sounds great Emir !
I would like to give it a go.
Can you help me out about Zero point import and export ? I am not quite getting what you mean by this.
I use Nuendo so I will import the audio (mp3) there, open another audio and then record my solo over it.
Whats next step - where does zero point thing kick in ?
Thanks
Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 27 2008, 06:21 PM
QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Oct 27 2008, 05:08 PM)
This sounds great Emir !
I would like to give it a go.
Can you help me out about Zero point import and export ? I am not quite getting what you mean by this.
I use Nuendo so I will import the audio (mp3) there, open another audio and then record my solo over it.
Whats next step - where does zero point thing kick in ?
Thanks
Hi Pedja, thanks for joining the collaboration.
Zero point is when you import the backing track from the start (first bar). Some software counts 1st bar as 0 (zero) and some 1. Make sure you set your tempo 120 before importing the track. You will notice that the 1st bar of my audio is empty and the click starts form the 2nd bar. If you look at bar count in your software it shoud perfectly match the beat of the song. When you export your guitar part, export from the first bar (from zero) no matter at what second you start playng. The audio file should be exported from the beggining of your Nuendo track. That way is to make sure that your guitar track matches my backing track when I import it in my project for mixing.
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Oct 27 2008, 10:36 PM
I'm in as well Emir, count me in
PS it would be cool to make a list of instructors that are in in your first post, you can edit the post. just a suggestion mate.
Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 27 2008, 10:44 PM
QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Oct 27 2008, 09:36 PM)
I'm in as well Emir, count me in
PS it would be cool to make a list of instructors that are in in your first post, you can edit the post. just a suggestion mate.
Thank you for the suggestion. I edited my post, now we have the list of participants
Posted by: Muris Varajic Oct 27 2008, 10:50 PM
I'm in bro,
good luck with your first collab!
Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 27 2008, 10:57 PM
Thank you bro. I can't wait to hear what you are going to play
Posted by: Jose Mena Oct 27 2008, 11:09 PM
I'm in Emir
Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 27 2008, 11:55 PM
Thanks. I won't give any comment at this point
Posted by: Muris Varajic Oct 28 2008, 12:00 AM
QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Oct 27 2008, 11:55 PM)
Thanks. I won't give any comment at this point
None asked,thanks for great backing once more!
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Oct 28 2008, 02:41 PM
Great take Muris, awesome mix of techniques
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Oct 28 2008, 03:35 PM
Awesome take Muris!
I will try to do mine today hopefully
Posted by: Zsolt Galambos Oct 31 2008, 02:09 PM
Hi Emir!
Can I join? This is such a cool sounding track, I would really like to take my try!:)
Zsolt
Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 31 2008, 02:28 PM
QUOTE (Zsolt Galambos @ Oct 31 2008, 01:09 PM)
Hi Emir!
Can I join? This is such a cool sounding track, I would really like to take my try!:)
Zsolt
Sure mate, I'll put you on the list in my first post
Great that you're joining.
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Oct 31 2008, 04:11 PM
Hi, I'd love to join too please! Although my take won't be as cool as Muris' !
Posted by: Jose Mena Oct 31 2008, 04:22 PM
Man, this is going to rock, I'll do mine this weekend, I am listening and trying to think of nice melodies in my head first, before I pick up the guitar to do this.
Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 31 2008, 05:12 PM
QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Oct 31 2008, 03:11 PM)
Hi, I'd love to join too please! Although my take won't be as cool as Muris' !
Very cool Andrew. You are on the list
Don't worry about shreding, play anything that rocks
Thanks for joining
QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Oct 31 2008, 03:22 PM)
Man, this is going to rock, I'll do mine this weekend, I am listening and trying to think of nice melodies in my head first, before I pick up the guitar to do this.
I am sure I will like your take. You are a great player
Posted by: Lian Gerbino Oct 31 2008, 05:23 PM
hi emir, cool BT I wanna play too, if there´s time of course
Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 31 2008, 05:28 PM
QUOTE (Lian Gerbino @ Oct 31 2008, 04:23 PM)
hi emir, cool BT
I wanna play too, if there´s time of course
Of course man. The deadline is 9th November. Plenty of time. I added you on the list
Posted by: Lian Gerbino Oct 31 2008, 05:35 PM
cool man! thanks
Posted by: Jose Mena Oct 31 2008, 11:04 PM
Hey Emir, one more question. When I record guitar I always do it dry 100% dry, just distortion and that is it, that way I hear the mistakes clearly, when mixing I add the reverb, delay, chorus, whatever I have to do to alter the tone to sound to what I had in mind. Should I send you the solo take completely dry for you to add the effects as you please when you mix, or add the effects myself?.
Posted by: Emir Hot Oct 31 2008, 11:31 PM
It is better if it's dry so I can add effects. Of course you can leave distortion. You can make one mix with effects you like so I will try to reproduce them in my mix.
I am just thinking, maybe there is no problem if you send it with effect. I can try to stick that one in the project as well and see what happens. If it works then no problem. I suggest that you send both and I'll see what will come out of it.
The thing is that this is just a collaboration so I am not thinking to spend 10 days mixing It doesn't need to be million dollar production but if everbody gives outstanding results then I would consider doing really proper top mix which can be usefull for GMC promotion (if Kristofer agrees of course).
Cheers
Posted by: Marcus Siepen Nov 1 2008, 10:11 AM
Hey Emir, I would love to join too, unfortunately I can't guarantee that I will make it in time but I will try to come up with something within the next 10 days.
Posted by: Emir Hot Nov 1 2008, 10:36 AM
QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Nov 1 2008, 09:11 AM)
Hey Emir, I would love to join too, unfortunately I can't guarantee that I will make it in time but I will try to come up with something within the next 10 days.
Sure Marcus. I'll put you on the list and if you make it then great. If not, no worries
Thanks for trying anyway
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Nov 1 2008, 08:39 PM
Here is my take
Posted by: Emir Hot Nov 1 2008, 08:45 PM
Excellent Andrew. Thanks.
Posted by: Muris Varajic Nov 1 2008, 10:20 PM
Sorry for spamming,great take Andrew,
I'm glad you gave it a shot!
Posted by: Emir Hot Nov 1 2008, 10:36 PM
QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Nov 1 2008, 09:20 PM)
Sorry for spamming,great take Andrew,
I'm glad you gave it a shot!
There is no spam bro. Feel free to say anything about this collaboration. My word will be the last hahaha
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Nov 2 2008, 02:28 AM
QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Nov 1 2008, 05:20 PM)
Sorry for spamming,great take Andrew,
I'm glad you gave it a shot!
Well, I really enjoyed it so thanks for convincing me to take a shot, and thanks to Emir for putting such a cool backing together!
Posted by: Jose Mena Nov 2 2008, 06:04 AM
Nice takes, Muris and Andrew, I started jamming to it today, only shred came out, maybe I will go all shred with this one, I feel the backing wants me to.
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Nov 2 2008, 03:40 PM
Great take Andrew, very melodic and rockin!
Posted by: Piotr Kaczor Nov 3 2008, 03:10 PM
Wow! This Hard Rock BT makes me crazy!!! May I try, Emir?
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Nov 3 2008, 03:12 PM
It's awesome to see both new and older instructors in here - this is going to be such a cool collab!
Now I seriously need to come up with something cool...!
Posted by: Emir Hot Nov 3 2008, 03:16 PM
QUOTE (Piotr Kaczor @ Nov 3 2008, 02:10 PM)
Wow! This Hard Rock BT makes me crazy!!! May I try, Emir?
Sure Piotr, that would be great. You have 6 days left. I will put you on the list.
QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 3 2008, 02:12 PM)
It's awesome to see both new and older instructors in here - this is going to be such a cool collab!
Now I seriously need to come up with something cool...!
I agree. This is really fun.
Come on Kris we want to hear your take man
Posted by: Piotr Kaczor Nov 3 2008, 03:18 PM
QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Nov 3 2008, 03:14 PM)
Sure Piotr, that would be great. You have 6 days left. I will put you on the list.
Great Emir!
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 3 2008, 05:09 PM
Nice one Andrew!
I like the change of sound at some point that was really nice
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Nov 3 2008, 05:46 PM
Thanks Pedja!
Posted by: Emir Hot Nov 3 2008, 08:48 PM
Very interesting Kristofer. Thanks.
Posted by: Jose Mena Nov 4 2008, 03:46 AM
Here is mine.
Posted by: Emir Hot Nov 4 2008, 04:49 AM
Thank you Jose. I think you're going to have the longest comment on this I analysed every note
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 4 2008, 05:46 AM
I need to do mine soon this all sounds great !
Posted by: Jose Mena Nov 4 2008, 01:19 PM
QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Nov 3 2008, 10:49 PM)
Thank you Jose. I think you're going to have the longest comment on this
I analysed every note
I hope they are good comments, just kidding, I take criticism well, feel free to let me know of anything you think could be done better.
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Nov 4 2008, 01:27 PM
QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Nov 4 2008, 07:19 AM)
I hope they are good comments, just kidding, I take criticism well, feel free to let me know of anything you think could be done better.
Jose deserves more comments than anyone else so far as he had the most notes!
Posted by: Jose Mena Nov 4 2008, 02:10 PM
QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Nov 4 2008, 07:27 AM)
Jose deserves more comments than anyone else so far as he had the most notes!
Sorry about that, I couldn't control it, as Master Muris has said control, it is all about control.
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Nov 4 2008, 02:15 PM
QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Nov 4 2008, 08:10 AM)
Sorry about that, I couldn't control it, as Master Muris has said control, it is all about control.
That's ok - they were all cool notes - I wish I could play some of them!
Posted by: Muris Varajic Nov 5 2008, 01:11 AM
QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Nov 4 2008, 02:15 PM)
That's ok - they were all cool notes - I wish I could play some of them!
Absolutely,quality is always more important than quantity
and you did it very well Jose,like it a lot!!
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 5 2008, 01:56 AM
Jose was nailing it all the way
Loved his take
At some point I was thinking he must be a software , how do I increase the speed on this guy Haha
Awesome solo
Posted by: Jose Mena Nov 5 2008, 04:51 PM
QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Nov 4 2008, 07:56 PM)
Jose was nailing it all the way
Loved his take
At some point I was thinking he must be a software , how do I increase the speed on this guy
Haha
Awesome solo
You know recently last month's issue of the Recording Magazine, and there was an article there of a guy that uses software to create great solo performances. He was using melodyne software which I believe I have a trial version for it that came with mi Digi003, in the article he explains that he played the solo left handed (he is right handed) and corrected it using melodyne, now I am wondering how many guitar solos out there are fake.
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 5 2008, 05:17 PM
QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Nov 5 2008, 05:51 PM)
You know recently last month's issue of the Recording Magazine, and there was an article there of a guy that uses software to create great solo performances. He was using melodyne software which I believe I have a trial version for it that came with mi Digi003, in the article he explains that he played the solo left handed (he is right handed) and corrected it using melodyne, now I am wondering how many guitar solos out there are fake.
Was the guy you are reffering to Jose Mena by any chance ?
Hehe
Awesome man
I will upload my take now just finished it
Posted by: Emir Hot Nov 5 2008, 05:22 PM
QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Nov 5 2008, 03:51 PM)
You know recently last month's issue of the Recording Magazine, and there was an article there of a guy that uses software to create great solo performances. He was using melodyne software which I believe I have a trial version for it that came with mi Digi003, in the article he explains that he played the solo left handed (he is right handed) and corrected it using melodyne, now I am wondering how many guitar solos out there are fake.
I have Melodyne. I use it for vocals. If that guy played like that then he can never play live.
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 5 2008, 05:22 PM
Here is my take
I was very busy for the last week and didn't get the chance to sit down and down it.
I hope master Emir will accept this
Posted by: Emir Hot Nov 5 2008, 05:28 PM
QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Nov 5 2008, 04:22 PM)
Here is my take
I was very busy for the last week and didn't get the chance to sit down and down it.
I hope master Emir will accept this
Sure man it's accepted, well done. I am still waiting for more recordings. Only 4 days left
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 5 2008, 05:35 PM
QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Nov 5 2008, 06:28 PM)
Sure man it's accepted, well done. I am still waiting for more recordings. Only 4 days left
Thanks Emir
I was afraid I would have to do again hehe
Just kidding this was very fun never done this before on any forum !
Posted by: Jose Mena Nov 5 2008, 05:46 PM
QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Nov 5 2008, 11:22 AM)
I have Melodyne. I use it for vocals. If that guy played like that then he can never play live.
Of course he can't, that was exactly his point, that even a crappy guitar player can make an awesome solo with melodyne, so basically it is pitch correction and timing correction I guess, but I believe it would take more time to do this than to actually play something.
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Nov 5 2008, 06:52 PM
QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Nov 5 2008, 07:22 PM)
Here is my take
I was very busy for the last week and didn't get the chance to sit down and down it.
I hope master Emir will accept this
Really cool Pedja - I like the dirty/"rocky" beginning!
QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Nov 4 2008, 05:46 AM)
Here is mine.
Your picking chops are so aggressive Jose - love it!
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 5 2008, 07:17 PM
QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 5 2008, 07:52 PM)
Really cool Pedja - I like the dirty/"rocky" beginning!
Thank you Kris , didn't know how it will come out , that was second take improvised so I kept it
Posted by: Marcus Siepen Nov 6 2008, 06:22 PM
Great takes everybody, here is mine.
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Nov 6 2008, 06:55 PM
QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Nov 6 2008, 08:22 PM)
Great takes everybody, here is mine.
Killer take Marcus!
The solo is constructed as perfect build-up with lots of melody and aggressiveness!
PS I am thinking a little about installing active emgs on my RG Ibanez - your sound has an attack to it which I really like.
Posted by: Emir Hot Nov 6 2008, 07:20 PM
thank you so much Marcus. I am very happy you made it. There are a couple of more days to go, still waiting for the others.
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Nov 7 2008, 10:11 PM
Will do my take tomorrow Emir, sorry for delay mate
Posted by: Piotr Kaczor Nov 7 2008, 10:48 PM
Really great takes! Here is mine.
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Nov 7 2008, 10:48 PM
Great takes Marcus & Piotr!
Posted by: Emir Hot Nov 8 2008, 04:42 AM
QUOTE (Piotr Kaczor @ Nov 7 2008, 09:48 PM)
Really great takes! Here is mine.
Thanks
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Nov 9 2008, 12:33 AM
Here's my take Emir, sorry for the delay mate
Posted by: Emir Hot Nov 9 2008, 12:48 AM
Nice one Ivan Thanks
There are a couple of more to go, I hope they will be uploaded tomorrow.
6. Zsolt Galambos
8. Lian Gerbino
Kuba sent me a couple of private messages regarding some recording rules but I don't have him on the list as he didn't really confirm his participation. However If I get more tracks until midnight tomorrow, they will all be considered as valid so no problem for not confirming the entry on time. After I will need a couple of days to mix it and give my comments. So far great work everybody.
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 9 2008, 01:09 AM
Nice one Ivan !
Emir can't wait to hear the final mix man - this is going to be sooooo coooool
Posted by: Jose Mena Nov 9 2008, 03:29 PM
Great takes everyone, i feel tempted to comment on the solos myself, but this is Emir's collab. I'll just say, great work everyone.
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 9 2008, 04:27 PM
QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Nov 9 2008, 04:29 PM)
Great takes everyone, i feel tempted to comment on the solos myself, but this is Emir's collab. I'll just say, great work everyone.
You can always write your comments in private message!
Can't wait to hear final mix and Emir's analysis
Posted by: Zsolt Galambos Nov 10 2008, 01:09 AM
Hi all!
This is my take.
Cheers everyone
Zsolt
Posted by: Emir Hot Nov 10 2008, 01:19 AM
Cheers Zsolt
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Nov 10 2008, 09:14 AM
QUOTE (Zsolt Galambos @ Nov 10 2008, 03:09 AM)
Hi all!
This is my take.
Cheers everyone
Zsolt
Awesome Zsolt!
Posted by: Marcus Siepen Nov 10 2008, 12:27 PM
Awesome takes Ivan & Zsolt
@ Kris: Go and get the EMG's, you won't regret it
Posted by: Lian Gerbino Nov 10 2008, 09:12 PM
so, here´s my take emir, I know it´s late, but I got some problems with my guitar those days so, I´m so sorry.
if you dont have time to add my take, dont worry man, it was my fault. cya and great BT once again
Posted by: Zsolt Galambos Nov 10 2008, 09:27 PM
I've listened to all the tracks, and this is going to be a helluva good collab:D
You guys rock!
Posted by: Emir Hot Nov 10 2008, 09:36 PM
QUOTE (Lian Gerbino @ Nov 10 2008, 08:12 PM)
so, here´s my take emir, I know it´s late, but I got some problems with my guitar those days
so, I´m so sorry.
if you dont have time to add my take, dont worry man, it was my fault. cya and great BT once again
Thank you Lian. I am mixing the track now. You made it the last moment
Thanks
Posted by: Lian Gerbino Nov 10 2008, 10:28 PM
so sorry emir!!! nice to hear I´m in yet!
Posted by: Piotr Kaczor Nov 10 2008, 11:11 PM
QUOTE (Zsolt Galambos @ Nov 10 2008, 01:09 AM)
Hi all!
This is my take.
Cheers everyone
Zsolt
Wow! Zsolt!! Your take is awesome!!! This is the best take for me!! Thanks!!!
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Nov 11 2008, 11:25 PM
How's the collab going so far mate?
Posted by: Emir Hot Nov 12 2008, 04:22 AM
QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Nov 11 2008, 10:25 PM)
How's the collab going so far mate?
3 more comments to go. I am writting very long comments. More than half a page in Word for each take. Like the ones I used to have by my teachers after the exam
I think I am being really strtict but I started that way and now I have to continue
It's a very "in depth" analysis of everyone's playing. I think it is better to give some honest oppinions than just giving bunch of compliments like other normal collaborations. This way it could sound educational for other GMC members. If this wasn't instructors collaboration then I wouldn't mind easily giving nice compliments. Collaboration btw went really well. It will be done soon.
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Nov 12 2008, 11:53 AM
Nice to see you tried that much about commenting us mate, can't wait to read it
Posted by: Muris Varajic Nov 12 2008, 12:20 PM
QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Nov 12 2008, 04:22 AM)
3 more comments to go. I am writting very long comments. More than half a page in Word for each take. Like the ones I used to have by my teachers after the exam
I think I am being really strtict but I started that way and now I have to continue
It's a very "in depth" analysis of everyone's playing. I think it is better to give some honest oppinions than just giving bunch of compliments like other normal collaborations. This way it could sound educational for other GMC members. If this wasn't instructors collaboration then I wouldn't mind easily giving nice compliments. Collaboration btw went really well. It will be done soon.
Just do it without cursing as we use to do
and everything is ok.
Posted by: Marcus Siepen Nov 12 2008, 12:22 PM
Now I am even more curious
Posted by: Pedja Simovic Nov 12 2008, 12:46 PM
That will be a good read I reckon
Posted by: Emir Hot Nov 12 2008, 01:02 PM
1 more hour and I am opening a new topic with the results
Posted by: Muris Varajic Nov 12 2008, 01:09 PM
QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Nov 12 2008, 01:02 PM)
1 more hour and I am opening a new topic with the results
Man,I think you should do an ebook from it.
Joking ofc,can't wait for your in depth comments bro,way to go.
Posted by: Lian Gerbino Nov 12 2008, 02:06 PM
QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Nov 12 2008, 12:22 AM)
3 more comments to go. I am writting very long comments. More than half a page in Word for each take. Like the ones I used to have by my teachers after the exam
I think I am being really strtict but I started that way and now I have to continue
It's a very "in depth" analysis of everyone's playing. I think it is better to give some honest oppinions than just giving bunch of compliments like other normal collaborations. This way it could sound educational for other GMC members. If this wasn't instructors collaboration then I wouldn't mind easily giving nice compliments. Collaboration btw went really well. It will be done soon.
nice to hear that Emir! cant wait man
Posted by: Zsolt Galambos Nov 12 2008, 04:07 PM
QUOTE (Piotr Kaczor @ Nov 10 2008, 11:11 PM)
Wow! Zsolt!! Your take is awesome!!! This is the best take for me!! Thanks!!!
Thanx man! That's really nice to hear!
Posted by: Ian Bushell Nov 18 2008, 06:08 PM
Great playing guys! Cool backing Emir!
Really bummed i missed out on this.
Gotta go and see the results!
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